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Zalman Showcase Massive P4 Heatsink
Kez writes "I couldn't express the size of this heatsink in the space provided for the subject of this post. It's the size of a small country and when the fan is running, turbulence from it means a no-fly zone needs to enforced above it. At Hexus.net we've got a picture of this behemoth."
It wasn't too bad until they mentioned daisy-chaining five power supples together.
That what was all this school was for... to teach us how to solve our own problems. -- janeowit
It doesn't matter how big it is, I want to know how many Han Solos it can freeze per minute.
The world must know.
liqbase
argh
Well, since this is slashdot, even though the site won't load for me and I haven't seen the heatsink, let me just say: HOLY CRAP THAT'S HUGE!
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The shit just hit the fan.
Sorry for the language, I just could not resist.
No sig for now.
Shouldn't /. take the initiative and post Coral cache links to these poor articles?
Is this news? Or is this some kid trying to stress test / plug his crap website? Dear Kez: you got slashdotted in 20 seconds flat. Your website sucks.
Too bad they didn't use it on their servers; because they are probably on fire right now due to /.'ing
they could use one on their server right now
10 ?"Hello World" life was simple then
Does it correct the HT bug ?
Running on the web server's CPU....SIZZLE!
Less than 10 posts and slashdotted already!
Anyone have a mirror?
(Preferably one actually USING a heatsink)
Change your name to Homer Junior! Your friends can call you Hoju
Didn't stop their server melting though did it?
I know, and it's not even on mirrordot.org yet either.
But it doesn't seem to have saved your from the slashdotting. Maybe we need a small moon sized heat sink to stop the servers bursting into flames?
I like muppets.
Putting the 'F' in TFA since 1998.
For all intensive porpoises your a bunch of rediculous loosers
No less than 30 seconds after being posted, and subsequent slashdotting, no fewer than eighteen posts immediately use the same stale joke as me about how they could use that heatsink.
We are a collectively sad bunch of nerds.
C'mon dude, it's been said time and time again that size doesn't matt....GOOD GOD! IT'S HUGE!
I know, Libraries of Congress and Number of Songs both fail here... but a simple measurement of the dimensions in miles will do.
For me speed is no longer the biggest selling point for a CPU.
It is on second place after power consumption.
The Internet is full. Go Away!!!
http://www.hexus.net.nyud.net:8090/content/reviews /review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMjE3
I think they need to put a heatsink on that thing, or it'll burn out in no time.
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Is there normally a really worthwhile benefit over an upgraded processor (with the savings from using a standard heatsink)? There's the noise too.
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Grilled cheese sandwich.
mmmm...
You can't talk about Wikipedia's flaws on Wikipedia
I think their web server just over heated....
This should be the link for the mirror.
Now let's start the "How slashdot should mirror before posting" thread.
Which is impressive. Either the Slashdot bandwidth usage is increasing, or there must be a lot more websites running on PC Jrs than I originally suspected.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
I don't know if it's the same, but it looks massive enough to be classified as a "behemot". (Did a google search)
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http://www.frostytech.com.nyud.net:8090/articlevi
It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it.
Okay, it's dead. We know that. So here's why it won't work:
1. They never give the coefficient of heat transfer. Without that vital bit of information, there's no reason to select it over a heatsink that you already have that's doing the job.
2. Note the lack of fans. Moving air is about 5x more efficient at transferring heat than still air. They could reduce the size of the sink just by adding some fans.
3. After calculating the size you require and doubling it, there's no point in adding more sinking. You're just wasting money and space.
4. I can't tell what metal it's made out of, but if they changed to a more efficient metal, then they'd be able to reduce the size without sacrificing ability.
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Is it equipped with enough life boats so when it hits the iceberg, half the boat will be left in the freezing water? Better yet, is it equipped with enough guns to smite Celine Dion before she releases another "hit"?
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Well, here's the Coral link.
s /review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMjE3
http://www.hexus.net.nyud.net:8090/content/review
But it is on the [working] Coral Cache
" Hey man! The MirrorDot page you are looking for is not here."
maybe we need a mirror for mirrordot?
No unauthorized use. Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.
You couldn't possibly fit a fan this big in any known case.
Coral link to article
Coral link direct to picture of fan
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The site has already been slashdotted so I havn't actually seen this thing, but is it any bigger than the heatsinks in a Mac?
Personally I'd like one of those giant heatsinks in my PC if it meant less fans or even really slow (hence quiet) fans.
What would be ideal is a heat pipe system that attaches to the side panel of the system case which would double as a heatsink. That would rock.
-kidlinux.
"It's long been known that Intel run a little hot, so Zalman have gone extreme with a cooling solution that finally does the biz.
Pumping an impressive 25 cubic metres of air per second Zalman are confident that the 'Big Boy Turbo Mega Fan 2' will be able to keep any Intel CPU, up to and including the Pentium 4 670 3.8GHz, running cool in even the warmest conditions.
Developed with the help of the British Aerospace wind tunnel engineers, the BBTMF can pump enough air to pop you double glazing out, so it comes with several precautionary notes, mainly involving the suction and loss of small pets whilst in the vicinity of your machine.
Drawing an impressive 1400Watts of power, Zalman include a full instruction booklet on how to daisy chain 5 300W PSU's together to power the fan, and you get 50 starter cartridges free to get it spinning in the first place. Of course, you'll need a serious case upgrade too, and we would recommend the CoolerMaster 821 Garage, which comes with a tasteful variety of electronic doors and leaves enough room for even the largest GFX cards in SLI and a Nissan Micra too."
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" Drawing an impressive 1400Watts of power, Zalman include a full instruction booklet on how to daisy chain 5 300W PSU's together to power the fan, and you get 50 starter cartridges free to get it spinning in the first place. Of course, you'll need a serious case upgrade too, and we would recommend the CoolerMaster 821 Garage, which comes with a tasteful variety of electronic doors and leaves enough room for even the largest GFX cards in SLI and a Nissan Micra too."
Ummm... This sounds like bad satire to me.
On a side note, these captchas are getting pretty hard to read. I'm all for them for stopping automated trolling, but geez. I have 20/20 vison, and it took me three tries to post this.
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Bet it's a Zalman. At two pounds, it's pretty hefty...
This heatsink technology could help Beijing to accelerate the development of computer technology for its military machine. We should subject this technology to tight export controls.
I've been passing this around for a while, trying to get it noticed without appearing to be a Karma whore:
:) I don't need the mod points, but I think this idea is important enough to be noticed, and this is really the only forum for which to discuss it. :\
How to fix the slashdot effect.
Any mod points would be hot.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
Not sure if this is the same thing, But it is a huge cooler from Zalman, and this link works!
it deserves to be Photoshopped with the 'all your base belong to us' phrase.
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Why buy a computer based off inferior Pentium 4 technology? My last PC was a Pentium 3 933, my next one will be a dual core Pentium M.
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I'm not sure why anyone even considers Pentium 4 anymore; everything about it is inferior. It's like buying a Yugo over a Honda.
I would even argue the Athlon64 is a little too hot compared to the Pentium M. It is only a few watts less than the Pentium 4 for consumption and dissipation even considering slightly higher performance.
Unless you must buy a PC today, forget it. This generation is toast. Wait only 6 months and P4 will be dead and nobody will know why we even bothered.
Perhaps if the utter airheads who operate NYUD actually ran their web server on the IANA mandated port 80, their site would actually be working.
Took me a bit to dig through the cache, but here's a pic: Zalman Big Cooler
That what was all this school was for... to teach us how to solve our own problems. -- janeowit
their salesman must of sold plenty of Zalman stuff to get that, maybe they already have the zalman pens, t-shirts and ceramic mugs
Everyone knows that expressing greater surface area is more important than size for heat dissipation. Simply making the fins thinner and folding them into crinkles should significantly improve performance of the heatsink. There is no need to make them this big.
I'm thinking a metalic design like currogated cardboard with air blown through the "tubes" between the layers should work very well. This would fit in well with a pass through fan design pushing air from the front of the case to the back right through the tubes. Just align the heatsink properly and go. No more need for seperate, big CPU fans mounted right onto the heatsink.
-Rusty
The Master (Angelo Rossitto) in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, "Not shit, energy!"
Quite massive indeed
http://www.overclockers.ru/hardnews/18976.shtml
The article text:
http://www.uiaa.org/urbana/illinoisalumni/images/0 402_sculpting3.jpg
Mirror here
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
"Developed with the help of the British Aerospace wind tunnel engineers"
If by "developed" they mean they ripped out the wind tunnel fan and called it a day, then yes.
This guy obviously didn't see the pictures of the radiator from a Toyota Camry connected to heat pipes on a CPU (sorry, too lazy to look for link). Now THAT was big. :)
Now THAT is a fan.
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I gotta think if this were "real" there'd be concerns about the sheer weight of the rig.
Normal sized Zalman heatsinks come with a warning about exceeding the recommended mass that intel sanctions as appropriate to be placing on top of their sillicon, can't imagine what the warning would be like on this thing. Do not taunt "big boy flower heatsink"
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C'mon, sure this didn't start out on fark.com???
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Frankly, it sounds like communism to me.
I feel like a karma whore, but I've been trying to draw attention to this with little success over the last few days:
Fix for the slashdot effect
I think this would solve the issue outright.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
A mock up for a computer show.
If you look in the background of the picture, it looks like there are Zalman posters hanging up, like you'd have at a booth. Made much smaller, they might have an interesting idea for an effective CPU cooler (as Zalman has come up with some pretty neat ideas over the years, I'd almost expect something like this for them). The text is just for fun.
I'd assume everyone on here would understand humor when they saw it....but....
Chris Knight is my hero.
This is the heat sink you are looking for
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Attack of the Clones
there is a huge (real) heatsink that is amazing: Thermalright's XP-120
Won't fit on all motherboards in all cases, but it has fit in most of the machines I've built, and the performance is amazing. I suggest a panaflo low or high speed fan (120mm) with it for a super quiet or super cool solution (respectively).
"The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw."
This is realy just a Marlboro Menthol Light ad.
But I'd really like to see that heat sink hooked up to a bong. No more messing with ice.
Does anyone remember the first Pentium IV heatsinks? IIRC they were 1 lb (that's 454 grams) solid aluminum (alumium) I've been looking for one for a while.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
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Mirrordot does not have a mirror but I've linked it in case they manage to get one up.
So it's just a plug for submitter's humor site. Mmk. Next time make sure the server's ready for it first, at least...
I can't wait to stick this on a desktop case and make a hole in for it stick out. Chrome the pipes, put a nice 70' red Camaro paint job on the case and I am done...
This thing has got to be a joke of course, but a joke at the consumer's expense. No wonder zalman's stuff is all so expensive, since they spend the money they make on stupid jokes like this.
Hmm... 25 cubic meters per second of airflow.
;)
Let's say the volume of the smallest cylinder that contain the fan would be 1 liter (using round numbers here). With five fan blades, that would mean that the fan could move 5 liters of air per revolution.
That would mean something like 5000 revolutions per second.
Ok, so the radius of the fan is something like 0.1 meter (round numbers remember), giving approximately a peripheral speed of 3000 meters per second.
That's around mach-10.
Somehow I doubt the "Quiet CPU Cooler" sticker on the fan is going to hold true.
Nah, wait, somehow I just doubt a few of the numbers there
Emmm, have you been living under a rock for the past three years? We do that as well!! As for developing military tech, name a US innovation that wasn't related to warfare...you're using one RIGHT NOW!
http://www.yafetica.com/heatsink/tfa.html
It's seriously time to start looking at a different chip design.
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This seems kind of like a joke.... who could possibly use this in their box?
There's an optimal size for a heatsink based on the energy to be dissipated. If a heatsink is too large, it will actually be less efficient than a correctly sized one. It's not exactly a correct way to explain it, but you can think of the heat sink itself kind of like an insulator if it's too large.
That's no heatsink... that's a battle station!
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The cops thought I was drunk when I reported I saw that flying over my house one night!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Found it!
On a side note, these captchas are getting pretty hard to read. I'm all for them for stopping automated trolling, but geez. I have 20/20 vison, and it took me three tries to post this.
Log in before you comment instead of using the comment form to log in. I stay logged on, and I have no damned idea what these captchas everyone's talking about are.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Anyways... nice photoshopping, Mr. Hexus! This is a hoax, buddies! - To big to fit any case! - not shown on zalman website - propeller looks like the one on my desk... coolin me ;) (eg. wrong airodynamics)
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Looks like he's compensating for something!
Not only does your fan spin faster, so does your electric meter!
I might know what I'm talkin' about, but then again, this is Slashdot...
...just really tiny cigarettes?
OK, I know this is more of a joke than anything, but seriously, 1400 Watts? Umm, for a fan? The big-ass box fans only use like 60 Watts. The shear physical size is funny, no doubt. But claiming 1400W is just silly, really.
from a few years back
That's no heat sink, it's a space station!
Life is like a web application. Sometime you need cookies just to get by.
Sir, where's the Pentium 5? We have the technology.
Agreed. Everyone knows the Tibetians are buddhist, not muslim.
Someone mentioned using a toyota radiator as a heat sink. They were too lazy to look up the link, so I did:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10
Well, maybe now! Everyone.
I've seen that model at a couple trade shows, it's a larger than life representation of what one of their smaller fans looks like
Mostly used as an attractor to their booth because it's big and shiny
like a poorman's booth girl
and no, it's not functional, just a big damned model
I must say that I am blown way by the size of that fan...
It's You and I against the World... When do we attack?
...shiny metal ass
Technoli
That would be '-1, Redundant' you're thinking of.
On the whole, I've been unimpressed with Coral's performance. It has never, in my experience, been faster (and is often slower) to go to a site---Slashdotted or not---using Coral. And even after waiting for the page to load through Coral, going back to it ten minutes later makes no improvement.
Someone let me know when Coral starts actually being useful.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
"It is on second place after power consumption."
Well you'll know when you're using too much electricity. The electric cpmpany will ask you if you want to be charged industrial rates.
Do you want high power consumption (for bragging rights) or low power consumption (to be enviro-friendly, cheap, etc.)?
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April Fools
This thing is fake.
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So posting a:
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This your answer to the slashdot effect? A bold new concept!
Strangely enough, I'm getting 503 Service Unavailable when I attempt to read your linked journal entry. Does this mean you've actually slashdotted Slashdot? The mind boggles.
Everyone knows that expressing greater surface area is more important than size for heat dissipation. Simply making the fins thinner and folding them into crinkles should significantly improve performance of the heatsink.
At last we know the real reason for the convolutions of the human brain: to improve its performance as a heat sink.
Nah, not Tibet. Just Iraq, Cuba, Afganistan and the UK to name a few. In many of those countries, you have a foreign military overthrowing an existing government for strategic gain and profit. Hmm. Basically, an American bitching about Tibet is the pot calling the kettle black.
It would seem that the US has a different view of what torture is to the rest of the planet. Provided you don't draw blood (physical torture), anything goes, including religious torture (forced nakedness for Arabs), sexual torture (being forced to jerk off other men), psychological torture (sleep derpivation and intimidation) and loud rock music played 24/7 in cargo containers in desert heat.
Oh, how much fun it must be to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time when the yanks come looking for the coloured people again. No trial, no lawyers, no representation, no Geneva convention. When are you going to wake up to the fact that you aren't the good guys anymore; that stopped when you allowed big business to control the entire electoral and political spectrum.
After realizing that whatever money I saved by buying a cheaper proc and overclocking to the next stepping would be eaten up by the added costs of an upgraded cooling solution, I took this advice. My system now runs cooler and quiter, cheaper, and I really don't miss the extra 5 FPS in my games.
Proud member of the American Non Sequitur Society. We might not make much sense, but boy do we love pizza!
Actually it's a lot simpler than that. If the "editors" at Slashdot would get off their asses they can whip together 2 perl scripts in 2 days that will pre-download the pages to which an article links and host them on Slashdot (ala Google's cached version)... Simple but probably not gonna happen.
The US hasn't been using torture as a means of political repression, punishment and intimidation in Tibet for 3 years.
No, in this case its been Afghanistan, Irak, and Guantanamo for the last couple of years.
Before that, it was Nicaragua for a whole decade, and before that it was Vietnam, Korea, etc, etc,
meanwhile intel is trying to replace kitchen appliances like ovens, and toasters, with insanely hot processors.
Ah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is what they are doing, it finally starts making sense now.
I can just picture it, 5 years from now..
Buy the new and improved Intel toaster with the new P8 CPU. The most powerfull CPU you'll find in a toaster for the fastest and best toasting..
a pack of tiny cigs like that?
Did you see the pack of sigs in the backround!!!
O_O
I wonder how mounting it will be?
-Miniman
http://yourmominabox.com/
...and I can make a nice Hovercraft PC.
Huge, ginormious. See? It doesn't have to be in English.
Maybe I'm wrong but isn't that the best metal for thermal conductivity? It's a wee bit expensive sure, $10-12/oz right ? Hundred bucks should build a pretty solid heatsink.
OVERKILL.
and the UK
Congratulations on your +5. Amazing none of the mods picked up on that.
You'll have to find another way to compensate for your tiny penis. This model fan is apparently just that... a model. This guy says that the ginormous fan was just a model of the _real_ fans.
Amerika double plus bad!
An impressive photoshop I'll say, but it really is completely fake. Just compare the size of the base plate to the pack of cigs.
So wait, some guy expressing a US-bashing political opinion in a thread about A NEW HEATSINK gets +5 Insightful?
What happened to -37, So Absurdly Offtopic It's Not Even Funny?
Only on Slashdot can a story about CPU heatsinks be turned into a flame against the US. As an American, I feel you should just get over your jealosy and just eat my hairy ass. The people who have committed such acts, or approved of them should be punished. That doesn't mean the entire country as a whole is bad. And just because I think you are a narrowminded nitwit doesn't mean I think your entire country is..
At any other time in human history the US would have simply rolled over the rest of these countries and wiped out every single person without question.
That's just how it used to be done, forget trying to sort people out, it was a simple case of we're bgger so die you bastards!
Humanity is a luxury provided to you left wing morons by years of right wing nuts blowing the shit out of stuff.
I'm not an American, I don't live in America but in the consideration of history I feel very blessed that they haven't (used their right as more powerful to) killed the rest of us at will for any reason.
You would be multiplying /.'s bandwidth bills exponentially by doing that.
That's why they don't handle it this way.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
Actually, web sites that cannot stand Slashdotting are badly designed. Ace's Hardware survived a Slashdotting using a single ~500MHz UltraSPARC II server, running Java no less.
I think people just don't realize how powerful even an ancient CPU is at pushing data, when it isn't running GNOME. Think about it, whole companies ran data centers on systems less powerful than a $400 PC not twenty years ago.
Nn enormous schwanzstucker?
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
For those of you who have no idea what thermal resistance is, just think of this heat sink as "overkill" even for overclocking.
(for overclocking, power dissipation is directly related to frequency. 10% faster is 10% more power to get rid of and most processors will not go twice as fast anyhow!)
For those mechanical engineers who do packaging and stress and vibration analysis, aren't you glad this in not your project. The heat sink is not attached to the processor; the processor is attached to the heatsink, and heaven only knows how the motherboard is attached to the processor. But, damn, don't it looks good!
Seriously, I see all kinds of mechanical problems here with packaging, but since I have no idea what the design requirements were, I have to say that it does look impressive. See it here http://www.geocities.com.nyud.net:8090/oculus42/za lman.html
It's funny seeing crap like this modded up by the slashdrones to +5 insightful when it actual fact its +5 mindless droning.
If you really think 500 or so guys held on a base in Cuba, regularly visited by the red cross, given culturally appropriate food, and given a wide degree of religious accomodation (much accomodation than you'd be giving a christian complaining about someone saying "jesus fucking christ" to pick an easy example), because they are genuinely considered an extreme threat (with at least some evidence to back it up) is so diabolically evil then you have problem recognising things of minute proportion (and i'm not just talking about your dick size).
The fact that over two hundred have been released is proof of the efforts the US is taking to actually detain only those considered a real threat. And when you look at some of those released (eg the Danish guy http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3704176.stm ) you must really wonder about those still detained.
The "torture" is minimal and mild, going by both the actual claims and those admitted, and even those are seriously investigated. You get worse in most jails across the planet.
When are you going to wake up to the fact that you aren't the good guys anymore; that stopped when you allowed big business to control the entire electoral and political spectrum.
... that you weren't so goddamn spot on. This administration's recursive quest to kill everyone who hates is making everyone hate us.
Speaking as a lifelong citizen of the United States and military veteran, I wish
Argh...too many words, shorten your idea by a scale of ten, then we'll talk.
WTF!! the US does have people held without trial in the UK, and lots of other places who are willing to turn a blind eye for it. And if the country objects, just ship them off to a country where no one gives a damn and the people just disappear.
The folx I work with often enjoy sending IM's back and forth with alternate captions for pictures we find on the internet.
I propose an alternate caption for the picture:
"Apple solves cooling problem for the G5 PowerBook; some details remain to be worked out, however."
Now someone photoshop (or gimp) a wind farm turbine onto a PC case and put it up as an example of Xtreme Fan Kooling Teknologee.
Baz
No matter how cold it may keep it; putting something that heavy on top of the CPU can't be good for it.
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Just cut and paste the link into your browser: http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dX JsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMjE3
Website works fine then, never seen a site just block all slashdot connections...new to me...
I see you have been reading Young Sparticus.
I don't know people. Looks like it's been photoshopped. Notice, how word "hexus.net" is overlapping other objects. It appears just as if it was put there AFTER the picture was taken.. Any thoughts?
Heatsink fins are limited by fin efficiency . Consider two fins. Both are the same width and thickness. One fin is 1 cm long. The other fin is 100 cm long. The 100 cm fin will not have 100 times the ability to get rid of heat, because the heat has a hard time getting to the end of the fin.
The faster the airflow over the heatsink, the shorter the fin must be before it becomes inefficient.
Well, that's nice, but running at 1.4 kilowatts, you'll want another one to cool your array of five PSUs. Of course, that would mean five more PSUs, needing another one of these, and so on....
This could be a brilliant new marketing technique--a product whose use requires the purchase of more of itself....
--Ariston
--Ariston
"I'm never wrong--sometimes reality just disagrees with me."
Maybe it's just me, but when I look at this monolith of CPU cooling, there's only one quote that pops into my mind, and for some reason, seems strangely appropriate...
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"My God, it's full of stars!"
Now if only someone would open this damned airlock..
I just want to take over the world...Why does that automatically make me EVIL?
Aside from the terrible drain that would put on slashdot itself...
There is a huge legal issue involved with mirroring sites. Even if you wait for the author (victim) of the site to give his written consent, you then run into the issues of decreasing the "click value" of the hosting server as far as advertisments are concerned, the posibility that the author was not responsible for all content on the page, etc.
Ask CmdrTaco sometime. He once gave my fellow nerds and I a brief rant on why it's not happening, and I assume not much will change until copyright laws change.
>> Standing on head makes smile of frown, but rest of face also upside down.
It looks like it belongs at home in one of these: - something that legitimately needs multiple 6" blowers for cooling.
Haha. I didn't think there was anyone left who still hasn't seen the pictures.
That is 50 years of darkness on the good name of America, sir. How dare you act as an apologist for this. Your back of the class attitude about how you treat people accused of a crime is positively Soviet.
It will take us generations to recover from the damage done by people who think like you, who actually through some calamity achieved a position of authority in the once-respected U.S. military.
You think this sort of thing helps catch terrorists? No, it fucks the whole bloody process up. It gives terrorists what they want. It actually creates terrorists.
So let me say it clearly. You are not a real American.
You may as well move to China.
Communism sounds more like your speed, if you like totalitarian rule so much.
The U.S. is a free country, and we don't like your kind (freedom haters) here.
Oh, are these photos "just an isolated incident?" Post your phone number. I want to sell you the Golden Gate bridge.
Go on, last word is yours. Dig your hole deeper.
You do know we could use that heat over in them third world countries!!! No heatsinks for us.. no sirree
My UID is prime... is yours?
Why don't submitters get the stories on a mirror first and then link the stories to the mirrors?
And if you didn't think it was going on beforehand then you sir are blinded by your own hatred. The fact of the matter is that in war bad things happen. In peacetime bad things happen. This is not new or unique to the US.. The real issue here is that our unique stance on freedom of press does not allow the government to sanitize the media as it does in other countries. I in turn say that there is much more blood on the hands of those who did nothing while watching Saddam gassing his own people, and at the same time being paid large sums of money via the "Oil for food" farce. I'm not saying the US is without fault. We aren't perfect, but then no country will ever be.
Go up the chain to see what it was in response to. Go on; I dare you! :-)
I fully agree with you actually. There was no relevance for politics in this thread, however I took offence to a racist, hypocritical post and felt compelled to respond.
I want to know!
I guess the /. editors sorta didn't notice that it's a marketing model, not a real HSF. I guess the FA's humor was a little too tongue in cheek for them. Or, for that matter, for everyone else who thinks that Zalman is really selling an HSF that's larger than most every case on the market.
/. are pretty low, but this doesn't even approach them. Sigh...
So much for news...my expectations for
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Is this the first hint that Zalman has merged with Pfizer, makers of Viagra?
You know I can think of worse things than being naked with a bag on my head and having Lindy England or whatever her name was pointing at my dick while my anonymous photo is taken.
Thanks for posting the pictures you idiot, the dead one with the disfigured head is from Saddams torture chambers and at least one of the pictures is from Chechnya.
And yet you just mindlessly post the link - you really are that stupid.
The picture of the guy with the bag on his head and his hands up in the air attached to fake electrodes was told if he fell off the box he'd be electrocuted so yes that's psychological torture of a sort, but was punishment for being disruptive if I remember correctly. Fantastic no, but rather mild when it comes to the torture pyramid. Like I said you get worse in most prisons in the world. AND in the case of abu graib it was not in any way approved of and those guilty of the abuses are being prosecuted.
You are correct though, i'm not american - i'm european - and you probably don't want to hear it since you seem to have convinced yourself that the USA is the evilest country on the planet but it's not, not even close.
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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050525/pentium4- 19.html
As you can see the P4 based workstation can consume up to 250W on cpu-only tests (no graphics). It's a dead-end.
Andrew
Oh and while i'm here I may as well say the following:
All the crap about "it doesnt help stop terrorists it helps create terrorists" is for the gullible weak minded. It's the cry of the do nothing brigade.
You have got to crack eggs to make an omlete. This is not a war against islam, it was a war against the main terrorist state (in the case of Afghanistan) and a war to clear out one of the main causes of middle east instability (both implicit and explicit) in the case of Iraq. Both of these are important steps if you were serious about addressing what was a growing islamic anti-west radicalism. Remeber WTC had been a target before Bush was in, and there had been at least one case of a nightclub being bombed in germany by a radical islamic group also before 9/11.
No article even! I love posts with pictures only, fucking rocks!
I read your journal entry.
.torrents for the bundled files. It could be an automated spider that, as soon as a new article gets posted, follows the article link, makes a copy of everything (and everything that is one link deep, and any link that says "next page" or "more" etc.), and then seeds a new torrent that everyone with the extension running will automatically join. It could work, but someone needs to program this thing, and then someone has to host the spiderprogram+torrenttracker.
It's a good idea... but of course there are problems with it. For instance, pages with ads. Yes, they can't prevent you from using AdBlock. However, they would rather you not see the page than see a version of it that doesn't contribute to their click-through monitoring statistics. Many sites have 'free' content only because they want eyeballs to see ads on their sites. They would prefer to be utterly slashdotted for a few hours, and have all those geeks come back afterwards and glance at the ads. So most web-sites would invoke "copyright!" claims in order to prevent you from mirroring their content so agressively. This means that slashdot (a corporate entity don't forger) would not be able to openly endorse this idea. Nothing stops users from implemeting it anyway, but I highly doubt that slashdot will help out (similar reasons explain why slashdot doesn't automatically include links to mirrors for all its stories, even though these mirrors usually exist).
Another thing to consider is browsing habits. From your journal, it sounds like you have a single computer that you use all day, and that you use to check slashdot. Alot of us, however, switch from computer to computer in a networked environment... others still sit down to read slashdot, open up their browser, and want to read it RIGHT AWAY. Waiting for torrents to download and exchange is somewhat better than not getting the page at all... but most people won't be able to have their browser "pre-fetch" all the slashdot articles as you suggested.
Lastly, those who post stories (and the editors) are currently too lazy to run a spell check before submitting. I think human laziness will similarly prevent them from linking properly to all 5 pages in an article.
But I still think it's a good idea for a Firefox extension, as long as it doesn't require slashdot to do anything. Someone would have to host a simple website that lists slashdot article #'s with associated
Search on Google News for "sudan" and please shut the fuck up. These "evil" things are HAPPENING RIGHT NOW elsewhere. Saddam did them decades ago, with your support I might add.
There's no profit to be had in Sudan though.
That thing is PERFECT! A big nasty fan like that will solave all my overclocking needs.
.torrent for it?
Where can I get the
1400 watts? I stopped to ask myself if they were heating the CPU, or cooling it.
i bet that UltraSparc II, has a hell of a lot mor harddisk bandwidth/more ram for a ram disk to serve from... and a advanced chaching system to keep the heavly used content in ram for faster access. because i know my dual 300mhz P2 would have been down just as fast
All of the above was encrypted with a Quad ROT-13 method. Unauthorized decryption is in violation of the DMCA.
I think there are some people who are just gonna suffer no matter what they do. Does anyone remember the mechanical web hit counter that was linked to on slashdot back in the day? I just think that it's mechanically impossible for him to handle the slashdot effect.
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Although the metre is an SI unit, m^3 per minute is not considered "proper" becasue SECONDS is the standard base of measurement for time for all SI engineering units. If one second is not a reasonable amount of time for the application then it is prefixed like any other SI unit (microseconds, milliseconds, kiloseconds....). Stuff like "kilometres per hour" is commonly used metric but scientists wouldn't use that for the same reason--for them velocity is always metres per second.
/.!), the biggest heat sink that'll fit inside and six fans to coll that screamin' $80 mobo and Celeron CPU. Good thing that mobo has built in audio, video and LAN becasue the slots are blocked by all the other gear...
However you measure it though a "15 centimetre" fan that draws 1500 watts of power to cool a CPU is just stupid. Not sure if it is a slow news week for nerds but it seems the stories are getting silly (still a good laugh though). This CPU cooler would be good for the guy who buys that dumb "type R" PSU that was featured earlier. It seems the PC-modder crowd is seeing more and more "rice boxes" out there.
I can picture it now..."cool" nerd going a LAN party, driving a brightly painted Civic with that screaming 115HP motor, windows tinted almost opaque with 18" wheels on a goofy camber due to the chopped springs/hack lowering job and glowing neon and red "R" stickers all over the place.
In the passenger seat sits his 'leet gamer PC (the trunk is full of amps and speakers). It is an amazing construction of aluminum, plexiglass, neon and silver and gold Tremclad housing a type R power supply (as advertised on
Just a word of advice...if you "pimp your ride", then "pimp your PC" to match your ride, it is time to seek therapy.
I replace my CPU and one small case fan by two large case fans and a Thermaltake Fanless 103.
Noise goes from loud to nothearable. Temperature from an average 35 to 39 degrees while pov-rendering (P4 3.2GHz)
That was the best investment I made (noise wise). If only the DVD-Rom was more silent (yes, I made it spin as slow as possible when whatching DVDs, still, I can hear it.)
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IIRC, it was an UltraSPARC IIe or one of the newer rehashed UltraSPARC IIi chips. These are low end, low cost, modest performance systems. We're talking PC133 RAM and IDE disks, here, not SunFire uniboards with gigs of RAM or anything like that.
It's just a miniature pack of cigarettes.
-Bb
That whooshing noise is the sarcasm screaming by your feeble brain.
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My sites are hosted by a hosting company, I don't even know how many sites are on that machine.
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So what are you doing to help it? It's still going on, has been for months.. What's the UN doing about it? Nadda, zilch, zip.. I think you talk a good talk, but when it comes down to it, you'd rather just let all the poorer nations of the world starve and kill themselves. Instead of directing hatred to the US, do something usefull and put all that energy into helping the less fortunate. The sudan being a good example.. Rawanda? How about the tsunami victims? You act as if the US does nothing good in this world, I think you are mistaken.
I agree with the above statement,
But twenty years ago... how much bandwidth was avaliable to the general public?
I'll be glad to stick a PII 350 running a barebones *NIX webserver with Java any day, but only if my pipe is any less than a OC-1.
Let's just think about how many people would be required to flood such a link.....
I'll be generous here, and say that most people using broadband have about a 2Mbps connection. A normal sized webpage usually runs about 30-75kb (including advertising and thumbnails).
The page is probably cached in RAM, so I'm ignoring hard drive bottlenecks. Even at 75kbs, a 2Mbps connection can pull that page in about 3.5 seconds. Thanks to the checks and balances of TCP, an ACK packet must be resent back to the server. (This is not a knock, just a comment). Going back to the example: An OC-1 connection is quickly flooded by 26 people connecting at the same time. I'm pretty sure this happens! 3.5 seconds later... everybody has their webpage.
Now in the real world, anywhere between 3k and 5k connect to a slashdot page at any given time. Granted, not all 5k connect at the same time, but I would venture to say that about 300 people connect in the same 3 second window. That right there is about 600Mbps downspeed. Keep that flood going, and you'll be lucky if the first 50 people get their ACK packets back to the server to keep feeding them data.
Is TCP poorly designed. Largely, no. Possible solutions: UDP! Someone come up with a UDP standard for page viewing. Is this going to happen in the real world? No... probably not. I would hate to see some website improperly read because a packet didn't reach the destination and so there are holes in the transmission. How about smaller webpages? Five years ago... pages were not nearly as graphic heavy as they are now. Is it required? No. Will it go away. No.
Simple answer: Slashdot should have a rotation script that displays the link on a series of user accounts after a time period. Why not? They do it with paid users... why not just implement it into a time script. Would this take more processing power from Slashdot... you bet it would, but how much more? Think about how many websites might actually be able to be read by users...
Wait... do Slashdot users actually RFA?
Slashdot is a central hub for DDoS attacks. Forget Zombie networks.... post that page on Slashdot... and it's going down.
Just food for thought.
Maybe it even doesn't exist. Looks like an excellent candidate for the povray competition.
...it's a space station!
I've got a bad feeling about this.
Actually, web sites that cannot stand Slashdotting are badly designed.
/. started bringing linked sites to their knees it was run on relatively modest machines...and other very busy sites like rpmfind.net ran on servers built with leftover parts to handle amazingly big loads (most easily done with Apache running on Linux or BSD but even MS IIS isn't that bad--there is just a big OS overhead).
/. loads of traffic requires mainly intelligent caching and generous use of RAM, but MOST IMPORTANTLY you need a big fat pipe to the 'net. Those sites that fall over often would've been fine even on an entry level PC, except that they are hosted on a single machine with two dozen other dynamic sites sharing a 100MB connection, or perhaps they are hosted of a DSL or cable connection out of a home or small office. No amount of smart designing will prevent a small connection from saturating.
That isn't always the case. Even after
To handle
Mirror here.
So you basically just described an automotive radiator... you are a genious! That idea hasnt been around for nearly 100 years... oh wait, it has
I love google:
e rs+in+cubic+feet&btnG=Google+Search
enter the following into google search:
25 cubic meters in cubic feet
out comes:
25 (cubic meters) = 882.866668 cubic feet
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Right now? Do you mean the internet a dispersed segmented network with no central point of failure developed by DARPA? DARPA=Defense Advanced Research Project Agency sounds like a military technology but maybe I misunderstand the word Defense and the .mil extension is always a question if it really is Military ;p
As far as the past three years you have got to be kidding. You may not agree with why we went in but if anything we are very far and supportive for religious and political differences. Hell you were allowed to post a comment like this I guess in China they would have taken you and locked you a way for a few years.
Wyly
http://www.wylywade.com/blog/
Canada used to condone torture of its citizens but then Celine Dion took her show to Vegas.
Insted of modding this flamebait, maybe you should re-read it.
The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
That's a HUGE Bitch!
...it's not April 1st... Did someone at Hexus make a bet or something about a slashdotting?
Friend: "The NIC is misconfigured..." Me: "No prob, I'll just telnet in and fix it." *Silence*
I want the one on the left, and don't give me any crap about it being a display model!!! If you have a problem with that, give me a discount.
Party at O'zorgnax's Pub! Buy me a Slurmtini aye?
Seeing as the original reveiw was seen on the hexus.net website, do you think that that information might be relevant?
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
it uses 1400W power to run. Obviously you need performant cooling to keep that under control.
lol, Orwell would be proud!! :-)
Hell you were allowed to post a comment like this I guess in China they would have taken you and locked you a way for a few years.
True, but unpopular speach is getting a whole lot more unpopular, not just in the US. It scares me that China is getting "free-er" while we are getting more repressive and practically fasism minus the dictator part of it. Even that holds to some extent, with the whole lack of choice, corporate-approved, skull & bones alumni thing going on.
What an insulting and pointless thing to say. I'd rather let them starve? I just supported their cause by highlighting it to the hypocrites around here. Not a lot true, but something. Got any better ideas?
Instead of directing hatred to the US, do something usefull and put all that energy into helping the less fortunate.
I am, you know little about me. I live in Scotland, the next few months are going to be interesting.
You act as if the US does nothing good in this world, I think you are mistaken
The US, with other nations, does do good in the world. I'll still take personal offense when someone tries to claim moral high ground surrounding Iraq. It was a hostile corporate take-over, nothing more. I'll also hit back if any American ever mentions torture WRT to another country. You guys wrote the book and trained half of these despots.
Yeah, like they naked guy shielding his genitals from the raging dog. Or the naked twister shot. Or being told you have to hold your arms out indefinatly else be electrocuted and die.
but was punishment for being disruptive if I remember correctly.
Yeah, he probably said something like "I didn't do anything, I want a lawyer". I'd be distruptive under those conditions.
in the case of abu graib it was not in any way approved of and those guilty of the abuses are being prosecuted.
If that's what allows you to sleep at night. If you want to stay up late, try finding out the truth, they were "just following orders". Didn't work for the Nazi's, so it's good they are being prosecuted. However this goes WAY higher and all that's changed is cameras are banned.
seem to have convinced yourself that the USA is the evilest country on the planet but it's not, not even close.
Of course not, I can think of a few other nuclear powers that are far worse on every level. However, the US claims to be clean and upstanding and this kind of bullshit cannot be allowed to stand. This coming from someone who actually likes the nice America and would like to see it back.
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First take the radiator out a '74 Buick 455 CID...
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Yeah, like they naked guy shielding his genitals from the raging dog. Or the naked twister shot. Or being told you have to hold your arms out indefinatly else be electrocuted and die.
Yeah not particularly pleasant as I said, but also rather mild when it comes to "torture".
Yeah, he probably said something like "I didn't do anything, I want a lawyer". I'd be distruptive under those conditions.
I doubt it. You kid yourself that people like Lindy England were are anything other than undertrained (in the art of keeping a jail) people who let themselves and their country down albeit not worthy of the self-flagellation that's been going on about it.
If that's what allows you to sleep at night. If you want to stay up late, try finding out the truth, they were "just following orders". Didn't work for the Nazi's, so it's good they are being prosecuted. However this goes WAY higher and all that's changed is cameras are banned.
Haha. Yeah yet another conspiracy theory: the prez and rumsfeld at the whitehouse passing word down the chain "get that lindy england to stand and point at the genitals of some hooded and naked prisoners, that should be good for a laugh", "oh and make sure the pictures get leaked, thats a vital part of our plans for world domination".
What utter crud. It's blatantly obvious it's just fairly low level failure. What on earth would be the point of ordering that kind of minor misdemeanour ? It really is nothing but your wet dream that this went higher than the prison commander.
However, the US claims to be clean and upstanding and this kind of bullshit cannot be allowed to stand.
Oh do they really ? Hardly, at least half the population seems to be involved in self flagellation over the next to nothing - desperate to prostrate themselves in apology over some zionist/born again christian/catholic anti abortion christian/corporate america/oil lobby/lizard/gun lobby machiavelian cabals attempt to rule the world. And they are proving their intentions by taking out two of the most problematic rogue states on the planet. Yeah right it makes so much sense now.
Bandwidth isn't much of a problem if the website's size is kept in check. I have DSL, and some sites still take a minute or more to display, because of so many crappy graphics, javascript, and tables. These web designers need to be sent for a long walk on a short plank, IMO.
A 1Mbit/s connection can serve hundreds of simultaneous downloads--it's just that the website's page can't be more than, say, 100KB total. The total website can be bigger, just doled out in small chunks with information structured to minimize redundant downloads and easy navigation.
Dude, the whole thing is fake.
I'm not sure if this even made sense. If you are disputing the fact that the internet was a military project then you're wrong. If you're not then disregard this comment.
As far as the past three years you have got to be kidding. You may not agree with why we went in but if anything we are very far and supportive for religious and political differences. Hell you were allowed to post a comment like this I guess in China they would have taken you and locked you a way for a few years.
You must be living under a rock if you don't know that the US has been implementing and quitely supporinting torture. Do the countries Cuba, Iraq, and Syria ring a bell? Of course the US government didn't cut people's heads off on TV so that makes them immune to criticism in some people's eyes.
Time makes more converts than reason
Is terrorism a casual product of entropy, or did anything cause it?
For every guy like you that says "war is fine if they [in my personal view] they started it", there is at least another guy like me who would like to see problems solved instead of innocents being murdered because of lack of intelligence from Humanity as a whole. And for every 1000 guys like me there's at least fifty who think that "the US got what they deserved on 9/11", and some other guy who would have been involved in 9/11 if he had had the chance to do so.
Sorry about the made up stats, but try to get the idea. No war will ever bring peace.
My english is sow-sow. Sowhat?
What an insulting and pointless thing to say. I'd rather let them starve? I just supported their cause by highlighting it to the hypocrites around here.
Look out world, someone is taking a stand on the internet.
That depends entirely on the content of the website. If it's mostly static content, of course it should survive. If it's entirely dynamically generated, and if it's only running on a single machine (no machines caching content) then it's perfectly reasonable for it to be overloaded by the sheer number of hits.
Of course you could configure your server to limit the maximum number of users, and serve up a "Please Wait..." page when you're getting bogged-down, but that's not REALLY surviving, though it's certainly a good idea.
Yes, because the story was posted at 3am or so.
Then they wrote a story about how they survived a slashdotting, the slashdot story was posted mid-day, and their server went crashing down...
I certainly do, and I know their limitations as well. If you max-out a 100Mbps NIC, older machines will slow to a crawl because of the interrupt storm alone (FreeBSD now has NIC polling to solve this problem--though it has other limitations). Serving up content from a database at the same time isn't easy.
With newer machines, the bottleneck is almost always MySQL. Put MySQL under heavy load and it just turns to goo, whereas Postgres handles heavy-load really well. You can reduce the load by caching, assuming your data isn't really dynamic, but that doesn't really solve the problem.
Gee, 20 years ago would be 1985, when people were on DOS machines, dialing-in to compuserve on their 2400 baud modems... There are probably more people clicking on a link on slashdot today, than there were users of the internet 20 years ago. In addition, today almost everyone has the bandwidth of a T-1 in their homes, so the speed with which you are expected to serve data is astronomically higher.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
How about we just agree to dissagree.. The horse has been long dead, and we are still standing over it with clubs.
Nah---I've just been around for a long while, and I remember to hit 'post anonymously' when I decide to go a-trolling.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Granted, having decided to stop smoking this weekend, things have been a bit tense. Therefore, I am willing to concede that it might have only been yesterday, as the article contends, when I first saw this.
But, isn't this a dupe, word for word, from some time ago?
"The gushing critics are complete liars."
The same is true for The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy movie, too. That movie was sheer pain interrupted by a few slight chuckles. Even the ending botched the whole idea behind the restaurant at the end of the universe.
How is Google able to cache almost anything on the internet? I agree about the bandwidth costs, though...