Oh boo-fucking-hoo. I'd never hire you. You basically just stated that the only way you would *pick up on something* is if you were prodded to do so by whatever institution you attend. Basically, you will end up one of those individuals doing the absolute minimum in classes, getting the diploma, knowing absolutely nothing of value (hint: there would be nothing to differentiate you from countless other tools with 1+ college-level Java experience). and somehow being surprised no one wants to hire you.
*gak*... but if you need to go to college to learn OO, jeez.
In response to the GP. Yeah, college is overhyped bullshit. Get over it. You still need that piece of paper. Yeah, cruising through classes will give you a piece of paper, a healthy dose of cluelessness, and basically no job prospects worth mentioning. If you actually want to learn something, you've to spend your own time, yourself, learning. Work on research projects. Hack on OSS. Find a job in the field while still at college.
If you're implying that "not working at Microsoft" implies "knowing jack and being useless in the corporate environment", you're simply wrong.
Possessing knowledge as well as flexibility allowing you to quickly learn the latest'n'greatest will always mean job security. Lacking both, but especially the later, implies being useless in the corporate environment.
Exactly. That BS doesn't mean anything. Experience, knowledge, flexibility and willingness to pick up concepts mean everything. Look around enough, assuming you're any good, and you will find great employment doing what you love while *still in college*.
1. Foster an attitude that CS doesn't pay, is hard and/or boring, is all outsourced now, will make you burn-out once you get a "real job" (heh... I've got a "real job", where's the burnout?)
2. Do a load of projects, development, i.e. self-learning while taking challenging CS classes in school as soon as possible. I.e. not CS101 while freshman... CS480.
3. Get a real job immediately in college, that gives you immediate feedback on your skills in CS.
4. Concurrent research projects.
5....
5. Profit! While the rest go for the "easier" or "more paying" majors, you've basically decreased the ranks of the competition by both discouraging them from competing and by being the best you can. You get a high-paying job doing what you love, why the suckers who got suckered into "more paying" or "easier" majors become burned-out...
Back in my sophomore year at IMSA (almost four years ago), I ran first Windows 2000, then WIndows XP on a 200Mhz Pentium Pro with 128MB memory (72-pin SIMMs, yo). Performed splendidly, if a little laggy. Heck, I played *Counter-Strike* on that computer with the other kids via LAN.
A 233Mhz Libretto with 32MB RAM is not ancient, but it could sure use a bit more memory.
Speaking of which, I ran Windows 2000 on a Pentium-133/64 MB from 1995. Ran just fine too! In fact I used it for quite some time to play Age of Empires and Age of Kings with my dad.
I would be more impressed to see Windows 2000 or XP stuffed onto a 486 - or to see someone coerce NT4 onto a 386. Either way.
Right. Because as we all know - Man was put on this Earth to slave off at work, for meager pay just enough to put food on the table and keep the squaw content.
Idiot.
I wonder how you could live with the fact that you're getting less money for something you quote-unquote "like", while others find jobs where they spend the least amount of effort while still getting $$$?
Cool. I take the #66 mostly every day as well, from the Huron St. until the Chicago Blue Line stop. I would agree that it would be insane to try to use a laptop on the bus (but then again, my laptop is 5-6 year-old Thinkpad that takes 5 mins to boot into GDM).
It is shaky. The bus is full of people. Occasionally there are also people on the bus in front of whom you might not want to flash the fact that you have too much money in your wallet.
I don't even see how I could use my iPAQ rx3715 on the bus either, frankly. I tried to on the EL, but stopped after I almost jammed a hole through the screen with my stylus when train screeched to a halt...
Not to troll or anything (love Apple, love my iPod), but something tells me the entusiast PC market is just a *tad* bigger than the Apple computer market. I doubte AMD would have had issues...
By God... that would be aweful... being stuck with no real work AND a high salary? What ever would you do?
(How about get to work 15 minutes late, go through the back door so Lumbergh can't see you, zone out at your desk, go to Chochkies with your G's, do nothing for the following 6 hours and then go back home to chill? Oh... that makes too much sense. Better go for a job that doesn't pay as well and requires actual work... lol)
I'll state it flat out. The arrogance here is all on Sorkin's side. Chutzpah, I believe, is the more appropriate individials. He basically has a job offer handed to him on a golden platter, and he starts nit-picking. Whatever. In his place, others would be glad Microsoft took any notice at all.
Yes, I would like a job with Microsoft. There - I said it. No, I don't like Windows. I am a Debian GNU/Linux user. No, I don't like MS' practices, but it's still the hands-down best place to work in the field of applied computer science. Yes, I was depressed when my flu affected my internship intervew with Microsoft. Who wouldn't be?
Moreover, I will state flatly that anyone here on Slashdot, including the most vocal MS-whiners, trolls, Linux/BSD/Darwin/VMS/whatever, given the opportunity, will go and gladly work for Microsoft.
Because clearly, our "elected" Messiah George Bush, somehow has a Jebus/YHWH given mandate to teach that savage Ahab the turban-wearing Arab a good lesson in Democracy, eh Cletus?
And of course, you would also like us to believe that brutal, callous, deranged and inhuman acts and thoughts are never justified in the name of Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Communism, Zionism, etc?
If you think today's evangelical closet-homo bible-thumpers have anything to do with Martin Luther and his sane schism from then-insane Church, you're off your chump...:-D
In fact, I'm not sure why American Lutherans call themselves Lutherans anyway. They certainly have nothing to do with the European (particularly German) Lutheran, plus they seem tor reject most of Luther's teachings... Feh.
No offense buddy, but if the forming of a quote-unquote "Christian Republic of America" is the end result you forsee from Bush & Co shenanigans, then I'm afraid you're suffering from acute myopia.:-( I don't mean to offend you or anything, but look further ahead. That and... well... lol, don't worry, these publically-uptight-privately-closet-homos are more likely to open up a male brothel than form the fourth Reich anytime soon, thankfully.
Single propagandic source of news? As is FOX, CNN, MSNBC,CBS,..., qualify as "fair and balanced" news that matter?
Whatever. I know some uptight ID-10T failure will mod this "flaimbait", but when was the last time our "free press" reported anything more than canned statments and irrelevant gossip? Moreover, when was the last time you actually looked forward to seeing the 9 PM news to learn about actual pressing North American and World news?
Consider: Lacy Peterson, Lost boyscouts, Wacko-Jacko, family drama with that paralyzed person (as if this is the only person suffering), Iraq war "coverage", celebrity gossip, etc...
You're right - discriminating against others based on their race is not "racism", yet complaining about such discrimination is. Good one. Where did you pick up on that little bit of logic, buddy?
Oh yeah... Just perform a "File and Settings Transfer" from your "sluggish" 3-week desktop - always ready to turn that new cheap-ass DELL POS you bought into another virus, spyware and malware infested doorstop. Good one.
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On another topic, this talk of investors has me curious. How does one connect with a VC or angel investment firm? Most of the more public ones don't seem to want to do business with you unless you're something other than a caucasian male. It seems that it can pay off to be considered ethnic.;-)
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Lookup the definition of 'racism' in a dictionary and come back when you're done.
Meh, I happen to disagree. All group projects that I'm dealing with in college are far up in candy-land and do not reflect productive team- and group-work as I've experienced in a corporate environment. If I applied the groupwork/teamwork/project skills I've been taught in college in the real world, I wouldn't have a job anymore and would instead have a verrry boring summer.
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Oh boo-fucking-hoo. I'd never hire you. You basically just stated that the only way you would *pick up on something* is if you were prodded to do so by whatever institution you attend. Basically, you will end up one of those individuals doing the absolute minimum in classes, getting the diploma, knowing absolutely nothing of value (hint: there would be nothing to differentiate you from countless other tools with 1+ college-level Java experience). and somehow being surprised no one wants to hire you.
*gak*... but if you need to go to college to learn OO, jeez.
In response to the GP. Yeah, college is overhyped bullshit. Get over it. You still need that piece of paper. Yeah, cruising through classes will give you a piece of paper, a healthy dose of cluelessness, and basically no job prospects worth mentioning. If you actually want to learn something, you've to spend your own time, yourself, learning. Work on research projects. Hack on OSS. Find a job in the field while still at college.
If you're implying that "not working at Microsoft" implies "knowing jack and being useless in the corporate environment", you're simply wrong. Possessing knowledge as well as flexibility allowing you to quickly learn the latest'n'greatest will always mean job security. Lacking both, but especially the later, implies being useless in the corporate environment.
Exactly. That BS doesn't mean anything. Experience, knowledge, flexibility and willingness to pick up concepts mean everything. Look around enough, assuming you're any good, and you will find great employment doing what you love while *still in college*.
1. Foster an attitude that CS doesn't pay, is hard and/or boring, is all outsourced now, will make you burn-out once you get a "real job" (heh... I've got a "real job", where's the burnout?)
...
2. Do a load of projects, development, i.e. self-learning while taking challenging CS classes in school as soon as possible. I.e. not CS101 while freshman... CS480.
3. Get a real job immediately in college, that gives you immediate feedback on your skills in CS.
4. Concurrent research projects.
5.
5. Profit! While the rest go for the "easier" or "more paying" majors, you've basically decreased the ranks of the competition by both discouraging them from competing and by being the best you can.
You get a high-paying job doing what you love, why the suckers who got suckered into "more paying" or "easier" majors become burned-out...
Back in my sophomore year at IMSA (almost four years ago), I ran first Windows 2000, then WIndows XP on a 200Mhz Pentium Pro with 128MB memory (72-pin SIMMs, yo). Performed splendidly, if a little laggy. Heck, I played *Counter-Strike* on that computer with the other kids via LAN.
A 233Mhz Libretto with 32MB RAM is not ancient, but it could sure use a bit more memory.
Speaking of which, I ran Windows 2000 on a Pentium-133/64 MB from 1995. Ran just fine too! In fact I used it for quite some time to play Age of Empires and Age of Kings with my dad.
I would be more impressed to see Windows 2000 or XP stuffed onto a 486 - or to see someone coerce NT4 onto a 386. Either way.
Right. Because as we all know - Man was put on this Earth to slave off at work, for meager pay just enough to put food on the table and keep the squaw content. Idiot. I wonder how you could live with the fact that you're getting less money for something you quote-unquote "like", while others find jobs where they spend the least amount of effort while still getting $$$?
Cool. I take the #66 mostly every day as well, from the Huron St. until the Chicago Blue Line stop. I would agree that it would be insane to try to use a laptop on the bus (but then again, my laptop is 5-6 year-old Thinkpad that takes 5 mins to boot into GDM).
It is shaky. The bus is full of people. Occasionally there are also people on the bus in front of whom you might not want to flash the fact that you have too much money in your wallet.
I don't even see how I could use my iPAQ rx3715 on the bus either, frankly. I tried to on the EL, but stopped after I almost jammed a hole through the screen with my stylus when train screeched to a halt...
Not to troll or anything (love Apple, love my iPod), but something tells me the entusiast PC market is just a *tad* bigger than the Apple computer market. I doubte AMD would have had issues...
By God... that would be aweful... being stuck with no real work AND a high salary? What ever would you do? (How about get to work 15 minutes late, go through the back door so Lumbergh can't see you, zone out at your desk, go to Chochkies with your G's, do nothing for the following 6 hours and then go back home to chill? Oh... that makes too much sense. Better go for a job that doesn't pay as well and requires actual work... lol)
I'll state it flat out. The arrogance here is all on Sorkin's side. Chutzpah, I believe, is the more appropriate individials. He basically has a job offer handed to him on a golden platter, and he starts nit-picking. Whatever. In his place, others would be glad Microsoft took any notice at all.
Yes, I would like a job with Microsoft. There - I said it. No, I don't like Windows. I am a Debian GNU/Linux user. No, I don't like MS' practices, but it's still the hands-down best place to work in the field of applied computer science. Yes, I was depressed when my flu affected my internship intervew with Microsoft. Who wouldn't be?
Moreover, I will state flatly that anyone here on Slashdot, including the most vocal MS-whiners, trolls, Linux/BSD/Darwin/VMS/whatever, given the opportunity, will go and gladly work for Microsoft.
Because clearly, our "elected" Messiah George Bush, somehow has a Jebus/YHWH given mandate to teach that savage Ahab the turban-wearing Arab a good lesson in Democracy, eh Cletus?
Respecting the people's wishes, eh? I don't see Dubya pulling out of Iraq...somehow.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-06-1
And of course, you would also like us to believe that brutal, callous, deranged and inhuman acts and thoughts are never justified in the name of Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Communism, Zionism, etc?
If you think today's evangelical closet-homo bible-thumpers have anything to do with Martin Luther and his sane schism from then-insane Church, you're off your chump... :-D
In fact, I'm not sure why American Lutherans call themselves Lutherans anyway. They certainly have nothing to do with the European (particularly German) Lutheran, plus they seem tor reject most of Luther's teachings... Feh.
No offense buddy, but if the forming of a quote-unquote "Christian Republic of America" is the end result you forsee from Bush & Co shenanigans, then I'm afraid you're suffering from acute myopia. :-( I don't mean to offend you or anything, but look further ahead. That and... well... lol, don't worry, these publically-uptight-privately-closet-homos are more likely to open up a male brothel than form the fourth Reich anytime soon, thankfully.
Single propagandic source of news? As is FOX, CNN, MSNBC,CBS, ..., qualify as "fair and balanced" news that matter?
Whatever. I know some uptight ID-10T failure will mod this "flaimbait", but when was the last time our "free press" reported anything more than canned statments and irrelevant gossip? Moreover, when was the last time you actually looked forward to seeing the 9 PM news to learn about actual pressing North American and World news?
Consider: Lacy Peterson, Lost boyscouts, Wacko-Jacko, family drama with that paralyzed person (as if this is the only person suffering), Iraq war "coverage", celebrity gossip, etc...
You're right - discriminating against others based on their race is not "racism", yet complaining about such discrimination is. Good one. Where did you pick up on that little bit of logic, buddy?
Oh yeah... Just perform a "File and Settings Transfer" from your "sluggish" 3-week desktop - always ready to turn that new cheap-ass DELL POS you bought into another virus, spyware and malware infested doorstop. Good one.
[quote] On another topic, this talk of investors has me curious. How does one connect with a VC or angel investment firm? Most of the more public ones don't seem to want to do business with you unless you're something other than a caucasian male. It seems that it can pay off to be considered ethnic. ;-)
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Lookup the definition of 'racism' in a dictionary and come back when you're done.
That would be *shared* bandwith, buddy.
Meh, I happen to disagree. All group projects that I'm dealing with in college are far up in candy-land and do not reflect productive team- and group-work as I've experienced in a corporate environment. If I applied the groupwork/teamwork/project skills I've been taught in college in the real world, I wouldn't have a job anymore and would instead have a verrry boring summer.
You really probably and most likely would have meant... IA IA CTHULHU FHTAGN!
Dude, slacks and polos totally rock. Nice to know I stumbled upon *the* dress code without any input :)
Sed? Pfffft. Real men use TECO.