Kids may be young and a bit naïve, but they aren't dumb. All those big headlines about moving everything to India, Philippines over the last 20 years, and the utter lack of entry positions in big companies IT departments in the west would lead to this.
Honestly how can anyone be surprised?
That is the joke of STEM, all those jobs are quickly, and easily outsourced, so why bother?
Well the 80386 brought us the best stuff from the IBM 370 (which was way cooler than the 360) to the masses. First we got v86 mode, so we can run 8086 virutal machines at full 386 speed! And demand paging, for virtual memory!
It really was a major shift in computing power, as now the pc was capable of doing things that Mainframes, and mini's could only do. Look at Windows/386 and Xenix for the 386 in action. Virtual machines and a 32bit UNIX on the desktop. awesome stuff.
Well 64kb for the BIOS+BASIC, 64KB for video, and then people wanted network card ROMS's, SCSI ROMS, EMS pages, and even more crap. The 384kb window was pretty small too.
1MB was too small for a 16bit processor, it's more so Intel's fault. And IBM for not selecting the 68000 processor which had a much larger 24bit (16MB) address space capability. But knowing IBM, they would have gone with the 68008, which had an 8bit data bus for those glorious 8bit ISA slots, and was available in a 20bit address variant, because 1MB is more than enough.
But heck in CP/M land we were trying to squeeze by in 64kb. 640kb a 10x improvement seemed astronomical.
The move from 32bit to 64bit hasn't felt as earth shattering though, I mean it's nice having 16GB of ram directly accessible, but I just wind up running a bunch of 32bit stuff that can get a full 2GB of space (since the 640kb grew into 64MB with early 386's, then 512M, now Windows NT split the 4GB 50/50 and when 2GB wasn't enough 'enterprise' gave us 3GB, and shrunk hardware to a single GB, now in 64bit space we can have 128GB of ram (and growing). But people want to map their video cards 100% into processor space, which grows just as fast. Considering VGA worked in 64kb (EGA/CGA/MDA in much less), now video cards with 4GB aren't that uncommon.
You are leaving out the A20 gate bug aka the HMA, the top 64kb of the 1MB space, and of course 286/386 protected mode, VCPI and DPMI.
DOS Extenders were far more useful than EMS ever was. As the memory access was 100% transparent.
What is even more crazy is that 16bit 286 based dos extenders are still for sale! (http://www.tenberry.com/dos16m/index.html). Clearly there is a market for 16bit programs with a large address space. Oddly enough the same company also made DOS4/GW which was royalty free for Watcom users. This gave us DOOM, and Duke3d!
PharLap had a much nicer extender, but it was more expensive and you had to pay royalties for ever unit shipped.
Windows 3.0 ended up being the most popular dos extender of them all, as everyone had it, and it had a much more feature rich runtime environment.
well the 286 could swap, but it was in 64kb chunks, but the 386 could page in nice 4k pages. And it allows for a nice 4GB address space, so yeah until late 1987 everything revolved around 64kb and multiples of it.
Sadly DOS extenders cost a fortune back in '87-88 so we never got a 386 version of wordstar.
MS Word revolved around the 286 until MS Word 6 for Windows NT (not to be confused with normal word 6). And word 6 for NT even came in a DEC Alpha flavour, because you know word processing at 200Mhz++
The alternative is someone who bought Word for Windows 2.0 back in the day for $495, and doesn't want to use anything else, because A that was a LOT OF FREAKING MONEY back then, and B it does what they need it to do, and they don't see any point in upgrading, because with enough messing around you can keep it going on and on forever.
and heck with a dedicated VM, it runs more stable (all alone) than it ever did.
Well there is always PCem, http://pcem-emulator.co.uk/... which does a fantastic job of emulating 8086/80286/80386/80486 based systems. The only downside is you need to use windows, so that would be part of the 'distraction' factor.
Now if it could be ported to EUFI, then you could turn that brand new 3.3Ghz core i7 into a 286-16 with 1MB of ram so you can wordstar like there is no tomorrow....
lol are they smoking this isn't 1974 with the release of Intel's 8080. Who are they kidding, this is just more people looking for.gov handouts dressed up in "professional development", and all the other jazz that comes with US government contracts.
Good grief.
Then you'd miss stuff like 1-2-3 diskettes and unformatted blocks.
For old crap you really only get one shot at reading it, as it'll all rot away. Best to make the best possible image. And with 6TB disks shipping really what is the excuse?
I wish I had mod points.. but you are dead on, the demo scene was where talent lied, and just look at these 'wharholian' pieces. a copy/pasted eye, the campbell soup can (one hit wonder) done by a drunken 3yr old, and some pasted video capture of him reading the instructions. yawn.
hearbeats just exposed their faulty malloc replacement. so who knows what else is lurking, and all the more reason to remove cruft like VMS. HP's EOL'd it, just let it die already.
if Window x64 could easily run win16 applications I'd still be using Word 2.0c.. I still don't see any compelling reason to 'upgrade'.. Although Word 6 for Windows NT works perfectly fine for me.
I've been using a 2006 Mac Pro "hacked" by using it's Windows bootloader to load up a hackintosh loader to run 10.8..
Besides adding ram, disks and a better video card, I haven't seen any compelling reason to buy a new one..
but from all the hackintosh stuff I've ever done, the mac pro makes the best "hackintosh" as it is a real mac once you get the OS loaded up...
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But it's always been about "and more" ..
Kids may be young and a bit naïve, but they aren't dumb. All those big headlines about moving everything to India, Philippines over the last 20 years, and the utter lack of entry positions in big companies IT departments in the west would lead to this.
Honestly how can anyone be surprised?
That is the joke of STEM, all those jobs are quickly, and easily outsourced, so why bother?
Great, so use a RS232 terminal with a paper tty?
Well the 80386 brought us the best stuff from the IBM 370 (which was way cooler than the 360) to the masses. First we got v86 mode, so we can run 8086 virutal machines at full 386 speed! And demand paging, for virtual memory!
It really was a major shift in computing power, as now the pc was capable of doing things that Mainframes, and mini's could only do. Look at Windows/386 and Xenix for the 386 in action. Virtual machines and a 32bit UNIX on the desktop. awesome stuff.
Well 64kb for the BIOS+BASIC, 64KB for video, and then people wanted network card ROMS's, SCSI ROMS, EMS pages, and even more crap. The 384kb window was pretty small too.
1MB was too small for a 16bit processor, it's more so Intel's fault. And IBM for not selecting the 68000 processor which had a much larger 24bit (16MB) address space capability. But knowing IBM, they would have gone with the 68008, which had an 8bit data bus for those glorious 8bit ISA slots, and was available in a 20bit address variant, because 1MB is more than enough.
But heck in CP/M land we were trying to squeeze by in 64kb. 640kb a 10x improvement seemed astronomical.
The move from 32bit to 64bit hasn't felt as earth shattering though, I mean it's nice having 16GB of ram directly accessible, but I just wind up running a bunch of 32bit stuff that can get a full 2GB of space (since the 640kb grew into 64MB with early 386's, then 512M, now Windows NT split the 4GB 50/50 and when 2GB wasn't enough 'enterprise' gave us 3GB, and shrunk hardware to a single GB, now in 64bit space we can have 128GB of ram (and growing). But people want to map their video cards 100% into processor space, which grows just as fast. Considering VGA worked in 64kb (EGA/CGA/MDA in much less), now video cards with 4GB aren't that uncommon.
It's a never ending race.
You are leaving out the A20 gate bug aka the HMA, the top 64kb of the 1MB space, and of course 286/386 protected mode, VCPI and DPMI.
DOS Extenders were far more useful than EMS ever was. As the memory access was 100% transparent.
What is even more crazy is that 16bit 286 based dos extenders are still for sale! (http://www.tenberry.com/dos16m/index.html). Clearly there is a market for 16bit programs with a large address space. Oddly enough the same company also made DOS4/GW which was royalty free for Watcom users. This gave us DOOM, and Duke3d!
PharLap had a much nicer extender, but it was more expensive and you had to pay royalties for ever unit shipped.
Windows 3.0 ended up being the most popular dos extender of them all, as everyone had it, and it had a much more feature rich runtime environment.
Nice. I hope you have BBS software and some modems... lots of modems.
well the 286 could swap, but it was in 64kb chunks, but the 386 could page in nice 4k pages. And it allows for a nice 4GB address space, so yeah until late 1987 everything revolved around 64kb and multiples of it. Sadly DOS extenders cost a fortune back in '87-88 so we never got a 386 version of wordstar. MS Word revolved around the 286 until MS Word 6 for Windows NT (not to be confused with normal word 6). And word 6 for NT even came in a DEC Alpha flavour, because you know word processing at 200Mhz++
The alternative is someone who bought Word for Windows 2.0 back in the day for $495, and doesn't want to use anything else, because A that was a LOT OF FREAKING MONEY back then, and B it does what they need it to do, and they don't see any point in upgrading, because with enough messing around you can keep it going on and on forever. and heck with a dedicated VM, it runs more stable (all alone) than it ever did.
Well there is always PCem, http://pcem-emulator.co.uk/ ... which does a fantastic job of emulating 8086/80286/80386/80486 based systems. The only downside is you need to use windows, so that would be part of the 'distraction' factor.
Now if it could be ported to EUFI, then you could turn that brand new 3.3Ghz core i7 into a 286-16 with 1MB of ram so you can wordstar like there is no tomorrow....
I don't know why it seemed so laughable back then, but now entirely plausible.
lol are they smoking this isn't 1974 with the release of Intel's 8080. Who are they kidding, this is just more people looking for .gov handouts dressed up in "professional development", and all the other jazz that comes with US government contracts.
Good grief.
Then you'd miss stuff like 1-2-3 diskettes and unformatted blocks. For old crap you really only get one shot at reading it, as it'll all rot away. Best to make the best possible image. And with 6TB disks shipping really what is the excuse?
I wish I had mod points.. but you are dead on, the demo scene was where talent lied, and just look at these 'wharholian' pieces. a copy/pasted eye, the campbell soup can (one hit wonder) done by a drunken 3yr old, and some pasted video capture of him reading the instructions. yawn.
hearbeats just exposed their faulty malloc replacement. so who knows what else is lurking, and all the more reason to remove cruft like VMS. HP's EOL'd it, just let it die already.
this x10000... as always everyone is looking at the wrong thing. and this goes for every project that tries to micromanage the heap.
"his trilby, director’s scarf and lit e-cig " Pretty much sums it up.
no seriously, go read IBM And the Holocaust, and see that this kind of thing is part of their corporate culture.
wattcp has been around for ages. Like, seriously, where have you been? http://www.vogons.org/viewtopi...
for good. :(
if Window x64 could easily run win16 applications I'd still be using Word 2.0c .. I still don't see any compelling reason to 'upgrade'.. Although Word 6 for Windows NT works perfectly fine for me.
I've been using a 2006 Mac Pro "hacked" by using it's Windows bootloader to load up a hackintosh loader to run 10.8 ..
Besides adding ram, disks and a better video card, I haven't seen any compelling reason to buy a new one..
but from all the hackintosh stuff I've ever done, the mac pro makes the best "hackintosh" as it is a real mac once you get the OS loaded up...
Clearly you never met my family, nor my Ex..
citrix still controls the 'win' (mainframe)...
I just left .. I don't even know why I waited this long, but yeah it is pretty clear where this road goes, and I'm not going down that road.