Even the best version of Linux still seems thrown together compared with BSD. Try "man diff" or "man getyx" on Linux. No answer. Now try it on BSD. Even when Linux doesn't tell you to go blow, it's still inferior. Compare "man 4 tty" on Linux and BSD, for example.
Don't you mean that the documentation is inferior? I agree that Linux' man pages are lacking but that has nothing to do with stability of the OS itself.
Each OS has it's own good and bad sides. FreeBSD is more suited as heavy traffic server, then again Linux is more suited for small businesses, since it is easier to install and easier to configure (in my own humble opinion.
Why can't everyone just get along? It's bad enough that there's so much bickering between *BSD and Linux advocates -- after all it's all Unix.
As far as I can remember for the past 3 months InterNIC has been hell on crack. Domain registrations fail, don't go through at all, are not entered into the whois database. Domain moves are a joke, I had to move 60 (yes, 60) domains from one nameserver to another. 60 update requests out of which 10 came through, about 20 returned without going through claiming incorrect information and the other 30 just vanished into a big deep black hole. It cost me 2 months to get 60 domains moved. I also had to move about 10.nl domains. Guess what? After 3 days they all went through without a hitch. Well, one returned but that was my typo:)
If you are a network administrator, then presumably you maintain a computer network so that others can do work. Why do you think that you have the right to limit their usage.
The simple answer: Because I run the damn network. The not so simple answer, let me quote you:... so that others can do work. ICQ != work. I have worked for various companies, one of which did not condone the use of the Internet for anything but looking up company related information. On the other end of the spectrum I worked for an ISP that allowed you to basically 'play' as long as it didn't interfere with your work. Meaning that sitting on ICQ is good, but better make sure you're 'n/a'.
Other than that, if you want IT personnel to do something for you, it might help to ask them nicely, and not flat out demand it and possibly threatening to go to their managers if they don't do it. The reason they are in IT and you are not is because they know a lot more about it than you do, so personally I'd say it's you who should come down off the high horse.
I'm not insulting you here, but being a network admin/sysadmin myself I see this attitude a lot, and it gets very irritating after a while. Here you are doing your best to keep a network going so that people can work, and you don't want people to install ICQ with the possible risk of spreading a virus all over the network, or maybe causing it to not function properly.
As a note, read this to get an idea of what might happen if you piss off your friendly neighbourhood sysadmin;)
Short recap for those who don't want to read the article; packetstorm posted some nice articles regarding JP's lack of ethics and JP making up most of his stories. JP wasn't pleased and threatened legal action.
Why the USA thinks they have the total power over the Internet. It's evident that nobody (meaning the dearly loved Senators, Governors and one sexcrazed President) have any *clue* as to what it is, how it works and the fact it spans the entire globe.
And here they go again.
Just something informative; the Internet (or at least it's core functionality, packet switched networks and the beginnings of the TCP/IP protocol) was invented in the UK:)
(ofcourse after liberal caffeine intake I might be mistaken...)
Movie ratings these days are *way* off the scale these days. As are the ludicrous attempts at censoring movies, denying people access and more of that fun stuff.
Practical example. This weekend I went to see SouthPark with my girlfriend and her two kids, aged 11 and 6. We got in but only after we created a scene. The usher and manager told *us* what was best for *our* kids. Fuck that, they wanted to see SouthPark, they got to see it.
Did they swear after the movie? No. Did they pull out guns and mow down the lobby? No. Did anything change? Not at all.
After that we decided that we wanted to see another movie and the kids went to watch Tarzan and my girlfriend and me went to see the Haunting. The strange part here...
SouthPark is rated R. SouthPark is animated and is so clearly an animation that you can't really get around it. the Haunting is rated PG-13, yet the images displayed in the movie were rather disturbing, now I'm not really in to horror movies but it sure as hell wasn't going to do a 13 year old any good.
Moral of the story -- I'm saving for a DVD player and the theatres can collectively decide where they want my business to go. I know for a fact that if I get trouble one more time I will never ever visit a theatre again. The only reason I do is because it's a night out, but if I have to, I'll make it a night out at home where I can decide what my family and me watch and where nobody can decide what's best for my girlfriend, her kids and me. We're all perfectly able to decide for ourselves.
(Just a sidenote -- the kids initially wanted to see the Haunting as well, but we told them that it was a rather scary movie and that we'd see it first and if we thought it was okay, we'd let them watch it next week. They're not going to see it though, and I'm pretty glad that it's my gf's and my decision and not some lame ushers' or managers' decision).
I don't do much Open Source programming, but this experience reminds me of an incident that happened a few years ago.
'twas the time of BBS's and I was a door programmer, in other words, all those nifty games and tools like that. I had created a nice door that was actually very popular, it can still be found on pcmicro.com I think.
Anyway, besides the point. What happened is that when I was at a convention (we had those:) another door programmer saw me working on an early beta version of that program. When I left my PC alone for about 1 minute (had to get a drink) he copied parts of my code without me knowing it. After he'd done that, a week later he released practically the same thing I had been working on for a few weeks, saying I was ripping him off and that I should cease writing that program.
Ofcourse that ticked me off because who'd like to see their hard work stolen and mauled? What I did to resolve that is release the full source to that door (version 1.0 too) and publicly asked the other programmer to do the same so people could compare.
The other programmer never did and made things a little worse by claiming I copied *his* code. Then I got really pissed, spent a week writing version 2.0, released that and basically smacked him upside the head with it. Since version 2.0 was a lot different than 1.0 he couldn't possibly claim I stole his code or claim it was the same program (I changed the name). He attempted to copy me again, but this time without any code he could copy he failed miserably.
I basically turned it into a contest of "may the best program win". Now this kind of solution doesn't usually work with Open Source since the source is available and everyone can make modifications but I think that the general idea when people get into a conflict as described in this feature is to just turn it into "may the best program win".
First of all: congratulations to CT and Hemos, this is a Good Thing(tm).
Second, I've seen a lot of people bitch and whine about banner ads, and/. "selling out". C'mon folks! Wake up and smell the coffee. I know I'm probably going to offend a few people here, and my apologies beforehand for that.
The reason/. has banner ads is so it could continue to exist, the reason/. is now partly under AndOver.net control is because people want it to keep existing. Does anyone here have any idea what it costs to keep/. running? Imagine for a minute, there's co-location cost for the servers, there is the cost for bandwidth, all that costs money folks, and does Rob get anything in return for that? Nope, he started this all to share something with the community, to share something with everyone. Why bitch and complain when you get something that's good and you get it for free? I don't get it, that's like getting a brand new car and bitching about the ashtray gone missing.
I think a lot of people here don't realise what it's like to literally pump money into something so you can share something with others, compare it to the 'old fashioned' BBS'es. I ran one about 4 years ago, and all I did was pump my entire allowance into it. I never made money off of it, it only cost me money. But damn that, it was fun to run it, it was fun to see over 1000 people actually using it and having 200 callers in one day. People who appreciated that there was a BBS in their area where they could hang out and discuss their favourite subjects.
I know that if I'd own an ISP (which I don't) I'd gladly donate a server and bandwidth to run a/. mirror, because first of all it's a damn good site to get your daily dose of geek news, and second of all they *deserve* it.
On a final note, I don't particularly like banner ads either, but on/. there is only one ad, at the top of the page, and all you have to do is scroll down a tiny bit and it's gone. Now for fun, go check out http://www.telegraaf.nl/ -- it's a Dutch newspaper online. Can we say banner-ad-galore?
Anyhow, my advice to the complainers: pack up your attitudes and think.
I've used Slackware for the better part of 4 years, I think since they had kernel version 1.2.13 on it, before that I used a roll-your-own distro I made with some friends.
Recently I bought a RedHat 6.0 CD. I figured it was worth a try and I wondered why everyone was always constantly bashing RedHat.
Granted, I don't particularly *like* the new way of things, but once you look at the way it's done and read some documentation, it's actually very easy to configure your system from the shell prompt.
The breaking up of say, the entire network init in a few directories with separate scripts for each interface makes my life a whole lot easier. I just have to edit one file instead of diving into rc.inet1 or rc.inet2, finding what needs changing and changing that.
And okay, RH 6 came with GNOME. I like GNOME. I used to hate it, but I've come to like the flexibility it gives me.
On the MetroWerks issue; who prevents you from downloading alien, and turning it into a slackware package? I've done it often enough and sure, sometimes it's symlink city to make things work, but aren't we forgetting that Linux=Linux=Linux no matter who distributes it? I've worked with RedHat, Slackware, Debian and SuSE, and they're all Linux. All distro's have ls, gcc, etc. -- they just have a different way of packaging things, and a different way of administrating things.
So far on my RH box, the only time I did use the control panel is when I wanted to find out what files were changed when you change the settings on your Ethernet interfaces. After that I did every change by hand, on the shell prompt.
Why do we (the Linux/OpenSource) community have to war over distributions when there is so much to be learned from the different ways these people have chosen to create the distro?
Wasn't the idea behind Linux 'free for all'? Then why bother with the trivialities of exclusive deals made by companies? What prevents you from going out, buying the RH CD with CodeWarrior on it and installing it on your Slackware box?
Before my RH 6 installation my system resembled the product of an orgy between Slack, Debian and RH. I used.deb packages, rpm packages, slackware packages, own compiled stuff, and yes, it takes time to make everything work flawlessly, but that's what I like. I like the challenge of making things work, and I really don't give a rats ass what distribution is the best, or which one has the c00lest and 3l33t toys, I just want Linux. And I want it to work. I want it to do what I want it to do, and if that means having to put up with RH signing exclusive deals, then so be it, I'm still using Linux, and I'm still making it work.
Moral of the story: Everyone STFU about the petty little distribution wars, and let's kick some ass and make Linux grow.
(Yes, I am wearing my asbestos outfit, and yes, if you bring up that RH signing exclusive deals isn't helping Linux grow, then I won't bother responding. It's time to think people...)
The biggest reason for a telco or ISP to refuse support or installation to Linux users is the fact that these sorts of decisions are made high up the hierarchy. Most managers don't know Linux, don't want to know it, and most of all still believe that Windows is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
I've worked for Compaq for a few months, and their general rule for support came down to the fact 'Linux installed on Compaq machines = no support'.
Now, I've also worked for an ISP, they started out running Linux for their servers, various people working there have made some great contributions to the open source community (the guy who wrote SysVInit works there -- hi Mike!:) and they actually *welcome* people using Linux.
There is a huge difference between a multi-million dollar cooporation and your friendly neighbourhood ISP. The main difference is management, or lack of management.
Get to the managers, you get the things done.
(I'm rambling I know, I haven't had my coffee yet).
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Even the best version of Linux still seems thrown together compared with BSD. Try "man diff" or "man getyx" on Linux. No answer. Now try it on BSD. Even when Linux doesn't tell you to go blow, it's still inferior. Compare "man 4 tty" on Linux and BSD, for example.
Don't you mean that the documentation is inferior? I agree that Linux' man pages are lacking but that has nothing to do with stability of the OS itself.
Each OS has it's own good and bad sides. FreeBSD is more suited as heavy traffic server, then again Linux is more suited for small businesses, since it is easier to install and easier to configure (in my own humble opinion.
Why can't everyone just get along? It's bad enough that there's so much bickering between *BSD and Linux advocates -- after all it's all Unix.
As far as I can remember for the past 3 months
InterNIC has been hell on crack. Domain registrations fail, don't go through at all, are
not entered into the whois database. Domain moves are a joke, I had to move 60 (yes, 60) domains from one nameserver to another. 60 update requests out of which 10 came through, about 20 returned without going through claiming incorrect information and the other 30 just vanished into
a big deep black hole. It cost me 2 months to get 60 domains moved. I also had to move about 10
If you are a network administrator, then presumably you maintain a computer network so that others can do work. Why do you think that you have the right to limit their usage.
The simple answer: Because I run the damn network. The not so simple answer, let me quote you: ... so that others can do work. ICQ != work. I have worked for various companies, one of which did not condone the use of the Internet for anything but looking up company related information. On the other end of the spectrum I worked for an ISP that allowed you to basically 'play' as long as it didn't interfere with your work. Meaning that sitting on ICQ is good, but better make sure you're 'n/a'.
Other than that, if you want IT personnel to do something for you, it might help to ask them nicely, and not flat out demand it and possibly threatening to go to their managers if they don't do it. The reason they are in IT and you are not is because they know a lot more about it than you do, so personally I'd say it's you who should come down off the high horse.
I'm not insulting you here, but being a network admin/sysadmin myself I see this attitude a lot, and it gets very irritating after a while. Here you are doing your best to keep a network going so that people can work, and you don't want people to install ICQ with the possible risk of spreading a virus all over the network, or maybe causing it to not function properly.
As a note, read this to get an idea of what might happen if you piss off your friendly neighbourhood sysadmin ;)
Short recap for those who don't want to read the article; packetstorm posted some nice articles regarding JP's lack of ethics and JP making up most of his stories. JP wasn't pleased and threatened legal action.
Check here for some more info.
Why the USA thinks they have the total power
:)
over the Internet. It's evident that nobody
(meaning the dearly loved Senators, Governors
and one sexcrazed President) have any *clue*
as to what it is, how it works and the fact
it spans the entire globe.
And here they go again.
Just something informative; the Internet (or at
least it's core functionality, packet switched
networks and the beginnings of the TCP/IP
protocol) was invented in the UK
(ofcourse after liberal caffeine intake I might
be mistaken...)
Movie ratings these days are *way* off the
scale these days. As are the ludicrous attempts
at censoring movies, denying people access
and more of that fun stuff.
Practical example. This weekend I went to see
SouthPark with my girlfriend and her two kids,
aged 11 and 6. We got in but only after we
created a scene. The usher and manager told *us*
what was best for *our* kids. Fuck that, they
wanted to see SouthPark, they got to see it.
Did they swear after the movie? No. Did they
pull out guns and mow down the lobby? No. Did
anything change? Not at all.
After that we decided that we wanted to see
another movie and the kids went to watch
Tarzan and my girlfriend and me went to see
the Haunting. The strange part here...
SouthPark is rated R. SouthPark is animated
and is so clearly an animation that you can't
really get around it. the Haunting is rated
PG-13, yet the images displayed in the movie
were rather disturbing, now I'm not really
in to horror movies but it sure as hell wasn't
going to do a 13 year old any good.
Moral of the story -- I'm saving for a DVD player
and the theatres can collectively decide where
they want my business to go. I know for a fact
that if I get trouble one more time I will never
ever visit a theatre again. The only reason
I do is because it's a night out, but if I have
to, I'll make it a night out at home where
I can decide what my family and me watch and
where nobody can decide what's best for my girlfriend, her kids and me. We're all perfectly
able to decide for ourselves.
(Just a sidenote -- the kids initially wanted
to see the Haunting as well, but we told them
that it was a rather scary movie and that we'd
see it first and if we thought it was okay,
we'd let them watch it next week. They're not
going to see it though, and I'm pretty glad
that it's my gf's and my decision and not some
lame ushers' or managers' decision).
I don't do much Open Source programming, but
:)
:)
this experience reminds me of an incident
that happened a few years ago.
'twas the time of BBS's and I was a door programmer, in other words, all those nifty
games and tools like that. I had created
a nice door that was actually very popular,
it can still be found on pcmicro.com I think.
Anyway, besides the point. What happened is
that when I was at a convention (we had those
another door programmer saw me working on
an early beta version of that program. When I
left my PC alone for about 1 minute (had to get
a drink) he copied parts of my code without
me knowing it. After he'd done that, a week
later he released practically the same thing
I had been working on for a few weeks, saying
I was ripping him off and that I should cease
writing that program.
Ofcourse that ticked me off because who'd like
to see their hard work stolen and mauled?
What I did to resolve that is release the full
source to that door (version 1.0 too) and
publicly asked the other programmer to do the
same so people could compare.
The other programmer never did and made things
a little worse by claiming I copied *his* code.
Then I got really pissed, spent a week writing
version 2.0, released that and basically
smacked him upside the head with it. Since
version 2.0 was a lot different than 1.0 he couldn't possibly claim I stole his code or
claim it was the same program (I changed the name). He attempted to copy me again, but
this time without any code he could copy he
failed miserably.
I basically turned it into a contest of "may the best program win". Now this kind of solution
doesn't usually work with Open Source since
the source is available and everyone can make
modifications but I think that the general idea
when people get into a conflict as described in
this feature is to just turn it into "may the best program win".
Just my 2 cents
First of all: congratulations to CT and Hemos, this is a Good Thing(tm).
/. "selling out". C'mon folks! Wake up and smell the coffee. I know I'm probably going to offend a few people here, and my apologies beforehand for that.
/. has banner ads is so it could continue to exist, the reason /. is now partly /. running? Imagine for a minute, there's co-location cost for the servers, there is the cost for bandwidth, all that costs money folks, and does Rob get anything in return for that? Nope, he started this all to share something with the community, to share something with everyone. Why bitch and complain when you get something that's good and you get it for free? I don't get it, that's like getting a brand new car and bitching about the ashtray gone missing.
/. mirror, because first of all it's a damn good site to get your daily dose of geek news, and second of all they *deserve* it.
/. there is only one ad, at the top of the page, and all you have to do is scroll down a tiny bit and it's gone. Now for fun, go check out http://www.telegraaf.nl/ -- it's a Dutch newspaper online. Can we say banner-ad-galore?
Second, I've seen a lot of people bitch and whine about banner ads, and
The reason
under AndOver.net control is because people want it to keep existing. Does anyone here have any idea what it costs to keep
I think a lot of people here don't realise what it's like to literally pump money into something so you can share something with others, compare it to the 'old fashioned' BBS'es. I ran one about 4 years ago, and all I did was pump my entire allowance into it. I never made money off of it, it only cost me money. But damn that, it was fun to run it, it was fun to see over 1000 people actually using it and having 200 callers in one day. People who appreciated that there was a BBS in their area where they could hang out and discuss their favourite subjects.
I know that if I'd own an ISP (which I don't) I'd gladly donate a server and bandwidth to run a
On a final note, I don't particularly like banner ads either, but on
Anyhow, my advice to the complainers: pack up your attitudes and think.
(....................................)
I've used Slackware for the better part of 4 years, I think since they had kernel version 1.2.13 on it, before that I used a roll-your-own
.deb packages, rpm packages, slackware packages, own compiled stuff, and yes, it takes time to make everything work flawlessly, but that's what I like. I like the challenge of making things work, and I really don't give a rats ass what distribution is the best, or which one has the c00lest and 3l33t toys, I just want Linux. And I want it to work. I want it to do what I want it to do, and if that means having to put up with RH signing exclusive deals, then so be it, I'm still using Linux, and I'm still making it work.
distro I made with some friends.
Recently I bought a RedHat 6.0 CD. I figured it was worth a try and I wondered why everyone was
always constantly bashing RedHat.
Granted, I don't particularly *like* the new way of things, but once you look at the way it's done and read some documentation, it's actually very easy to configure your system from the shell prompt.
The breaking up of say, the entire network init in a few directories with separate scripts for each interface makes my life a whole lot easier. I just have to edit one file instead of diving into rc.inet1 or rc.inet2, finding what needs changing
and changing that.
And okay, RH 6 came with GNOME. I like GNOME. I used to hate it, but I've come to like the flexibility it gives me.
On the MetroWerks issue; who prevents you from downloading alien, and turning it into a slackware package? I've done it often enough and sure, sometimes it's symlink city to make things work,
but aren't we forgetting that Linux=Linux=Linux no matter who distributes it? I've worked with RedHat, Slackware, Debian and SuSE, and they're all Linux. All distro's have ls, gcc, etc. -- they just have a different way of packaging things, and a different way of administrating things.
So far on my RH box, the only time I did use the control panel is when I wanted to find out what files were changed when you change the settings on your Ethernet interfaces. After that I did every change by hand, on the shell prompt.
Why do we (the Linux/OpenSource) community have to war over distributions when there is so much to be learned from the different ways these people have chosen to create the distro?
Wasn't the idea behind Linux 'free for all'?
Then why bother with the trivialities of exclusive
deals made by companies? What prevents you from going out, buying the RH CD with CodeWarrior on it and installing it on your Slackware box?
Before my RH 6 installation my system resembled the product of an orgy between Slack, Debian and RH. I used
Moral of the story: Everyone STFU about the petty little distribution wars, and let's kick some ass and make Linux grow.
(Yes, I am wearing my asbestos outfit, and yes, if you bring up that RH signing exclusive deals isn't helping Linux grow, then I won't bother responding. It's time to think people...)
Just to add some fuel to the ongoing fire :)
:) and they actually *welcome* people using Linux.
The biggest reason for a telco or ISP to refuse
support or installation to Linux users is the fact that these sorts of decisions are made high up the hierarchy. Most managers don't know Linux, don't want to know it, and most of all still believe that Windows is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
I've worked for Compaq for a few months, and their general rule for support came down to the fact 'Linux installed on Compaq machines = no support'.
Now, I've also worked for an ISP, they started out running Linux for their servers, various people working there have made some great contributions to the open source community (the guy who wrote SysVInit works there -- hi Mike!
There is a huge difference between a multi-million dollar cooporation and your friendly neighbourhood ISP. The main difference is management, or lack of management.
Get to the managers, you get the things done.
(I'm rambling I know, I haven't had my coffee yet).