Looks like there will be many new places for PalmOS with this new platform. A loot more hardware is using ARM today than old 68k so support for PalmOS may be to use on this devices. The only question is if there will be both 68k and ARM applications for download, or if one version will work on both processors.
You just miss one little point, most users use there internet connection the same time. If you look at private costumers the big rate is between 17:00 and 20:00 (at least in sweden). So during this time you will have almost all users online the same time. So to give a decent service you have to provide bandwith for say about 40% of your users at the same time downloading. Then during the rest of the day when almost nobody uses the line the power-users could get a loot of downloads whith out disturubing any other custumers. Then I don't think it's fair to chare a loot more as the need for higher band with isn't the power user him self but other users.
But then users that only use the "extra" capasity that isn't used bu most users in out home network (the community where I lives) most users and most bandwidth are consumed between 17:00 and 21:00. Even if more and more are being spread out during the day.
This means that to have capasity for this time when most users are online we need a loot bigger line. Now some users could use the capasity when noone else is online, and actually evn if they personaly cames up to ten, twenty or thirty times thes normal users, I still don't think thats it's gets fear if they should pay more than the rest.
Seems like everything that modifies the kernel is banned from being a port. Main reason seams top be that today there is not possibility to biuld a packet of a shuch port that chould be installed on other hosts.
> If you want to comment and spend hours drawing Visio diagrams, fine. Wait until after the product is released to do
> this. These do not accomplish the goal (see point #1).
Actually paining drawing and whiteboards are good tools in discssing problems with other programers. Before juming into around 30000 or 300000 rows of code a good drawing in maybe Visio is realy nice. You know a picture sais more that 1000 words.
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> They're finally employing a technological solution to a technological problem.
But the problem is that this is NOT a technological problem, this is a social problem. People has always wanted and copied music. In the early days one needed to be able to play one self to "copy" the tunes of one other musican. Then came the music technology, and we have useded it since then to copy music.
It the copy is on tape from the radio as was very common a couple of year back or on digital files over the internet dosn't realy matter it's the same. It's a social problem, the main problem is when does the music get worth the pricetag. Actually most people like to give a contribution to the creators if they like the work. Thats why street musicans could survive. But not necessary like to pay the money in the form that currently in use by the music indistry.
The blame should actually be on the one responclibe for the selection of infra stucture, and as this usally is the boss, the boss woun't fire the boss for this kind of matters.
Then get better consultants, It took me about 1 hour to analyse the threat (reading the realated bulletins) and adding a security wall to make shure that this little virus didn't use me as a middle part for distribution.
At the moemnt around 200 different nimda affected hosts has tried to infect our system. Still no loss, I don't count this hour as extra cost as it's a part of the work.
The problem is that IBM advertacment didn't YET fell thou th be understood by the bosses. "And who is responcible for all of this working toghter?" (I don't know if that is used in any other contry that here in sweden but as it is in english I assume that thet use it worldwide.)
So you men in GPL you could just remove the copyright and insert a new own one? That is what happend here, that this is illegal is the fundation that GPL stands on.
Well actually al least NT is HARD to secure, I have been working with this form some years before I got to fustrated and left of the nice stabile Unix world again. Installing NT and securing the box is actually pretty easy, well it takes a loot more time that the same work with OpenBSD but...
As every installation needs software, yet it does saidly but thats true. We soon run into problems with the NT enviroment as almost every program assuems that it's running in a Windows 9x enviroment it also assumes that it could write anyware on c:. It dosn't care about looking for the nice multiuser features of NT, I can write to C:\WINDOWS\MyConfig.dat without problems. (or maybe C:\Program Files\MyApp\Config.cfg, this is nice and works in a simple singeluser enviroment or maybe on a trused server looked in a nice server room. But actually we have computers standing on the desktop of users, and some of them may even be used by several persons.
Securing a NT machine produces bugs in software packages as office to be exposed. It take a loot more effort to secure the applications in Windows that in the unix world (most Unix developers are developing where they don't have root access to any disk, that is not the case of windows developers.)
Yes I think that the rest off the world envy the US all the time, it's high crime rate, it's big economic differnce. There is a loot in the US that the rest of the world could envy.
I think there are good resons to think badly of the people that killed your family and friends. US politics as well as terorist has done this. If the US now goes out and bombs away aloot of pepople someware for being close to the terroist the big message that will be sent out is that hate is OK and killing is accepted. There IS NEED for understanding at this moment, killing will not get back the lives of anybody. So there is NO reason till kill more...
In history no goverment so far has been able to stop pepople from talking privatly and disusing things that the goverment doen't like. Be int criminal actions or rebellion. Why shuold they succseed this time. It you had read the talks about steddetect that you sould also have camed to the end where all problems are discussed. There are a loot of flase reports from steddetect, if you only need to send small ammount of natural langunage it will be nerly inpossible too find it on the internet especially is one doen't like the information to be found.
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I'm not shure that the vitims of the US misses think the same. In the rest of the world, at large parts everything wasn't so bad and evil in communism as it is in the US I have heard a loot of pepople in Estern Germany that sometimes like to have the communism back because pepople where more human against each other as they had one common enemy (the goverment) that now. This not to be read as communism is good, becaus it isn't but there are always two sides of a coin. Nothinbg is pure evil and nothing is pure good.
There is nothing that counts as a good reason for that terorism. But then I don't think there is anything that counts as good reasons for the violence in Israel either (or any other place in the world at the moment).
> Correct, the GPL does impose a restriction. That restriction is that you may not impose that
> any restrictions upon code based on that code.
Or you can't remove any restrictions, i.e. I can't say that anyone that does redistribute only an unmodified binary of the code only has to give instructions of where to get the source code. And don't have to make the redistribution them selfs. There are a loot of restrictions in the GPL some that might be good some that are less well working. (I see no reason too keep a copy of the source tree availble for tree years if you give avaon a compiled emacs). In strict terms the GPL may force you to do this (or atlest make shure that you can get that code).
I have done a loot of coding with Code Review, and I don't find that it works. I find that there are two main reasons for this.
One, it takes time. If you have reviews when a part of function of the code begins to get ready. (Actually there seldom are any idea before this.) There is a loto of code for the reviewes to look into, so they have to spend aloot of time to prepare and try to understand what the code is about. Then they tend to miss a loot as the time is limited.
Two, it usally comes down to a find over coding style. You have missindented that paragraph. Why dosn't you break the line there and so on. This usally while the "problems" remain. Reviews other don't like to complain when they don't understand the code, it could look as they are stupid on the meeting. And the code wither does always depend his way on the meeting. I did it right, (and I don't like to go back and fix those minor details, even if they are wrong.)
With the real pair programing you does the review all the timne and you get a possitive competision, and a nice feeling. It gets fun to code, you don't have to defend you self, you don't have to spend a loooong time trying to understand what the HEEELL is this.
I guess you missed the XP idea, the XP idea is thay you and me as good programers could develop better software in a way that is fun to work in. Not HAVING to fill into the rigid hard wall that defines all other programing modela I have seen i real work. While we still could deliver something that works. For an example if i work two weeks on a problem, (being a hard one). Does all the unit testing, it works, it gets delivers bu the deadline, i enters verification. Then one or two or maybe four months later. I get a bug report on that old code, it's not fun to go back and make a minor change. And maybe that it was a minor special case that got a in the test. I didn't see it that and it took me a week to get back into that part of the code and twwek the unittest so that I could reproduce the error with in a controlled enviroment. If I have to that to many times I get borde and don't think the project is fun any more, then I leave, and soon there are only the ones that can't leave that has to fix all the uppcoming bugs. It never gets good and you can't be prod that you where in that project.
On the other end, in XP, my buddy whould have asked me why does you use there. I have to look at it, and finds the problem at once. I'm also pretty shure that when i "make test" everything works.
I does understand your worries, I first fouthe the same, and coding still is an art. Thats why XP could work and other metods are hard to get result from.
XP is shortly, do whats gives good code and do it a loot!
But if is is a "mere aggregation" then maybe it dosn't forefills the requirements as needed to recive copyright. At least in Sweden, there is a need for originality (i guess thats the right word) i.e. a hello-world program does not recive copyright. Must other contries has someting simular to that. But I don't know if this distinction has ever been tested.
The we have the simularites beteen the layout of the cd and the typograhical work in a book. The typographical work is clearly copyrigthed, but is the cd layout (as the mere iso immage) I don't know if this ever has been tested eigther. There are some differenced in the electronic world.
As long as you know that they havn't added anything to there distributions that is coverd by an other licence that GPL that dosn't give you that right. They might have there own installscripts that don't is GPL'ed or something then you are might be breaking there rights.
> The distribution itself is copyrighted, it is a
> particular form in which other material is
> presented
In my interpeation of the GPL the combined work (i.e. the distribution) has to be GPL:ed as well. But that is not shure. OpenBSD uses this distinction between software and distribution layout to keep iso images away.
On the other side, by just putting one single program that isn't GPL:ed and with a stricter licence they are fully in there right to make shure that there iso imanges dosn't get spread. You can take everything from the iso immage and remake a new iso image without that software. Bur then you got your own distriution.
> So you think it's fair that they have your work, and you don't have their work?
Yes, you gave away your code, you did put it up for the use, you still have your things. How anyone else does are up to them and decide, thats freedom. Of cource I may ask them do do as I did but thats a other story.
>> What is the point of a library you can't use because of licensing issues? How is that free?
>
> I write GPL'ed software. Others write BSD'ed software. It's free for us. Join us. If you don't like that, I'm sure there's a
>commercial library that will let you license it for money rather than freedom.
The main problem is not that anyone uses GPL, the problem i.m.h.o. is the use of free as a word for describing GPLed software. GPL is actuallt much less free than most other software. GPL is a restrictive licence, the goal of GPL is to make shure that every user can study, change, and redistribute the software that they use. Not that they are free.
I feel that the resrictions that GPL puts on deriveted work is strange and hard to understand. I i find a problem in a software I must have the freedom to do what I like with that knowleedge. to some extent I can do a loot but I can't sell the binary or the fix. I can sell an step by step instruction of who to correct the error, and I could probably put what ever restrictions I like on these instructions. (As if you can't sell or give away there instuctions.) But IF i make this as a patch THEN suddenly I have to choose the GPL licence for my patch.
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Looks like there will be many new places for PalmOS with this new platform. A loot more hardware is using ARM today than old 68k so support for PalmOS may be to use on this devices. The only question is if there will be both 68k and ARM applications for download, or if one version will work on both processors.
You just miss one little point, most users use there internet connection the same time. If you look at private costumers the big rate is between 17:00 and 20:00 (at least in sweden). So during this time you will have almost all users online the same time. So to give a decent service you have to provide bandwith for say about 40% of your users at the same time downloading. Then during the rest of the day when almost nobody uses the line the power-users could get a loot of downloads whith out disturubing any other custumers. Then I don't think it's fair to chare a loot more as the need for higher band with isn't the power user him self but other users.
/ Balp
But then users that only use the "extra" capasity that isn't used bu most users in out home network (the community where I lives) most users and most bandwidth are consumed between 17:00 and 21:00. Even if more and more are being spread out during the day.
This means that to have capasity for this time when most users are online we need a loot bigger line. Now some users could use the capasity when noone else is online, and actually evn if they personaly cames up to ten, twenty or thirty times thes normal users, I still don't think thats it's gets fear if they should pay more than the rest.
> mkisofs -b floppy30.fs -c boot.catalog -R -o obsd.iso obsd30
You could een better use the cdrom30.fs, and there are bootable iso from OpenBSD on the net. Just that that isn't Offical OpenBSD images.
Seems like everything that modifies the kernel is banned from being a port. Main reason seams top be that today there is not possibility to biuld a packet of a shuch port that chould be installed on other hosts.
1000 employees, 2 days lost work @ 40/hr = 640000
Or a lost contract some more dollars, the need is a good risk summary and a note of the costs.
> If you want to comment and spend hours drawing Visio diagrams, fine. Wait until after the product is released to do
> this. These do not accomplish the goal (see point #1).
Actually paining drawing and whiteboards are good tools in discssing problems with other programers. Before juming into around 30000 or 300000 rows of code a good drawing in maybe Visio is realy nice. You know a picture sais more that 1000 words.
> They're finally employing a technological solution to a technological problem.
But the problem is that this is NOT a technological problem, this is a social problem. People has always wanted and copied music. In the early days one needed to be able to play one self to "copy" the tunes of one other musican. Then came the music technology, and we have useded it since then to copy music.
It the copy is on tape from the radio as was very common a couple of year back or on digital files over the internet dosn't realy matter it's the same. It's a social problem, the main problem is when does the music get worth the pricetag. Actually most people like to give a contribution to the creators if they like the work. Thats why street musicans could survive. But not necessary like to pay the money in the form that currently in use by the music indistry.
> why the hell are sysadmins any different?
The blame should actually be on the one responclibe for the selection of infra stucture, and as this usally is the boss, the boss woun't fire the boss for this kind of matters.
Then get better consultants, It took me about 1 hour to analyse the threat (reading the realated bulletins) and adding a security wall to make shure that this little virus didn't use me as a middle part for distribution.
At the moemnt around 200 different nimda affected hosts has tried to infect our system. Still no loss, I don't count this hour as extra cost as it's a part of the work.
The problem is that IBM advertacment didn't YET fell thou th be understood by the bosses. "And who is responcible for all of this working toghter?" (I don't know if that is used in any other contry that here in sweden but as it is in english I assume that thet use it worldwide.)
/ Balp
So you men in GPL you could just remove the copyright and insert a new own one? That is what happend here, that this is illegal is the fundation that GPL stands on.
/ Balp
Well actually al least NT is HARD to secure, I have been working with this form some years before I got to fustrated and left of the nice stabile Unix world again. Installing NT and securing the box is actually pretty easy, well it takes a loot more time that the same work with OpenBSD but...
As every installation needs software, yet it does saidly but thats true. We soon run into problems with the NT enviroment as almost every program assuems that it's running in a Windows 9x enviroment it also assumes that it could write anyware on c:. It dosn't care about looking for the nice multiuser features of NT, I can write to C:\WINDOWS\MyConfig.dat without problems. (or maybe C:\Program Files\MyApp\Config.cfg, this is nice and works in a simple singeluser enviroment or maybe on a trused server looked in a nice server room. But actually we have computers standing on the desktop of users, and some of them may even be used by several persons.
Securing a NT machine produces bugs in software packages as office to be exposed. It take a loot more effort to secure the applications in Windows that in the unix world (most Unix developers are developing where they don't have root access to any disk, that is not the case of windows developers.)
/ Balp
> And what good reason is that, envy?
Yes I think that the rest off the world envy the US all the time, it's high crime rate, it's big economic differnce. There is a loot in the US that the rest of the world could envy.
I think there are good resons to think badly of the people that killed your family and friends. US politics as well as terorist has done this. If the US now goes out and bombs away aloot of pepople someware for being close to the terroist the big message that will be sent out is that hate is OK and killing is accepted. There IS NEED for understanding at this moment, killing will not get back the lives of anybody. So there is NO reason till kill more...
In history no goverment so far has been able to stop pepople from talking privatly and disusing things that the goverment doen't like. Be int criminal actions or rebellion. Why shuold they succseed this time. It you had read the talks about steddetect that you sould also have camed to the end where all problems are discussed. There are a loot of flase reports from steddetect, if you only need to send small ammount of natural langunage it will be nerly inpossible too find it on the internet especially is one doen't like the information to be found.
I'm not shure that the vitims of the US misses think the same. In the rest of the world, at large parts everything wasn't so bad and evil in communism as it is in the US I have heard a loot of pepople in Estern Germany that sometimes like to have the communism back because pepople where more human against each other as they had one common enemy (the goverment) that now. This not to be read as communism is good, becaus it isn't but there are always two sides of a coin. Nothinbg is pure evil and nothing is pure good.
There is nothing that counts as a good reason for that terorism. But then I don't think there is anything that counts as good reasons for the violence in Israel either (or any other place in the world at the moment).
> Correct, the GPL does impose a restriction. That restriction is that you may not impose that
> any restrictions upon code based on that code.
Or you can't remove any restrictions, i.e. I can't say that anyone that does redistribute only an unmodified binary of the code only has to give instructions of where to get the source code. And don't have to make the redistribution them selfs. There are a loot of restrictions in the GPL some that might be good some that are less well working. (I see no reason too keep a copy of the source tree availble for tree years if you give avaon a compiled emacs). In strict terms the GPL may force you to do this (or atlest make shure that you can get that code).
I have done a loot of coding with Code Review, and I don't find that it works. I find that there are two main reasons for this.
One, it takes time. If you have reviews when a part of function of the code begins to get ready. (Actually there seldom are any idea before this.) There is a loto of code for the reviewes to look into, so they have to spend aloot of time to prepare and try to understand what the code is about. Then they tend to miss a loot as the time is limited.
Two, it usally comes down to a find over coding style. You have missindented that paragraph. Why dosn't you break the line there and so on. This usally while the "problems" remain. Reviews other don't like to complain when they don't understand the code, it could look as they are stupid on the meeting. And the code wither does always depend his way on the meeting. I did it right, (and I don't like to go back and fix those minor details, even if they are wrong.)
With the real pair programing you does the review all the timne and you get a possitive competision, and a nice feeling. It gets fun to code, you don't have to defend you self, you don't have to spend a loooong time trying to understand what the HEEELL is this.
I guess you missed the XP idea, the XP idea is thay you and me as good programers could develop better software in a way that is fun to work in. Not HAVING to fill into the rigid hard wall that defines all other programing modela I have seen i real work. While we still could deliver something that works. For an example if i work two weeks on a problem, (being a hard one). Does all the unit testing, it works, it gets delivers bu the deadline, i enters verification. Then one or two or maybe four months later. I get a bug report on that old code, it's not fun to go back and make a minor change. And maybe that it was a minor special case that got a in the test. I didn't see it that and it took me a week to get back into that part of the code and twwek the unittest so that I could reproduce the error with in a controlled enviroment. If I have to that to many times I get borde and don't think the project is fun any more, then I leave, and soon there are only the ones that can't leave that has to fix all the uppcoming bugs. It never gets good and you can't be prod that you where in that project.
On the other end, in XP, my buddy whould have asked me why does you use there. I have to look at it, and finds the problem at once. I'm also pretty shure that when i "make test" everything works.
I does understand your worries, I first fouthe the same, and coding still is an art. Thats why XP could work and other metods are hard to get result from.
XP is shortly, do whats gives good code and do it a loot!
But if is is a "mere aggregation" then maybe it dosn't forefills the requirements as needed to recive copyright. At least in Sweden, there is a need for originality (i guess thats the right word) i.e. a hello-world program does not recive copyright. Must other contries has someting simular to that. But I don't know if this distinction has ever been tested.
The we have the simularites beteen the layout of the cd and the typograhical work in a book. The typographical work is clearly copyrigthed, but is the cd layout (as the mere iso immage) I don't know if this ever has been tested eigther. There are some differenced in the electronic world.
As long as you know that they havn't added anything to there distributions that is coverd by an other licence that GPL that dosn't give you that right. They might have there own installscripts that don't is GPL'ed or something then you are might be breaking there rights.
Why, those codes have decided that they like the possibility for other to sell there work and that they DON'T need to get the money in that case. If they don't like that they shouldn't use GPL or any other Open Sourced licence (http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.html) The first criteria in the definition os open source is that this is possible. If you don't like it don't get into open source, or free software (http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/selling.html).
> The distribution itself is copyrighted, it is a
> particular form in which other material is
> presented
In my interpeation of the GPL the combined work (i.e. the distribution) has to be GPL:ed as well. But that is not shure. OpenBSD uses this distinction between software and distribution layout to keep iso images away.
/ Balp
On the other side, by just putting one single program that isn't GPL:ed and with a stricter licence they are fully in there right to make shure that there iso imanges dosn't get spread. You can take everything from the iso immage and remake a new iso image without that software. Bur then you got your own distriution.
/ Balp
> So you think it's fair that they have your work, and you don't have their work?
Yes, you gave away your code, you did put it up for the use, you still have your things. How anyone else does are up to them and decide, thats freedom. Of cource I may ask them do do as I did but thats a other story.
>> What is the point of a library you can't use because of licensing issues? How is that free?
>
> I write GPL'ed software. Others write BSD'ed software. It's free for us. Join us. If you don't like that, I'm sure there's a
>commercial library that will let you license it for money rather than freedom.
The main problem is not that anyone uses GPL, the problem i.m.h.o. is the use of free as a word for describing GPLed software. GPL is actuallt much less free than most other software. GPL is a restrictive licence, the goal of GPL is to make shure that every user can study, change, and redistribute the software that they use. Not that they are free.
I feel that the resrictions that GPL puts on deriveted work is strange and hard to understand. I i find a problem in a software I must have the freedom to do what I like with that knowleedge. to some extent I can do a loot but I can't sell the binary or the fix. I can sell an step by step instruction of who to correct the error, and I could probably put what ever restrictions I like on these instructions. (As if you can't sell or give away there instuctions.) But IF i make this as a patch THEN suddenly I have to choose the GPL licence for my patch.