When did you ever see a real (not seo spam, ordinary spam, herbal medicine etc) site using any of the new TLDs? This is just ICANN trying to make more money by getting sites to register more domains.
Well, openoffice depends on a ~80mb java sdk if you want everything (the kde libs I listed include headers etc, so the sdk is the right thing to compare), and also since I was counting source tarballs for koffice we should compare the 115mb (that's linux-only, full is 210mb) OOo source. ximian-openoffice gets to be smaller by leaving out various parts of the suite. And note that even compared to the full OOo, koffice gives you more apps.
There is, however, one very major and visible open source project where all the developers hold their own copyrights, and no one of them holds a majority of it. (Torvalds wrote the first version himself, but by now he doesn't have anything like a majority in terms of, say, LOC).
It's the cost. That's all there is to it. Opera is much better than any other browser I've tried, but most people don't think it's an adbar or $40 better.
That trip/was/ my learning how to use my new camera (it was just after christmas). Anyway, it was dark and I didn't have a tripod or flat surface, I tried but I couldn't hold it steady enough, decided to keep the pic anyway (after about 5 attempts) just so I'd have something.
It is much slower in practice, because python is sensible enough to use C where necessary, wheras java builds everything other than the very basics in java.
Why would Sun put the effort they put into OO into another suite, when they could simply work on their own prodyct? Sun had their own motives opening up StarOffice. I don't image they just woke up one day and decided "hey, lets make on OSS office suite today!". People seem to forget that Sun still sells StarOffice. ditching your own product that you're still trying to sell to work on a competing product seems rather counterproductive to me.
They bought it from someone else. They could just as easily have worked on koffice, possibly even bought the copyrights so they could sell a propriety version, if not they could sell it with their support.
How can an office suite that requires KDElibs to be loaded (from the perspective on a non-KDE user, of course) be considered less bloated ?
Because it still loads faster than OOo. I've timed it.
And how is a functional, cross-platform, and open office suite a bad thing ?
Because it gets too much attention, and distracts efforts. I wouldn't mind if OOo just got on with things, but they seem to be, like firefox, a poster child for open source, which is unfair.
Care to provide a source for that? Because although it was crossplatform, there was a significant period while staroffice was still propriety, and I know for certain that koffice had an actual source release before OOo did.
IME loading up KOffice and all the kde stuff is still quicker than OOo. Also, unlike with OOo, once you've loaded up the kde runtime once it can be used for a whole host of programs. Right now I'm using fluxbox but I have kmail, k3b, konqueror and amarok running - spread across all of them the "weight" of the runtime is neglegible.
Have you ever tried programming one? KDE offers so many libraries it's not true, granted that makes it big but it's a dream to code, you don't have to worry about anything that's already been done before and can get straight on to what makes your project unique. KDE is a platform, just like the JVM.
Openoffice was only opened up after KOffice had started. I think without OOo linux office suites would actually be in a better place - koffice is cleaner, less bloated, and better documented, and if (big if, I know, but still) all the effort that went into OOo went into it instead we would see more returns.
That's exactly how it is. You can copy originals as many times as you like, but you can't copy a copy. Works exactly like they seem to be saying this system does.
Anyone remember those cd audio burners that could copy from normal cds but not from a copy made from them? There were two marks, original and copyright, pressed music cds normally set both, the burners unset the original mark when copying, and a copyright non-original couldn't be copied.
Now, how many people have one of those? The market didn't accept it, and if this isn't cracked, it won't accept this either.
On a design level, yes, absolutely. On an implementation level it could be argued mozilla code is better QAed than MS since they don't have deadlines and there's the whole many eyes thing - but I don't trust such arguments myself.
I've found plenty of horrible drivers for linux too. Try the alsa driver for i810 sound.
No, if I believe that particular aspect is superior in windows, then Linus is wrong on that particular aspect. Or are the only possibilities perfect and completely wrong?
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It's the culture. Hacker culture is, they catch you you tell them everything. That's just the way it works.
since there isn't any kind of linux player for that.
When did you ever see a real (not seo spam, ordinary spam, herbal medicine etc) site using any of the new TLDs? This is just ICANN trying to make more money by getting sites to register more domains.
Well, openoffice depends on a ~80mb java sdk if you want everything (the kde libs I listed include headers etc, so the sdk is the right thing to compare), and also since I was counting source tarballs for koffice we should compare the 115mb (that's linux-only, full is 210mb) OOo source. ximian-openoffice gets to be smaller by leaving out various parts of the suite. And note that even compared to the full OOo, koffice gives you more apps.
There is, however, one very major and visible open source project where all the developers hold their own copyrights, and no one of them holds a majority of it. (Torvalds wrote the first version himself, but by now he doesn't have anything like a majority in terms of, say, LOC).
Isn't there another issue: who should sue if someone's infringing the copyright? In particular, how would damages be allocated?
It's the cost. That's all there is to it. Opera is much better than any other browser I've tried, but most people don't think it's an adbar or $40 better.
That trip /was/ my learning how to use my new camera (it was just after christmas). Anyway, it was dark and I didn't have a tripod or flat surface, I tried but I couldn't hold it steady enough, decided to keep the pic anyway (after about 5 attempts) just so I'd have something.
It is much slower in practice, because python is sensible enough to use C where necessary, wheras java builds everything other than the very basics in java.
This won't succeed while the only client available is java.
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root portage 17M May 31 19:50 /usr/portage/distfiles/kdelibs-3.4.1.tar.bz2
bash-2.05b$ ls -lh /usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-3.4.1.tar.bz2
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root portage 22M May 23 17:38 /usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-3.4.1.tar.bz2
bash-2.05b$ ls -lh /usr/portage/distfiles/koffice-1.3.5.tar.bz2
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root portage 11M Nov 24 2004 /usr/portage/distfiles/koffice-1.3.5.tar.bz2
bash-2.05b$ echo $[17+22+11]
50
bash-2.05b$ ls -lh /usr/portage/distfiles/OOo_1.1.4_LinuxIntel_instal l.tar.gz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root portage 77M Nov 26 2004 /usr/portage/distfiles/OOo_1.1.4_LinuxIntel_instal l.tar.gz
And bear in mind you may well have the kde libraries there for some other reason anyway.
They bought it from someone else. They could just as easily have worked on koffice, possibly even bought the copyrights so they could sell a propriety version, if not they could sell it with their support.
How can an office suite that requires KDElibs to be loaded (from the perspective on a non-KDE user, of course) be considered less bloated ?
Because it still loads faster than OOo. I've timed it.
And how is a functional, cross-platform, and open office suite a bad thing ?
Because it gets too much attention, and distracts efforts. I wouldn't mind if OOo just got on with things, but they seem to be, like firefox, a poster child for open source, which is unfair.
Java...nuff said.
Care to provide a source for that? Because although it was crossplatform, there was a significant period while staroffice was still propriety, and I know for certain that koffice had an actual source release before OOo did.
IME loading up KOffice and all the kde stuff is still quicker than OOo. Also, unlike with OOo, once you've loaded up the kde runtime once it can be used for a whole host of programs. Right now I'm using fluxbox but I have kmail, k3b, konqueror and amarok running - spread across all of them the "weight" of the runtime is neglegible.
Have you ever tried programming one? KDE offers so many libraries it's not true, granted that makes it big but it's a dream to code, you don't have to worry about anything that's already been done before and can get straight on to what makes your project unique. KDE is a platform, just like the JVM.
Openoffice was only opened up after KOffice had started. I think without OOo linux office suites would actually be in a better place - koffice is cleaner, less bloated, and better documented, and if (big if, I know, but still) all the effort that went into OOo went into it instead we would see more returns.
I don't think you can be human and not have a belief one way or the other.
That's exactly how it is. You can copy originals as many times as you like, but you can't copy a copy. Works exactly like they seem to be saying this system does.
Now, how many people have one of those? The market didn't accept it, and if this isn't cracked, it won't accept this either.
WTF? Any firewall with credibility blocks traffic unless it knows for certain that the traffic is going to the right port?
Seriously, bigger fans are usually much quieter, because they don't have to spin as fast.
I've tried repeatedly, got 3 coasters out of 3. Now I just go back to 2.4 and use ide-scsi.
On a design level, yes, absolutely. On an implementation level it could be argued mozilla code is better QAed than MS since they don't have deadlines and there's the whole many eyes thing - but I don't trust such arguments myself.
No, if I believe that particular aspect is superior in windows, then Linus is wrong on that particular aspect. Or are the only possibilities perfect and completely wrong?