...isn't an energy source. But thanks for playing.
It is when you burn it outright or use it in a fuel cell. However, a fuel cell does require oxygen, which would have been created in a star. Come to think of it, burning hydrogen also requires oxygen.
Still, if you put Hydrogen under enough pressure, it fuses nicely into helium and releases lots of energy in the process, making it the Holy Grail of an energy source.
Talk about jumping to wild conclusions based on next to no evidence, but firmly ensconced in ideological clap trap.
There are innumerable examples of governments "making things". As we are talking about electricity generation I will point out the Snowy Mountains Hydro Electric Scheme in Australia, built by the Australian government and operated to this day by a wholly government owned corporation. It is the largest engineering project ever undertaken in Australia and frequently cited as an example of civil engineering excellence.
In scope and difficulty, putting up some wind turbines is just not in the same league.
Don't forget about the Hoover dam, the nuclear bomb, the interstate highway system, airports, and national parks. Of course, these things don't usually make MONEY, as in profit (Hoover dam does generate and sell electricity), which is what I think the GP was worried about. Businesses actually create value through work, thus create money and increase the economy.
That's not necessarily true. It really depends on how they taste when thrown on the grill with a nice, spicy, Serrano infused barbecue sauce and dressed with some fresh cilantro.
Okay lets put the next wind farm beside your house.
Please do. I love the way those things look. They actually look better than the cell phone towers that are all over the place. Those are built next to my house and everyone else's.
Much of Texas is not limited by zoning regulations. Take Houston for example. Outside the cities, who cares? In smaller towns, the mayor and city council members are your neighbors and really don't care to bother you unless someone else complains about something. Even then, you probably know who the busy body is so there's not a whole hell of a lot of that going on. No zoning works in Houston because no one is going to build a wind farm in a big city because land is too expensive. People build houses where people want to live and they build businesses where people want to work or shop. It's how free markets work. Besides, you can build your wind farm on leased land in that small town I was talking about where the people there welcome you and enjoy the investment instead of filing complaints over some endangered fly that has been spotted 50 miles away.
simply let the cost of oil rise. then all of us that are "complicit" will finally get to see some alternatives brought to market,
Like what, exactly? I keep hearing that we should all be using green energy, but after looking for it, I have yet to find any. You know why? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST! Sure, you can get ethanol powered cars, but it takes more than a gallon of gas worth of energy to produce a gallon of ethanol. Sure, we have wind and solar power, but my my car doesn't have anywhere to plug it in. And even if it did, it still would not get me to work and back with the AC on, much less to day care. You ever try to drive with a two year old in Texas without the AC on? It gets beyond uncomfortable. It is actually dangerous.
Fact is, there is simply no way to get enough energy from solar and wind to power our cars, homes and businesses, and there won't be for many decades to come. So when you say, "simply let the cost of oil rise", all you are doing is making people pay more money to people who want to kill us. This not only wrecks our economy, but finances those who do things like stone rape victims and hang homosexuals. I don't care how much you WANT greener energy or how many people you force to need it, it doesn't exist and my car doesn't run on want.
read this again: there aren't other choices not because we don't know of any other choices to make, but simply because no one will finance them as long as they will be crushed by cheap oil.
Then tax imported oil to set a minimum price per barrel. This will spur domestic energy production and give us the money to finance research in different, forms of energy so that some day, they might exist. The problem is that liberals don't want any energy production at all. Since they don't have any control of foreign countries and can only stop us from drilling here, we end up having to import it. Conservatives don't like taxes. But if you only taxed imported oil AND allowed for domestic energy production, they might be able to accept the idea. If you invest that money into "better" energy research, you might be able to get liberals to budge. You have to do both. One side will NOT EVER EVER EVER solve our energy problems. Both sides must give in.
That is only energy to produce, not transport to you and to the dump. I have ceramic mugs that I wash in the dishwasher. I must have used them thousands of times by now.
Good point, but I bet it would take more energy to wash a mug in a dishwasher than it does to haul a Styrofoam cup to the dump.
From the TFA I linked:
If she washed her mug in a dishwasher, she would have to wash it 40 times before it became as energy efficient as my daily paper cup usage. Washing it by hand uses 3-4 times more hot water than a dishwasher, pushing the figure over 100 times. Styrofoam cups require so little energy to manufacture that using a ceramic mug handwashed every day will never be more efficient than daily styrofoam cup usage.
Oh please, you act like we have a choice in whether or not plastic is in our lives. There is simply no choice with the way our economy is set up. Frankly, I do not demand petroleum products, but companies choose to wrap wrap their food or other products in it. I would be perfectly happy if it were covered in something else.... Unfortunately this has been against a headwind of conservatives yelling "Drill, Baby Drill."
So let me get this straight. First you bitch because you can't live without petroleum products, and then you bitch about people who want to bring them to you?
I got news for you bub, conservatives can't live without them either. The difference we know that unicorn farts make for a crappy petroleum substitute. We know that it's stupid to artificially produce scarcity and increase the price on a product that you just admitted you can't live without.
Here, let me explain something to you from a conservative standpoint: 1) We know that America runs on energy. Energy comes from many sources, including oil 2) We know that America has a lot of energy reserves that we are not tapping including, but not limited to: oil, natural gas, nuclear, solar, wind, hydro, tidal, and geo. 3) We don't care where the energy comes from. Unfortunately, we simply use more energy than all the "green" energy that we can possibly produce (wind) or that we are allowed to produce (nuclear). 4) Since we are not tapping the resources listed in #2, we have to buy them from bad people who want to kill us.
So, the solution is simple: 1) Drill baby drill. 2) Use the resources (money) we gain from domestic energy production and invest that money into renewables (ethanol from a variety of sources) and alternatives (electric cars) 3) By the time we run out of domestic energy, we should have a viable replacement installed. If not, we're all F@%KED anyway because the whole world will be out of easy to access energy.
Still, we can't drill our way out of the this crisis. We can't conserve our way out of this crisis. We can't utilize unicorn farts to get us out of this crisis. It will take a mix of all three. So that means: 1) Liberals, STFU and let us get at the energy we have. 2) Conservatives, STFU and accept the fact that some energy profits will be taxed to pave the way for renewables. 3) ??? 4) Profit!!!
When did I ask that they cut corners? If I could go buy gas and get a guarantee that it did not come form BP I sure as hell would. I would love to send a market signal that I prefer producers who do not cut corners.
Well, that's easy. Go to a service station with a big sign that says, "Exxon".
That will show BP that you won't tolerate oil spills!
Wow, I am so impressed! You are truly a SupremoMan! You are going to save the world with your re-usable plastic bag. (This is really only a long-term strategy to eventually charge money for all bags at the store.) It takes nearly no petroleum to make a bag. The emissions from the truck that delivered the bags are far worse than people using the actual bags.
I would also be curious to know how much energy it takes to make that reusable bag vs how much it takes to make those "disposable" plastic bags. (BTW, we reuse those to pick up dog doo and to empty the TP from my little girls travel potty). For example, how much energy is used to make a fire-kilned ceramic mug vs how much it takes to make a Styrofoam cup?
What she's focusing on is the waste. However, she's not taking into account the embodied energy of the materials. Certainly it takes energy to raise and fell trees, to process the cup, and to let it degrade in the waste system. But it also takes energy to fire a kiln to bake a ceramic mug like hers. In a 1994 study, Dr. Martin Hocking noted that a paper cup requires about half a megajoule of energy to manufacture while a ceramic mug requires 14 megajoules of energy to manufacture. If she washed her mug in a dishwasher, she would have to wash it 40 times before it became as energy efficient as my daily paper cup usage. Washing it by hand uses 3-4 times more hot water than a dishwasher, pushing the figure over 100 times. Styrofoam cups require so little energy to manufacture that using a ceramic mug handwashed every day will never be more efficient than daily styrofoam cup usage.
So while you may be saving a bit of landfill space (which there is no shortage of), how much energy are you saving? Are you saving anything at all? So while you think you are saving the environment, you might be doing more damage than good.
Definitely the beginning of the end when science is evaluated by non-scientists (or bought/paid for court "expert witnesses").
Actually, this politician is making sure that tax dollars are being spent wisely and can be accounted for. While I'm sure THIS politician has a political agenda, it is a politicians job to keep track of how our tax dollars are spent so it's not like he's trying to do something that is outside his responsibility. I wish more politicians would apply this zeal for tracking tax dollars even when there are not political points to go after.
Some what, far worse are the organizations they donate too.
I know. Let's look at an incomplete list some of those crap causes those bastards donate to:
WinShape Homes – $1,164,000 WinShape Homes is a long-term care alternative for children who desperately need a caring home environment. WinShape operates 11 homes; seven in Georgia, two in Tennessee and one each in Alabama and Brazil.
College Scholarships – $870,000 Prior to 2006, the Chick-fil-A Bowl contributed scholarship money to the general scholarship funds of the participating universities. Beginning in 2006, the Chick-fil-A Bowl began an endowed scholarship program to create $100,000 scholarships at each of the participating schools.
Chick-fil-A Bowl Challenge golf event – $840,000 Created in 2007, this premier, made-for-TV golf tournament featured 12 two-man teams of NCAA head coaches and celebrities – representing universities from around the country – competing for a pool of $375,000 in scholarship money. The event was held April 29 – May 1 at Reynolds Plantation and will be televised Christmas Day on CBS.
Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta – $370,000 Proceeds from the Chick-fil-A Bowl’s Classic for Kids men’s basketball doubleheader have benefited Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta, which is dedicated to providing sick children with superior medical care.
Play It Smart – $360,000 Beginning in 2007, the Chick-fil-A Bowl will partner with the National Football Foundation and College Hall of Fame to participate in the Play It Smart program. In 1998, The NFF created Play It Smart, an educational program targeted at high school football players from economically disadvantaged environments. The program, designed to transform student-athletes’ passion for sport and intense dedication to their team into a force for greater good in their lives, provides an “Academic Coach” who is equal parts mentor, advocate, counselor, teacher, coach and friend to work with the students for the entire academic year.
High School Scholarships – $336,000 Dozens of high school football players and team managers from the state of Georgia receive $1,000 and $2,000 scholarships through an annualized program.
Georgia Lion’s Lighthouse Foundation – $250,000 An annual contribution program begun in 2006 to help support the Georgia Lion’s Lighthouse, an organization dedicated to fostering sight conservation and restoration, and hearing conservation, with a particular emphasis on children.
Hokie Spirit Memorial Fund – $100,000 Following the April 16 massacre on the Virginia Tech campus, the Chick-fil-A Bowl donated an additional $100,000 to the Hokie Spirit Memorial Fund to aid relief efforts for the families of those who lost their lives in this terrible tragedy.
Georgia National Guard – $100,000 The Georgia National Guard received a donation to assist families affected by Georgians involved in the war in Iraq.
Louisiana State Hurricane Student Relief Fund – $100,000 The LSU Foundation has collaborated with entities campus-wide to establish the “Hurricane Katrina Student Relief Fund” to assist LSU students who have lost financial support or have been displaced due to hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
University Athletic Programs – $93,000 Participating teams in the Russell Athletic Shootout, the Chick-fil-A Bowl’s women’s college basketball doubleheader, received donations to their university’s athletic programs.
Georgia Baptist Health Care System – $39,000 Proceeds from the ACC/SEC Golf Invitational, a Chick-fil-A Bowl event held each May prior to 2006, benefited the Georgia Baptist Health Care System
*To those of you who are going to whine or mod me down for saying that, take a look at yourself before you open your mouth (or type the words). Do you not go to some place(s) because of their corporate policies, working conditions, charities they give to, etc? If so, one word describes you: hypocrite.
That's your right. I ban Progressive insurance even though they could save me $30.00/mo because of their political activism. If you don't know which way they lean, look at the name. At least they are upfront about it.
There is something else about Chick-Fil-A you should consider. Although that may be their corporate mission, I've seen people of various religions (turbines, head scarfs and so on) working there, so it's not like they discriminate on the basis of religion. Sure it would be illegal, but you can still exclude those whose religion you don't agree with by finding other excuses for not hiring them. It doesn't appear that Chick-Fil-A tries to do that.
Also, the employees there believe it's the greatest place in the world to work. I've heard employees there describe it as a family. Chick-fil-A takes really good care of their employees. Not only do employees get Sunday off for worship (religion), family time (not so religious) or to simply take the day off and rest (not religious), but they are very family and student friendly when it comes to scheduling. They also offer a college scholarship and health benefits. The only downside I saw was the low pay, but it is fast food and the company does pay 12% more than the industry average.
So, while I fully understand and support your decision to ban Chick-Fil-A based on their religious based corporate mission, you should also consider the way they treat their employees. Who knows, this sort of thing may catch on to the point where Walmart starts to treat their employees better. It surely won't if enough people like you have the same mind set and refuse to frequent an establishment based on the owner's religion.
Wow so where exactly does it say government officials have to regulate every thing about our lives? And they think that just cause a meal has a toy the kid is going to want it and also the parent will give in? What happened to parents parenting???
Now, now. We all know it takes a village to raise a child.
OK, sarc off. IMHO, only an incompetent parent would let a village raise their child!
I know, let's not bother with that thing known as personal responsibility, let's legislate EVERYTHING!
Whole heartedly agree!
I don't even know if it's so much personal responsibility, as that means responsibility for one's self. This is about parental responsibility. Which makes me laugh when I read, "This ordinance prevents restaurants from preying on children's love of toys' to sell high-calorie, unhealthful toys..." Kids shouldn't have a say. If the parents are doing their jobs, it won't matter who the restaurants prey upon.
Besides, it not so much the toys that bring 'em in. It's parent's being too lazy/busy to make dinner for their child. As a parent, I can understand this as my wife and I work three jobs between us and go to school. Sometimes, it's kinda nice to eat out on the cheap. (We do Chick-fil-A. Does that count as crap food?) The toy is just a bonus to keep our child busy long enough so we can finish our meals with some level of peace. (Besides, I like to play with them too)
What's next? Are they going to ban the playgrounds, clown mascotts and kid's clubs?
The kind that has jurisdiction, which is not the Arizona police forces.
Why doesn't the Arizona State PD have jurisdiction in AZ? Are you saying that state laws and US laws are mutually exclusive? You mean if there is a federal law against murder, then there can't be a state law against murder? If there are federal taxes, then there can't be state taxes? Please, explain to me why an AZ State Trooper wouldn't have Jurisdiction in Phoenix?
I should not have to worry about being asked for my papers because I wanted to walk down the street.
Read the part about "reasonable suspicion" and tell me why you think that walking down the street qualifies.
Also, do you live in AZ? Would you be worried if you did? What if I told you that authorities in your area had the same powers that were just granted to the AZ police? Well, if you are in the US, that's the case. See, the Feds have always had these powers. You've been living under an iron fist all these years and you never even knew it. When those ICE guys stopped you for going to the corner store and detained you for years threatening deportation until you mum showed up at the police station with baby pictures and had to show all the cops her C-section scar. I bet you had no idea that you were living under the same, Orwellian Hell that these good citizens of AZ are going to start living under (although, they've been under the same Fed system as you, so... no change for them).
So in other words you can stop someone and demand papers, and if the person was an illegal immigrant, the stop was OK, but if the person was a citizen, Whoops! it was illegal to do?
No! According to this law, it is NOT OK to simply stop someone and ask for papers. RTFL
Do you see the problem with this?
Do you? Did you six months ago? You should have because the Feds have the same powers this bill spells out and more. All this did was give AZ state police some of the powers Federal agents have. If the feds weren't abusing it, why do you think the locals will?
The behavior was speeding, your driver's license is insufficient because it doesn't certify your citizenship, you are under arrest for being an illegal immigrant despite the fact that you're a citizen.
The Feds have had this power for decades in all 50 states. Why are you just now bringing it up that AZ has allowed itself to do the same?
Oh, and since the law requires that there should be reasonable suspicion for me to be asked for my citizenship papers, what would that reason be? Certainly isn't speeding. Why would I be arrested?
Keep in mind that your driver's license isn't proof of citizenship...
It could be if you guys wouldn't throw a fucking shit fit every time a national ID card or even national ID standards for state cards is brought up.
Given that the US is a country of immigrants and therefore anyone and everyone looks like an immigrant, police can detain you until you prove that you are a citizen.
Nothing new here. The AZ law gives the state police no powers that the Feds didn't already have. In other words, you are bitching about something that hasn't really changed.
You obviously don't care if that happens to brown citizens going about their day, because, and this is a wild guess, you're white and don't think this law would affect you, but think for a second about what that means if you happen to be protesting something the government doesn't like. Can't prove your citizenship? Detention for you.
Strange. Like I just said, this gives no powers to the AZ police that the feds didn't already have. Now since, according to many on slash, MSNBC and every liberal site on the web, we just got rid of the closest thing to Hitler we're ever going to get (many called him BusHitler and even drew mustaches on him), and yet, I've seen none of the hairy pitted Code Pink bitches arrested and held 'til they can prove a birth certificate. Nor have I have any protests on the powers that ICE has wielded for years. Why do you think it is OK for the Feds to have the power to do all the things you are afraid of, but not the state of AZ?
" And in the U.S., permanent residents typically aren't hassled, at least until now. "
And if that happens, you can blame three parties for that in the US; the federal government, which has to a great extent ignored the problem of illegal immigration, the politicians that want them to continue ignoring the porous borders, and the businesses that keep them coming because they don't want to pay market rates for labor. Don't blame the people who finally got fed up with coyotes leading columns of illegal aliens across their lawns at 2 in the morning. The states are acting now because the federals are not.
Actually, I believe the fact that Phoenix is #2 in the world for kidnappings and #1 in the US may have something to do with it also.
I guess these people think the good people of AZ should just bend over and take it.
Non-citizens do not have all of the rights that a citizen does. And frankly, I don't see what the big deal here is. In most places in the world... the first world included... visitors are required to have documentation on them of some kind, be it visa papers or a passport.
You seem to have missed the point that not everyone with brown skin in Arizona is an alien, legal or otherwise. Or, to put it another way, if I took my aunt who was born in Germany (but is now an American citizen) to Arizona, they are probably not going to stop her and demand to see her papers to prove that she is here legally.
You're right. And if I take my wife, who is Hispanic, they are not going to stop her and ask her for her papers either. The whole point is that the state police in Arizona have the same rights that the feds have had all along. I didn't see anyone bitching about the Feds having this right a month ago. I haven't seen anyone freaking out like you are saying that Feds are going to pull over brown skinned people and say, "Papers Please!"
Actually, if I were to be afraid of this, I'd be MORE concerned that the Feds have this power than the state police of AZ.
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...isn't an energy source. But thanks for playing.
It is when you burn it outright or use it in a fuel cell. However, a fuel cell does require oxygen, which would have been created in a star. Come to think of it, burning hydrogen also requires oxygen.
Still, if you put Hydrogen under enough pressure, it fuses nicely into helium and releases lots of energy in the process, making it the Holy Grail of an energy source.
So... Thanks for letting me play. :-)
Technically, every energy source besides nuclear is solar power.
Hydrogen.
Talk about jumping to wild conclusions based on next to no evidence, but firmly ensconced in ideological clap trap.
There are innumerable examples of governments "making things". As we are talking about electricity generation I will point out the Snowy Mountains Hydro Electric Scheme in Australia, built by the Australian government and operated to this day by a wholly government owned corporation. It is the largest engineering project ever undertaken in Australia and frequently cited as an example of civil engineering excellence.
In scope and difficulty, putting up some wind turbines is just not in the same league.
So what is it you were saying about governments?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowy_Mountains_Scheme#cite_note-ASCE-6
Don't forget about the Hoover dam, the nuclear bomb, the interstate highway system, airports, and national parks. Of course, these things don't usually make MONEY, as in profit (Hoover dam does generate and sell electricity), which is what I think the GP was worried about. Businesses actually create value through work, thus create money and increase the economy.
Texans don't give a shit about endangered animals
That's not necessarily true. It really depends on how they taste when thrown on the grill with a nice, spicy, Serrano infused barbecue sauce and dressed with some fresh cilantro.
Okay lets put the next wind farm beside your house.
Please do. I love the way those things look. They actually look better than the cell phone towers that are all over the place. Those are built next to my house and everyone else's.
That wouldn't happen because of zoning.
Much of Texas is not limited by zoning regulations. Take Houston for example. Outside the cities, who cares? In smaller towns, the mayor and city council members are your neighbors and really don't care to bother you unless someone else complains about something. Even then, you probably know who the busy body is so there's not a whole hell of a lot of that going on. No zoning works in Houston because no one is going to build a wind farm in a big city because land is too expensive. People build houses where people want to live and they build businesses where people want to work or shop. It's how free markets work. Besides, you can build your wind farm on leased land in that small town I was talking about where the people there welcome you and enjoy the investment instead of filing complaints over some endangered fly that has been spotted 50 miles away.
simply let the cost of oil rise. then all of us that are "complicit" will finally get to see some alternatives brought to market,
Like what, exactly? I keep hearing that we should all be using green energy, but after looking for it, I have yet to find any. You know why? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST! Sure, you can get ethanol powered cars, but it takes more than a gallon of gas worth of energy to produce a gallon of ethanol. Sure, we have wind and solar power, but my my car doesn't have anywhere to plug it in. And even if it did, it still would not get me to work and back with the AC on, much less to day care. You ever try to drive with a two year old in Texas without the AC on? It gets beyond uncomfortable. It is actually dangerous.
Fact is, there is simply no way to get enough energy from solar and wind to power our cars, homes and businesses, and there won't be for many decades to come. So when you say, "simply let the cost of oil rise", all you are doing is making people pay more money to people who want to kill us. This not only wrecks our economy, but finances those who do things like stone rape victims and hang homosexuals. I don't care how much you WANT greener energy or how many people you force to need it, it doesn't exist and my car doesn't run on want.
read this again: there aren't other choices not because we don't know of any other choices to make, but simply because no one will finance them as long as they will be crushed by cheap oil.
Then tax imported oil to set a minimum price per barrel. This will spur domestic energy production and give us the money to finance research in different, forms of energy so that some day, they might exist. The problem is that liberals don't want any energy production at all. Since they don't have any control of foreign countries and can only stop us from drilling here, we end up having to import it. Conservatives don't like taxes. But if you only taxed imported oil AND allowed for domestic energy production, they might be able to accept the idea. If you invest that money into "better" energy research, you might be able to get liberals to budge. You have to do both. One side will NOT EVER EVER EVER solve our energy problems. Both sides must give in.
there's more to it than energy, but yes I also would like to see an in-depth accounting.
and of course... there are those of us who don't wash their ceramic coffee mug. :)
That's awesome. I don't throw away my Styrofoam cups.
That is only energy to produce, not transport to you and to the dump. I have ceramic mugs that I wash in the dishwasher. I must have used them thousands of times by now.
Good point, but I bet it would take more energy to wash a mug in a dishwasher than it does to haul a Styrofoam cup to the dump.
From the TFA I linked:
If she washed her mug in a dishwasher, she would have to wash it 40 times before it became as energy efficient as my daily paper cup usage. Washing it by hand uses 3-4 times more hot water than a dishwasher, pushing the figure over 100 times. Styrofoam cups require so little energy to manufacture that using a ceramic mug handwashed every day will never be more efficient than daily styrofoam cup usage.
Oh please, you act like we have a choice in whether or not plastic is in our lives. There is simply no choice with the way our economy is set up. Frankly, I do not demand petroleum products, but companies choose to wrap wrap their food or other products in it. I would be perfectly happy if it were covered in something else. ...
Unfortunately this has been against a headwind of conservatives yelling "Drill, Baby Drill."
So let me get this straight. First you bitch because you can't live without petroleum products, and then you bitch about people who want to bring them to you?
I got news for you bub, conservatives can't live without them either. The difference we know that unicorn farts make for a crappy petroleum substitute. We know that it's stupid to artificially produce scarcity and increase the price on a product that you just admitted you can't live without.
Here, let me explain something to you from a conservative standpoint:
1) We know that America runs on energy. Energy comes from many sources, including oil
2) We know that America has a lot of energy reserves that we are not tapping including, but not limited to: oil, natural gas, nuclear, solar, wind, hydro, tidal, and geo.
3) We don't care where the energy comes from. Unfortunately, we simply use more energy than all the "green" energy that we can possibly produce (wind) or that we are allowed to produce (nuclear).
4) Since we are not tapping the resources listed in #2, we have to buy them from bad people who want to kill us.
So, the solution is simple:
1) Drill baby drill.
2) Use the resources (money) we gain from domestic energy production and invest that money into renewables (ethanol from a variety of sources) and alternatives (electric cars)
3) By the time we run out of domestic energy, we should have a viable replacement installed. If not, we're all F@%KED anyway because the whole world will be out of easy to access energy.
Still, we can't drill our way out of the this crisis. We can't conserve our way out of this crisis. We can't utilize unicorn farts to get us out of this crisis. It will take a mix of all three. So that means:
1) Liberals, STFU and let us get at the energy we have.
2) Conservatives, STFU and accept the fact that some energy profits will be taxed to pave the way for renewables.
3) ???
4) Profit!!!
When did I ask that they cut corners?
If I could go buy gas and get a guarantee that it did not come form BP I sure as hell would. I would love to send a market signal that I prefer producers who do not cut corners.
Well, that's easy. Go to a service station with a big sign that says, "Exxon".
That will show BP that you won't tolerate oil spills!
Wow, I am so impressed! You are truly a SupremoMan! You are going to save the world with your re-usable plastic bag. (This is really only a long-term strategy to eventually charge money for all bags at the store.) It takes nearly no petroleum to make a bag. The emissions from the truck that delivered the bags are far worse than people using the actual bags.
I would also be curious to know how much energy it takes to make that reusable bag vs how much it takes to make those "disposable" plastic bags. (BTW, we reuse those to pick up dog doo and to empty the TP from my little girls travel potty). For example, how much energy is used to make a fire-kilned ceramic mug vs how much it takes to make a Styrofoam cup?
What she's focusing on is the waste. However, she's not taking into account the embodied energy of the materials. Certainly it takes energy to raise and fell trees, to process the cup, and to let it degrade in the waste system. But it also takes energy to fire a kiln to bake a ceramic mug like hers. In a 1994 study, Dr. Martin Hocking noted that a paper cup requires about half a megajoule of energy to manufacture while a ceramic mug requires 14 megajoules of energy to manufacture. If she washed her mug in a dishwasher, she would have to wash it 40 times before it became as energy efficient as my daily paper cup usage. Washing it by hand uses 3-4 times more hot water than a dishwasher, pushing the figure over 100 times. Styrofoam cups require so little energy to manufacture that using a ceramic mug handwashed every day will never be more efficient than daily styrofoam cup usage.
So while you may be saving a bit of landfill space (which there is no shortage of), how much energy are you saving? Are you saving anything at all? So while you think you are saving the environment, you might be doing more damage than good.
Great...
Definitely the beginning of the end when science is evaluated by non-scientists (or bought/paid for court "expert witnesses").
Actually, this politician is making sure that tax dollars are being spent wisely and can be accounted for. While I'm sure THIS politician has a political agenda, it is a politicians job to keep track of how our tax dollars are spent so it's not like he's trying to do something that is outside his responsibility. I wish more politicians would apply this zeal for tracking tax dollars even when there are not political points to go after.
We do Chick-fil-A. Does that count as crap food?
Some what, far worse are the organizations they donate too.
I know. Let's look at an incomplete list some of those crap causes those bastards donate to:
WinShape Homes – $1,164,000
WinShape Homes is a long-term care alternative for children who desperately need a caring home environment. WinShape operates 11 homes; seven in Georgia, two in Tennessee and one each in Alabama and Brazil.
College Scholarships – $870,000
Prior to 2006, the Chick-fil-A Bowl contributed scholarship money to the general scholarship funds of the participating universities. Beginning in 2006, the Chick-fil-A Bowl began an endowed scholarship program to create $100,000 scholarships at each of the participating schools.
Chick-fil-A Bowl Challenge golf event – $840,000
Created in 2007, this premier, made-for-TV golf tournament featured 12 two-man teams of NCAA head coaches and celebrities – representing universities from around the country – competing for a pool of $375,000 in scholarship money. The event was held April 29 – May 1 at Reynolds Plantation and will be televised Christmas Day on CBS.
Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta – $370,000
Proceeds from the Chick-fil-A Bowl’s Classic for Kids men’s basketball doubleheader have benefited Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta, which is dedicated to providing sick children with superior medical care.
Play It Smart – $360,000
Beginning in 2007, the Chick-fil-A Bowl will partner with the National Football Foundation and College Hall of Fame to participate in the Play It Smart program. In 1998, The NFF created Play It Smart, an educational program targeted at high school football players from economically disadvantaged environments. The program, designed to transform student-athletes’ passion for sport and intense dedication to their team into a force for greater good in their lives, provides an “Academic Coach” who is equal parts mentor, advocate, counselor, teacher, coach and friend to work with the students for the entire academic year.
High School Scholarships – $336,000
Dozens of high school football players and team managers from the state of Georgia receive $1,000 and $2,000 scholarships through an annualized program.
Georgia Lion’s Lighthouse Foundation – $250,000
An annual contribution program begun in 2006 to help support the Georgia Lion’s Lighthouse, an organization dedicated to fostering sight conservation and restoration, and hearing conservation, with a particular emphasis on children.
Hokie Spirit Memorial Fund – $100,000
Following the April 16 massacre on the Virginia Tech campus, the Chick-fil-A Bowl donated an additional $100,000 to the Hokie Spirit Memorial Fund to aid relief efforts for the families of those who lost their lives in this terrible tragedy.
Georgia National Guard – $100,000
The Georgia National Guard received a donation to assist families affected by Georgians involved in the war in Iraq.
Louisiana State Hurricane Student Relief Fund – $100,000
The LSU Foundation has collaborated with entities campus-wide to establish the “Hurricane Katrina Student Relief Fund” to assist LSU students who have lost financial support or have been displaced due to hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
University Athletic Programs – $93,000
Participating teams in the Russell Athletic Shootout, the Chick-fil-A Bowl’s women’s college basketball doubleheader, received donations to their university’s athletic programs.
Georgia Baptist Health Care System – $39,000
Proceeds from the ACC/SEC Golf Invitational, a Chick-fil-A Bowl event held each May prior to 2006, benefited the Georgia Baptist Health Care System
Scratch another place not to go to.*
*To those of you who are going to whine or mod me down for saying that, take a look at yourself before you open your mouth (or type the words). Do you not go to some place(s) because of their corporate policies, working conditions, charities they give to, etc? If so, one word describes you: hypocrite.
That's your right. I ban Progressive insurance even though they could save me $30.00/mo because of their political activism. If you don't know which way they lean, look at the name. At least they are upfront about it.
There is something else about Chick-Fil-A you should consider. Although that may be their corporate mission, I've seen people of various religions (turbines, head scarfs and so on) working there, so it's not like they discriminate on the basis of religion. Sure it would be illegal, but you can still exclude those whose religion you don't agree with by finding other excuses for not hiring them. It doesn't appear that Chick-Fil-A tries to do that.
Also, the employees there believe it's the greatest place in the world to work. I've heard employees there describe it as a family. Chick-fil-A takes really good care of their employees. Not only do employees get Sunday off for worship (religion), family time (not so religious) or to simply take the day off and rest (not religious), but they are very family and student friendly when it comes to scheduling. They also offer a college scholarship and health benefits. The only downside I saw was the low pay, but it is fast food and the company does pay 12% more than the industry average.
So, while I fully understand and support your decision to ban Chick-Fil-A based on their religious based corporate mission, you should also consider the way they treat their employees. Who knows, this sort of thing may catch on to the point where Walmart starts to treat their employees better. It surely won't if enough people like you have the same mind set and refuse to frequent an establishment based on the owner's religion.
Wow so where exactly does it say government officials have to regulate every thing about our lives?
And they think that just cause a meal has a toy the kid is going to want it and also the parent will give in?
What happened to parents parenting???
Now, now. We all know it takes a village to raise a child.
OK, sarc off. IMHO, only an incompetent parent would let a village raise their child!
I know, let's not bother with that thing known as personal responsibility, let's legislate EVERYTHING!
Whole heartedly agree!
I don't even know if it's so much personal responsibility, as that means responsibility for one's self. This is about parental responsibility. Which makes me laugh when I read, "This ordinance prevents restaurants from preying on children's love of toys' to sell high-calorie, unhealthful toys..." Kids shouldn't have a say. If the parents are doing their jobs, it won't matter who the restaurants prey upon.
Besides, it not so much the toys that bring 'em in. It's parent's being too lazy/busy to make dinner for their child. As a parent, I can understand this as my wife and I work three jobs between us and go to school. Sometimes, it's kinda nice to eat out on the cheap. (We do Chick-fil-A. Does that count as crap food?) The toy is just a bonus to keep our child busy long enough so we can finish our meals with some level of peace. (Besides, I like to play with them too)
What's next? Are they going to ban the playgrounds, clown mascotts and kid's clubs?
I didn't see anyone bitching about the Feds having this right a month ago.
Probably because they have the constitutional authority to handle immigration, while Arizona state officials arguably do not.
The feds also have a constitutional authority to tax, but that doesn't mean that the states can't create their own tax laws.
The kind that has jurisdiction, which is not the Arizona police forces.
Why doesn't the Arizona State PD have jurisdiction in AZ? Are you saying that state laws and US laws are mutually exclusive? You mean if there is a federal law against murder, then there can't be a state law against murder? If there are federal taxes, then there can't be state taxes? Please, explain to me why an AZ State Trooper wouldn't have Jurisdiction in Phoenix?
I should not have to worry about being asked for my papers because I wanted to walk down the street.
Read the part about "reasonable suspicion" and tell me why you think that walking down the street qualifies.
Also, do you live in AZ? Would you be worried if you did? What if I told you that authorities in your area had the same powers that were just granted to the AZ police? Well, if you are in the US, that's the case. See, the Feds have always had these powers. You've been living under an iron fist all these years and you never even knew it. When those ICE guys stopped you for going to the corner store and detained you for years threatening deportation until you mum showed up at the police station with baby pictures and had to show all the cops her C-section scar. I bet you had no idea that you were living under the same, Orwellian Hell that these good citizens of AZ are going to start living under (although, they've been under the same Fed system as you, so... no change for them).
So in other words you can stop someone and demand papers, and if the person was an illegal immigrant, the stop was OK, but if the person was a citizen, Whoops! it was illegal to do?
No! According to this law, it is NOT OK to simply stop someone and ask for papers. RTFL
Do you see the problem with this?
Do you? Did you six months ago? You should have because the Feds have the same powers this bill spells out and more. All this did was give AZ state police some of the powers Federal agents have. If the feds weren't abusing it, why do you think the locals will?
The behavior was speeding, your driver's license is insufficient because it doesn't certify your citizenship, you are under arrest for being an illegal immigrant despite the fact that you're a citizen.
The Feds have had this power for decades in all 50 states. Why are you just now bringing it up that AZ has allowed itself to do the same?
Oh, and since the law requires that there should be reasonable suspicion for me to be asked for my citizenship papers, what would that reason be? Certainly isn't speeding. Why would I be arrested?
Keep in mind that your driver's license isn't proof of citizenship...
It could be if you guys wouldn't throw a fucking shit fit every time a national ID card or even national ID standards for state cards is brought up.
Given that the US is a country of immigrants and therefore anyone and everyone looks like an immigrant, police can detain you until you prove that you are a citizen.
Nothing new here. The AZ law gives the state police no powers that the Feds didn't already have. In other words, you are bitching about something that hasn't really changed.
You obviously don't care if that happens to brown citizens going about their day, because, and this is a wild guess, you're white and don't think this law would affect you, but think for a second about what that means if you happen to be protesting something the government doesn't like. Can't prove your citizenship? Detention for you.
Strange. Like I just said, this gives no powers to the AZ police that the feds didn't already have. Now since, according to many on slash, MSNBC and every liberal site on the web, we just got rid of the closest thing to Hitler we're ever going to get (many called him BusHitler and even drew mustaches on him), and yet, I've seen none of the hairy pitted Code Pink bitches arrested and held 'til they can prove a birth certificate. Nor have I have any protests on the powers that ICE has wielded for years. Why do you think it is OK for the Feds to have the power to do all the things you are afraid of, but not the state of AZ?
" And in the U.S., permanent residents typically aren't hassled, at least until now. "
And if that happens, you can blame three parties for that in the US; the federal government, which has to a great extent ignored the problem of illegal immigration, the politicians that want them to continue ignoring the porous borders, and the businesses that keep them coming because they don't want to pay market rates for labor. Don't blame the people who finally got fed up with coyotes leading columns of illegal aliens across their lawns at 2 in the morning. The states are acting now because the federals are not.
Actually, I believe the fact that Phoenix is #2 in the world for kidnappings and #1 in the US may have something to do with it also.
I guess these people think the good people of AZ should just bend over and take it.
You seem to have missed the point that not everyone with brown skin in Arizona is an alien, legal or otherwise. Or, to put it another way, if I took my aunt who was born in Germany (but is now an American citizen) to Arizona, they are probably not going to stop her and demand to see her papers to prove that she is here legally.
You're right. And if I take my wife, who is Hispanic, they are not going to stop her and ask her for her papers either. The whole point is that the state police in Arizona have the same rights that the feds have had all along. I didn't see anyone bitching about the Feds having this right a month ago. I haven't seen anyone freaking out like you are saying that Feds are going to pull over brown skinned people and say, "Papers Please!"
Actually, if I were to be afraid of this, I'd be MORE concerned that the Feds have this power than the state police of AZ.