Thats funny, on my thinkpad r50 the two network cards (centrino laptop) and the radeon video card were not detected and no drivers were installed. I install fedora core 3 and everything except the wireless has been installed. X was installed with the correct settings.
I call BS. I work with thinkpads everyday and have installed WinXP on r50s probably over 20 times. Never has that occured.
I think your computers must be old enough to be supported under windows. The point of the article was to point out that windows doesn't support new tech.
Also BS. Everyone knows XP is better at supporting new hardware than Linux. It always has been. Use a better argument next time.
When 98% of the business world would never dream of switching from windows to mac because of the cost and difficulties, when a company does it successfully and easily, and is happy with the results, it IS news. It's a wake up call to the brainwashed masses.
jfs
Those are some misleading numbers. You imply that 98% of the entire business world that uses windows doesn't switch becacuse of cost and difficulties. You're forgetting that most of them have no reason to switch. If they are perfectly happy with Windows, are they brainwashed? I don't think so. I think what you meant to say was that "98% of businesses that hate Windows aren't switching because of cost and difficulty." This probably amounts to something more like 1% of the "business world."* Granted, your point about it being news is valid, I just think that your logic of getting there was flawed.
*This is a total guess on my part, just like the "98%" was a total guess on parent's part
...must we post a story about every person who thinks that platform X is better than platform Y and is just plain "fed up"? Of course, as long as we include the statement "I used to be a platform X user ONLY, now I'm switching to Y," then it matters a whole lot more.
If you're in the middle of running a test, I don't see how the "reboot now/later" box is bothering you. If you're crafting a test, you can save and reboot.
Sorry, I know that it can be a pain sometimes, and I'm not trying to poke you and tell you how/when to reboot. Maybe a better solution would be for Windows to pop the window up every 10min, but don't give it focus.
The problems is, most users "decision" is simply clicking "no" and forgetting about it forever. Then Shashdot posts a story about how Microsoft doesn't enforce security patches by simply letting users say "no I don't want to update my computer!!1"
You could have just saved your work and taken all of the 1-3min it takes to reboot a windows box.
I agree with a lot of what you said... however I think I'm confused on one point:
Whereas in Windows, all controls are 'live' even if the window does not have focus. So if you click on a button in a window that does not have focus, the button receives the click (as well as the window receiving focus)
I just tested this. I have Excel open next to and behind this web browser, and the browser has focus. I positioned my mouse over the Excel window and on the "File" menu option and clicked. The menu did not drop down, but rather, the click was "eaten" and the window was given focus. Only after clicking AGAIN did the file menu drop down.
Yes, everything you said is great. I apologize for not stating that I was speaking in the long term and purely from an economic point of view (i.e. not talking about personal loss of individuals). What you are talking about is the fact that America is moving towards a "service based" economy instead of a manufacturing based one. I wasn't talking about that in my post and agree with you that service based economies are a bad thing in general.
What you say sounds great, in theory. However, that isn't how the real world or economics works. Robotics and automation lead to cheaper goods for everyone and free up a portion of the workforce to do other things. "Other things" meaning other jobs in the workforce that are in higher demand than the job that just got automated. If you think that we will one day just run out of jobs because everything will be automated, then you need to read a book on basic economics and a book on the human spirit.
Their 1350 Clusters all run Linux and use Infiniband, Myrinet, or GigE as the high speed interconnect and can bring you anywhere from 4 to 1024 nodes. You actually can order more than 1024 nodes, it's just not listed on the website. IBM 1350 recently built a cluster for a customer that was ~8000 nodes.
How about, "It's a great time to be a computer user"? There are a million great applications out there right now that make everyone's live a lot easier. I find it sad how Apple users tie their well-being to their Operating System. It's like it's somehow incorporated into their soul. Perhaps that's why they respond so harshly to any sort of criticism towards their beloved OS.
Personally, when a new version of my favorite Linux distro comes out, I don't automatically love it and have a great cheery day with my friends at the coffee shop.
1. The PPC has been 64bit longer than either AMD or Intel. That aside, both companies are forced by backward compatability issues to run hot and support a terrible programming model at the machine level (which, of course, is where all code ends up).
2. I want a quiet system, and that means no fans. A high-end graphics board that sucks energy and produces heat is not just a neutral "I don't need it", it's a negative "I don't WANT it". For me there are no pay-offs for the downsides. I'm actually happy to pay extra for a quiet machine.
1. The PPC isn't true 64-bit.
2. You're still missing the point about the video card. Reguardless of whether or not you want it, you're paying for it in a $3,000 system. I suppose you could argue that the money is allocated to other parts of the system, but that wouldn't make much since considering it comes with other sub-par components (such as previously mentioned RAM).
And two processors that make the P4 look like the hold-overs from the 1970's that it is. Anyway, video cards long ago passed the point where I don't care; there's no advantage to me, or most Mac users, in a newer, hotter, more power-heavy card just to look at Photoshop or InDesign do its thing. Or iMovie for that matter.
1. Yes, the G5 owns the P4. But you seem to have forgotten about the other big CPU maker out there. You know, the one that had the first true desktop 64-bit CPUs avaliable? (Sorry, I had to jab you there since your post blatantly left out AMD)
2. The fact that you don't need a high end gaming video card is not the point. The point is that you're paying a LOT of money to get a somewhat average video card. You might as well be saying, "I know I'm paying for a GeForce 6800 Ultra, but since I'm not going to use it, charge me the same but just give me a GeForce4."
3. The system comes with 512MB of RAM. A $3000 system that comes with 512MB of RAM? That is possibly the biggest downside I see here. I could get over the video card if it came with 1GB of RAM.
I would need to match up a part number to know if these are the dual core POWER chips we've heard about or not
Minor correction, but somewhat signifigant. As far as I know, Apple doesn't use any POWER chips. They use POWERPC chips. There's quite a big difference between POWER chips and POWERPC chips. The new POWER5 architecture includes the ability to micropartition the CPU using LPARs and other neat features that a desktop CPU doesn't really need. POWERPC chips are what Apple uses, and they are more suited to desktop use. Sorry to be nitpicky.
Ahh, I just hate it when I hear people say this. That statement is pure BS. As if windows has some inate ability to do something better than Linux. Windows does not do ANYTHING best, it just forces the market into only working with it, plain and simple.
Wow. You're actually worse than a religious zealot. Unless of course you were joking.
You know... when someone decides to make a movie "based off of the book," you should sit back and realize that it's not going to be the same thing. Then get your uppty head out of your ass and just watch the movie. I, Robot was actually a decent movie.
While I agree with your original post, I have to make a small disagreement about WoW. My computer can maintain 30+fps in the largest battles and easily 40+ in the situation you described above (Ironforge by the auction house I assume).
I'm only bringing this up because it IS possible to have a computer that runs WoW perfectly. I mostly point this out because I used to be in your boat, and then I upgraded.
Original computer: Athlon XP 2600 768MB RAM VIA KT400 chipset GeForce 6800GT
This computer ran WoW fine most of the time, but still took some framerate hits in the areas you talk about
I think IBM are...They do...AMD just try to make chips...But IBM actually try to do...
Ok. I'm sorry. I know this is nitpicky. I've been thinking about this for about a year, and I just have to say it. Someone PLEASE correct me if I am totally off here.
IBM "are" not anything. IBM *is*. AMD just *tries*, and IBM actually *tries* to do...
IBM, AMD, Intel, Microsoft, etc. are companies. These are SINGULAR ENTITIES. A group of people under a single umbrella is a singular entity. Just like "mankind is..." and not "mankind are..." You actually cannot even refer to a singular entity as "they" as you do as well. This reference is much more accepted, but is technically incorrect. IBM is an "it", just like any other company.
Someone...please, for the love of God, tell me if I'm wrong and tell me why. This has been bothering me for over a year. I know it's grammar nazi, and I apologize for that.
Finally, someone who understands how it should be. Use the best tool for the job in the situation that requires it. NO ONE OPERATING SYSTEM IS BEST FOR EVERYTHING. Besides, why be a fucking zealot and lock yourself into that way of thinking? I use windows at home because when I come home from work I want to play games. At work, I deal with Linux clusters all day long and use Windows and Linux for productivity. I used to use OSX a lot in college, but have rarely had a use for it in the business world or at home.
Bottom line is, Windows is perfectly suited for office productivity and by FAR the best for gaming. Linux is great for productivity in a business setting, and best for servers. Macs are great if you want to just have a generally great OS for home use but with no gaming. I guess what I'm saying is (and by this point I've lost 99% of readers for sure) is that if there was a single OS to drop from that list, it would most logically be OSX.
I use the best tool for the job. I don't use a tool because I've somehow tied it to my soul and wellbeing as a human.
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Thats funny, on my thinkpad r50 the two network cards (centrino laptop) and the radeon video card were not detected and no drivers were installed. I install fedora core 3 and everything except the wireless has been installed. X was installed with the correct settings.
I call BS. I work with thinkpads everyday and have installed WinXP on r50s probably over 20 times. Never has that occured.
I think your computers must be old enough to be supported under windows. The point of the article was to point out that windows doesn't support new tech.
Also BS. Everyone knows XP is better at supporting new hardware than Linux. It always has been. Use a better argument next time.
When 98% of the business world would never dream of switching from windows to mac because of the cost and difficulties, when a company does it successfully and easily, and is happy with the results, it IS news. It's a wake up call to the brainwashed masses.
jfs
Those are some misleading numbers. You imply that 98% of the entire business world that uses windows doesn't switch becacuse of cost and difficulties. You're forgetting that most of them have no reason to switch. If they are perfectly happy with Windows, are they brainwashed? I don't think so. I think what you meant to say was that "98% of businesses that hate Windows aren't switching because of cost and difficulty." This probably amounts to something more like 1% of the "business world."* Granted, your point about it being news is valid, I just think that your logic of getting there was flawed.
*This is a total guess on my part, just like the "98%" was a total guess on parent's part
...must we post a story about every person who thinks that platform X is better than platform Y and is just plain "fed up"? Of course, as long as we include the statement "I used to be a platform X user ONLY, now I'm switching to Y," then it matters a whole lot more.
If you're in the middle of running a test, I don't see how the "reboot now/later" box is bothering you. If you're crafting a test, you can save and reboot.
Sorry, I know that it can be a pain sometimes, and I'm not trying to poke you and tell you how/when to reboot. Maybe a better solution would be for Windows to pop the window up every 10min, but don't give it focus.
No, but the command above could take hours, even days, to complete.
I used to run Gentoo at home, your argument sucks.
The problems is, most users "decision" is simply clicking "no" and forgetting about it forever. Then Shashdot posts a story about how Microsoft doesn't enforce security patches by simply letting users say "no I don't want to update my computer!!1"
You could have just saved your work and taken all of the 1-3min it takes to reboot a windows box.
...large/ugly/beige/boring generic PCs
Yes, because I just can't feel unique unless my computer is a small/pretty/blue/exciting MacMini.
I agree with a lot of what you said... however I think I'm confused on one point:
Whereas in Windows, all controls are 'live' even if the window does not have focus. So if you click on a button in a window that does not have focus, the button receives the click (as well as the window receiving focus)
I just tested this. I have Excel open next to and behind this web browser, and the browser has focus. I positioned my mouse over the Excel window and on the "File" menu option and clicked. The menu did not drop down, but rather, the click was "eaten" and the window was given focus. Only after clicking AGAIN did the file menu drop down.
Maybe I'm just confused?
Yes, everything you said is great. I apologize for not stating that I was speaking in the long term and purely from an economic point of view (i.e. not talking about personal loss of individuals). What you are talking about is the fact that America is moving towards a "service based" economy instead of a manufacturing based one. I wasn't talking about that in my post and agree with you that service based economies are a bad thing in general.
What you say sounds great, in theory. However, that isn't how the real world or economics works. Robotics and automation lead to cheaper goods for everyone and free up a portion of the workforce to do other things. "Other things" meaning other jobs in the workforce that are in higher demand than the job that just got automated. If you think that we will one day just run out of jobs because everything will be automated, then you need to read a book on basic economics and a book on the human spirit.
Their 1350 Clusters all run Linux and use Infiniband, Myrinet, or GigE as the high speed interconnect and can bring you anywhere from 4 to 1024 nodes. You actually can order more than 1024 nodes, it's just not listed on the website. IBM 1350 recently built a cluster for a customer that was ~8000 nodes.
In fact, I would believe that anything in the PC land would actually be a downgrade.
...and that is precisely what makes you a fanboy/radical/fanatic.
You must not have seen option 3.
perfectly working user interfaces on Linux
*raises eyebrow*
Riiiiight...
How about, "It's a great time to be a computer user"? There are a million great applications out there right now that make everyone's live a lot easier. I find it sad how Apple users tie their well-being to their Operating System. It's like it's somehow incorporated into their soul. Perhaps that's why they respond so harshly to any sort of criticism towards their beloved OS.
Personally, when a new version of my favorite Linux distro comes out, I don't automatically love it and have a great cheery day with my friends at the coffee shop.
1. The PPC has been 64bit longer than either AMD or Intel. That aside, both companies are forced by backward compatability issues to run hot and support a terrible programming model at the machine level (which, of course, is where all code ends up).
2. I want a quiet system, and that means no fans. A high-end graphics board that sucks energy and produces heat is not just a neutral "I don't need it", it's a negative "I don't WANT it". For me there are no pay-offs for the downsides. I'm actually happy to pay extra for a quiet machine.
1. The PPC isn't true 64-bit.
2. You're still missing the point about the video card. Reguardless of whether or not you want it, you're paying for it in a $3,000 system. I suppose you could argue that the money is allocated to other parts of the system, but that wouldn't make much since considering it comes with other sub-par components (such as previously mentioned RAM).
And two processors that make the P4 look like the hold-overs from the 1970's that it is. Anyway, video cards long ago passed the point where I don't care; there's no advantage to me, or most Mac users, in a newer, hotter, more power-heavy card just to look at Photoshop or InDesign do its thing. Or iMovie for that matter.
1. Yes, the G5 owns the P4. But you seem to have forgotten about the other big CPU maker out there. You know, the one that had the first true desktop 64-bit CPUs avaliable? (Sorry, I had to jab you there since your post blatantly left out AMD)
2. The fact that you don't need a high end gaming video card is not the point. The point is that you're paying a LOT of money to get a somewhat average video card. You might as well be saying, "I know I'm paying for a GeForce 6800 Ultra, but since I'm not going to use it, charge me the same but just give me a GeForce4."
3. The system comes with 512MB of RAM. A $3000 system that comes with 512MB of RAM? That is possibly the biggest downside I see here. I could get over the video card if it came with 1GB of RAM.
I would need to match up a part number to know if these are the dual core POWER chips we've heard about or not
Minor correction, but somewhat signifigant. As far as I know, Apple doesn't use any POWER chips. They use POWERPC chips. There's quite a big difference between POWER chips and POWERPC chips. The new POWER5 architecture includes the ability to micropartition the CPU using LPARs and other neat features that a desktop CPU doesn't really need. POWERPC chips are what Apple uses, and they are more suited to desktop use. Sorry to be nitpicky.
Ahh, I just hate it when I hear people say this. That statement is pure BS. As if windows has some inate ability to do something better than Linux. Windows does not do ANYTHING best, it just forces the market into only working with it, plain and simple.
Wow. You're actually worse than a religious zealot. Unless of course you were joking.
You know... when someone decides to make a movie "based off of the book," you should sit back and realize that it's not going to be the same thing. Then get your uppty head out of your ass and just watch the movie. I, Robot was actually a decent movie.
World of Warcraft... Breakout... Super Breakout... Photoshop...
While I agree with your original post, I have to make a small disagreement about WoW. My computer can maintain 30+fps in the largest battles and easily 40+ in the situation you described above (Ironforge by the auction house I assume).
I'm only bringing this up because it IS possible to have a computer that runs WoW perfectly. I mostly point this out because I used to be in your boat, and then I upgraded.
Original computer:
Athlon XP 2600
768MB RAM
VIA KT400 chipset
GeForce 6800GT
This computer ran WoW fine most of the time, but still took some framerate hits in the areas you talk about
Upgrade computer:
A64 3700+
1GB RAM
nForce3 chipset
GeForce 6800GT
I have yet to see low framerates with this computer. All detail options on max including driver level 8X AA.
Happy gaming
I think IBM are...They do...AMD just try to make chips...But IBM actually try to do...
Ok. I'm sorry. I know this is nitpicky. I've been thinking about this for about a year, and I just have to say it. Someone PLEASE correct me if I am totally off here.
IBM "are" not anything. IBM *is*. AMD just *tries*, and IBM actually *tries* to do...
IBM, AMD, Intel, Microsoft, etc. are companies. These are SINGULAR ENTITIES. A group of people under a single umbrella is a singular entity. Just like "mankind is..." and not "mankind are..." You actually cannot even refer to a singular entity as "they" as you do as well. This reference is much more accepted, but is technically incorrect. IBM is an "it", just like any other company.
Someone...please, for the love of God, tell me if I'm wrong and tell me why. This has been bothering me for over a year. I know it's grammar nazi, and I apologize for that.
A-freaking-men.
Finally, someone who understands how it should be. Use the best tool for the job in the situation that requires it. NO ONE OPERATING SYSTEM IS BEST FOR EVERYTHING. Besides, why be a fucking zealot and lock yourself into that way of thinking? I use windows at home because when I come home from work I want to play games. At work, I deal with Linux clusters all day long and use Windows and Linux for productivity. I used to use OSX a lot in college, but have rarely had a use for it in the business world or at home.
Bottom line is, Windows is perfectly suited for office productivity and by FAR the best for gaming. Linux is great for productivity in a business setting, and best for servers. Macs are great if you want to just have a generally great OS for home use but with no gaming. I guess what I'm saying is (and by this point I've lost 99% of readers for sure) is that if there was a single OS to drop from that list, it would most logically be OSX.
I use the best tool for the job. I don't use a tool because I've somehow tied it to my soul and wellbeing as a human.
Yeah, was just correcting the spelling in case anyone was trying to look up information on either of the two.
Ah, yes, that website does go into a decent amount of detail. Thanks.