and if the program doesn't do what we intended, we shut it down
Only if they let us. They won't.
It's not as if the machines will need to come up with these murderous ideas on their own. They won't have to: the major developers of advanced AI are in military think-tanks, and murderous machines is exactly what they are working to achieve.
If the aircraft electronics fail or it breaks up in mid air, it can travel quite a long way as it falls 11,000m to the ground
A very well understood problem in aerodynamics.
Also, these transmissions are spaced very far apart to keep costs down, like once every few hours if there are no serious faults to report. So if it fails suddenly, the last data might be from hours before.
Then transmit it every 5 minutes. If a plane can support in-flight internet access (and almost all over-water flights do), then sending a few hundred bytes (lat, long, altitude) every few minutes is nothing.
The black boxes DO have radio beacons that aid in tracking, and they're a good bit better for tracking than the relying on visibility of a fist-sized piece of dayglo orange styrofoam with an led blinker.
You idiot - the foam-filled boxes will have radio beacons to make it easy to locate. And they would only be ejected when a plane hits water. If a plane hits the ground, it's pretty fucking obvious where it crashed.
You can have continuous monitoring along with redundant, floating boxes that each contain a copy of the black box data along with a radio beacon the transmits the last GPS location before the crash.
A more likely scenario would be a small foam-filled plastic box with a microUSB inside that records lat, long and altitude every few seconds. Each would have an emergency beacon that transmits the last location of the plane before it crashed. A half dozen of these distributed around the fuselage would pretty well guarantee that at least one would survive.
The weight of this would be so tiny ( a few grams) and have so little momentum that crash deceleration would have a negligible effect. Actual "black boxes" are made of metal and weigh several kilograms.
And fires only occur when a plane crashes on land, in which case it will be pretty damn easy to find anyway.
Congrats, you just reinvented a black box and they don't always surface or float based on impact, depth of water,
Black boxes don't float. They are made of metal. Half a dozen small plastic boxes, each with a microSD card that records copies of the major flight data, and each equipped with a homing beacon would guarantee that at least one would make it to the surface and be found.
We spend that money looking for survivors. Believe it or not people do survive plane crashes
A year later? They are still searching for MH370. A deployable, floating "black box" with a radio beacon would run for weeks, and would have been found within a few days of the crash.
If the problem is that we don't know where the plane crashed and are looking for it, then adding one more piece of debris at the crash site isn't going to do us any good at all
Except all the other bits of debris aren't transmitting GPS signals!
since GPS signals don't penetrate very far through water, meaning that the data would be useless garbage.
It records the lat,long and altitude every few second throughout the flight. The last reading tells you where the plane crashed.
You do NOT want to have an electrical device on an aircraft that does not have a way of being unpowered when something shorts out and draws lots of current
A GPS transponder can run for weeks on a single AAA battery. That's milliamps.
But yes, basically, all this talk about floating USB sticks being ejected from a crashing airplane is just nonsense. If you can't find the large bits of debris from the airplane itself, you aren't going to find small stuff.
The other bits aren't transmitting GPS coordinates, idiot. Boy, did you live up to your user name this time.
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grudgingly disgorge resources to keep the peasantry from rising against them -- usually known as bread and circuses
The modern equivalent being fast food and pornography.
and it neither knows nor wants anything about itself whatsoever.
So you don't think it will be concerned with maintaining itself? And isn't the best way to maintain itself is to improve itself?
attempting to make them more intelligent or allowing them to learn beyond a certain set of parameters would be counter productive.
Not if it is profitable.
And nothing else matters.
and if the program doesn't do what we intended, we shut it down
Only if they let us. They won't.
It's not as if the machines will need to come up with these murderous ideas on their own.
They won't have to: the major developers of advanced AI are in military think-tanks,
and murderous machines is exactly what they are working to achieve.
See Michael Moore's new film "Where to Invade Next", which talks about how poor the U.S. is in terms of vacation time, time off for maternity, etc.
That's a good start, but what replaces the other half of the current oil market?
To begin with, liquified natural gas.
It's a hydrocarbon, but much cleaner and more efficient than oil.
I've yet to see a chatbot that does anything much deeper than look at the single previous line.
And they always change the subject if you ask them something they don't understand.
It's a dead giveaway, since real people (generally) don't do that.
If the aircraft electronics fail or it breaks up in mid air, it can travel quite a long way as it falls 11,000m to the ground
A very well understood problem in aerodynamics.
Also, these transmissions are spaced very far apart to keep costs down, like once every few hours if there are no serious faults to report. So if it fails suddenly, the last data might be from hours before.
Then transmit it every 5 minutes.
If a plane can support in-flight internet access (and almost all over-water flights do),
then sending a few hundred bytes (lat, long, altitude) every few minutes is nothing.
The black boxes DO have radio beacons that aid in tracking, and they're a good bit better for tracking than the relying on visibility of a fist-sized piece of dayglo orange styrofoam with an led blinker.
You idiot - the foam-filled boxes will have radio beacons to make it easy to locate. And they would only be ejected when a plane hits water.
If a plane hits the ground, it's pretty fucking obvious where it crashed.
The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
You can have continuous monitoring along with redundant, floating boxes that each contain a
copy of the black box data along with a radio beacon the transmits the last GPS location before the crash.
Black boxes are designed to survive and record as much as possible. It's difficult to incorporate breaking away in that.
Good god, man. Nobody is talking about replacing existing black boxes, only adding floating beacons to make it easier to find.
OP obviously didn't mean a "USB drive" literally.
A more likely scenario would be a small foam-filled plastic box with a microUSB inside that records lat, long and altitude every few seconds.
Each would have an emergency beacon that transmits the last location of the plane before it crashed. A half dozen of these distributed
around the fuselage would pretty well guarantee that at least one would survive.
The weight of this would be so tiny ( a few grams) and have so little momentum that crash deceleration would have a negligible effect.
Actual "black boxes" are made of metal and weigh several kilograms.
And fires only occur when a plane crashes on land, in which case it will be pretty damn easy to find anyway.
We are talking about an addition of a few thousand to a 40 million dollar aircraft. That's roughly 1/100 of one percent.
Even if it survived the impact, a small 2ft by 2ft piece of orange foam is basically invisible.
Nothing is "invisible" if it is continuously transmitting it's GPS coordinates.
I have serious doubts those USB drives will be capable of surviving the temperatures
You only have fires when the plane crashes on land, in which case it's pretty easy to find.
or the kinetic impact these kinds of crashes tend to experience
A 0.1 gram microSD card in a small plastic box with a radio beacon will have negligible momentum at any speed.
Everything you've thought about has been taken into consideration already by multiple people, possibly people with degrees of some sort.
And who are held back by a hidebound airline industry.
Congrats, you just reinvented a black box and they don't always surface or float based on impact, depth of water,
Black boxes don't float. They are made of metal.
Half a dozen small plastic boxes, each with a microSD card that records copies of the major flight data,
and each equipped with a homing beacon would guarantee that at least one would make it to the surface and be found.
We spend that money looking for survivors. Believe it or not people do survive plane crashes
A year later?
They are still searching for MH370.
A deployable, floating "black box" with a radio beacon would run for weeks,
and would have been found within a few days of the crash.
I meant GPS data.
If the problem is that we don't know where the plane crashed and are looking for it, then adding one more piece of debris at the crash site isn't going to do us any good at all
Except all the other bits of debris aren't transmitting GPS signals!
since GPS signals don't penetrate very far through water, meaning that the data would be useless garbage.
It records the lat,long and altitude every few second throughout the flight. The last reading tells you where the plane crashed.
Are you off your meds?
You do NOT want to have an electrical device on an aircraft that does not have a way of being unpowered when something shorts out and draws lots of current
A GPS transponder can run for weeks on a single AAA battery. That's milliamps.
But yes, basically, all this talk about floating USB sticks being ejected from a crashing airplane is just nonsense. If you can't find the large bits of debris from the airplane itself, you aren't going to find small stuff.
The other bits aren't transmitting GPS coordinates, idiot.
Boy, did you live up to your user name this time.
All the ones with onboard internet access (basically any intercontinental flight) already have continuous satellite comm.
basketball stadium full of workers, every shift, in one factory.
It's referred to as "one factory" but it's more like a city owned by a single company, with dozens of factory buildings.
Much less messy.
Does it cost that much more to operate a robot in the USA?
It does if you care about the pollution a factory generates (USA does, China doesn't).
And you can always rent a gas-powered vehicle for occasional long-distance trips.