it's a rule that EXISTS, yes, but does not necissarily (sp) make perfect sense in this case. some things that you got wrong:
no one libeled AOL. someone committed libel USING their AOL account. I'm all for enforcing libel laws, but in this case there's some doubt as to which juristiction to try the case in. I have accounts overseas (or I did at some point). If I, as an American citizen, libel a German, while in France, with a Swiss account, on a server in Belgium, where are you going to try it?
personally, I'm not a lawyer, but I always understood that legal advice was to be given dispassionately and objectively. (according the my grandfather, who is a practicing lawyer, at any rate) if you're a lawyer, act like one. if you're not, you're unlikely as I am to have a perfect understanding of the issues that cause real contraversy (sp) in our legal system today and so should not be pointing fingers and calling names.
people who do not use the internet as "a haven for lawlessness" have legitimate concerns about laws and precedents that affect them. big brother may be your best friend, but others may not wish such a close relationship.
Lea
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I (poor starving student:-) have been putting $$ aside to move to red hat for a while -- well, ever since my slakware system became obsolete (libc5/glibc2 thing). now, I'm not stupid about computers, but I also don't have as much time right now (having an actual paying job) as I spent getting slak to work before. I knew I could dl it. I knew I could get it at CheapBytes. I was going to buy it for the same reason that I'm going to buy CivCTP for Linux when my sister already bought the Windows version -- to support a company that was providing a valuable service to the community, and which I would like to see stick around and release more products.
Because of the hardware/software I use, I needed a 2.2.x kernel (or so my linux guru friend tells me:) and so I was going to go with RedHat 6.0. (Yes, I could have gone with SUSE or Debian or anything else, but that's not the point) Then I see the price on that thing. Too rich for my blood! I would gladly shell out money for RedHat, but not that much (I do need to eat, buy clothes, fix my bike, etc!). Red Hat, what is with this? I realize it costs a lot of $$ for support, but quite a lot of people won't BUY it in the first place now! (ok, maybe I'm unique as a student buying redhat -- or not buying redhat -- but I don't think so)
So, I invested in a CheapBytes CD, and I'm going to spend the extra money on Civ:CTP and food. (aka bike fuel)
As to the quality of 6.0, so far I haven't had problems with it, though I think some of those files are in odd places (compared to slak at least). Hasn't crashed at all, and besides a bit of trouble with my soundcard (plays sounds but claims it doesn't when booting) I'm doing fine... of course I still haven't finished configuring my modem...
I find it quite useful sometimes -- tradeoff being that I have a very difficult time concentrating on boring things, like this history final I have to take.
Done what to ourselves? Yes, we chose to be different, but we did NOT choose to be abused, harrassed, or beaten. The reaction to our personalities comes soley from the environment. I am living proof of this. I am the same person, to a large degree, as I was in middle school. (except no longer depressed... and that grew from my treatment there) In one school I was made fun of and avoided because I could program, and far worse, I was female. What girl/woman is expected to program, let alone beat the guys at it -- or math or science or anything else? Several YEARS later I found friends -- people, almost exclusively -- who had moved from other states or countries where the rules that prevailed there did not loom so darkly. We weren't beaten like other geeks might have been, but we were humiliated. Luckily for me, they did not hit girls, but that did not prevent them from throwing my books to the ground or stealing my possessions.
Was I asking for any of this? Simply by being intelligent in unexpected areas, I was a misfit and worse.
My family moved to CA, after far too long of this hell, and I went to a school were people were TOLERATED. Had I changed in those short months of the summer? No. But my environment had. No longer was school a living hell. Yes, it took me years to recover, but at least I was able to.
So what did I do wrong? How was I asking for my treatment?
I loved it -- once I moved to a school where everyone was pretty accepting, and the teachers really cared (I was voted teacher's worst nightmare, despite TA'ing for 3 at once one sem... but that's another story). There, for a few years, I was still in the "outcast" group, but it didn't really matter... I still was having a good time (beyond normal teen angst). My senior year, I was in the "more popular" group. Who cared? it was mostly the ROBOTICS team that made this up, and other people in all-AP classes (with exceptions... it's not like it was a very exclusive group or anything. it was just whoever wanted to hang out with us)
so, yes, high school can be great. yes, blowing up things in chem is fun... I empithize with those people who are going through the hell of it, however, since I've been there too...
...just so you know. He was some famous "real" ghost from a posh expensive hotel out in Monterey (CA).
unless you enjoy being the man in the grey flannel suit, and you are doing something you love, you will not become one. (although I do know some certain sysadmins who like to disappear like him!!)
I think that quite a few of us would like to be invisible, however... when I read these posts, I start crying all over again. School was hell for so many people, leaving many of us with scars that can never heal. For those looking, there are places (public schools, even) where the "system" does work. I moved in the middle of HS to Palo Alto, CA. Look at their school district: high test scores, high grades, and insane dedication to all sorts of things. Was I isolated sometimes? Never. There are people there of all sorts, and people are generally extremely tolerent -- the guy who liked to wear dresses was elected to school office. (and no, I was not exactly the prom queen or anything. any measure of popularity I had came from programming a robot for a national competition, etc) Maybe we should find all the places like this and look at THEM for the solution to the problem. Though it's hard to find parents that push their kids more than ours did, the tragedy that happened in CO may make them realize the impact they can have, and do have.
sorry... ranting a bit. but I see the way that many people are treated and can't understand why it has to be that way. want to stop genocide/murder/rape/etc? stop the violence in the schools, and you'll have a good start. however, if you sacrifice intellectual freedom for that, you'll be right back at the beginning...
well, if you're thinking what I think you're thinking, I agree with you...:-)
as much as I empathize with the guys in this predicament, I think the girls have it a bit worse. reminds me of the witch trials in europe a few centuries back... among the women who were targeted were people like midwives and other (somewhat) educated and skilled women. one theory is, with the reformation and all, that men were threatened by this... soooo *crack*
that's one of the reasons I like Berkeley -- my engineering professors don't care that I'm a girl. where I work and what I do is far more important to them.
unfortunately, when the smart girls go through school, it can be worse than the guys. when I moved to a "conservative" school in MA, people made me miserable SPECIFICALLY because I am a girl who does not fit their shallow expectations. I'm quite glad I'm in college right now and missing the witchhunt...
at least college is better. and, being an engineer like I am, there are great people around me to hang out with. (and date:-) )
I'd like to extend my sympathies to all those who are getting persecuted by their parents or school officials... it will get better. my suggestion: go to a large school (I'm at Berkeley). there are sure to be great people in such a large, diverse group, and professors or whoever don't take the trouble to persecute anyone (there are enough around that they don't really care), but some will take a positive interest in you, if you talk to them.
otherwise known as "bucky tubes" make better wires, etc...
I'm working on rod logic computers right now, actually, in between all my other classes. (yay 20-unit load!) designing a computer from the groun up has never been so much fun!
check out ralph merkle's stuff too... he's got GREAT stuff, and is absolutely dominating the field. bistable logic, anyone?
and it says this "even though I know very little about Linux, I/do/ know that there IS SMP and logging. a lot of it. and this article says there isn't."
just plain wrong. I'm not even a Linux advocate, but I do like it when people could MANAGE to get their facts slightly straight. For example: one may/critisize/ something, but denying that it exists is another thing entirely. I don't like the whole system of grades here (Berkeley), let us say for the sake of argument. does that mean I can deny their existance? NO! (but sometimes I certainly wish I could...)
the issue for some is the issue of quality of these things (or so it seems. I know squat about it). the issue for just about everyone should be basic correctness before discussion. basing your arguments on articles like these may seem to give you ammunition, but all it does is spread yet another lie, and annoy the people who DO know what's going on (which, as I'll say again, is not really me too much)
although some free speech is protected, false and harmful speech is not. lying about a company/posting insider information/doing illegal things by posting is NOT protected, and I don't believe it SHOULD be either. screws everyone involved, except for the person it gives a nice little thrill -- or a big fat check for selling the stock short.
so why is this a solution? I think that in many ways, it simply compounds the problem.
well, what do you do if someone posts inside/secret info about your company that is illegal to post? and then ALSO posts slanderous things that aren't true but MIGHT be. and then it makes your stock price go down?
this happened to my dad's company. it was not exactly cool.
(not that I'm for people getting beaten by those AOL users either:-P )
maybe message boards about stocks... dunno... hard to fix it! confirmation email at the VERY least!
and unfortunately, this does happen -- it happened to my dad's company on I think Yahoo stock boards. they posted some stuff that was illegal to post (trade secret stuff or inside stuff I guess) and some stuff that was untrue and harmful. their stock price took a hit. it was not pretty.
it is one thing to have free speech, but there are reasons why we restict it. there are these things called libel laws and laws that say you can't disclose inside company info. My dad had this happen to his company on the Yahoo message boards, posting some VERY secret stuff, and some VERY illegal stuff, and some stuff that was just designed to hurt the company. he killed their stock price. it is a problem in some cases.
I'm all for free speech, but not for speech that is designed to hurt a company in illegal ways.
that's originally from some story about B'rer Fox and B'rer Rabbit... Fox was trying to get rabbit, and so he made a "tar-baby" so fox would grab it and not get him... fox grabbed and got VERY stuck...
whatever he/she may have said, I actually didn't realize it was a woman writing (didn't check the byline) until after. I still came to the conclusion that she needed some help.
personally, I thought she sounded rather ditzy -- and it wasn't just the way she mistreated her hardware. my computer's been knocked around quite a bit as well (but not down the stairs...) but I don't use the failure of my hardware to reflect on how I never use my better OS becasue I want to have "cultural literacy"
I don't have a problem with people using MS Windows -- I do myself. it just annoys me when people spout random crap and act in a totally non-logical fashion -- and then try to justify it with whatever random reason they can come up with. maybe she's just been brainwashed by MS, but certainly someone has wrung whatever computer sense might have been in her originally out for her to jutiify using inferior technology with a need to fit in. that is/not/ a technical reason. that's a ditz reason, and it sounds like my sister the cheerleader or my guy friend who will probably never stop using a Mac simply because he used to like a girl who used one -- and he doesn't like it.
personally, I like braiding things out of road-kill squirrels...
I think that the poster was just trying to conjure up an image of generally mentally weak people. that's what it did to me, anyways. her article made me nauseated. hmm. let's not even mention StarOffice and just kinda whine. ok. good reason to use (what she admits to be) inferior technology. I sent her a polite but firm letter. I hope she takes them seriously and stops writing this crap.
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it's a rule that EXISTS, yes, but does not necissarily (sp) make perfect sense in this case. some things that you got wrong:
no one libeled AOL. someone committed libel USING their AOL account. I'm all for enforcing libel laws, but in this case there's some doubt as to which juristiction to try the case in. I have accounts overseas (or I did at some point). If I, as an American citizen, libel a German, while in France, with a Swiss account, on a server in Belgium, where are you going to try it?
personally, I'm not a lawyer, but I always understood that legal advice was to be given dispassionately and objectively. (according the my grandfather, who is a practicing lawyer, at any rate) if you're a lawyer, act like one. if you're not, you're unlikely as I am to have a perfect understanding of the issues that cause real contraversy (sp) in our legal system today and so should not be pointing fingers and calling names.
people who do not use the internet as "a haven for lawlessness" have legitimate concerns about laws and precedents that affect them. big brother may be your best friend, but others may not wish such a close relationship.
Lea
I (poor starving student :-) have been putting $$ aside to move to red hat for a while -- well, ever since my slakware system became obsolete (libc5/glibc2 thing). now, I'm not stupid about computers, but I also don't have as much time right now (having an actual paying job) as I spent getting slak to work before. I knew I could dl it. I knew I could get it at CheapBytes. I was going to buy it for the same reason that I'm going to buy CivCTP for Linux when my sister already bought the Windows version -- to support a company that was providing a valuable service to the community, and which I would like to see stick around and release more products.
:) and so I was going to go with RedHat 6.0. (Yes, I could have gone with SUSE or Debian or anything else, but that's not the point) Then I see the price on that thing. Too rich for my blood! I would gladly shell out money for RedHat, but not that much (I do need to eat, buy clothes, fix my bike, etc!). Red Hat, what is with this? I realize it costs a lot of $$ for support, but quite a lot of people won't BUY it in the first place now! (ok, maybe I'm unique as a student buying redhat -- or not buying redhat -- but I don't think so)
Because of the hardware/software I use, I needed a 2.2.x kernel (or so my linux guru friend tells me
So, I invested in a CheapBytes CD, and I'm going to spend the extra money on Civ:CTP and food. (aka bike fuel)
As to the quality of 6.0, so far I haven't had problems with it, though I think some of those files are in odd places (compared to slak at least). Hasn't crashed at all, and besides a bit of trouble with my soundcard (plays sounds but claims it doesn't when booting) I'm doing fine... of course I still haven't finished configuring my modem...
Lea
this is what hack mode is :-)
I find it quite useful sometimes -- tradeoff being that I have a very difficult time concentrating on boring things, like this history final I have to take.
Slashdot is far too facinating!
Lea
Done what to ourselves? Yes, we chose to be different, but we did NOT choose to be abused, harrassed, or beaten. The reaction to our personalities comes soley from the environment. I am living proof of this. I am the same person, to a large degree, as I was in middle school. (except no longer depressed... and that grew from my treatment there) In one school I was made fun of and avoided because I could program, and far worse, I was female. What girl/woman is expected to program, let alone beat the guys at it -- or math or science or anything else? Several YEARS later I found friends -- people, almost exclusively -- who had moved from other states or countries where the rules that prevailed there did not loom so darkly. We weren't beaten like other geeks might have been, but we were humiliated. Luckily for me, they did not hit girls, but that did not prevent them from throwing my books to the ground or stealing my possessions.
Was I asking for any of this? Simply by being intelligent in unexpected areas, I was a misfit and worse.
My family moved to CA, after far too long of this hell, and I went to a school were people were TOLERATED. Had I changed in those short months of the summer? No. But my environment had. No longer was school a living hell. Yes, it took me years to recover, but at least I was able to.
So what did I do wrong? How was I asking for my treatment?
Lea
I loved it -- once I moved to a school where everyone was pretty accepting, and the teachers really cared (I was voted teacher's worst nightmare, despite TA'ing for 3 at once one sem... but that's another story). There, for a few years, I was still in the "outcast" group, but it didn't really matter... I still was having a good time (beyond normal teen angst). My senior year, I was in the "more popular" group. Who cared? it was mostly the ROBOTICS team that made this up, and other people in all-AP classes (with exceptions... it's not like it was a very exclusive group or anything. it was just whoever wanted to hang out with us)
so, yes, high school can be great. yes, blowing up things in chem is fun... I empithize with those people who are going through the hell of it, however, since I've been there too...
Lea
...just so you know. He was some famous "real" ghost from a posh expensive hotel out in Monterey (CA).
unless you enjoy being the man in the grey flannel suit, and you are doing something you love, you will not become one. (although I do know some certain sysadmins who like to disappear like him!!)
I think that quite a few of us would like to be invisible, however... when I read these posts, I start crying all over again. School was hell for so many people, leaving many of us with scars that can never heal. For those looking, there are places (public schools, even) where the "system" does work. I moved in the middle of HS to Palo Alto, CA. Look at their school district: high test scores, high grades, and insane dedication to all sorts of things. Was I isolated sometimes? Never. There are people there of all sorts, and people are generally extremely tolerent -- the guy who liked to wear dresses was elected to school office. (and no, I was not exactly the prom queen or anything. any measure of popularity I had came from programming a robot for a national competition, etc) Maybe we should find all the places like this and look at THEM for the solution to the problem. Though it's hard to find parents that push their kids more than ours did, the tragedy that happened in CO may make them realize the impact they can have, and do have.
sorry... ranting a bit. but I see the way that many people are treated and can't understand why it has to be that way. want to stop genocide/murder/rape/etc? stop the violence in the schools, and you'll have a good start. however, if you sacrifice intellectual freedom for that, you'll be right back at the beginning...
Lea
my boyfriend appreciates geekgirls too :-)
/couldn't/ find them, or where they tended to be depressed from school conditions?
if you think back, though, don't you remember a time where you
Lea
well, if you're thinking what I think you're thinking, I agree with you... :-)
as much as I empathize with the guys in this predicament, I think the girls have it a bit worse. reminds me of the witch trials in europe a few centuries back... among the women who were targeted were people like midwives and other (somewhat) educated and skilled women. one theory is, with the reformation and all, that men were threatened by this... soooo *crack*
that's one of the reasons I like Berkeley -- my engineering professors don't care that I'm a girl. where I work and what I do is far more important to them.
Lea
we're not all bad :-)
:-) )
unfortunately, when the smart girls go through school, it can be worse than the guys. when I moved to a "conservative" school in MA, people made me miserable SPECIFICALLY because I am a girl who does not fit their shallow expectations. I'm quite glad I'm in college right now and missing the witchhunt...
at least college is better. and, being an engineer like I am, there are great people around me to hang out with. (and date
I'd like to extend my sympathies to all those who are getting persecuted by their parents or school officials... it will get better. my suggestion: go to a large school (I'm at Berkeley). there are sure to be great people in such a large, diverse group, and professors or whoever don't take the trouble to persecute anyone (there are enough around that they don't really care), but some will take a positive interest in you, if you talk to them.
Lea
otherwise known as "bucky tubes" make better wires, etc...
I'm working on rod logic computers right now, actually, in between all my other classes. (yay 20-unit load!) designing a computer from the groun up has never been so much fun!
check out ralph merkle's stuff too... he's got GREAT stuff, and is absolutely dominating the field. bistable logic, anyone?
www.merkle.com
Lea
and it says this "even though I know very little about Linux, I /do/ know that there IS SMP and logging. a lot of it. and this article says there isn't."
/critisize/ something, but denying that it exists is another thing entirely. I don't like the whole system of grades here (Berkeley), let us say for the sake of argument. does that mean I can deny their existance? NO! (but sometimes I certainly wish I could...)
just plain wrong. I'm not even a Linux advocate, but I do like it when people could MANAGE to get their facts slightly straight. For example: one may
the issue for some is the issue of quality of these things (or so it seems. I know squat about it). the issue for just about everyone should be basic correctness before discussion. basing your arguments on articles like these may seem to give you ammunition, but all it does is spread yet another lie, and annoy the people who DO know what's going on (which, as I'll say again, is not really me too much)
Lea
Lea
my work might not be so good, but at least I take credit for it!
although some free speech is protected, false and harmful speech is not. lying about a company/posting insider information/doing illegal things by posting is NOT protected, and I don't believe it SHOULD be either. screws everyone involved, except for the person it gives a nice little thrill -- or a big fat check for selling the stock short.
so why is this a solution? I think that in many ways, it simply compounds the problem.
well, what do you do if someone posts inside/secret info about your company that is illegal to post? and then ALSO posts slanderous things that aren't true but MIGHT be. and then it makes your stock price go down?
:-P )
this happened to my dad's company. it was not exactly cool.
(not that I'm for people getting beaten by those AOL users either
maybe message boards about stocks... dunno... hard to fix it! confirmation email at the VERY least!
it isn't
:-)
oops... I guess I must have typed in the name of my professor instead. oh well...
MUHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
and unfortunately, this does happen -- it happened to my dad's company on I think Yahoo stock boards. they posted some stuff that was illegal to post (trade secret stuff or inside stuff I guess) and some stuff that was untrue and harmful. their stock price took a hit. it was not pretty.
give an even better name to those AC's out there!
why don't you attack those posters for giving AC's a bad name instead?
it is one thing to have free speech, but there are reasons why we restict it. there are these things called libel laws and laws that say you can't disclose inside company info. My dad had this happen to his company on the Yahoo message boards, posting some VERY secret stuff, and some VERY illegal stuff, and some stuff that was just designed to hurt the company. he killed their stock price. it is a problem in some cases.
I'm all for free speech, but not for speech that is designed to hurt a company in illegal ways.
how about dual water-cooled thermoelectic cooling modularized PII's? ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh, nicccccccccccccccccccce!
:-)
that's originally from some story about B'rer Fox and B'rer Rabbit... Fox was trying to get rabbit, and so he made a "tar-baby" so fox would grab it and not get him... fox grabbed and got VERY stuck...
:-)
yes. random.
well, if she needs the newest version of MS Word and she likes Linux so much, use StarOffice or something.
stupidity is what really transcends gender
stupidity is what really transcends gender
whatever he/she may have said, I actually didn't realize it was a woman writing (didn't check the byline) until after. I still came to the conclusion that she needed some help.
stupidity is what really trancends gender
personally, I thought she sounded rather ditzy -- and it wasn't just the way she mistreated her hardware. my computer's been knocked around quite a bit as well (but not down the stairs...) but I don't use the failure of my hardware to reflect on how I never use my better OS becasue I want to have "cultural literacy"
/not/ a technical reason. that's a ditz reason, and it sounds like my sister the cheerleader or my guy friend who will probably never stop using a Mac simply because he used to like a girl who used one -- and he doesn't like it.
I don't have a problem with people using MS Windows -- I do myself. it just annoys me when people spout random crap and act in a totally non-logical fashion -- and then try to justify it with whatever random reason they can come up with. maybe she's just been brainwashed by MS, but certainly someone has wrung whatever computer sense might have been in her originally out for her to jutiify using inferior technology with a need to fit in. that is
People confuse me, I guess.
personally, I like braiding things out of road-kill squirrels...
I think that the poster was just trying to conjure up an image of generally mentally weak people. that's what it did to me, anyways. her article made me nauseated. hmm. let's not even mention StarOffice and just kinda whine. ok. good reason to use (what she admits to be) inferior technology. I sent her a polite but firm letter. I hope she takes them seriously and stops writing this crap.