Almighty Google and som nice guessing that Boulder isn't the biggest city in the world. Did get some nice pictures of the Thielen family, or at least the cilden in that family and yes they where white. So the question is still valid. What if she was black, whould anyone dared to remove her project?
Actually I see that they have a point. I does actually think that using someting like the BSD licence is better at all for software paided by tax money. Actually thats where the BSD licence started. The BSD licencfe gives everyone the right to at the same level pick up what was created with tax money and start from that point. Then do WHAT ever they like with what the goverment created. I one likes to earn money on the additions, fine, I one likes ti add them into *BSD, fine, if one likes to add it to Linux, fine. But in the situation of GPLed code only the last is a possible option. Then the goverment gives GPL licenced software an advantage over the rest and thats almost as unfair as giving it to a software company only.
> The guy made an effort NOT to bully an Open Source group. He didn't send threatening lawyer letters. He asked people to be
> reasonable. Quite frankly, you're going to lose BADLY in a court of law, because not only is there the possibility of confusion, but
> there is DOCUMENTED confusion.
You mean being polite as when you don't recive a letter saing that you give up all your clames sand a letter to the open public trying to state that please do it. The letter form the lawyer deamanded an answer before the letter to the mailinglist was sent. I think this is a real nice way of saying it and being polite. (And yes it was a thretening lawyer letter first... Then he changed...) In my optionon Tatu has been lower over the years, when he first released ssh (I had ssh as replacement for rsh since about version 1.2.20, and for almost all logins since 1.2.14. thats is since around 95) in the begining I saw his as a good guy amied in making the internet a more secure place, then he has swifted more and more to making money. Actually I don't have anything against geting payed and gaining from your products, but keep that on a nice way.
I think that he by him self is doing his best too loose money as he and SSH Comunications Security, as they tries to force all users the hard way over to SSH 2. SSH 2 is no longer free of use, that means that the step costed money for the most users, individuals and non-profit organizations. The ssh using community was quite irritated by this and most servers still are running SSH1 protocol. (This versions are soon to be removed from ftp.ssh.com). So instead of helping users to get the better protocol he has slowed that step. Now with OpenSSH the step from SSH1 to SSH2 is possible to make without upgrading ALL servers and clients at the same time. A loot easyer.
> I believe it was British Telecom who held the trademark for the "Yellow Pages" name,
> and Sun was forced to change the name of their product. Did it cause confusion for the user?
> Maybe some initially, while people got acclimated to the new name in documentation,
Yes, it confuses users and does so still today, usally the original version is called yp in day to day talk along users and the new version (nis+) is called nis by the users. There exists a loot of persons that don't know of this as sais nis when they med yp and don't know what yp is.
Now, is this stops OpenSSH from finding a better name is a bifferent story.
If I need to get the code difference I use diff either on the OpenBSD source tree of the debian source tree. But when there comesa security hole it's usally a note on what OS the hole works on. If a patchg exists the time to find out if one need to add the patch is usally very small. (Actually it's selldom upgrade to this new version that has this fix and all this new features...)
Why in OpenBSD on my Debian system a loot of the code has patches to make them work nice with the rest of the operations system. And when SOMEONE find a problem in the code I still have to find out if that applies to my distribution. Usally I do the by keeping track of the Debian mailling lists. As i do for OpenBSD.
/ Balp, yes and the perlversion i Debian still shows as 5.6.0 last time i tried perl -v
To be honset I stil by my games at the local stores and THERE I have not yet seen ONE signle Linux game. As long as one have to look for where to find the games, no sells. It's easyer to dual boot. (That is also why Macgames sell more, there are some space in the store for the mac games).
I guess Loki has to work on there retailers arounf the world to get them display ALL Linux games i at least large store in every major city.
All of that story is on Theos home page, it was NetBSD he started to port to those card if I follow the strorry correctly. But in the end it became OpenBSD of it. (He has a long story about the NetBSD - OpenBSD split on his personal page.)
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> But their is much software where, the often repeated statement, "RAM is cheap", pops up. Even in Linux. I find the whole
> situation disgusting myself. One should not justify not thinking fully through a program with this qualification. Clever
> algorithems, thoughtfull code, and interesting tricks are no longer allowed.
You are somewhat wrong, but when it comes to the interesting tricks part I hope that is still is and will stay out of most code. Especially fro the desktop or server enviroment. Using this kond ofcoding usally makes it realy hard for the next programet to come in and work with the code. This leads to buggy software that does things one could not expect.
Then the next problem is that puting to much work into the details tend to cost more time, and time is almost always the critical componect in developing. A loot of the size also comed from the graphics needed, nice graphics takes a loot of space and are needed in most products of today.
> The people who get turned off by RMS are those
> who listen to how he says his message, not what
> the message is.
That is not eneterly true, RMS's message is i.m.h.o aloot of the problems in the OSS comunity comes from RMS and his descrition of free. I admit that it sounds great, but I personally think that his free is as free as when Henry Ford said you can have it in any color as long as it's black. RMS has a definition of free as it's free as long as freedom is GPL.
I know a loot of pepole that get turn away from RMS and FSF just becase that don't share that idea of freedom. I like to thing as freedom that everyone could do what they like to do. I also think that credit due where credit goes are great.
Secure system does not mean closed system. In almost every case the read permissions on the home directory does not have any effect on the security of the site. It actulla ofter gives more security problems not having the home directories readable for uther users that not having them readable.
> Come on folks, say it with me now: The correct
> thing to do is set umask 077 and chmod -R 700/home.
No way the correct security way is to have the hom chmoded 755 and the umask att 022 (or maybe 002, depening on your policy). Ofcource if you have no cooperation between your users and like web-servers, mail-servers and so on to run as root that maybe you should look down the security. But generaly I think that the gains by not having all the deamons with root permission wins aloot over having the directories locked down. That only give a safe privvacy feeling.
There has been aloot od this type of "flamewars" on the OpenBSD mailinglists too. Does different permissions on the users homes directories make any additional security?
In the end it comes down to if policy of the site. What kind of information does one handle. How bad is it for the other users to find out the information. One sould also be aware that not haing the other group being able to read a users home-directory does force some services to run as root. To beable to access files of a user. Proceses that doesn't need to be root at all. For excapme web-servers (public_html, well actually a +x on the home and rx on the web directory is needed.), and mail deamons (.forward,.procmailrc). I personally think this make more potensional security holes that the minor privacy problem with deafult having files accessable to other users. THIS is merly a problem of INFORMING the users about the policy.
Unix tradition is that the home is open, that you may create locked rooms in side you home.
One thing that is needed for this is that the users actually look for security holes. Open source alone is no garantiie for anything. Most applications for Linux does not get any security revue.
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But then NO ONE would like to get DVD players if there was no movies released. We have a digital tv-network here in Sweden, I don't know how it is today, but after have being online for about a year they only had about 500 costumers. The main reason was that there was no TV chanels broadcasting. So even if a loot of costumers liked to get more TV chanells where cable-tv was not possible that didn't only work to make this possible. The movie companies clould have killed DVD by not releasing any movies in that format. Then maybe later there could come something other whith a new format, maybe having a loot better encryption. That would mabe the "digital" movies appear.
That realy depend on where in the world you are, I'm not an expert on the laws but I'm pretty shure that here in Sweden you are allowed to make copies for your own personal use, and to share this copies with your closest family, maybe even your closest friends (I dont remenber that part clearly) the only exection from this is Computerprograms. Programes you could not share with your family, but you are allowed to make copies for your own personal use.
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Almighty Google and som nice guessing that Boulder isn't the biggest city in the world. Did get some nice pictures of the Thielen family, or at least the cilden in that family and yes they where white. So the question is still valid. What if she was black, whould anyone dared to remove her project?
/ Balp
Actually I see that they have a point. I does actually think that using someting like the BSD licence is better at all for software paided by tax money. Actually thats where the BSD licence started. The BSD licencfe gives everyone the right to at the same level pick up what was created with tax money and start from that point. Then do WHAT ever they like with what the goverment created. I one likes to earn money on the additions, fine, I one likes ti add them into *BSD, fine, if one likes to add it to Linux, fine. But in the situation of GPLed code only the last is a possible option. Then the goverment gives GPL licenced software an advantage over the rest and thats almost as unfair as giving it to a software company only.
> How often do you see Torvalds or Alan Cox say "we must get rid of closed source software!"
No, that comment always comes from RMS.
/ Balp
> The guy made an effort NOT to bully an Open Source group. He didn't send threatening lawyer letters. He asked people to be
> reasonable. Quite frankly, you're going to lose BADLY in a court of law, because not only is there the possibility of confusion, but
> there is DOCUMENTED confusion.
You mean being polite as when you don't recive a letter saing that you give up all your clames sand a letter to the open public trying to state that please do it. The letter form the lawyer deamanded an answer before the letter to the mailinglist was sent. I think this is a real nice way of saying it and being polite. (And yes it was a thretening lawyer letter first... Then he changed...) In my optionon Tatu has been lower over the years, when he first released ssh (I had ssh as replacement for rsh since about version 1.2.20, and for almost all logins since 1.2.14. thats is since around 95) in the begining I saw his as a good guy amied in making the internet a more secure place, then he has swifted more and more to making money. Actually I don't have anything against geting payed and gaining from your products, but keep that on a nice way.
I think that he by him self is doing his best too loose money as he and SSH Comunications Security, as they tries to force all users the hard way over to SSH 2. SSH 2 is no longer free of use, that means that the step costed money for the most users, individuals and non-profit organizations. The ssh using community was quite irritated by this and most servers still are running SSH1 protocol. (This versions are soon to be removed from ftp.ssh.com). So instead of helping users to get the better protocol he has slowed that step. Now with OpenSSH the step from SSH1 to SSH2 is possible to make without upgrading ALL servers and clients at the same time. A loot easyer.
/ Balp
> I believe it was British Telecom who held the trademark for the "Yellow Pages" name,
> and Sun was forced to change the name of their product. Did it cause confusion for the user?
> Maybe some initially, while people got acclimated to the new name in documentation,
Yes, it confuses users and does so still today, usally the original version is called yp in day to day talk along users and the new version (nis+) is called nis by the users. There exists a loot of persons that don't know of this as sais nis when they med yp and don't know what yp is.
Now, is this stops OpenSSH from finding a better name is a bifferent story.
If if had anything to with GNU that might be possible. Now it's Free real free software as in BSD licenced.
There is already a version of SSH that is called ossh it's availible from ftp://ftp.pdc.kth.se/pub/krypto/ossh/.
The out cource one could wounder about other SSH versions as ttssh, java-ssh, NiftyTelnet SSH.
/ Balp
At least HTML 2.0 is a ISO standard...
It shure gives a good argument for Open Source in security critcal locations. What if the same exists in Exchange or ISS?
If bBrland could have it, why not Oracle, Sun, IBM? (Well to be honest you could get the source for Solaris from Sun.)
/ Balp
Not realy, if going to sports, comparing with boxing of Ju-Jutsu that train will give a better view.
Question:
How do I became a good refeeree?
Answer:
I suppose the best tip is to go a loot of fights.
(Even thous one could wonder if this fits to boxing.)
/ Balp
You probably could use GPL is you like to on modified BSD-copyright code. But I don't think it's right to take away the users rights like that...
For OpenBSD i have this source:
* http://www.se.openbsd.org/security.html
And maybe this page:
* http://www.se.openbsd.org/plus.html
For Debian I have:
* http://www.debian.org/security/
If I need to get the code difference I use diff either on the OpenBSD source tree of the debian source tree. But when there comesa security hole it's usally a note on what OS the hole works on. If a patchg exists the time to find out if one need to add the patch is usally very small. (Actually it's selldom upgrade to this new version that has this fix and all this new features...)
Why in OpenBSD on my Debian system a loot of the code has patches to make them work nice with the rest of the operations system. And when SOMEONE find a problem in the code I still have to find out if that applies to my distribution. Usally I do the by keeping track of the Debian mailling lists. As i do for OpenBSD.
/ Balp, yes and the perlversion i Debian still shows as 5.6.0 last time i tried perl -v
To be honset I stil by my games at the local stores and THERE I have not yet seen ONE signle Linux game. As long as one have to look for where to find the games, no sells. It's easyer to dual boot. (That is also why Macgames sell more, there are some space in the store for the mac games).
I guess Loki has to work on there retailers arounf the world to get them display ALL Linux games i at least large store in every major city.
/ Balp
All of that story is on Theos home page, it was NetBSD he started to port to those card if I follow the strorry correctly. But in the end it became OpenBSD of it. (He has a long story about the NetBSD - OpenBSD split on his personal page.)
> But their is much software where, the often repeated statement, "RAM is cheap", pops up. Even in Linux. I find the whole
> situation disgusting myself. One should not justify not thinking fully through a program with this qualification. Clever
> algorithems, thoughtfull code, and interesting tricks are no longer allowed.
You are somewhat wrong, but when it comes to the interesting tricks part I hope that is still is and will stay out of most code. Especially fro the desktop or server enviroment. Using this kond ofcoding usally makes it realy hard for the next programet to come in and work with the code. This leads to buggy software that does things one could not expect.
Then the next problem is that puting to much work into the details tend to cost more time, and time is almost always the critical componect in developing. A loot of the size also comed from the graphics needed, nice graphics takes a loot of space and are needed in most products of today.
> The people who get turned off by RMS are those
> who listen to how he says his message, not what
> the message is.
That is not eneterly true, RMS's message is i.m.h.o aloot of the problems in the OSS comunity comes from RMS and his descrition of free. I admit that it sounds great, but I personally think that his free is as free as when Henry Ford said you can have it in any color as long as it's black. RMS has a definition of free as it's free as long as freedom is GPL.
I know a loot of pepole that get turn away from RMS and FSF just becase that don't share that idea of freedom. I like to thing as freedom that everyone could do what they like to do. I also think that credit due where credit goes are great.
(Sorry but english isn't native to me...)
Secure system does not mean closed system. In almost every case the read permissions on the home directory does not have any effect on the security of the site. It actulla ofter gives more security problems not having the home directories readable for uther users that not having them readable.
> Right. So let's screw all the newbies, then tell them they should have known better.
The security downside of a harder home-directory protection may actually well be bigger that the small gains.
Wrong your home-work is man 1 chmod
(Hint: It doesn't change the owner of the files.)
/ Balp
> Come on folks, say it with me now: The correct
> thing to do is set umask 077 and chmod -R 700/home.
No way the correct security way is to have the hom chmoded 755 and the umask att 022 (or maybe 002, depening on your policy). Ofcource if you have no cooperation between your users and like web-servers, mail-servers and so on to run as root that maybe you should look down the security. But generaly I think that the gains by not having all the deamons with root permission wins aloot over having the directories locked down. That only give a safe privvacy feeling.
/ Balp
There has been aloot od this type of "flamewars" on the OpenBSD mailinglists too. Does different permissions on the users homes directories make any additional security?
.procmailrc). I personally think this make more potensional security holes that the minor privacy problem with deafult having files accessable to other users. THIS is merly a problem of INFORMING the users about the policy.
In the end it comes down to if policy of the site. What kind of information does one handle. How bad is it for the other users to find out the information. One sould also be aware that not haing the other group being able to read a users home-directory does force some services to run as root. To beable to access files of a user. Proceses that doesn't need to be root at all. For excapme web-servers (public_html, well actually a +x on the home and rx on the web directory is needed.), and mail deamons (.forward,
Unix tradition is that the home is open, that you may create locked rooms in side you home.
/Balp
One thing that is needed for this is that the users actually look for security holes. Open source alone is no garantiie for anything. Most applications for Linux does not get any security revue.
But then NO ONE would like to get DVD players if there was no movies released. We have a digital tv-network here in Sweden, I don't know how it is today, but after have being online for about a year they only had about 500 costumers. The main reason was that there was no TV chanels broadcasting. So even if a loot of costumers liked to get more TV chanells where cable-tv was not possible that didn't only work to make this possible. The movie companies clould have killed DVD by not releasing any movies in that format. Then maybe later there could come something other whith a new format, maybe having a loot better encryption. That would mabe the "digital" movies appear.
That realy depend on where in the world you are, I'm not an expert on the laws but I'm pretty shure that here in Sweden you are allowed to make copies for your own personal use, and to share this copies with your closest family, maybe even your closest friends (I dont remenber that part clearly) the only exection from this is Computerprograms. Programes you could not share with your family, but you are allowed to make copies for your own personal use.