It's also fully possible (and even common) that web-servers have a script that runs other loclas programs that work as they are supposed to do. But when added this external interface behavies a litte strange (for exanple running adduser of simular stuff from weba page input...) That doens't make the adduser script a remote hole...
> In the current realm of discussion, where the binary choice seems to be "local" or "remote" I would much sooner term a trojan horse attack (which is, basically, what we're talking about) to be remote.
But with that defintion of remote, all problems gets the samje class remote. Becasue fooling someone to do it is the trojan part...
Stealth isvery good ob mine layers. Doing your mission with out the enemy knowing where you are is essentional to the mine warfair idea. It the enemy knows where you have been they can know where you have layed your mines and acn quickly avoid that area.
You have to tell in what area you have put mines so that civilian crafts can navigaresafe but the area you gives out is usally a loot bigger that the actuall area that you have been possible to put mines in.
/ Anders, former conscript in the Swedish Navy, as minelayer.
With military technology I would dout that They have NT4 yet the ship is probaly still using NT3.5. (Yes I have worked as a contractor for a company making connuniction equipment for the Swedish air force, that still today uses Motorola 68xxx chips.) And we are talking about a morden et fighter.
However is one more module is loaded and this module doen't have this work around (as they say the case are) The kernel will report that it has been tainted.
The code he wrote will still be as free as the day it was released. So any other person can do the Embrade and Extend trick against the company that first tried that too.
Given that the orgininal code actually is that good and have any values to be used. Desipte what you say large good free project like X and BSD have keep free and open for many years. Small project die whet the one in the project stops working despite if it's GPL or BSD.
The big point in Java Desktop is that is isn't called Linux. There for it's not marketed as another Linux distribution, that way it can be sold to companies thet does have a strict hard managenemt policy not to use any open source products such as the unreliable Linux on any desktops. But, heck Sun a big player is comming here and is selling one of there new stuff that happens to ba somekind of Java stuff and Java we already have. (Then when everything just happes to work they might figure ut that they actually where running this Linux stuff. The big thing is that you have to talk to management using management selling language and to people on the floor using tech speek.)
This might be a good product and can be usefull, even if it isn't strictly a Windows desktop.
Depends a loot on the compiler actually, the first is almost always recogniced by the optimsation loop, so it get faster. But if naivly translated the second is usally better.
With gcc 2.95.3 i got better code from the second loop without -O2 and better code from the first loop using -O2.
And yes I peeked just to make sure that this version even for i386 worked as i knew it did on some other hardware. However in suppriced that I actually made code so that the loop was run I tought this version of gcc should have been smart enout just to make the return case in my code it was easy to figure out that the function alwas had the same result. (IBM's AIX compiler just returned 30 as the result from the function.)
>> Static typing > >Who cares? Yeah, that will fix a few errors more quickly, at compile time. But Python is much more stringent than, say, > Perl, and if you're passing in the wrong thing, it will tell you about it eventually.
The problem is just here eventuaslly, usally in tha face of the user as he did sometning that the developer didn't. (Don't get me wrong I like python allot, especially if you could use pyUnit for it. But it has some problems that it doesn't solve well.)
The problem with pyton is that you usally jhave to run all code before you find simple syntax problem fond the first secone ion languanges like perl or fot that matter C. Python is good, and nice in several ways but it's not the solution to the worlds problems./Balp
Using tabels or not I see as dependent of the dive place. In some areas it's rater easy to go down to the botton at one deep stay down there and then after wards acend to a safty stop and directly up getting something that is close to the nice square dives that the tabkles count after.
Most of my dives take a long time to decend along the botton to the dive depth. The computer take this into account, then we fiollow some kind of wall out at the deciede deep. Then we turn and coose a different deep back along the wall to end the dive slowly accedning along the bottom, getting a swimning security stop of four to five minits.
This type of dive sites wouldnt get long dive times using the PADI table. Having 13 minits when reaching 26 meters isn't that fun.
My conservative suunto (with extra conervative setting for the cold water give me arbout 5 minits more bottom time, thats a big differance. Then using this slow multilevel acents that are almost inpossible to plan with the wheel unless to have extreem good knowledge of the dive site. it's hard to do multilevel dives that way.)
They just havn't collected all of hem in camps yet so thetr could single them out, nuking your own contry is so hard to clean up afterwards.
It's sad that in someways the israelic goverment is as bad as one other goverment that is gived the blame for much evil against them. This hoever does not give the palestianis any good argument of killing random israelis. They both have to stop, and that NOW.
I'll be supprised if they counter-sue, this of several different reasons. But the first It's in Sweden. Second this is a criminal charge, it's up to the swedish authorites to find out it any crime has been done and maybe after that Routers will be draggd to court. Then with the swedish state as opponent. I sure hope that this will not be the case as this will look realy bad for the knowledge of the swedish goverment. I guess that this will end in that Crime could not be established in a year or two.
It can't work that way, there are several reasons. LGPL and GPL software dosn't in any way hinder a big company from the extend & embrace strategy. Look at Microsoft and Kerberos, NT didn't use any MIT code for kerberos it just used he same (or alomost) the same specifications.
Then HiJacking, everyone still has the original work, if there addiotions are soo good that everyone needs they well actually they might be in a situation were I think that they are entiteled to get what ever they like for that work. Maybe even the international copyright law are on the side of the work, if the additions are this big and good they are a work of there own and therefor the original copyright probaly doesn't apply to that work, it's a work by it's own.
> Looks like you have never used Visual Studio or you would know that it will work with most of the commercial version > control systems. The editor does not do mark point editing like Emacs, but thats about all it does not do out of the box.
Tes it "works" with most commerical revion system put it's a pain in the ass (I'm at the moment Coding with Visual Studio, and a clearcase base version handling. But it's not integreated and Studio has a loot of it's owbn ideas of how to use clearcase. And for that much money I does like to have a little more. The editor is not good, it's ok, it can do some simple editing but more fun stuff more advanced stuff and it fails.
The maion stuff that it fail with is.
* good macro system, (by the way as I opend the macro panel, to findout if there was any new additions that I had missed it died.) Vi has a good full working macro system. Emacs has it. All large good editor has it, but the internal studio editor does't thats a shame.
* Context Senitive Code indent, when one changes line the new line should be indented in a good way. One should be able to reindent a buffer.
Thats the two main points that hinders me from using The visual studio editor. (And NO I don't touch Emacs either, I have used that program, but it's huge and bloated. As Linus said it's not good for editing any more.)
>The GPL allows anyone to make use of GPL code, with the restriction that they must share the results with the > community. I would not consider that "heavily encumbered". I prefer that model, rather than put publicly funded > work into the public domain where m$ could take without any benefit returned to the public at large.
You only miss a pair of details, one it's only put into the community as long as that community is the GNU/GPL community. It will affect the possibilities for software to be released by a diffent and "looser" copyright. That "hardest" licence that should be used in that case should be LGPL.
Then the second part why should only parts of the nations tax payers get back? At least here in sweden the companies pays as much taxes as everyone else. Then at least I think they have equalrights to whatthe goverment puts out. O the heck I as private person should have the right to add my ideas to goverments developed software and possibly gain a good living from that, why should you then get my work for free?
Actually it sounded good until, Visual Studio.NET, Visual Studio and it's components are the WORST of tghe Worst editors and IDE's I have ever tried. Of cource vitgh a loot of work you could get a decent editor, some version handling. And a half working build system. But it still will feel like a loosly fittet eviroment of hacks around something that doesn't work.
As for Viso, I any day perfer Rose, and Rose isn't that good. And any university, or actually public funded code should have a licence close to BSD, maybe the original verision, thats is a loot better that GPL in this case, public funded code under GPL hinders that to be used in some kind of enviroments and thats bad.
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It's also fully possible (and even common) that web-servers have a script that runs other loclas programs that work as they are supposed to do. But when added this external interface behavies a litte strange (for exanple running adduser of simular stuff from weba page input...) That doens't make the adduser script a remote hole...
> In the current realm of discussion, where the binary choice seems to be "local" or "remote" I would much sooner term a trojan horse attack (which is, basically, what we're talking about) to be remote.
But with that defintion of remote, all problems gets the samje class remote. Becasue fooling someone to do it is the trojan part...
Stealth isvery good ob mine layers. Doing your mission with out the enemy knowing where you are is essentional to the mine warfair idea. It the enemy knows where you have been they can know where you have layed your mines and acn quickly avoid that area.
You have to tell in what area you have put mines so that civilian crafts can navigaresafe but the area you gives out is usally a loot bigger that the actuall area that you have been possible to put mines in.
/ Anders, former conscript in the Swedish Navy, as minelayer.
With military technology I would dout that They have NT4 yet the ship is probaly still using NT3.5. (Yes I have worked as a contractor for a company making connuniction equipment for the Swedish air force, that still today uses Motorola 68xxx chips.) And we are talking about a morden et fighter.
/ Anders
Or as stated in the readme file, note this product is spelled Netscape but is pronoced Mozilla.
/ Balp
However is one more module is loaded and this module doen't have this work around (as they say the case are) The kernel will report that it has been tainted.
/ Balp
The code he wrote will still be as free as the day it was released. So any other person can do the Embrade and Extend trick against the company that first tried that too.
Given that the orgininal code actually is that good and have any values to be used. Desipte what you say large good free project like X and BSD have keep free and open for many years. Small project die whet the one in the project stops working despite if it's GPL or BSD.
/ Balp
> Sun seems to only embrace Open Source when it can benefit from it.
That is basicly the whay that companies stayes alive, that only do stuff that they benefit from. It's one of the big basics of market economy.
/ Balp
The big point in Java Desktop is that is isn't called Linux. There for it's not marketed as another Linux distribution, that way it can be sold to companies thet does have a strict hard managenemt policy not to use any open source products such as the unreliable Linux on any desktops. But, heck Sun a big player is comming here and is selling one of there new stuff that happens to ba somekind of Java stuff and Java we already have. (Then when everything just happes to work they might figure ut that they actually where running this Linux stuff. The big thing is that you have to talk to management using management selling language and to people on the floor using tech speek.)
This might be a good product and can be usefull, even if it isn't strictly a Windows desktop.
Given that sgi didn't have any other agreement with AT&T or some other owner of the code durikng all times.
Depends a loot on the compiler actually, the first is almost always recogniced by the optimsation loop, so it get faster. But if naivly translated the second is usally better.
With gcc 2.95.3 i got better code from the second loop without -O2 and better code from the first loop using -O2.
And yes I peeked just to make sure that this version even for i386 worked as i knew it did on some other hardware. However in suppriced that I actually made code so that the loop was run I tought this version of gcc should have been smart enout just to make the return case in my code it was easy to figure out that the function alwas had the same result. (IBM's AIX compiler just returned 30 as the result from the function.)
/ Balp
FSF and GNU is only about politics with out them if would all has been free (as in freedome) not as in Chosse any colour you like as long as it's GPL.
/ Balp Killing karma...
>> Static typing
>
>Who cares? Yeah, that will fix a few errors more quickly, at compile time. But Python is much more stringent than, say,
> Perl, and if you're passing in the wrong thing, it will tell you about it eventually.
The problem is just here eventuaslly, usally in tha face of the user as he did sometning that the developer didn't. (Don't get me wrong I like python allot, especially if you could use pyUnit for it. But it has some problems that it doesn't solve well.)
The problem with pyton is that you usally jhave to run all code before you find simple syntax problem fond the first secone ion languanges like perl or fot that matter C. Python is good, and nice in several ways but it's not the solution to the worlds problems. /Balp
tika:balp$ cd /usr/ports/finance/gnucash; /usr/ports/finance/gnucash: No such file or directory</tt>
bash: cd:
Looks like I don't have a such port yet...
OpenBSD tika.arnholm.nu 3.3 GENERIC#44 i386
Using tabels or not I see as dependent of the dive place. In some areas it's rater easy to go down to the botton at one deep stay down there and then after wards acend to a safty stop and directly up getting something that is close to the nice square dives that the tabkles count after.
Most of my dives take a long time to decend along the botton to the dive depth. The computer take this into account, then we fiollow some kind of wall out at the deciede deep. Then we turn and coose a different deep back along the wall to end the dive slowly accedning along the bottom, getting a swimning security stop of four to five minits.
This type of dive sites wouldnt get long dive times using the PADI table. Having 13 minits when reaching 26 meters isn't that fun.
My conservative suunto (with extra conervative setting for the cold water give me arbout 5 minits more bottom time, thats a big differance. Then using this slow multilevel acents that are almost inpossible to plan with the wheel unless to have extreem good knowledge of the dive site. it's hard to do multilevel dives that way.)
They just havn't collected all of hem in camps yet so thetr could single them out, nuking your own contry is so hard to clean up afterwards.
It's sad that in someways the israelic goverment is as bad as one other goverment that is gived the blame for much evil against them. This hoever does not give the palestianis any good argument of killing random israelis. They both have to stop, and that NOW.
Might be a good way to stop wars :)
I'll be supprised if they counter-sue, this of several different reasons. But the first It's in Sweden. Second this is a criminal charge, it's up to the swedish authorites to find out it any crime has been done and maybe after that Routers will be draggd to court. Then with the swedish state as opponent. I sure hope that this will not be the case as this will look realy bad for the knowledge of the swedish goverment. I guess that this will end in that Crime could not be established in a year or two.
It can't work that way, there are several reasons. LGPL and GPL software dosn't in any way hinder a big company from the extend & embrace strategy. Look at Microsoft and Kerberos, NT didn't use any MIT code for kerberos it just used he same (or alomost) the same specifications.
Then HiJacking, everyone still has the original work, if there addiotions are soo good that everyone needs they well actually they might be in a situation were I think that they are entiteled to get what ever they like for that work. Maybe even the international copyright law are on the side of the work, if the additions are this big and good they are a work of there own and therefor the original copyright probaly doesn't apply to that work, it's a work by it's own.
And remenber that that was without touching or using the code from MIT so licencing had nothing to do with that.
BalpBBS 2:205/504.0 /Balp in the same status...
> Looks like you have never used Visual Studio or you would know that it will work with most of the commercial version
> control systems. The editor does not do mark point editing like Emacs, but thats about all it does not do out of the box.
Tes it "works" with most commerical revion system put it's a pain in the ass (I'm at the moment Coding with Visual Studio, and a clearcase base version handling. But it's not integreated and Studio has a loot of it's owbn ideas of how to use clearcase. And for that much money I does like to have a little more. The editor is not good, it's ok, it can do some simple editing but more fun stuff more advanced stuff and it fails.
The maion stuff that it fail with is.
* good macro system, (by the way as I opend the macro panel, to findout if there was any new additions that I had missed it died.) Vi has a good full working macro system. Emacs has it. All large good editor has it, but the internal studio editor does't thats a shame.
* Context Senitive Code indent, when one changes line the new line should be indented in a good way. One should be able to reindent a buffer.
Thats the two main points that hinders me from using The visual studio editor. (And NO I don't touch Emacs either, I have used that program, but it's huge and bloated. As Linus said it's not good for editing any more.)
>The GPL allows anyone to make use of GPL code, with the restriction that they must share the results with the
> community. I would not consider that "heavily encumbered". I prefer that model, rather than put publicly funded
> work into the public domain where m$ could take without any benefit returned to the public at large.
You only miss a pair of details, one it's only put into the community as long as that community is the GNU/GPL community. It will affect the possibilities for software to be released by a diffent and "looser" copyright. That "hardest" licence that should be used in that case should be LGPL.
Then the second part why should only parts of the nations tax payers get back? At least here in sweden the companies pays as much taxes as everyone else. Then at least I think they have equalrights to whatthe goverment puts out. O the heck I as private person should have the right to add my ideas to goverments developed software and possibly gain a good living from that, why should you then get my work for free?
Actually it sounded good until, Visual Studio .NET, Visual Studio and it's components are the WORST of tghe Worst editors and IDE's I have ever tried. Of cource vitgh a loot of work you could get a decent editor, some version handling. And a half working build system. But it still will feel like a loosly fittet eviroment of hacks around something that doesn't work.
As for Viso, I any day perfer Rose, and Rose isn't that good. And any university, or actually public funded code should have a licence close to BSD, maybe the original verision, thats is a loot better that GPL in this case, public funded code under GPL hinders that to be used in some kind of enviroments and thats bad.