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Rave Reviews for Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
druid_getafix writes "The first mass market reviews of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger are trickling in with a big thumbs up for the release. Walt Mossberg of the WSJ says 'Tiger Leaps Out in Front' but complains about slowness of some applications - notably Mail. David Pogue of NYT says 'But with apologies to Mac-bashers everywhere, Spotlight changes everything. Tiger is the classiest version of Mac OS X ever and, by many measures, the most secure, stable and satisfying consumer operating system prowling the earth.' In related news Mossberg also covers the rising incidence of spam/virii in the Windows world and says '...consider dumping Windows altogether and switching to Apple's Macintosh...'. Previous reviews of Tiger were covered on /. earlier."
Text of the NYT article. Mod this one up, no karma whoring here.
From Apple, a Tiger to Put in Your Mac
IF anyone considers tomorrow a special day at all, it's probably because it's Friday, or because "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" movie opens, or because it's Uma Thurman's birthday.
But for one particular group of 25 million computer owners, April 29 is a much bigger deal. It's the day Apple releases Mac OS X 10.4, nicknamed Tiger - the latest version of the software suite that makes up the Macintosh operating system.
Ordinarily, of course, reading about operating systems is about as much fun as a seminar on tax policy. Very few people line up at 5 a.m. to be the first to upgrade the software in their microwaves, cellphones or cars.
But Mac OS X has recently become interesting even to people outside the Cult of Macintosh. The more Microsoft Windows is bogged down by viruses, spyware and disruptive security updates, the more miserable life becomes - and the more the long-suffering Windows majority begins to investigate virus-free, spyware-free alternatives like Mac OS X.
One nice thing about Windows, though, is that Microsoft sics a new version on its customers only once every few years. (Windows XP, for example, made its debut in 2001. The next version is scheduled for 2006.) Apple has asked its faithful followers to upgrade Mac OS X about every year, at $130 a pop (or free with a new Mac). What could Tiger offer that could justify yet another expenditure?
Apple's Tiger Web site lists over 200 new features. Not all of them are, ahem, likely to set off a mass exodus to the Macintosh. Will anyone upgrade to Tiger because, for example, "you can easily find any glyph by typing its Unicode ID"?
Still, there are a few humdingers in that list. The most important is Spotlight, which is like Google for your hard drive. As you type into the Spotlight box in your menu bar, a tidy menu instantly drops down. It lists every file, folder, program, e-mail message, address book or calendar entry, photograph, PDF document and even font that contains what you typed, regardless of its name or folder location. This isn't just a fast Find command. It's an enhancement that's so deep, convenient and powerful, it threatens to reduce the 20-year-old Mac/Windows system of nested folders to irrelevance. Why burrow around in folders when you can open any file or program with a couple of keystrokes?
Out of the box, for example, tapping Command and the space bar highlights the Spotlight box. So if you hit Command-Space and type "Schw," the list shows every message Arnold Schwarzenegger sent to you by e-mail, every appointment you've got with him and, of course, his address book entry. It's all organized neatly by category; a quick click or keystroke opens the item you want.
You can also save a Spotlight search as a "smart folder," a self-updating folder that always contains stuff that matches certain criteria - for example, all documents created in the last week containing the phrase "wombat mating habits."
Unfortunately, Spotlight can't "see inside" many programs other than Apple's, although that will change as software companies upgrade their wares. For example, Spotlight can search the contents of Word, Excel and PowerPoint files, but doesn't yet see the messages in Microsoft's Entourage e-mail program.
The second most heavily hyped Tiger feature is called Dashboard. It's a constellation of gorgeous miniprograms that appear or disappear en masse when you touch a selected key. They include real-time stock tickers, weather forecasts and airline flight information, along with a calculator, dictionary, Yellow Pages and other doodads. They're handy enough, and they appear with a dazzling rippling effect that turns your screen into the surface of a Zen pond. But Dashboard isn't a Tiger exclusive; the shareware program Konfabulator, available for Windows and older Mac OS versions, does pretty much the same thing.
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I think the whole voice recognition without having to configure it for your voice is pretty slick. I want a Mac.
unless there's a torrent..
Is Java 5 in the final version of Tiger?
If not when will Apple be releasing it?
Some people were waiting on Tiger's release to find out. Does AltiVec handle the CoreImage stuff alright?
Mossberg also covers the rising incidence of what exactly? Spam I understand, but there's some other word there that I do not recognize.
You wear wraparound sunglasses, even indoors. You wish your mother would let you ride a motorbike. You tell your friends you're pulling in $50,000 a year and $2,000 a month "playing the stock market" but in reality you're only bringing in half that and your dividends from MSFT havn't been good in years. Your non computing friends all turn to you for help; you only charge $30 an hour. Your collegues talk about you behind your back. Your workplace nickname is likely to be "The Asshole". Unlike the Linux fanboys, you actually try to pick up dates in bars but women laugh at you.
You think you're so cool you hurt. You have mirrors on every wall in your "loft apartment", which is really a grimy little apartment next to a guy who plays Guns 'n Roses at 3am. All of your furniture is from Ikea. You sometimes think that changing your name to "Steve" would be "pretty cool". When you go to bars you only drink Miller Lite. No body ever asks you for help with their computers because they know you don't know anything but OS X, even if you do tell them you "run Unix" now. Your friends openly laugh at you.
You regularly give $10 bills to homeless guys because you have too much money. Computers baffle you, but you enjoy looking at pictures of naked women. You don't know what Linux is, but you continually bugged the IT guy at work about your computer so he installed Linspire on your machine.
You shop at GAP. You probably used to use a Mac. When you saw the multiracial image used as a desktop picture and heard that this operating system came from the same country as Nelson Mandela, you knew it was for you. You meet with your friends in fair-trade coffee houses and talk about the eventual overthrow of evil corporations such as Microsoft and Starbucks. Like the Linspire user, you have very little real knowlege when it comes to computers but you would never use your computer to look at pictures of women degrading themselves.
You've been "into computers" for ohh, one or two years now and fancy yourself as "a bit of a hacker". Wouldn't know C from C++, or even Perl for that matter. Older Gentoy users may be building their homes from matchsticks. You've explained to all your friends that your matchstick house will have an "optimised floorplan". They've tried to tell you that your house violates every known building code and law in your area, but you've ignored them so far because you can't read those complicated regulatory documents.
Much like the Gentoy user but you'd also be into sadomasochistic sex if you could get it. You're not just building a house from matchsticks, you're planing to grow the trees to make the matchsticks. You've cleared some land but don't know what to do next because you havn't read the books you've got, so you've posted to alt.arborists.newbie asking for help. It's been three days so far and no one has replied. You remain hopeful.
welco... AHHH!! *mauled to death by a tiger for using a slashdot cliche*
Pity, I haven't got my copy yet. Can't wait... Spotlight will definetly change everything.. I wish we had this functionality on our windows network. Usually colleagues have a habit of making emssy files and storing things all over the shop, if we could search on meta data that would really help. From what I can tell so far, spotlight means you no longer care where things are, they simply exist and the context becomes the "path"... Truly innovating and definetly worth my money.
-if at first you don't succeed, stay the heck away from paragliding.
I'm always amazed how people seem to be able to judge the quality of an operating system within just a couple of hours. I can't imagine that you can really tell if productivity and/or stability have improved within a couple of hours.
So how do they review the OS?
To Terminate, or not to Terminate, that's the question - SCSIROB
My god is it a great time to be a Mac user.
Apple Tech
NeXT Tech
Dual G5
iPod/iTunes/iTMS
OpenGL
unix Layer
and my copy of Tiger is riding around in a FedEx van at this very moment.
Everything I've ever wanted in a computer system is a few hours away from becoming reality.
From the NYT guy:
"[...] and, by many measures, the most secure, [...] operating system prowling the earth."
Hum. I like OSX just as much as anybody here does, but please, let's stay with verifiable facts instead of hype, OK? Even if you're working for the NY Times.
quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur.
should be here soon. (as a student it cost me less than 60 quid.)
has anyone heard of any issues with doing a simple upgrade instead of clean install or archive and install?
7. VM/370; you're a genius with many years of experience. You've seen crummy junk like Windows, Unix and Mac and stick to the one proven to work system with a 38 year history of excellence.
I've had Tiger on my 17" powerbook for a few days now - it's actually installed on my iPod so I can dual boot.
One thing I have noticed so far is that Expose seems a lot less fluid than in Panther. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I going mad? The difference is noticable even with only a couple of windows on the desktop.
Other than that it seems nice. My Vodafone 3G card works, and most apps that I have tried. The only thing I can't get working yet is OpenVPN - as the TUN/TAP driver isn't ported yet.
I honestly can't wait to grab my copy. I genuinly excited !
Never before I have used such an Elegant but powerful OS that just works without much effort
Lets just hope it doesn't get too popular, then we might start seeing Spyware, Viruses etc targeted against Mac, Although, everyone hates Gates so why bother switching platform ?
"Sweet llamas of the Bahamas !"
Reality Distortion Field.
I, for one, welcome our new Feline overlords.
As a long time Slackware and FreeBSD user, I'm just waiting for a good check to come in so I can get a Mac. My problem is that I'm afraid I'll find it so cool and so much better that I will drop my beloved OS's and lose interest.
As far as Microsoft is concerned, well, they kissed my ass years ago when I dropped out around Windows 98. If there is ever a chance for Mac's to become more affordable I do not see a future for Microsoft. They can't sue us for NOT using their shit. Heh.
You are about to give someone a piece of your mind, something which you can ill afford...
Java 5 (Tiger) is not included in Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger). But Apple's got it under development and I'd suspect there'll be a Java update to Java 5 within a short period. Apple's been making test builds available to developers.
Tiger still hasn't been released yet, and so we know that these reviewers have advanced copies to review. I'd imaigne that they would have it in their possession at least since golden master was declared.
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Apple, now raking in profits from its iPod, should seriously consider lowering their prices on their high-end machines to gain market share. Currently APPL is trading at $36.35 +0.40 (1.11%) a share and the stock has gone up consistenty since 2003 when it was around $10 a share. Now is the time for them to make some moves.
If Tiger indeed blows away XP, so they should try to advertise it more, get it out to as many people as possible in order to increase their popularity and inspire more people to use and develop Apple software. If everyone had a better alternative to Windows for say just a fraction more in price, people would start buying it. The iPod has already convinced people Apple is a good brand, all they need is a price incentive to switch to Apple PCs.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
...incidence of spam/virii in the Windows world...
The plural of virus is viruses.
Writing "virri" doesn't make you look clever, educated people will laugh at you.
I would love to make the switch, but I am not sure I could justify it. I know it is all subjective, but what is a good reason to switch away from WinXP? Looking for real reasons to switch, not trolls or flames.
For reference, I don't have problems with virii, my system never crashes, and all of my main programs (mainly design programs from Adobe and Macromedia) run very nicely. So what would I gain from switching?
The world moves for love. It kneels before it in awe.
I switched from Eudora 5.2 for Windows to Mail.app in 10.3 (thanks, Eudora Mailbox Cleaner), and I'm generally pleased. However, I'm on a lot of mailing lists at work, and it already takes a few seconds to open some of my mailboxes on a 1.8GHz iMac G5. I was hoping for some improvement in 10.4.
A link to the NYT article that doesn't need registration.
When pointing to the NYT, can you please use the New York Times Link Generator! Links are the whole point of the web! While cutting-and-pasting the text is possible it's a bit of a kludge IMHO.
Does it run Oracle? Can i run JDeveloper? How stable is JDK 1.5 and Eclipse? Does JDK 1.5 even work?
How much memory can my 64bit system use on a 32bit os?
How stable is the new GCC 4.0?
It seems to me only have one major vendor for most of its hardware lines that is why OSX is able to be stable and clean.. if they STILL have performance problems why do they continue to push outdated hardware and expensive prices?
In all fairness, I've not used OSX before but back when the Classic and IIc reigned supreme the common complaint about the Mac was that it was too underpowered for the Operating System and the applications. Hell, my 7mhz Amiga felt zippier and responded quicker than the IIc.
Even in the Windows world, iTunes runs rather slow, has limited features (including the annoying "feature" of getting itself and my iPod completely out of sync with "consolidate" being the only, drastic, tool to resolve this) and takes up an inane amount of memory. Hardly a good impression of what to expect from Apple.
Sadly, these two things (including the fact that I'll be effectivily throwing away all the money I've currently invested in my PC) sour my desire to immediately switch to Apple.
However, when we all shift to BTX and I've got no choice but to replace every part of my computer then I have no doubt that I'll make the jump.
This won't be for a couple of years and i think there might be others who will wait until they find that the only way to move forward is replace so much of their PC that switching to Apple entirely isn't so much of a big deal.
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Would it be difficult to port Tiger to the amd64 platform, i686, or other architectures? It is based on FreeBSD, correct? It is clear that Apple is able to beat MS on the desktop. I just don't know why they won't compete head on. I would consider buying tiger for my group if I didn't have to buy all new hardware with it.
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Caution: Do not stare into laser with remaining eye.
From the NYT article:
The Safari browser now subscribes to R.S.S. news feeds,
And its "private browsing" mode conceals the tracks of online deeds.
There are archives now, and log files, when you send or get a fax;
You can make the pointer bigger on those Jumbotron-screened Macs.
You can start a full-screen slide show from some photos on demand;
And the voice that reads the screen aloud can lend the blind a hand.
There's a password-phrase suggestor meant to make yours more secure,
And the Grapher module draws equations simple and obscure.
Then the Automator program is a geeky software clerk -
You just choose the steps you want performed, and it does all the work.
There's a lot of miscellany, lots of spit-and-polish stuff,
But it works and doesn't slow you down - and these days, that's enough.
Media that can be recorded and distributed can be recorded and distributed.
-kfg
Quite frankly, whilst I like the idea of this, I also like the idea of nicely categorised folders and sub-folders containing all the relevant information on a particular subject.
Searching is only useful if you know what you are looking for. If you want to see the associated documents for a project it's far easier to delve into the project name and then check out the various folders for the plans, test scripts, risks and issues logs and other information.
So yes, search is great, but it isn't going to mean that people can abandon structured storage overnight. Or any time soon.
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Yes, Yes, it's pretty stable... have had no problems 4-8GB depending on the systen 4.0 has given me no problems. I don't see and performance problems, but it is all in the system you configure.
One word: Spotlight.
I'm tired of reviews which spent all the time saying how great spothlight and dashboard is. And sure, they are great, but I'm sure there ARE more things in Tiger. Spothlight isn't exactly a killer app for people like which spend 100% of the time in a command shell (yes, I know there's a spotligh command-line equivalent) and running vim. If spotlight and dashboard is everything Tigert has, it's way more deceiving than Longhorn.
And dashboard is everything but a killer app - I already tried gdesklets and I just do NOT need to have a widget telling me the weather, I've windows in my house, thanks. Neither I need a stock tracker, or a currency converter, and much less a calculator or a calendar or a fligh tracker or a world clock (Why on earth would 99.9% of the global population want to know what time is in other part of the world?)
So why not Apple die-hard-fans stop talking about all that bullshit and start talking about launchd, and all those REAL features which are really interesting?
"and my copy of Tiger is riding around in a FedEx van at this very moment"
Funny, mine is riding around bittorrent at the moment.
Er, of course, it was Unix that had nested folders first. Also I was just thinking... I think it would be a pretty horrible world if users just put all their stuff in the same folder - with no attempts to categorize things. That would make for some very horrible folders. Hey, something like some people's inboxes, I suppose.
Unlike desktop search tools that encourage people not to organgize - how about tools that make it easy to organize. Eg easy symlinks.
This is not to be intreperted as M$ is number one. I question any article that's all flowers and hugs.
Actually, I believe it is virii. But since English people everywhere started spelling it viruses because it felt more natural spoken and written than virii. So viruses is becoming the norm now.
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Another slashdot user predicted this something like a year and a half ago.
"What percentage of Windows PCs are 0wn3d by one or other parasite?
By multiple parasites? By spammers working with crackers working
with corrupt web site designers and pornographers? Enough, I think
to ensure that within a short time - say 6 to 12 months - we will
hit infection levels of 50% and more. The vast majority of home
PCs, happily connected to the Internet, will be hit, and a large
proportion of office PCs, insufficiently secured and protected,
will also succumb."
This was written in September 2003. And it's just starting to hit the general consciousness now?
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The plural of virus is viruses.
Writing "virri" doesn't make you look clever, educated people will laugh at you.
Speak for yourself. Not all of us trot out our soapboxen for such little things.
And where was the copy editor?
Yes, Tiger sounds very spiffy.
"windows xp x64 hasnt crashed once at winhec"
That's pretty typical of Windows. Especially before you actually load it on a computer.
Well, I'd like to give it a try. Where do I download the source code?
Their new automator framework, which let applications send streams of objects to each other and have them propose interfaces to interact with.
(Well that's how it seems to work at least). It looks like the equivalent of unix pipes for desktop apps.
Something i've been waiting for for years.
...Apple won't release Quicktime 7 for Windows on the same day... They're just releasing the Mac version. Why? YOU'RE KILLING US APPLE! Release Quicktime 7 for Windows simultaneously!
Everyone is a buzz about Spotloght and it is no doubt going to be great, but I am also looking forward to improving productivity with Automator.
As with lots of scripting languages, sometimes it is just plain faster to brute force what you are doing than sit down, recall a language syntax and function set, write a script, give it a test, and then run it. What I see as cool about Automator is that it makes building a script so freaking easy and fast and since you can call scripts with scripts, you can build a nice function library of scripts to make the process even faster.
I am also digging on Dashboard. At first I didn't like the idea of a second desktop that is different than the first, and I will have to try before I agree that it makes sense to keep these on a different desktop, but I love the idea of the small applets (I used Konfabulator breifly) for small tasks like weather, itunes, stock tickers, and calculator. That they take minimal system memory means I will be more apt to keep them open and within easy reach without having to launch the applicaiton.
Lastly, I am totally excited about iChat AV supporting up to four people (including me) in a video chat. It just looks so cool to see three people sitting around the virtual room like that and this feature is making me finally break down and buy the iSight. It looks like the best autofocusing camera available for $150.
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
Can someone confirm the build number of the actual shipped version - is it indeed 8A428 or something later?
Can get this from "About this Mac", "More Info", then Software on the left pane.
Cheers!
one word --- Spotlight
detaching the location of the file from file system organization is a huge leap conceptially. A real "quantum leap" -- seemingly small but makes a world of difference.
From here:
"Dave had some surprises up his sleeve as well. You'll remember that I said he was using a ThinkPad (running Windows!). I asked him about that, and he told us that many of the computer security folks back at FBI HQ use Macs running OS X, since those machines can do just about anything: run software for Mac, Unix, or Windows, using either a GUI or the command line. And they're secure out of the box. In the field, however, they don't have as much money to spend, so they have to stretch their dollars by buying WinTel-based hardware. Are you listening, Apple? The FBI wants to buy your stuff. Talk to them!"
In an effort to end your insanity - the Oxford English Dictionary entry:
Virus
Etymology: a. L. virus slimy liquid, poison, offensive odour or taste. Hence also Fr., Sp., Pg. virus.
1 Venom, such as is emitted by a poisonous animal. Also fig.
2 Path. a A morbid principle or poisonous substance produced in the body as the result of some disease, esp. one capable of being introduced into other persons or animals by inoculations or otherwise and of developing the same disease in them. Now superseded by the next sense.
b Pl. viruses.
An infectious organism that is usu. submicroscopic, can multiply only inside certain living host cells (in many cases causing disease) and is now understood to be a non-cellular structure lacking any intrinsic metabolism and usually comprising a DNA or RNA core inside a protein coat (see also quot. 1977). [ Formerly referred to as filterable viruses, their first distinguishing characteristic being the ability to pass through filters that retained bacteria. ]
Well in that case, you obviously didn't actually read the list of new features.
OK, so who is the first MacVictim going to be? :)
--I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
"inside the RDF you get to hear everyone else scream..."
-- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
... is to make your OS incompatible with 95% of other computers.
To create the most stable operating system: control all hardware that goes in.
Tiger is the classiest version of Mac OS X ever and, by many measures, the most secure, stable and satisfying consumer operating system prowling the earth
It sounds like he ran the article through the new hyperbolic chamber.
Why don't you moron get off your hardware-specific ass and get a Mac? ;-)
No operating system stands any chance against Microsoft Windows while on the same hardware platform as Microsoft Windows, unless it's completely free as in free beer (e.g. Linux).
Mac OS X is already heavily subsidized with Apple's hardware and other sales, yet $129 is still too expensive for the average home user to consider. No, people just buy a new computer when they want a new operating system -- or they pirate it.
Apple's website still lists Panther as shipping with new Macs.
There's just a plethora of little reasons too numerous list here.
You're gonna do what with source code to an operating system you don't have? Cross-compile it on your VAX?
He said he doesn't exist and certainly isn't God, and it's about damn time you took some fucking responsibility for your actions instead of trying to blame "God" for everything that goes wrong in your life, you damn fuckup.
Beating a dead horse, but still... You have any idea which computer (and processor) Linus uses nowadays?
Hint: it's not AMD.
I think, therefore I am...I think.
Want meta-data search (spotlight) on GNU/Linux? Try installing Beagle.
...and much more
From Beagle's webpage; "Beagle is a search tool that ransacks your personal information space to find whatever you're looking for. Beagle can search in many different domains:
documents
emails
web history
IM/IRC conversations
source code
images
music files
applications
Have a look at uber hacker Nat Friedman's videos of hot Beagle Action.
In short, beware teh Gnome.
Did you just honestly use Enlightenment .17 in an argument? Isn't that like saying "Game X sure is great, but hell, Duke Nukem Forever will blow it away" ?
As you all know, the first thing to do when you're being stalked by an ugly mob with redcurrants is to -- release The Tiger!
acutally if you check out the stream archive of bill's keynote they are running lightwave 3D 64 bit on xpx64 and its runs extremely smooth.
Just about all diehard Windows users I've shown OS X & Mac to are completely won over by it in a matter of minutes or hours. The user experience is rewarding, productive and ... fun! After seeing Tiger's "RSS Visualiser" screensaver - one of the most trivial features - one guy here decided on the spot to sell all his PCs.
For a software developer, OS X is particularly compelling.
you had me at #!
Over 200 New Features
Those are new. I mean, you don't find anything "new" in there? C'mon! XCode 2, Spotlight, Automater, iSync capabilities, GCC 4.0, on and on.I have a dual 1 ghz power mac. I have a lot of ram 1.5 gig, and manipulate images in photoshop 7. Without core image acceleration its very good, especially with some of my larger images which can by 100 megs each. The only time the wait is anoying is when i'm using genuin fractals "degrain" filters which are slow (20-30 seconds) but work very well.
It even edits video ok. All without the core image.
My understanding of core image api is if the machine can't send the operations to the unsupported video card it just uses the main processor. minis have 1.2-1.4 ghz so they should work prety well for any image task thrown at it.
A g5 would improve things for anyone really into hardcore editing..
...consider dumping Windows altogether and switching to Apple's Macintosh..
Please - by all means, let 100 million people switch from MS to Apple. Then the virus, spyware, adware, and trojan authors will have targets sufficient of their time and energy, and then the world will see how idiotic people are for saying "...is more secure, stable..."
I am the only one who's totally pissed off that not only is there a MICROSOFT ad on this article (probably appearing on others, but this one especially) but it HONKS A HORN AT FULL VOLUME? What is wrong with SlashDot?
Coleman
PS It scared the crap out of me.
What about the files you don't even remember?
I already had some nice moments stumbling upon some old letters to my ex-girl, or some old video I made, while searching for something. These are things I just come to read or watch because for some unexplainable reason they've made it to my monitor! =)
Spotlight only searches for what you ask, and once someone get used to it, the fun of folder exploring will definitely go away...
Hardly XP Home.
Apple has got this one right. There is NO "OS X Light." There's just one O/S to serve them all...
OS X comes with web server (Apache), SSH server (where's that in XP anything?), a SQL database, and many other things that you can't get without XP Professional or even Win2000/2003 Server.
Now, most of those "advanced" services are turned off by default, but they are there if you want to use them, and don't cost anything (other than the space they take up) if you don't ever configure them.
I think Microsoft's OS strategy sucks, because it generalizes: I need Win2003 Server Standard Edition--or is it Enterprise Edition?--to get some of the services I need, but need XP (Home,Professional) to get the desktop bubblegum that my kids want. I can't pick and choose--Microsoft does it for me and I don't get a say in their selections!
Of course, you can always get freeware/shareware or commercial add-ons, but that ups the price of the OS.
So... the proper comparison is OS X would be to purchase XP Professional with bits of Windows 2003 Server (total cost, mucho dinero!).
Who wants to bet that Microsoft will continue this silly strategy with Longhorn? I can see it now: Longhorn Home, Longhorn Professional, Longhorn Advanced Server, Longhorn Lite, Longhorn Media Edition, Longhorn Tablet Edition, Longhorn Pocket Edition... And what will developers target? (This requires Longhorn Home, with some bits of Longhorn Server, but is incompatible with the display driver in Longhorn Tablet...)
"May I have ten thousand marbles, please?"
Than Google Desktop Searh?
I am the maverick of Slashdot
for the developer, I think CoreData, CoreImage, CoreVideo...
the thing there is that when developers take advantage of this, you will need to upgrade to use the neat new features in those new applications that take advantage of them.
CoreAudio, from panther, made creating audio plug-ins (for logic, live, etc.) relatively easy to build functions that work in a variety of applications as they are based on the architecture of the OS rather than the plug-in architecture of a particular application. (apologies for the sentence structure...)
I would love to see the ability to create image filters that could be used in a variety of manipulation programs, ( btw, is the CoreSet available to darwin?) and have it then be possible to generate a simple image manipulation framework that relied entirely on CoreImage/Video units.
having tried demos recently (of live and logic), it makes it easier to choose the application based on its core usability, rather than the presence of a particular reverb. the Audio Units work the same in both environments. Shake already does something similar, its composite trees are based on nodes, which are themselves based on command line modules, now move that thought out to the OS level, and make it available to every application.
...is it just me or does this seem like small tools and pipes...
-- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
I've got Virii in my boxen , I don't belive someone else remembers that toon . I would post a link but i can't find it . CheerIii for the nostalgii
Im a robot your a robot , That however is a row-boat
So Spotlight, CoreImage and CoreData APIs are nothing? Whilst only SpotLight is immediately visible to an end user the underlying API changes will make it much easier to develop for.
No one is forcing you to upgrade. If you don't want it don't buy it. Just don't come whining when some cool new app requires Tiger.
If Mac OS X could be installed to any computer, yeah people would buy it. But Apple makes all their money in the hardware. If nobody's buying the hardware, they lose a HUUUUGE amount of their profit, and I seriously doubt software sales could ever make up for it.
Also, if Apple did it, they would be more or less forced to do it so that you could dual-boot the system between Windows and OS X (and even if they didn't, people would bitchandmoan and buy programs to make it do that anyway). Then if Windows and OS X are on the same computer, and you are suchandsuch software developer who is probably used to devloping for Windows, there's zero incentive to make an app for OS X, since people can just reboot to get Windows up.
So that leaves Apple with...an iPod and an OS nobody makes software for or buys the hardware for. Nice buisness model.
(for the record, my name is normally Bizitmap, not an anonymous coward, but I'm not on the computer which has my password in autocomplete, and I kinda forgot what it was =3 )
Any one here seen the Simpsons episode starting with Homer trying to squeeze an orange with his chin to make orange juice? At the same time he is watching on TV a commercial for an oranges squeezing machine advertised as revolusionary because it allows people to stop squeezing oranges with their chin! Homer obviously buys one.
Anyway, my point is that this "revolutionary" new feature from apple makes me think of Homer. Do actually any of you have such great trouble finding lost files that you require such a search function?
I mean whats the point in using a search engine if you already need to know what to look for? If you know what to look for you probably also know were to look for, unless you are in the habit of systematically randomly distributing your files!
It's Greeeeaaaaaaatttttt!
Well, clearly, you have never used one, but it is all your loss, not ours...
Oh well, what the hell...
The Mini isn't "supposed" to be a high end workstation...
Hell for ~300 more you could buy a friggin G5 (1500)
or a powerbook (not an ibook...a POWERbook.) or the high end ibook with a superdrive...
Mini is supposed to be a cheap ass Mac Box to compete with a cheap ass WinBox.
And all your old stuff isn't useless..Check to see if your Video Card has mac drivers for it (Nvidia / ATI have used the same chipsets bi-platform before so its possible) On the DVD burner just buy a external USB/FireWire case for it (~40-60) and it'll work just fine.
"...spotlight means you no longer care where things are, they simply exist and the context becomes the "path"..." ...which is soooo much easier than putting something where it BELONGS!
For the sarcasm impaired the above comment was sarcasm.
What happens if (when) 'spotlight' throws a gear and can't properly search for context and the users have dropped their files where-ever the hell the wanted to?
The problem with newer OS's is that they're simple enough for any f**king idiot to use.
Newslfash! Computers aren't simple! They are immensely complex. Modern OS's are TOO easy for anyone to pick up use. And when these simple users get their data munged or lost they'll blame the OS vendor rather than take responsibility for their own ignorance.
7. Slashdot smartass
You probably use SuSE or Mandrake, which increases your productivity some 300% over that of any given competing product, or rather would if you wouldn't waste your time copy'n'pasting (yes, X supports it at long last!) stupid second-hand cliches from some lame website into slashdot. You hang around and wait until you get "Score:5, Funny", then you go to the bathroom and jerk off.
As always, it depends on the work you do. For me, it's either Windows or Mac to get the hardware support for one of my machines (every other machine is a *nix) slide scanners and other 'strange' hardware I really need to use. OF COURSE I'd prefer the Mac over the Windows machine anyday! So then, if you take your hardware costs coupled WITH software costs the Mac breaks even to a dreadful Windows box when you account for ALL the requried software to be as productive. For example, a antivirus subscription, firewall, spyware removal, good defragger, good backup, and many others...
Just a note about iChat AV and its ability to do a 4 person chat. They don't advertise this, but apparently you need a G5 to initiate the chats. If your Mac is anything less, like a notebook or the Mini, you're S.O.L.
You betcha... when it runs on an AMD processor. I would love to, but since Apple refuses to look at other hardware than what they have on their machines it isn't going to happen.
You have to give credit to Apple for one thing though, by controlling the hardware that the software runs on, they can pretty much guarentee a good end-user expirience, less possible combinations of hardware to worry about, and makes it possible to include every piece of hardware that apple approves in the O/S. It makes the development cycle alot shorter when you only have one platform with specific hardware to worry about. Granted it's a different way of doing things then every other O/S and computer on the market, but it works for people who know that the product they by will never have driver problems, you just have to pay a little bit more for that quality assurance.
root@allevil:~#
Usng both a Windows2K (was using XP for a while as well) computer and a Mac day to day, I can list some little things that annoy me on Windows that are solved by the Mac:
Lots of windows? Taskbar has two modes, neither of whcih work very well - either fold your icons together and make it really a bother to get to, or have the taskbar go to multiple lines. Expose is just SO much better a way of dealing with finding multiple windows.
Macs don't ever hide menu items just because you've not used them for a while.
Ever had a Windows Window no respond to you because a modal dialgue has popped up somewhere and that window is now obscuring it? Well, I have and Macs do not have that problem due to a much more intelligent way of handlind modal popups (it's embedded in the window that spawned it).
Config files for every app that are really text and editible (or removable) by hand.
UNIX utilities as first-class members of the OS and not something that clings to life within the system. Yeah I'm looking at you Cygwin!
Usable simple text editing app (TextEdit). Both Wordpad and Notepad have unique issues that means you can't just automatically use one or the other (why do you think they are both still there). Heck in Tiger you can just use TextEdit for 99% of your word processing since it reads/writes Word files and supports things like tables.
Everything supports save as PDF through printing interface. No need to use Acrobat.
A home directory that reallly is in one place!!! You don't have to search the whole hard drive to REALLY back up all your app settings. They are all under ~/Library.
When people talk about being more productive on a Mac, these are the kinds of things they mean. It's all the little annoyances that are part of using Windows day to day... you don't notice them after a while but each one makes you just a tiny bit slower and interrupts your workflow. In my experience Macs have a better sustained throughput for humans. Sure if you're just sitting there typing a letter one may not be faster than the other, but it's when you have to stop typing and make transitions when your odds of being interrupted are lower on Mac.
And for less subtle reasons - Spotlight? Dashboard? Automator? These are pretty compelling reasons all on thier own, especially if you can write code at all. And if you can't then Automator should be even more compelling.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
-- I like the cut of your thinking, young man. - me.
Beige box for slightly less than the price of an x86 whitebox, that runs Linux just fine and can never run MS-Windows nor x86 exploits.
Hmm.
This is too good to be true. Where's the catch?
Probably here: Apple can see no profitable reason to do it. I'll bet that a substantial number of Mac Minis now run Linux, and that if Apple dropped the price of an entry-level machine even further by selling a non-tiny one, they might wind up in the embarrassing situation of having more Macs running Linux than OS X. Never mind having t0t4l 0\/\/n3r5h!p of the desktop hardware market, we're gonna dummy-spit on 3... 2... 1...
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Automator is also the one I'm waiting for.
Speaking of pipes, did you notice that the automator is actually holding a pipe?
Nobody is mentioning the new H.264 codec either, which is gonna do wonders for pr0n.
And then, of course, speaking of pr0n, can you imagine the possibilites with virtual folders?
But I'm getting ahead of myself.
Can't wait for my copy to arrive tomorrow!
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
My problem with it is that it fragments the new mac users more than 10.3 did. Here is why.
They give the developer new tools/frameworks for easier better application development. These are great. HOWEVER, if you a developer choose to use those new features your software ONLY works on 10.4 (tiger) not on 10.3. core data for example
. Also it looks like apple won't make java 1.5 work on older versions of the mac OS, meaning they won't work on older versions the the OS either. This further fragmenting apples small market share, adding frustration to developers and software purchasers alike. You have to code with the older frameworks or compel your users to update. This is a not required but "strongly compelled upgrade"
Why are you comparing a dual 2.3GHz G5 to a dual 1.8GHz Opteron? These architectures, at least compared to a P4, are far more similar than dissimilar.
How much is a dual 2.2GHz Opteron? Or a 2.4GHz Opteron?
Where can you find such a good deal on such an Opteron?
GPL Deconstructed
I really like Spotlight, and I have to say that counter to your assessment that something needs to be built that will make things easier to organize that there are a lot of people that will never care and just dump documents somewhere.
However I do agree that for those that seek a cleaner path, a tool that made the creation of symlinks much easier for normal people would be cool. To some extent Smart Folders in spotlight and other systems fill this role in that a smart folder is sort of like getting a directory with links to all of the files from one subject. But I think you might end up with results not quite exactly what you want at times - like too many files or perhaps missing a few. So a tool that let you build a set of symlinks using spotlight as a base might be pretty interesting and has the possibility of eliminating the need for photo management apps for many people.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Here's the earlier post.
i just ordered a 15" powerbook, which will be my first mac (although i use them quite often away from home). aside from the usual benefits like "it just works", my main reason for switching is bsd.
for the past ten years, i've always used two computers, one with windows for a productive work environment + compatability and another with linux for programming and fun.
now with an apple on the way, i hope to get both of those in one machine.
Just a note about iChat AV and its ability to do a 4 person chat. They don't advertise this, but apparently you need a G5 to initiate the chats. If your Mac is anything less, like a notebook or the Mini, you're S.O.L.
How do you know this? Is there a webpage you can point me to? I have a PowerBook so this is disturbing to read.
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
Well, there are lots of people who believe in gods and evil spirits. The bottom line being that what you believe, isn't related to reality. Belief and truth are not the same thing. Actually, belief pretty much means that something is not true. Viri is a Latin word, you can go look it up yourself.
Oh well, what the hell...
I'm an engineer with degrees in Electrical and Computer Engineering. The problem with Macs is that they're not friendly to the scientific community. Essential programs like AutoCAD, most finite element programs and circuit simulation programs are just not available to Macs. Thats why no one in the engineering field gives Macs much attention.
One of the more important things in Tiger is that it has an interface for the blind (VoiceOver) built into the OS.
Now at first you might think "so what" but consider this. To get a voiced interface in Windows that the blind can use you must buy one of two add on products WindowEyes or Jaws. The retail price for either of these products is $850.00 for Jaws and $760.00 wor WindowEyes (WindowEyes will breaks under WindowsXP SP2.)
So consider this, for less that the price of either one of these products, and I've used both and neither one is a good as Apple's built in solution, you could BUY a new MacMini and get the screen reader built in. That's right folk you could get a NEW COMPUTER and the screenreader for less than the cost of the screenreading software alone under windows.
I predict here and now that Microsoft will buy one of the two screen readers for windows and bundle it with Windows. The makers other screen reader will promptly go out of business.
Is that where you can do a whole year's worth of product testing in a single day?
Nah, never mind. Who wants to employ a reviewer who turns into King Kong at full moons?
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
Jobs quoted in TODAY's WSJ...
Market share is "a lot less important than it once was," Mr. Jobs says. "I'm not sure it matters."
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur
...er...Multics. Multics was the first to have hierarchial directories. Of course, if you strictly use the name "folder," then Mac was the first, but since a folder is just a silly name for a directory, Multics, the Great-Great-Great-Grandfather of Mac OS X, was the first.
...Apache, OpenSSHd and PostgreSQL all run just fine on XP Home. $0 each, simple to install and configure.
A Mac Mini RRPs for about AUD$799 here sans screen and with OS X bundled. I'll ring them tomorrow and find out if and how much for one without OS X. I can build a near-equivalent x86 whitebox (40GB HDD, 256MB RAM) for about AUD$450. If I could buy a naked PowerPC box of any physical size from Apple for about $550, I would be recommending them to customers like there was no tomorrow. Runs Linux but not x86 cracks, doesn't run Windows. Paradise.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
"$129 is still too expensive for the average home user to consider"
I forked over $199 for a family pack so I can upgrade five of my Macs to 10.4 (the others are "classic" Macs running OS 7-9). And I'll still keep my XP machine mostly blocked from the Internet to keep crap off my network.
I have the money burning a hole in my pocket. But its not burning so hot that I'll buy a G4 with a 167mhz FSB for $2,500. Particularly when I can get a roughly equal notebook for significantly less from several other vendors.
I keep tell the apple fanboys that the Powerbook lineup is old and CREAKY at this point, but they all say the same thing "Its fast enough for me". As if that help.
Ok, that was a little smarmy but...
I already tried gdesklets and I just do NOT need to have a widget telling me the weather, I've windows in my house, thanks.
Well I live in Colorado and the weather is something to be aware of even if you have a window - if you're going on a trip longer than fifteen minutes it's helpful to have an idea of the weather when you go out. Like yesterday when it was sunny and warm out and then BOOM - spring blizzard.
Also the weather is handy to have easily at hand when planning things like dinners or nights to go out.
So the weather is one of the first things going my my Dashboard! That and a calculator and a simple calendar.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Well done, thats the very first post. If Mr "You're just a cut & paste" up there would care to check, he'll notice there are spelling and grammer corrections in later versions. That's because I keep it upto date.
Why yes though, I do use Mandrake. Before that, I used Redhat. Both work about as well as any other Linux distribution I.e. not very well. Your point?
Evidentally there is enough of "under the hood" changes to the kernel network API's that CISCO's VPN client is incompatible. CISCO is working on it reportedly but it will not be out before the end of May. This is a MAJOR show stopper for Tiger deployment where I work.
The reason that there is so little malware for the mac - is beacuse very few people are writing mainstream applications for the OS.
:)
Windows is still Industry Standard - and all you mac and linux zealots can do nothing to change it (well - not just yet anyway
At the moment, you can't go into PCworld, Game, Staples, etc and buy "Joe's Recipe Database" for *nix (linux or OSX). For the foreseeable future, the world is running Windows.
It is just one of those things. However, one day Micosoft will make a mistake, and they _will_ lose their domanace over the PC industry. I think it will happen when there is a completly new kind of hardware that is taken up.
My $0.02
TheLogster
check it out.... however it's still a little buggy when doing 2 level crawling... mmh... pr0n.
Offtopic! Irrelevant!
Linus doesn't use OS X! He uses a Power Mac because they're well built (if expensive) workstations and he felt it was important to have a core developer running on non-x86 hardware...
He told me he's sorry he created people like you who consistently miss the point. he said he felt bad creating now in hindsight, because everybody calls you "asshat" behind your back. Women think you're creepy, and if you manage to breed, your kids will run away from home by the time they're 9.
He said he'll make it up by never screwing up so badly before. But he said on the plus side, you're good training for him to throw lighting bolts at.
Umm....
No?
BZZT! Bad troll, no cookie!
There's plenty of games in OSX, even newer ones like WoW. There's just no great GPUs because Apple is retarded when it comes to GPUs.
Makes you look like an idiot!
/. readers, so you make your post anonymous.
A) You're so anal & smug that you feel the need to correct someone's innocent mistake, making sure to insult them in the process
B) And you're realistic enough to know that doing this is not going to make you popular with the
What's worse? A guy who mistypes a word, while making an otherwise legit post, or someone who feels the need to show their superiority by correcting them, all the while knowing that to do so is both uncool, and a waste of everyones time?
The plethora of Mac's gee-whiz features (dashboard, rendezvous, expose, neato startup modes) that barely get used are becoming less and less valuable to me as the Apple hardware continues to lag behind.
I think that's an unfair statement unless you use a Mac day to day. Some of them look like eye candy but really are not. Rondevouz really is useful if you have two or more computers. I use Expose pretty heavily as it's a great productivity tool. And while I do not yet have dashboard I know how often I turn to the calculator or calendar to know I'll find it handy.
And while yes you can get a slower older no-name computer for less and put Linux on it so it's usable, it's still a lot of bother. I ran Linux for a long time as well, and still do at work (on one of two computers) where it's either that or Windows. But I really enjoy not having to spend time fiddling with a computer at home and just working on it, that's what Macs excel at.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
" I would prefer they just give us every upgrade for free!! "
They do. I get my free upgrades at that new store... Bit Torrent's or something like that.
A five-Mac license is available for $150 after Amazon rebate, too, although it's worth noting that Mac OS X is not copy-protected and requires no Windows-style activation.
In other words, feel free to borrow that Tiger CD from your friend and install it on your Mac. If anyone mentions it, just tell them David Pogue said it's ok.
Ha, ha.
Your mom's a whore.
CoreImage, CoredData, and Spotlight (the API) are the things you're getting under the covers which are going to make a lot of interesting apps possible.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
thanks for reading
Liger is going to pretty much be my favorite OS. its bred for its skills in stability and magic.
thats pretty much my best post ever. I spent like 3 hours typing it.
I dunno. I love my ipod, but it's been in the shop 3 times now. According to the last tech who I talked to (and a few end users who I've met), a LOT of people are having hardware problems with their iPods. I've also heard some friends complaining that their powerbooks have had hardware problems. I'm beginning to suspect that, while their software is really good, their hardware is low-quality stuff made overseas...
So... you didn't knew there was Doom 3 for Mac?
Watch out, they're cathing up...
Comparing process clock cycles between x86 chips and powerpc chips is a meaningless exercise. It's how much gets done during each cycle that's important. Much harder to casually measure, so use the machines you are interested in and see how you like their responsiveness in the tasks you like to do.
Go to the Apple store, play with a computer in your price range. Edit some photos, browse the web, launch some apps, mess around. And then do the same on a comparable system at (Best Buy, Fry's, etc) and see what you think.
Or go to CompUSA and hit both in one store.
Fedex-Tracker Dashboard Widget ..
Yet.
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
Is it just me, or do the two most-hyped new applications in Tiger (Dashboard and Spotlight) bear a striking resemblance to two Linux apps that I've been using for some time already (Desklets and Beagle)?
Automator is *really* cool for a 1.0 app.
On my first demo of it, I created a desktop 'droplet' icon that allows account execs at my shop to drop a job order or update document on an icon, it creates a new email, summarizes the file in the body, attaches the file, sends it to the appropriate people with the correct job number in the subject line, and files it in the sent mail archive specific to which client the job number refers to.
I did this in three minutes flat on the first day I played with it.
There's a ton of reliance still on using shell script glue if you're doing super complex stuff, but once more actions (like applescript dictionaries) are available for common apps right in the automator window, people are going to start creating some amazing stuff.
fortunately, yes it will...
i'm the jedidiahmarkfoster your parents warned you about
I've windows in my house, thanks
I hate to have to point out the obvious and I don't make the claim that Dashboard is a tool you need, but do you understand the difference between looking out your fucking window and a weather FORECAST? Unless you're Karnack, you might want to know that showers are expected in the late afternoon. Weather forecasts are different than the current weather.
Virtual memory does not mean "swapped out" memory. It simply means "allocated memory space". As long as you do not actually use this memory, it's free for other programs to use, will not cause any swapping and does not consume any RAM whatsoever.
use vmmap <pid> to get the memory map of an actual application. At the end, you'll get something like
All ReadOnly portions can be shared with other applications.Donate free food here
too bad the piece of shit won't run on Intel PC's...
too bad i'm a piece of shit, and can't afford Apple hardware...
After reading the Pogue article (one of my favorite writers), and seeing him mention that Dashboard is like Konfabulator, I must ask this (not having yet used Tiger): Isn't Spotlight pretty much like Launchbar? http://www.obdev.at/products/launchbar/ I'm not saying exactly, but just like Spotlight, LB you type your hotkeys (cmd-space, in my case, just like Spotlight), and just start typing and it'll bring up any file on the hd, any program, any mp3 or document, etc. It doesn't do searching inside of docs though, that's true.
-Daniel
I have an 1ghz iBook G4 that I had done a clean install of Panther a month ago and installed Tiger directly over the top when I received it yesterday. It works beautifully. My roomate has a 1.2ghz Powerbook that's Panther installation dates back to the reciept of the machine over a year and half ago, and Tiger runs like shit on it. It broke everything. Connecting Firewire devices gives him Apple's Screen of Death (I didn't know it even existed . . . the screen goes black and white and says shit in a whole bunch of languages), Expose is broke, his widgets don't work, Spotlight is slow as hell, networking busted . . . wiping his drive and reinstalling clean fixed all of this. Just something to keep in mind.
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few will ever see, let alone use Why is that?
The virtual memory indicator under OSX includes all mapped files and shared libraries. So large portions of that 100MB are shared between the different widgets ( and probablyu safari too ) but are reported multiple times because they are mapped to many virtual addresses ( Even though they only take up the same amount of actual space plus a tiny amount of overhead ).
using Safari with ads blocked, and I didn't see the M$ junk. wanna switch?
Anybody know how to use the ACL stuff on an HFS+ volume? I tried 'chmod a+ "foo allow write" bar', but all I get is "Operation not supported". ACLs are a big deal, but not if they're not supported on the standard file system. Do I need to switch to UFS or HFS+ Case-Sensitive?
No honestly, Tiger will be all good when I get it, I'm sure, and I really like my Mac, but sincerly is that breaking news? Walt Mossberg raving on the Mac, or anything Apple? He is the Turrot of Mac, that's not a big news...
Automater is far easier to use than what you're linking to. Automater is accessible to the general user. DCOP requires significantly more computer experience. Still, I didn't know DCOP was there. I'll have to check it out.
If you mod me down, I shall become less powerful than you could possibly imagine.
"Definite" means that something has a limit or end, similar to "finite" or "finish." If you can remember what in means to finish something, you can spell "definitely" correctly every time.
From reading both stories it seems like a sleeper hit feature with the mass market might be the parental controls it offers. Since you can give your kid a seperate account you can also use that account to specify which web sites they can browse, forward all emails from them to you, limit who they can send emails to and have an email go to you first for aprpoval before it is transmitted if they are not on the list.
:-)
This feature was mentioned in both stores and I had not even noticed it before. But they sure seemed to be impressed by it, enough to mention it right alongside the major new features like spotlight or dashboard.
Personally I am a little creeeped out but the thought of parents exceting this much control over kids lives - I don't have kids but I'd like to imagine I would allow them more freedom than this. But parents are doing this kind of stuff anyway and I suppose on the plus side for kids parents will never notice when these features have been circumvented or they start talking in code. And any feature that drives kids to be more crafty has to be good as far as I'm concerned...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Also checkout Raster's site.
Can you imagine a graphics system that runs on PDAs, your computer from 1999, and your shiny new boxes? E17 is just f'ing brilliant.
Odd post.
You seem smart enough, but you mention waiting for a G5 PowerBook for two years. Even those with a cursory knowledge of the Mac world realise that your first year was massively, rose-coloured-glasses optimistic, and your second year was not going to shape up well either.
So... you didn't use a computer for those two years..? Or were you waiting for a G5 PowerBook at an iBook price and you're unhappy that Apple have failed you in this?
You also just don't understand memory handling. There's another post with the answer, but really, why would you bring Windows memory handling knowledge into the world of Unix and expect things to make sense?
Your post seems to boil down to the usual "I want a top Mac for under $200 and if Apple don't make it, they're a complete rip-off." Your system seems to be ideal for you - powerful at an insanely low price. If it does what you want, then you're out on top and good luck to you.
For my part, I'm happy on my little iBook that does everything I need it to, cost me very little and actually runs better after each major OS X release (as they further optimise for G4/G5 and reduce G3 and earlier code).
I keep seeing all of these posts where someone mentions they can get a PC with 'X' ram, 'X' HD, 'X' CPU for 'X' cheaper than a Mac... You can also go buy a $1000 Honda and add all sorts of ground effects, spoilers, lights, and other 'performance' mods and have a pretty quick little car that will beat a BMW 740il soundly... But it's still a Honda. And unless you're stupid, you'll wind up going down the road at the exact same speed as that Beemer. The only difference is that you added all of that stuff to your car, you know every rattle and squeak, tolerate the lousy ride because you can corner like no ones business, have bass that can make your neighbors evaporate, and you can fix any of it easily or upgrade it... Meanwhile the guy with the Beemer has a 10-year warrantee that covers tears in the upholstery and doesn't have to think about the car, he just drives it. He gets to spend his weekends out playing with his kids rather than tweaking a new intake manifold, can drive the car from Denver to L.A. without worrying about the radiator being two sizes too small for the type-R motor that has been shoehorned into the car, and his stock sound system is pretty nice because he doesn't need 3000 watts to overcome the #10 coffee can exhaust system. Of course the average /.'er drives a VW Thing that was hand built by everyone he/she knows, only runs on methanol that he/she makes in the back yard, has the steering wheel on the wrong side, and requires three keys to start. ;)
I was strongly considering upgrading from Panther to Tiger just for the spotlight feature - finding things is always a chore (although still not as bad as the Windows "Find file " feature which i can start a search, go to lunch, come back, and it is still not finished). But, with 1000s of emails (many containing vital information) in Entourage, and that program not currently supported by the new search feature, there is nothing for me to do but wait.
This thread is useless without pics!
Yes, you need the G5 to initiate the chat, but anyone can be on the other end. And I believe its only if you are doing video chat. I could be wrong though.
Reports that NY Times writer David Pogue found a severed finger in his copy of the new operating system have not been confirmed, although there is photographic evidence in his video review.
HIV Crosses Species Barrier... into Muppets
So... if Macs start getting more market share from Tiger, what will the EU do? Would OS X have to be stripped of its most compelling features? I can see it now: Mac OS X Tiger Reduced Productivity Edition, without Spotlight, Quicktime, Dashboard, etc.
My powerbook gets uptimes of MONTHS. I reboot in the rare, rare event of a security patch that requires it (usually kernel stuff I think). When I want to use the computer, I open it up and it's ready in UNDER 3 seconds, everything running. When I'm done, I just close the lid and the laptop sleeps. I do this a dozen times a day, for MONTHS without a single thing freezing. The notion of rebooting or turning a computer off at night is archaic and obsolite for me.
:)
Another ease-of-use thing is this: I don't maintain ANYTHING. Patches are automatically checked for daily, and install automatically, on their own. No virii or spyware to worry about. Backups happen automatically to another comp via FTP. OSX defrags ON THE FLY! I don't "do" anything to maintain the comp. I just USE it. Being a programmer/geek/self-employed computer lover, it is so sweet going to this setup after living with Dos 3.22 through Windows XP SP2 and everything in between. I'll shut up now
I'm a Mac dealer. I use Logic, Pro Tools, but not too much video stuff.
My laptop (x86_64) gets more plugins in Pro Tools LE than a second generation Dual 2.0 G5, even though the G5 has 1GB versus 512 RAM on my laptop. That's not a fluke - I get faster results on P4s as well. Check out duc.digidesign.com for more information if you're really interested.
Someone with points spend them on the parent, please. That is probably one of the best analogies I've read in a long, long while.
Crap, they snagged my shortcut. I use command-space as a Snergy.app shortcut to toggle iTunes play and pause. Now every time I try to start and stop my music I'm going to get a spotlight search box, I guess, unless I can change that shortcut -- I doubt it.
Well, fortunately, I'm never first in line to upgrade my Mac anyway. It will probably be a few months for me. I should go ahead and change my Synergy shortcut now to start getting used to something new.
RP
Sounds like you're suffering with the stock 128MB of ram your 800mhz "flat panel mac" came with.
In the time it took for you to post this, you could have upgraded the RAM in your hated "flat panel Mac".
If you don't even know or can't even bother to give us the appropriate designation of the machine you own, or call your machine "slow" without even mentioning how much ram the machine is using, how are we supposed to take your rant seriously?
Four weeks, Twenty papers, that's two dollars
Not irrelevant (well, of course, this discussion is not very relevant). I reacted on your statement that OS X doesn't run on your favorite processor, so Linux on X86 was the obvious answer. It's not, since lots of people love Power and its siblings, notably to run various flavors of Linux or BSD on them. Among them Linus, and I know very well he doesn't run OS X, I presumed you did as well.
Therefor, I think it's not fair to judge OS X on the hardware it runs on, or to judge the hardware because it doesn't use your favorite processor. Those are arguments that might make sense to you, but I bet there aren't many people who agree with you.
This is as far as discussing this goes, what you use and for what reason is of course your choice, but not agreeing with you has nothing to do with fan-boyism whatsoever.
I think, therefore I am...I think.
Agreeed.. Definitely do a clean reinstall, or run Software Update before you go to Tiger if you plan on upgrading.
Don't know if this is true with OS X, but other Un*xes I've used have file system performance go to hell when individual folders have lots of files in them. Spotlight-dependent people may just dump everything in ~/Documents (default destination for lots of applications), then wonder why their system slows to a crawl when they open a document or create a new one.
I assume Apple has thought of this already and hacked the hell out of the file system for scalable performance on large directories... right?
To a Lisp hacker, XML is S-expressions in drag.
If only Apple considered releasing MacOS X for Intel... (sigh)... I would dump both Windows and Linux.
I have my PC for years - I just upgrade as I can afford to (which isn't much or often). A Mac can't be kept reasonably update for £100 (~$175) a year - a PC can. If I move completely over to Linux (as I've been planning for about 5 years - damn games) then it would probably cost even less. Don't get me wrong OSX is nice but I can't afford even a quarter of a Mac Mini let alone anything else.
To Slashdot or not to Slashdot. That is the question (that will cause me to fail an interview)
...I'll ditch Windows for a MAC. And I think that days coming soon, cuz there is alot of little hints floating around that when you add them up, you get the conclusion that Apple, IBM, and Sony have something up there sleeves.
Its pretty cool that Apple choose to include XGrid as part of Tiger -- software to distribute complex tasks among a number of networked machines. Before it was only XCode (now updated to v2) that did distributed compiles. But XGrid should lead to more applications designed to take advantage of networked Macs for CPU-intensive operations.
The problem is the example desklets aren't very interesting. It's like when people ask what the point of Tablet PCs is and they've got the marketing image of execudroids taking notes at meetings. Silly.
A desklet that would actually be some use is a
No, I don't expect Apple to do anything they don't want to do. I absolutely respect their vision, and if my grandmother needed a computer, she'd have a Mini in a heartbeat. I have one just because I sell Macs and I use it to keep my familiarity level high.
I've had various laptops during those years, and my girlfriend still uses the 1.5ghz 15" powerbook that I purchased last fall. But when I put that down and pickup my Athlon 64 laptop, things are just faster in XP and Ubuntu. OpenOffice, Firefox, every game I ever play...
My point is, people who like technology and are willing to fuss with it a little bit (like me) are really drawn to the Macs, because the operating system is the nicest we've seen. However, the investment in comparably fast hardware is something like 100% more. For me, that doesn't make any sense. The features don't deserve that kind of price tag - I know that's not true for everyone, but it is true for me.
i'd just like to proudly say that i'm selling my Alienware 51-m laptop and buying a new Powerbook =)
Good lord. That's the funniest one of all. Too bad I'm out of mod points.
Just thanks.
I did say in my message I did not have kids. I fully admit that my viewpoint might be altered somewhat if I had them. So please don't hold too much against me as I am just saying what I feel from my own experiences as a kid (which as you say have altered over time for kids today). If nothing else I do appreciate parents having the choice to use technology in this way.
I also am getting Tiger shortly, though I plan to go to Apple store as it's always a fun event. A lot more work than the UPS though!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
What version of OS X is it running?
I know it's throwing more money at the issue. But, all the successive versions of OS X are noticably faster (yes, even on older hardware). So it might be worth a $170 gamble to see if you can bring your 800MHz machine back to usability.
Failing that, you should sell it. Someone wants it.
I got my Gen3 iPod last June. I haven't had one problem with it.
I got my PowerBook 15" 1.67 GHz fully maxed out a couple of months ago. I haven't had a problem with it (although it's only been a couple of months).
I don't see the quality issues you're talking about.
Yep... the asshat didn't upgrade his RAM, bummer for him. I'll take it off of your hands...
Do you understand that games aren't operating systems?
I'm comparing two operating systems and their primary platforms - Darwin on PPC and Linux on x86. I'm saying Linux has all of the features, but no eye candy, so when Enlightenment, or another window manager that's stable with good eye candy arrives, OS X 10.4 will not be so appealing.
Not so appealing, of course, if you can't imagine looking more than ten minutes into the future.
Let's not forget one of the MOST powerful parts of Spotlight: the ability to make smart folders. Now, if you have a business you're going to want to make sense of some hard folders. But, for everything else you can set up alias folders that are based on criteria that will grab anything associated to that criteria into a smart folder.
That's the new hotness.
"Politicians find new names for institutions which under old names have become odious to the people."
PC prices have dropped, and dropped faster than Mac prices.
So has the quality, the security...
Somethings are worth paying good money for, somethings are cheap in more ways than one.
You can't take the sky from me...
I used to deal with PDF technical docs at my last job. We had 18 volumes of user guides and when you had to find the definition of a specific term without knowing how it fit into the scheme of things, searching those 18 volumes was a real chore.
I've been using Google's desktop search a lot at my current job. It might eventually help with your PDF problems. Currently, it doesn't seem to index PDF content, but their regular websearch does. So perhaps they'll add that functionality in the near future. I'm looking forward to Spotlight in Tiger. I like getting straight to information with Google's search toolbar a lot. Like when I need to find a person's email address, previously, I'd have to open my mail program, re-sort the mail list by name instead of date, then scroll to find the person's name. Now, I just type the person's name in the Google desktop search field, and it retrieves the text of the emails from that person and usually their email address is right there.
Seth
$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
Define "a lot". Millions of people own iPods. If only 1% are having issues, that's tens of thousands of people with broken iPods. If there were truly a problem, I'd have to believe it would be all over the Mac media.
Someone was telling me Apple has gone through and updated most of the file-handling tools to honour HFS+ meta-data. Is this true? Is there a list someplace of which ones they worked on?
Also, is there any tool under Tiger that can query for Rendezvous/Bonjour services? I couldn't find anything like that in Panther, though maybe I wasn't looked hard enough.
Why would you wait for 2 years for 'bouncy icons' in the first place?
Why are you looking at desktop hardware when you've been waiting for a laptop?
How do you get through a day when you don't even know who you are, or what you want?
Congrats on your new laptop. I'm sure you won't miss a thing.
I love how my post got modded as flamebait. I was serious. If Apple actually released a version of OSX for X86 I wouldn't think twice about getting rid of Windows.
I would love to run OSX but I am not about to go and buy a whole new machine just to run a different OS. And this is probably why linux will have a better chance at knocking some of MS usershare over to it than Apple.
If you're getting tired of the Mac crap, then you should have read enough to know that as a gaming platform, the Mac is only adequate; however, it's an entirely kick-ass productivity machine, and that's what people have been talking about. For email, web, music, graphics, software development, etc., it smokes the competition. Buy a Mac for grown-up stuff, and a console for the kids (or your inner child, if you have one).
It also must be said that, as a person whose family is at least familiar with pig wrestling, you are probably not representative of Apple's target demographic. Just sayin'...
Does anybody have any idea where OpenGL stands in Tiger? Does it meet the 2.0 spec? I know Apple was trying to hire an OpenGL guru a few months back to help tune performance. It would be really nice if they brought OpenGL up to par with Tiger.
I'm aware of all of this. And I love E, it would be my WM of choice if it had kept pace with tech advances. I'm really looking forward to E17 too, but I applied to college, went to college, graduated and got a full time job in the time since it was announced.
My point (aside from a joke) was that it's not really reasonable comparing a current technology with something that could still be years away from release.
SO works at apple, mentioned the same thing. It's because their scaling/shading/etc. ops are just too intensive for the slower hardware. The dumb part is that you can't turn them off.
Yes, it is true that it takes time to build something and that time is money. Therefore, by building something one can conclude that we are investing money.
However, what a lot of people fail to realize is that by buying a more expensive machine (a Mini in this case), you have to work to make that extra money as well. And to make the money you have to invest time.
Therefore, in the end, whether you buy a more expensive piece of equipment or go for a cheaper and then invest some of personal time to bring it to workable state should likely yield comparable amount of investment. Yet, if you build something yourself in an non-restrictive environment you will be ultimately a lot better than simply buying a closed commercial product because you will have the more direct control over the end-product as well as a greater sense of personal attachment with the creation as you have, after all, participated in its conception.
Linus uses a mac because he was given one for free.
Try the G3 dual USB iBooks, entire product family.
Granted, Apple is great at repairing the "Logic Board" issue free, but it is still annoying to be without your lapdog for a week or two every 3-4 months.
Gee, what kind of sucker pays $130 for a service pack? Let alone someone who already was duped by this already buying Panther? The level of changes and the kind of changes that were made here, on the windows side, is called a Service Pack, and they are FREE!!!!!
Admittedly, less software is being packed with Stuffit, and the built-in 'archive' works great. I had to grab the old version when I ran an 'archive and install' from my old restore disc, because there's still some stuff out there that uses it.
I'm rather disappointed that Stuffit has gone the way of Real, but oh well. Nothing like digging your own grave. I'll be interested in seeing how Stuffit is doing in 6 months.
It's rather telling that that is my biggest annoyance I've found so far - Tiger rocks.
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/darwin/
And if you freelance for $80/hr or are self employed for $120/hr, that time you spend building a computer or buying one is worth how much?
Lets face it. If we were pulling in $80-120/hr, we wouldn't be niggling over a few hundred dollars in the price of a computer.
People who build their computers seem to fall into two general camps. 1)Those who do it because they enjoy it, and 2) those who do it because they don't have the available cash to drop on an over-priced pre-built system. If they have a little money and some free time, they choose to spend some of that free time building instead of the money to pay someone else to build it.
I currently fit into both groups. I generally try to get the best deal I can on parts. I don't mind spending my time building the computer because I really enjoy it. Now I am starting to make more money, and I have a baby on the way so it may come to pass in the not to distant future that the exchange rate of my time to the money saved may not be worth it, and I may choose to buy a pre-built system the next time I'm ready to upgrade; but it's hardly fair to say that my time is currently worthless just because I choose to spend some of it building my computers.
Ender-
Nothing to see here
I have a G5 Powerbook at work...
Unless this guy works in the Apple skunkworks, this is highly impossible. Nice try, troll. The rest of his post is suspect as well... The OS X native version of Office sucks?!? Wonder why MS's Mac OS X development team keeps receiving accolades for it...
Seth
$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
my iPod is made in China .. the other hardware is probably made there as well .. just next to plant where they make any other electronic product we buy .. The Chineese make it, we buy it.
.. yet ;-)
Haven't had problems with the iPod
Duke Nukem Forever is much better than World of Warcraft.
The only thing that worried me is that each instance of a widget in Dashboard took 5-10MB of real memory and about 100MB of virtual memory. Any real Mac guru's know what the hell that is about?
I believe all the 100MBs are the exact same 100MBs, shared among the various widgets.
Dashboard uses the WebKit, which means that each widget would have the whole Cocoa framework loaded in, and then some.
But OS X only maps in Cocoa and the rest once. It isn't duplicated in memory for every Cocoa app and Dashboard widget.
September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area Cocoa Programmer Quincy, MA
"Overseas"? Something being made overseas in no way indicates its quality. I assume you are an American to have made such a statement. American's can make crap just like everyone else.
This guy are sick.
The question: Why doesn't Apple port their OS to Intel hardware?
The old answer: Because the vast majority of Apple's revenue depends on the MAC, which includes the Apple proprietary hardware. To fuss with this equation would mean taking a risk with the very fabric of the company. Apple does not see the wisdom in this.
I know there are a few other reasons such as application portability and having to create more of a driver model to the OS, but I have always believed the primary reason is Apple stability.
Now, given that the excellent iPod now makes up over 30% of Apple's revenue, the release of Tiger, which at first blush (and from my inside knowledge of Longhorn) blows the doors off the future Microsoft offerings, why wouldn't Apple reconsider the option of porting Tiger to the Intel platform? I have heard from a number of people, some informed, some dreamers, some drug influenced, that Apple DOES have an Intel port of Tiger in a back room, and that in fact they have aways created an INtel version of every OS they create.
Given all of the above, combined with the growing anti-Windows anxiety I keep hearing, I would ask the following question:
What would be the effect on the Windows market ($15BILLION+ Microsoft revenue stream) if you could order a Dell platform and choose between Windows and Tiger?
I believe the effect to Microsoft would be immediate and huge. I am not a MAC owner, the last MAC I used was in 1993. However, I am a semi-professional photographer and the MAC is looking better and better to me all the time. In my real life I am an Executive Consultant and have to use Windows because that is what everyone else uses. I am getting VERY close to purchasing a dual-G5, the Tiger OS may push me over the edge. The reason I hesitate? I just am not comfortable with the closed hardware model. If I could put Tiger on my existing six systems at home, I would not hesitiate.
Apple, are you missing out on an opportunity to win the war here??????
A most overlooked advantage to owning a computer is if they foul up there's no law against wacking them around a bit.
Tiger is the classiest version of Mac OS X ever and, by many measures, the most secure, stable and satisfying consumer operating system prowling the earth.'
I have one Mac user and he made his MAc os x crash big time by applying a patch!! talk about stability, he had to go to a MAC shop fot them to run programms and finally re-install everything.
You cant even ctrl-alt-del or use safemode to restore to a previuosly good config.
Microsoft may have some bugs but at least they have tools to help you restore your desktop 90 % of the time without having to re-install everything.
--Mac user will have only one finger in the future--
What? How could you not pay for a search, quicktime, printing, etc upgrade... err.. I mean, new OS release?
And of course you would never think to go to one of those "evil" sites that allow you to download it for free! By doing that you wouldn't be paying and supporting Apple for a minor up... I mean new OS release!
if you want a Mac without an OS, then go buy your PC shitbox and be happy with it. nobody cares
One thing I have noticed so far is that Expose seems a lot less fluid than in Panther. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I going mad? The difference is noticable even with only a couple of windows on the desktop.
Yes, I absolutely have noticed the slowness. I'm sitting here on my dual G5 2.0GHz with 1.5GB RAM and (what I thought was) a decent graphics card and its definitely a LOT less smooth than in Panther.
Another thing that I've noticed is a problem with font smoothing on my home machine, a Quicksilver G4 with a GeForce3 card. For some reason, most of my fonts look like total crap. I've tried every permutation of the font smoothing settings but nothing seems to help. Has anyone else seen this problem?
And please explain to me how freeware ups the cost of the OS
Time.
Is.
Money.
Dickhead.
When did they ever have any other reaction to Apple's announcements? They are always raving, just a raving bunch of creative, sofisticated, exclusive, wankers. Apple fans remind me of my old drill sarg... simply incapable of talking like the rest of us, always screaming on top of their lungs "overaccentuating" every word :) Don't misunderstand me, I like Macs, Macs are great, Herman Miller Aeron Chairs are great, Duncan Taylor Cask Strength single malts are great... but are they so great I would give in to using one proprietary hardware running proprietary OS? No! 'Cause I like variety! This is what America is all about, variety! Macs are unamerican! Buying Macs you're aiding Taliban!
This has been stated by Mossberg and not contradicted in at least the first few Google results.
And the standard delete key on a Mac works like the backspace key, not the delete key, in Windows. Mac desktop keyboards have a second, Windows-type delete key, but Mac laptops lack one.
This is 50% true. If you hold Function and push backspace, you get the desired forward-delete. There are two problems with this: a) it isn't labeled directly on the keyboard and b) it is ugly to describe. But I assure you it becomes habit very quickly.
Has anyone tried the *cough* piratebay *cough* Tiger release on PearPC? Even after converting the .dmg to .iso it says boot file not found or something.
Where is this magical non-overseas factory that never makes faulty products?
Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
I have a particular PC that has served as my workstation, HTPC (home theater PC) and is currently a file server. I have been using Win XP Pro for all of these purposes. XP Pro is fine for workstations, but not that great for HTPCs or servers. I really needed Media Center for the HTPC and 2k3 for my server.
A PC often gets retasked during its lifetime. It would be great if you could just flip a few administrative switches and get the behavior you want. Windows will never do this because M$ makes too much money selling differentiated OSes. Linux would be good at this if anyone was willing to expend the effort to come up with these functions in just one distro (or maybe someone has?) Solaris and MacOS are both all inclusive, but they have certain functional gaps.
I've had Tiger for a week and should warn that while everything seems to work fine, a major problem for some videographers is that QuickTime is upgraded autyomaticaly to QT7, and those with QT6.5Pro are SOL. Your QT6.5Pro license DOESN'T carry over to QT7. You could open the 6.5 app if you archive it. But the hassle is with Safari's pluggin. And once you go through this, you can't reinstall QT6.5 using QT installer.
And anyone can become a developer.
I wouldn't be surprised if people like Mossberg forked over the $500 or so to be a "developer". Sure you still have to sign NDA's but you get a couple months or so to see how things are panning out. By a week before the final release you have a good idea of what outstanding bugs and issues were present. You can also read a little and figure out which have been fixed and which are still present. I would imagine this is how many of the people who review these products are able to write good reviews.
-- john
Yeah? well, i can get condoms for free, but do i us e them? No
I fired up Apple's Mail and although there were counts on my mailboxes, as soon as I clicked on them, the counts disappeared and there was nothing inside. Where did all my archived mail go? Even though I use Gmail mostly nowadays, I need to be able to access old mail for archival purposes. Anyone else see a bug like this when upgrading to Tiger?
How are you measuring that? It's possible that we have a utility that's showing memory usage misleadingly.
Dashboard clients are little Web Views, which means they rely on Web Kit. Web Kit is a shared framework; it only gets loaded into memory once.
It's possible that whatever you were using to measure that reported the memory usage of Web Kit once per Dashboard client, which is not correct.
The dual G5 would destroy it in 99% of tests.
It'll run about $500 + tax and shipping and is kind of cute.
I concur. It took Macs 20 minutes to copy 17 MB file. ;P
Look, Spotlight = robust Launchbar, and Dashboard = Konfabulator. This is nothing short of a tweak-fest on the part of the Apple developers going on the business crap that is lacking from the upper management. ... OSX is still that... OSX.
I have NO CLUE why people are raving about this release like its a change from OS 9 to 10.0. Its slow, certain applications crash, and there are networking issues for certain issues. Sure, the propanda machine is running, and this run-up is great and all - but its just a money making release with a number of updates that give a modest gain to market share.
Longhorn is going to suck more, and for all the window-nites
I'm die-hard mac user, don't get me wrong, but this release is just to "refresh" the OS in the same way they refresh hardware lines.
Its a good operating system, and its pretty and all - but its just not revolutionary in terms of standards of the PREVIOUS OS releases. Not even CLOSE.
Oh YEAH look at these *new* features!
Envelope Printing
System Info Command
Improved Display Alert
Calendar Widget
Disk Utility Improvements
Document Properties
Save as HTML
Scientific Calculator
Equalizer
About This Mac
Font Libraries
Damn, seems to me that you're just licking the friggin koolaid of Jobs' dick.
searchable/sortable metadata. I'm not talking about Spotlight; just being able to search for files based on what's in the "comments" field, or by its label; or to be able to sort a detail view by comment or by label. God I miss that here at work...
Viri means "men."
Virus (="slime," the root of the common English word) is a fourth-declension collective noun. Its plural, if it had one, would be virus.
Use "viruses."
I'm not even going to criticize the use of "virii..."
But this is taking it a bit far, I think. You can't blame an operating system for increased spam. Unless he means popup/spyware spam, this is just unfounded. Sure, OS X's Mail.app has an awesome spam filter, and it's probably better in Tiger, but the reason you're getting it has nothing to do with your OS. I may be an Apple fanboy, but I get more spam than most Windows users I know...
I mod down pyramid schemes in sigs.
fac 1, eject jumpdrive. I have a jumpdrive, if I opened an Explorer window related with the jumpdrive, my XP box won't allow me to eject the jump drive. On my OS X box, the Finder closes that window and ejects the jumpdrive.
fact 2, drag document to dock (taskbar). On windows, running tasks are shown on taskbar as icons+title. If you drag and drop a file onto that icon+title, windows will tell you that you are stupid. On OS X, you do the same thing, the document will be opened.
fact 3, ls is easier to type than dir
fact 4, press f9, you can find the window you want to work with very quickly. Try f10 and f11 if you don't know that yet.
fact 5, OS X can mount FTP or other server as if they are local directory.
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
Here.
Sure, they may not be the absolute latest, but unless you're hardcore, they've got enough.
Tiger doesn't play nicely with volumes formatted under the UNIX filesystem (as offered as an option on disk utility). For all those who saw the option and thought 'great, that must be the best choice, after all OS X is really UNIX' (and then found out Apple included it for compatibility with some legacy Sun system or some such). They may not appear at all, or take ages to appear on the desktop. And - again - DON'T REBOOT WITH A DV CAMERA AND FIREWIRE DRIVE ATTACHED. This killed the filesystem on the FW drive(resurrected with DiskWarrior). Actually, it seems to go foobar with a camera and FW drive connected simultaneously at any time (random hangs when accessing volumes, won't capture from the deck while the drive is plugged in, etc.). Camera was Canon DM1, drive Lacie 320 FW800 model FYI. Apparently.
...it's illegal for you to run Apache, OpenSSHd, and PostgreSQL on your Windows machine. Or, at least, it's illegal for you to actually serve more than one person off of them. The license doesn't let you have multiple people connecting to your machine like that, if I recall correctly.
-fred
Sign #11 of Slashdot overdose: You see the phrase 'moderate Republican' and you wonder if that would be a +1 or a -1.
if your definition of "handle" is "to not crash and burn." Come on now, I expect Apple's products to "handle" Tiger, even my 400 Mhz G4.
The real answer is "the Mini does most of the CoreImage effects." Don't pander to people, give it to them straight. The Mini is a very basic Macintosh for people skittish about large investments in unproven (to them) technology. If their only complaint is that the ripple effect doesn't work on their machine, then the Mini has done its job: converting them and making them interested in upgrading.
To me, Dashboard looks like a throwback to the Mac System 6 Desk Accessories. Oh the nostalgia. The tile puzzle! What comes around, goes around.
I seem to crash mail.app every few minutes. I think it has something to do with SSL (I use IMAP over SSL, with a self-signed cert). 10.3 popped up a warning each time mail launched, but I can remember 10.2 crashing when SSL was enabled. 10.4's mail crashes either shortly after the warning message, or when it tries to get new mail.
Hope this one is fixed in 10.4.1 soon.
No, the one to serve them all is OS X Server.
-- Boycott Shell
I have a handful of macs that I admin, and tho the mac users don't know it, they can get root by simply holding down the "S" key during startup.
I ordered the upgrade anyway.
While working in tech support for a game company there was obviously little respect for Macs.
There was one of the early iMacs which was used for testing...rarely.
Hearing coworkers cussing in their cubicles was never that big of a deal. It happened all of the time. One day, I got off of a call and I heard someone cussing and didn't recognize the voice. It took a few seconds for me to figure out that it sounded familiar. That's when I walked back to the iMac and saw that one of the techs had discovered that you could type cuss words into Simple Text and get the computer to read it out loud.
I told them about using speakable items and about the choices of voices they could use. It was amazing that those features alone suddenly made the Mac more useful to my coworkers.
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Sometimes, when I don't feel like reading article online, I cut and paste artcles into a text editor and just have it read to me using Victoria's voice, Though for articles on politics, I just use the Deranged voice. Everything makes more sense then.
Ok, there are a couple features that are probably new...but the rest are worthless little applications, minor updates, and/or freely available tools anyway. Looking over the list I see stuff like GCC (openly available), About This Mac (I would have expected this in MacOS v1.0), AIM Profile Editor (ehh?), PDF Viewer(acrobat not working on MacOS??), Buy Printing Supplies (sounds like bloatware to me)..... If you remove the BS from the list of 200 features you're reduced to: -Spotlight -Development tools freely available elsewhere -Misc bug patches and featuers you'd expect in an OS -Misc features, like stock ticker, that don't belong in an OS but they're including them anyway
Spotlight is just a simple UI on a commonly used programming idiom.
You could say that iTunes hasn't anything interesting either, it's just a media player and a database.
Spothlight is mainly an UI, but it's not simple. Proof is that previously there wasn't any interface that got it right until now. Making good interfaces requires research and a lot of work, just like making good backends. The revolution in Spotlight is not in the backend, but you dismissing the value of a GUI doesn't make it suddenly vanish.
Maybe you don't (consciously) value easy of use and no learning curve, but most people recognize it when they find it. Good interfaces *are* revolutionary, and Apple has got several of them
Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
How much memory did that iMac have?
Anyone who whines about being modded down should be.
To me, Dashboard looks like Konfabulator and Sherlock got put in a blender.
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
For those who need to use some PC programs that don't have Mac ports, there is Virtual PC. Sure, games don't work or run fast but mst software runs reasonably well. It is usable.
I even read somewhere that MS' Excel actually runs faser in Virtual PC than Excel for Mac does. Though that is probably the only native PC-->Mac port that can make that claim.
The dumb part is that you can't turn them off.
I guess this is to maintain the "quality" of the app while at the same time, driving CPU sales.
I agree with you. Let's turn these fatures off for PowerBook users!
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
It's "viruses".
Sheesh.
Its so small it seems quite an ordeal. I like the idea though of a cheaper Mac, but make it big enough to easily upgrade.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
It's right on the ichat features page
Activity Monitor in the Utilites folder. I haven't used vmmap yet to double check.
I love Linux. I've used it on the desktop at home for about 8 years. Linux can't compare with my Powerbook in terms of desktop user experience. My Mac 'just works.'
The hardware you're talking about has the same capacity hard disk and RAM. There's a 2.3GHz celeron compared to the 1.25 GHz G4. If you're talking about raw GHz, I guess you have Apple beat.
Video? I'm sure that the included video adapter is superior on the mini. Does your server have a modem? A DVD player, CD burner? Audio in or out? USB? Firewire?
But Linux has free software! Those free applications push Linux ahead, right?
Photo management? gPhoto has pretty good camera support - if you're using the right USB drivers. That gets the photos from the camera - now, what about organizing and editing photos? Slideshows with transitions, audio, etc? iPhoto kicks butt here.
Video editing? First find and configure the firewire card drivers for the chipset you have, then go get what? Cinelerra? Too hard for a linux geek to make work. VirtualDub, Kino? WAAAAY too limited in terms of features and ease of use.
DVD mastering? Don't get me started...
Music software? XMMS is pretty handy for playing music, but organizing, sorting? Grip for capturing the data...
OpenOffice and GAIM on linux are fine tools. NeoOffice and Adium are fine tools on my Mac, and they work almost identically on the Mac.
The point is that it's POSSIBLE to do these things on linux. On my Mac, it's EASY.
Write a letter, print it to a remote printer, rip a CD and copy it to a USB or firewire equipped MP3 player, take digital photos, create a slideshow with music, export it to a readily available format (doesn't have to be quicktime, but find something equally easy for the recipient to use.... Compare start-to-finish time on both platforms. My Mac clobbers linux in this.
Don't get me wrong here I'm a big Linux geek. My Mac makes desktop computing useful and usable.
Respectfully,
Anomaly
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Has anyone read the Ars Technica review of Tiger by John Siracusa?
Launchd
For Tiger, Apple created launchd: one launch daemon to rule them all. Launchd does the job of all of the existing program launching mechanisms, and does it in a way that puts the least possible burden on the programs that it launches. Processes spawned by launchd don't have to worry about "daemonizing" themselves, checking for dependencies, or relaunching or keeping communication handles alive in the case of a crash.
Launchd can launch programs in response to any of the events listed earlier, and it can do so on behalf of the system or an individual user. It will discover dependencies on its own and launch programs in parallel when possible. This is essential for fast system startup. Mac OS X's older startup items system did the same thing, but it had to be explicitly told the dependencies.
Launchd supports a messaging protocol to answer questions like, "How many users are connected to this daemon?" and "Have you shut down yet?" Program shutdown is another example of an area where "The Unix Way" is usually deemed "good enough" despite obvious deficiencies. Traditionally, Unix services are shut down by sending a signal to the process, waiting a little while, and then sending a more harsh signal just in case the service refused to shut down. This is barbaric, but necessary because there's no standardized messaging system for Unix daemons. Launchd recognized the need and filled it.
Apple has developed launchd as an open source project that it hopes will be adopted by the wider Unix community. To the average Unix hacker, launchd probably looks like a reinvention of the wheel. I think it addresses a problem the Unix community doesn't even know that it has. In this way it's much like Mac OS X itself. There was "Unix on the desktop," and then there was Mac OS X. You'd think that alone would have been a big enough wake-up call.
If I were working on a Unix-based operating system, I'd be borrowing ideas and code from Apple like there's no tomorrow. Apple has certainly been smart enough to pull in the opposite direction, basing a huge part of its OS (particular its server OS) on open source Unix projects. Apple has returned the favor by contributing to many of those projects: FreeBSD, gcc, KHTML/KJS, etc. When Apple comes calling with their own open source Unix creations, I think it's foolish not to pay attention.
Anyway, enough preaching. What launchd means to Mac OS X is that all the preexisting program launch facilities will slowly be migrated to launchd. This won't happen overnight, or perhaps not even in the next few years, but the groundwork has been laid. There are also plans to extend launchd to handle device events (e.g., plugging in a camera) and to further standardize not just the protocol but the contents of service messages.
A motorcycle is a beemer.
A car is a bimmer.
Yes, I do own one, thanks.
Check CR again. The 3 series has been average to above average in reliability over a period of many years.
Pogue raving is no suprise either - heck, he writes Mac books.
:)
Funny you should mention Turrott, though - he apparently gave Tiger a 4/5 rating and has some "Tiger feature of the day" thing going on some site of his. And he claims to have taken a PowerBook with him to WinHEC.
Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
No joke.
QT should be free. MS doesn't charge for WMP. QT might be worth it, but you have to pay extra for MPEG2.
Ridiculous.
And they keep updating QT with no consideration for previous licenses. So Apple has essentially said "you're better off pirating".
I should not have to keep buying QT over and over. Plus, people who are nice enough to give Apple $130 for an OS update should get a QT license for free.
So Apple is saying "please don't pay, get a keygen. PLEASE!!!!"
Personally, I always wipe the drive and do a clean install when doing a major system upgrade. It give me an opportunity to clean house and ensures that I won't inherit any problems from the previous install.
Yes, I know. I also know he likes it (but finds it slightly expensive).
The whole point was: an OS doesn't suck because it doesn't run on AMD and the mac doesn't suck because it doesn't have an AMD processor, regardless of the OS you're running.
And furthermore, stating that doesn't make you a dribbling fan-boy. At least not in my book.
More and more you read stuff like "people who use OS such and such are stupid, because it can't make coffee". I just pointed out that yes, it does make coffee, but of another brand and no, people aren't stupid because of their choice of OS or coffee.
I think, therefore I am...I think.
I'll give you $50 for that useless Mac, Mr. M$ has made me lots of money.
I put a slightly pre-release quality build I got from a torrent site (yeah,yeah, I'm buying it tomorrow night, I just wanted to check it out) on a 1.25GHz Mac mini with 512MB.
Believe the hype about launchd... I was stunned at how fast that little bastard booted. You barely even see the "Mac OS X" splash screen and progress bar before it's gone and the login screen or desktop appears.
I'm delighted to hear that Apple will be giving launchd to the FOSS community, because one of my biggest gripes about Linux was how long the systems take to boot up.
NeXT.
Your experience is out of the oridinary. Here's how MacAddict reviewed Office v.X in 2002-- Here's Wired's review of Office for Mac OS X-- Since you're using a powerbook, which is what I also am using, I've got two suggestions that might improve your performance in Office-- Install 512mb of ram if you are trying to get by with 256mb. Also, if you've enabled filevault, disable it. I just don't believe your experience is the norm. Hopefully these suggestions will help.
Seth
$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
Has a far better and more detailed review (warts and all).
In particular, it looks at UI issues with Spotlight, the implementation of file metadata (think: Copland's any number of forks in a file concept is now working), vast architectural and performance improvements to Quartz 2D, even running in software, etc.
CoreImage can also look at what you're doing, and sometimes decide that two filters can be applied simultaneously, instead of applying the first to the whole image, then the second to the whole image.
That should be faster, because the pixels of the image will only have to be read, processed, and written once, instead of twice.
This kind of on-the-fly optimization will apply even on G3s without altivec or new graphics cards.
I expect this depends a great deal on the specific filters involved.
September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area Cocoa Programmer Quincy, MA
That's odd. Mail will quit on me about once every other week if I'm unlucky. I'm still on 10.3, but will be jumping to Tiger this weekend.
I'm not using SSL though, so I don't have any experience in how it may effect my stability.
Shhhhh! You might blow the myth that apple hardware is of better quality than the competition!! We've worked hard for years to make people believe that one!
I think "Bumwad" is the best choice of word for BMWs.
GDS also has a plugin architecture with a lot of documentation. Check out http://desktop.google.com/plugins.html for a lot of plugins.
GDS so far has been extremely fast at indexing new files. It even indexes Outlook email.
Standards Schmandards
You can also use "command+option+esc." This is a force-quit, it's kind of like C.A.D.
:) Let me guess, he's using either a first rev G4, or Blue&White G3. :) What you have whitnessed is a rarity, unless his Mac is "old," or a lemon. The majority of Macs will maintain themsevles and will not crash when applying a simple patch. This is true for all modern OSX Macintoshes. My PCs run OK, I know my way around them and have used them way longer than Macs, but even with good components, they're still unreliable compared to a Mac and are too easy too break. But this is OS related of course. XP needs help.
:) I haven't used a one-button mouse since 1998, so I think I'll probably sprout another finger in the future.
You know one person with a Mac.
Funny sig BTW, but I use a MX1000 on my G5 and a MX700 on my G4.
External peripherals "are" compatible with the mini.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
For a good example of this, just look at cars. Someone looking for a quality car would do well to only look at imports and ignore the crap coming out of the US manufacturers.
I like my women like my coffee... pale and bitter.
Of course the average /.'er drives a VW Thing that was hand built by everyone he/she knows, only runs on methanol that he/she makes in the back yard, has the steering wheel on the wrong side, and requires three keys to start.
It was a used postal jeep, I had rebuilt nearly every part on it. Steering wheel on the wrong side, it started with a screwdriver though (not as secure as the linux analogy you make, so I had to hide an ignition cut out switch--security through obscurity, donchano) I finally got a real job, and bought a vw tdi. Now I burn biodiesel, instead of the methanol you mention.
More music, fewer hits
I was just curious why the mini would be attractive to a vj when you still need some sort of screen you would need to lug around. Wouldn't an iBook make more sense. I don't vj so, enlighten me.
"Form should follow function...unless it's just plain ugly."
Yeah, Apple's marketing department said so, and Apple would *never* rig the tests or fuge the numbers!
Anyway, to get that functionality on your windows network, turn indexing service on - it's off by default. Then define some usage guidelines and distribute them to your users. The reason they can't all work together in a coherent way is that they don't have a coherent plan. Solving the problem with an index is not solving the problem, it's working around the problem. :)
So according to you, it's easier and more correct to program your users rather than the operating system? I'm guessing you don't have much in the way of people skills...
I meant to add that was something to be excited about in Tiger - you're right that right now you can't make them and indeed opening a Word documetn that has tables is a horrible mess.
I'm not sure if the new TextEdit has the other features you were looking for, but it had a few other improvements as well. I would gess the full set (like footnotes) is not there, but you never know...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
you would be wrong in this case. I used to believe it was virii but that is a bastarization of latin pluralization and does not follow the common method of plural nouns for words from Latin origin.
I used to us BeOS on my home system and it had a file system that supported many of the things that Spotlight and SmarFolder seem to do. It is the biggest thing I missed when I had to stop using Be. I can't wait to install Tiger on my Powerbook.
"Attention Citizens, 2+2 now equals 3.947547175. Please recalibrate your equipment now" --The Computer
And how can Apple get away with bundling all of these "extra" applications. They're using their monopoly of the PPC desktop to push their products like Quicktime, Stock Ticker, Address Book, & iSync which they are using to squeeze the small time software developers/vendors out of the PPC market. Once they've run their competition out of business, they'll start to add features like "Buy Printing Supplies" and force users to spend even more money on Apple products.
I'm not the only person I know who has started using OS X because of these exact reasons. It's always fantastic to hear people reiterating my thoughts, and giving them great analogies like that. It's awesome, and it's so true. I read another great quote in this same topic that pretty much said "you can't build a PC cheaper unless your time is worthless." I'm one of those guys who bought a Mac so that I wouldn't have to spend so much time in front of my computer. I'm the guy with the BMW, so to speak, who wants to go out and spend time on other things and not even think about the car. I did my time with that. I compiled my custom kernels. I re-installed windows a billion times. I ordered all those cutting-edge parts and tweaked my bios. OC'd my cpu. Did software raid. Lost tons of data. Spent lots of money. Stayed up late at night. I'm done with it, now that I want a computer that I don't have to think about I use my Mac. Anybody who wants to keep using Windows, getting viruses, tweaking kernels, drivers, whatever... they can have it, and I hope they enjoy it. I don't. I did, but I don't anymore. OS X has blended all my needs, and it's worth my money so that I can close up my laptop and go hiking instead of watching the sun set from inside my house while my computer reboots again.
Avidemux. Works great for me.
Also, Kino, and about a billion others.
And it looks like it doesn't support indexing for compressed files. I tried zip and gzip. For some reason I thought this should work. Also it doesn't like plain-text files without extension or with unknown extension, but assigning TEXT type with SetFile or renaming to *.txt helps and now I've finally managed to index my precious man pages. "mdfind" instead of "apropos" in command line - ah, what a fun! :)
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One important point: ideas by themselves aren't worth all that much - implementations are what count.
...ibFirebird with OS X?
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
A Warning to all prospective Mac purchasers in Australia!!!
The software seems fantastic, way superior to what I'm used to out of XP, the hardware is attractive and (I hope) removes all the bizarre hardware and driver incompatabilities I struggle with, but the company, Apple, seems incapable of helping itself out.
I ordered a BTO mac mini (1.4GHz, Airport, Superdrive) on Feb 12. 10 weeks later I was told I may have to wait another 3-4 months to get my order!! I settled instead for a stock 1.4GHz (one of 6 to arrive in Australia that week), got it home, excitedly watched it got through the first-boot setup, then the screen went blank - now power, no response, no sound.
Hoping (and praying) it was the power supply and easily replaced, I returned to the store, but no such luck, it's dead. Since it was within a week, I'm entitled to a new machine, but hey, that could take another 4-6 weeks to turn up, even fast-tracked with Apple.
So it's in for repair. How many parts are they going to have available considering they haven't got any machines?
I'm amazed that apple can shoot themselves in the foot so. I was told they have 3000 orders for Mac Minis outstanding in Australia and only 6 Arrived last week. The BTO Dell I ordered a month ago took 5 working days to arrive!
It has 512Megs and still sucks. Everything about it is slow. It opens windows slow, it starts up slow, and runs slow. But actually now it just sits there turned off. No one is interested. Truth hurts.
From what I've read/seen about Spotlight, it sounds like an integrated version of the addon "Quicksilver". Is this the case?
One man's pink plane is another man's blue plane.
There's a table at the bottom of the info page about ichat AV. Note that Any G4 system can initiate a 1:1 video, or participate in a 4-person video chat. 10 person audio chat? At work, having more than 3 people call into and participate in meetings is difficult to track.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/ichat/
(Sorry about the AC post--I moderated a couple posts on this topic.)
To be fair, I booted up the computer to see the actual specs. It is running 10.3.7 and has 640Megs of ram. There is about 10gigs of space left on the HD. Tiger-still not interested.
I guess there must be a "part 2" of the review coming along at some point.
The title says it all
(and a little CSS ad-blocking as a back-up_
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All Your Fish Are Belong To Us
Yes, I think we're going to see a lot of shareware and freeware apps using these new APIs. Commercial software will take a bit longer, depending on the rate of Tiger adoption (companies don't want to lose out on sales due to users still using old versions of the OS) but it looks to me like the Tiger adoption rate will be pretty good.
CoreAudio has been around since before Panther, but Panther is when it really became polished. (And received a lot of attention thanks to the high-profile applications such as GarageBand which started using it after Panther's release.)
Image Units are just so cool that I'm sure we're going to see a ton of them. Someone needs to write a Photoshop plugin which allows one to use IUs in apps which use the Photoshop API. (I don't think the reverse is possible, as IUs have to be implemented in a fragment language so they can be executed on the GPU.)
Prepare yourself for the flood of shareware image editing apps using Core Image. Core Image is one of those things which is going to help drive the users to upgrade. (Even if they don't know it yet.)
I really like the way Apple is building these generic frameworks with good plugin support. It makes developing cool and useful applications much easier, and perhaps more importantly avoids the problem of application-specific plugin formats.. It also helps Apple, as it means more plugins which work in their software (such as Audio Units for GarageBand).
-- Tim Buchheim
I just tried with TextEdit - I typed a few lines, hit Comamnd-Q t quit - the dialoge asking if I want to save comes up. I can then switch between Safari and TextEdit with no trouble - via the dock or just clicking on Windows.
I could have sworn it has always worked that way, what version of the OS do you have? Perhaps it was addresses in the recent 10.3.9 update?
I suppose it could behave badly with other apps, but that seems pretty odd... perhaps it's some kind of wierd configuration issue? I'll have to try on my laptop as well.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
In Activity Monitory, go to "View"->"Columns" and enable all the different columns having to do with memory. "Private Memory" (a.k.a. RPVT) is the one that really matters, as that's how much non-shared memory each process is consuming.
Free Hans!
Can microsoft's indexing service find active photoshop layers? Window names?
9. GNU/Linux
You have heard of this word 'shower' and seen one of these appliances one or two times but as yet have never used one. You call Apple users gay while only having male aquaintances yourself. You were beaten up at school and in all honesty you know you deserved it. You understand memory paging and can discuss the pros and cons of RISC v CISC but do not know how to change a car tyre. You believe every word should be prefixed with "GNU/", "G" or "K" and be a recursive acronym - that would be so teh cool! You mistakenly think your mother loves you.
I have a dual g5 that has been rock solid since day 1, so I've never reinstalled panther. I can't really wipe-n-install because I've got several user accounts for my family/friends that would need to be put somewhere before wiping, plus reinstalling programs, etc. That would suck.
So should I upgrade straight, or use archive-n-install? I get the gist of what archive-n-install does, but is it a real "new" installation with all your programs/accounts preserved?
Mossberg seems to imply as much in his complaints about slowdowns, adding:
Spotlight would help me enormously, but I'm not willing to run key tasks slower in exchange for it (and especially not for "a few months"). Anyone else going to run Tiger on a G3 system?
Is this a mac fanboi's dream?
So it would seem!
As a hobby, I'm writing a game and so the new dev tools and APIs are going to be great.
Core Image even has an application (for me) in generating maps for the RPG I'm working on. I need to run a very large version of a blur filter on the interpolated map data, to smooth out jagged features.
Core Image to the rescue!
...it's no worse than any other platform. Because aside from OS X, there isn't a modern OS whose apps are encouraged to have UI consistancy.
And don't fool yourself that M$ Office for OS X is one of those apps. It might look pretty Aquafied, but It still suffers from the inability or unwillingness to use OS X functionality like it was intended. When average-joe free/shareware developer seems to have no trouble utilizing the great dev features included for free.
Anyway... it's a pretty lame reason not to try OS X out or to try OO out--one way or another. And now we have Pages & Keynote as a third alternative.
... but you are talking to a troll. This person does not work for Apple, yet all of the Apple faithful listen to him and mod him up as though he did--without the slightest shred of evidence that he is who he says he is.
/. (that are factually *wrong*) would have been tracked down and seriously reprimanded at the very least and fired if he continued to carry on like he does.
Seriously, someone like him posting some of the things he has posted here on
Printer installation and queue management are EASIER under OS X and Windows XP than under Linux. Hands down.
Interestingly, when I enabled 128 bit WEP at home, linux was easier than OS X, but that is definitely the exception.
iTunes produces mp3's just fine. All of my music is in mp3 format. Some ripped with grip, most ripped with iTunes. If you don't like mp3, aiff, wav or AAC, find plugins that support LAME, add plugins for ogg or whatever formats you want. There's no reason to think that you couldn't use iTunes to rip the music and then copy it to your mp3 player. Of course, Apple's mp3 player does not support ogg, and apparently never will.
WRT price comparison, your Dell is missing a BUNCH of hardware that the mini includes. Equip your Dell with similar interfaces, and the cost of the Dell will be close to the mini.
While I agree that the Gimp is a great image editor, how easy is something as simple as redeye correction? VERY possible, but again, iPhoto makes it trivial. For that matter, it's trivial using Picasa on Windows.
What about photo collection management? Export to webpage? Creation of slideshows with music? iPhoto makes that easy. Import of photo collections to home movie editing tools? DVD Mastering? All reasonably easy on my Mac. All conceptually possible on linux but non-trivial.
Please don't misunderstand. I love Linux. I'm wearing a Tux shirt to work at my Fortune 500 company as I post this. (Something that doesn't quite fit with our corporate culture, if you know what I mean.)
I'm at a point in my life where my time matters to me - it's fun to tinker with things, and linux makes that easy and possible. Mac OS X/iLife is BETTER at a lot of common things, and that makes it worth paying for.
Respectfully,
Anomaly
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
At least it's gone. That;s just the sort of thing that Windows does to me all the time I can't tolerate!
Enjoy Tiger, I'm installing today myself.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
but if you upgrade to sp2 and turn the firewall came with sp2 on, it doesn't function any more for most computers I worked with. There was one working case I met.
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
Wrong.
Apple has two OS product lines. Targeted differently and priced differently.
OS X - $129 (equivalent I guess, to XP Home)
OS X Server - $499 (equivalent to XP Pro).
So really, apple is doing exactly the same thing microsoft is doing.
hopefully xcode is no longer the crashy pile of doggie poo it is in panther. hopefully they also improved the UI -- xcode is the most unpleasant IDE i've ever used -- it's worse than kdevelop, and that takes real talent.
You can put together a dual opteron pretty cheaply. Opteron 250's (2.4ghz smp) are $700 ea. and a good dual opteron mobo will run you $300. If you're willing to do with Opteron 244's (1.8ghz smp) those are $200 ea.
:-)
A case + PS will run you $100 max. The rest you get to blow on memory/disks/etc.
It's pretty easy to see you can make a rather hefty machine for $2500 with dual 1800 opterons.
Check out newegg. As a mac user you're simply not used to reasonable prices for hardware.
Likewise if you're willing to go with dual 1.8GHz G5s (Apple has a sale section on their store site), you only need to shell out $1,699.
And a $100 case doesn't do the PowerMac case justice; it's akin to a $200 aluminum Lian case. $900 for the case, mobo, and CPUs alone, an additional $300 for basic ram, hard drive, and video card, brings you up to a bare $1200. The additional difference in price is not nearly as outrageous as a $2,500 system would be.
GPL Deconstructed
I will point out ISPs hate the powermac cases. You can't stack them like you can PCs (they are extremely unstable if you try). In fact with apple, you don't get a choice in the matter. It's dictated for you. Don't like the case? Want a rack case instead? Tough noogies.
Also, if you're really audacious you can build a quad opteron for under $2500. Does apple even offer a quad CPU system?
1: So? How are any of your points relevant to the discussion?
2: If you want a rackmount case, Apple does sell a rackmount dual G5
3: You keep comparing 'build' to 'buy'. I suspect even if Apple did offer a quad CPU system, you wouldn't 'buy' because you 'build'.
GPL Deconstructed
1. They're as relevant as yours were.
2. And what is the price differential vs a non-rackmount dual G5?
3. Depends on if it was cost competetive or not. I'm actually architecture-agnostic. price/performance is whats important to me, if apple can provide a cost competitive quad cpu system, i'll buy one.