99% of users have computers that handle IPv6 just fine, most consumer routers even do it just fine.
This is such a non-issue it's just hilarious watching everybody freak about it.
Look, we pay fortunes for movies about NYC, and every big city or group, being invaded by alien, destroyed by sea monsters, bombed, flooded, attacked, and transformed into a prison. We enjoy fictional death and disaster as entertainment, to blow away the awful contrast in real life, boredom. This is a free story of doom that we want to fantasize about being true, just like y2k. So, fan the virtual flames, and get out the popcorn. IPV4 will be the end of the civilized world as we know it, and that's it, until it isn't.
We know that. We also know ways around the problems, and they work. All the stuff behind the NAT communicates. It's painful, but it does. Life goes on.
An important job had to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody’s job. Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn’t do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done
The price for ipv4 addys will go up. Their people who suddenly own fortunes in un-sold ipv4 addresses will start to sabotage ipv6, hiring marketing teams to spew bad news about it all over. The IPV4 price and demand go up more. Trade battles between Japan, the US, China and Europe will break out. IPV4 will be deemed a national security interest, and a government oversight board in the Dept of Commerce set up. IPV6 will be relegated to a hackers hangout meeting space along with IRC. Japan will invade the US with self-repairing nanobot armies eating up all copper and fiber connections. The US will firebomb Germany and feed a couple of nukes to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Yes the "average national income" in some places means little. In India and Brazil, the middle class is not that big, most are either wealthy or poor. Average actually doesn't represent very big numbers of people.
OS + Spreadsheet cost is equal to the average monthly income.
Brazil--
Average national monthly wage 2008 was apparently R$1515
Monthly wages of many young people around here that I know R$600
Windows 7 Home Premium price R$ 267,00
Office 2007 Home Win32 Port Fpp R$ 199,00
That situation has changed though. Until a few years ago wages were about R$100 lower, WinXP was around R$450, Office was around R$900. Don't know if the piracy situation will change, but I believe so, Microsoft is agressively (as always) bringing in low priced options, I believe mostly because OpenOffice and Linux started to be considered- and actually used - by a few people as a legalization alternative.
Legal Malarkey(c) is great business if your neighbors are Americans, have money and follow the Law(c), but not if they are poor and don't know or have much laws. Then it's better to teach them programming and export electrons to people with Money, and Legal Malarkey(c). Legal Malakey(c) is a products registered of exclusive rights. Copyright by US Global Marines Peace Media Theater Services Corporation. Legal Malarkey is licensed for production and sales for export by Walt McDonald, Mac Disney, Coca Electric and other American, Peaceful, Democratic Corporations. Shush up and watch (c).
Society is broken, not the ideas that circulate freely, no matter what anyone would wish. GPS in phones - useful to owners, and to thieves, as in http://pleaserobme.com/. P2P and copyrights, anonymity, credit info, privacy rights, games. Lots of things have good and bad, legal and illegal, moral and immoral sides. I believe that in most instances, society is just having trouble adapting and finding the right way to do it, but it will change regardless, it's up to our actions to guide it. And simple easy answers that worked in the past won't do any good sometimes. Credit cards? Silly details, society and economics is totally broken.
It's contextual. Speech doesn't mean anything that is a vocalization. Vocalizations can be speech, or they can be intended to create immediate, injurious actions, bypassing other people's rational cognitive function.
There's nothing wrong with using the word "Fire" but shouting it in a crowded theater is not protected free speech. Similarly, telling somebody to drop dead is generally protected by your right to free speech, sure, but if you go up to somebody standing on a ledge, who is clearly mentally ill and considering suicide and you tell *them* "Drop dead, you worthless sack of shit. Nobody likes you and nobody will care if you are dead", well you are no longer expressing yourself in a manner intended to convey ideas to a rational actor (speech), but rather trying to cause an imminent action that you know will be fatal to another person.
Is there a legal concept of "speech intended to create immediate, injurious actions, bypassing people's rational cognitive function." ?
Either way, the media is full of lies in ads, programs, news "facts", politics, everywhere. Yes, lying about others (to denigrate them) to the public is against the law, but it does happen often anyway, people with power manage to get away with it. Lying about yourself (self promotion) has some legal limit as well, much lesser, and also happens on a regular basis. I haven't a universal answer for it, but allowing people to say bad things about others when they have no proof does seem like a possible way to socially deal with problems, such as a known murderer which nobody has proof of. Gossip already ruins reputations right and left, sometimes it's true and sometimes not, but it exists already. Ruining a reputation does not exactly kill anyone, plenty of people live just fine with a pretty low reputation. It does make you lose prestige and money, but that's it.
Taking on planning to reduce and eliminate all violence ends up with discussions altering all of society. Economy, to reduce suffering and violence caused by it. Education, to reduce violence caused by ignorance. Health care, to reduce pain and anger. Communities, to get things done with less suffering. Politics and law, to reduce war and police abuses. And on and on. It's the invisible detail lurking behind everything that everyone ignores and laughs at.
Do we really want more incompatible software "platforms" than acronyms in our alphabet soup? Does anyone have the courage to stand up and say "compatibility requires talk on standards"?
Umm, that is pretty much the law anyway, unless you wish to ban using violence in self-defense or in law enforcement or in war which is crazy.
Trouble is, everyone with a reasonable lawyer and PR firm uses violence "in self defense", and most often gets away with it. Disagree, become a threat, they defend themselves. The use of force and violence is now institutionalized, sanitized, and invisible. Corporatized. The poor or ignorant, without PR, get involved in "violence". Others get 'briefly disrupted' by (insert undesirable element) and then 'return to normal operation.' In other unrelated news on the next week, there was an accident.
Yeah I agree. Went to a meet of theirs in Sao Paulo and spoke to some map-making guys. Heard that in London it's the best map by far. I started to contribute to it sometimes. Yahoo had apparently made some huge contribution a little while ago with some satellite images.
Make turn by turn for the iPhone, but make it so that it directs users to drive off cliffs. Imagine the look on their faces when they realize what just happened!
GPS coordinates for painful 90mph death cliffs please.
Yup, that's exactly the big question. How do stop the use of force and violence without using it yourself. Basically you can't I think, at that point it's sometimes too late, your options are more limited. You need to plan and educate slowly to reduce it gradually. Violence starts at people's minds, hearts, or pain, and that's where it needs to be prevented without resorting to physical force.
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99% of users have computers that handle IPv6 just fine, most consumer routers even do it just fine.
This is such a non-issue it's just hilarious watching everybody freak about it.
Look, we pay fortunes for movies about NYC, and every big city or group, being invaded by alien, destroyed by sea monsters, bombed, flooded, attacked, and transformed into a prison. We enjoy fictional death and disaster as entertainment, to blow away the awful contrast in real life, boredom. This is a free story of doom that we want to fantasize about being true, just like y2k. So, fan the virtual flames, and get out the popcorn. IPV4 will be the end of the civilized world as we know it, and that's it, until it isn't.
It's documented historical fact, imported directly from 2013.
smartphones will start eating up addresses faster?
Is there a list of IPV6-aware apps somewhere?
We know that. We also know ways around the problems, and they work. All the stuff behind the NAT communicates. It's painful, but it does. Life goes on.
An important job had to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody’s job. Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn’t do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done
but they'll definitely consider just NATting new customers.
Trouble is, 99% of users won't even notice. If they profile the users to figure out which ones won't notice beforehand, even more.
The price for ipv4 addys will go up. Their people who suddenly own fortunes in un-sold ipv4 addresses will start to sabotage ipv6, hiring marketing teams to spew bad news about it all over. The IPV4 price and demand go up more. Trade battles between Japan, the US, China and Europe will break out. IPV4 will be deemed a national security interest, and a government oversight board in the Dept of Commerce set up. IPV6 will be relegated to a hackers hangout meeting space along with IRC. Japan will invade the US with self-repairing nanobot armies eating up all copper and fiber connections. The US will firebomb Germany and feed a couple of nukes to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It's quite possible that lots of people will start running hacks of all kinds instead of ipv6. It's not like weird hacks aren't in use all over.
Some company will try to get IPV4 space and won't get it. They will setup on IPV6. They will be in the news. Transition will begin. End of story.
Every once in a while I think about it, then I can't find a reason. Anyone?
I con only imagine what's for sale in these 'new' data markets outside of the law, as it becomes easier and more valuable to gather and sell.
Yes the "average national income" in some places means little. In India and Brazil, the middle class is not that big, most are either wealthy or poor. Average actually doesn't represent very big numbers of people.
OS + Spreadsheet cost is equal to the average monthly income.
Brazil--
Average national monthly wage 2008 was apparently R$1515
Monthly wages of many young people around here that I know R$600
Windows 7 Home Premium price R$ 267,00
Office 2007 Home Win32 Port Fpp R$ 199,00
That situation has changed though. Until a few years ago wages were about R$100 lower, WinXP was around R$450, Office was around R$900. Don't know if the piracy situation will change, but I believe so, Microsoft is agressively (as always) bringing in low priced options, I believe mostly because OpenOffice and Linux started to be considered- and actually used - by a few people as a legalization alternative.
we put up with so much malarky it's sickening.
Legal Malarkey(c) is great business if your neighbors are Americans, have money and follow the Law(c), but not if they are poor and don't know or have much laws. Then it's better to teach them programming and export electrons to people with Money, and Legal Malarkey(c). Legal Malakey(c) is a products registered of exclusive rights. Copyright by US Global Marines Peace Media Theater Services Corporation. Legal Malarkey is licensed for production and sales for export by Walt McDonald, Mac Disney, Coca Electric and other American, Peaceful, Democratic Corporations. Shush up and watch (c).
The best comments I've ever heard on copyrights were on http://stealthisfilm.com./
Society is broken, not the ideas that circulate freely, no matter what anyone would wish. GPS in phones - useful to owners, and to thieves, as in http://pleaserobme.com/. P2P and copyrights, anonymity, credit info, privacy rights, games. Lots of things have good and bad, legal and illegal, moral and immoral sides. I believe that in most instances, society is just having trouble adapting and finding the right way to do it, but it will change regardless, it's up to our actions to guide it. And simple easy answers that worked in the past won't do any good sometimes. Credit cards? Silly details, society and economics is totally broken.
It's contextual. Speech doesn't mean anything that is a vocalization. Vocalizations can be speech, or they can be intended to create immediate, injurious actions, bypassing other people's rational cognitive function.
There's nothing wrong with using the word "Fire" but shouting it in a crowded theater is not protected free speech. Similarly, telling somebody to drop dead is generally protected by your right to free speech, sure, but if you go up to somebody standing on a ledge, who is clearly mentally ill and considering suicide and you tell *them* "Drop dead, you worthless sack of shit. Nobody likes you and nobody will care if you are dead", well you are no longer expressing yourself in a manner intended to convey ideas to a rational actor (speech), but rather trying to cause an imminent action that you know will be fatal to another person.
Is there a legal concept of "speech intended to create immediate, injurious actions, bypassing people's rational cognitive function." ?
Either way, the media is full of lies in ads, programs, news "facts", politics, everywhere. Yes, lying about others (to denigrate them) to the public is against the law, but it does happen often anyway, people with power manage to get away with it. Lying about yourself (self promotion) has some legal limit as well, much lesser, and also happens on a regular basis. I haven't a universal answer for it, but allowing people to say bad things about others when they have no proof does seem like a possible way to socially deal with problems, such as a known murderer which nobody has proof of. Gossip already ruins reputations right and left, sometimes it's true and sometimes not, but it exists already. Ruining a reputation does not exactly kill anyone, plenty of people live just fine with a pretty low reputation. It does make you lose prestige and money, but that's it.
You need to find the reason people commit violence in the first place. Why do people murder, steal, cheat, and etc? Resources. We can solve this problem by using a Resource Based economy. http://www.thevenusproject.com/a-new-social-design/resource-based-economy
Taking on planning to reduce and eliminate all violence ends up with discussions altering all of society. Economy, to reduce suffering and violence caused by it. Education, to reduce violence caused by ignorance. Health care, to reduce pain and anger. Communities, to get things done with less suffering. Politics and law, to reduce war and police abuses. And on and on. It's the invisible detail lurking behind everything that everyone ignores and laughs at.
Do we really want more incompatible software "platforms" than acronyms in our alphabet soup? Does anyone have the courage to stand up and say "compatibility requires talk on standards"?
Umm, that is pretty much the law anyway, unless you wish to ban using violence in self-defense or in law enforcement or in war which is crazy.
Trouble is, everyone with a reasonable lawyer and PR firm uses violence "in self defense", and most often gets away with it. Disagree, become a threat, they defend themselves. The use of force and violence is now institutionalized, sanitized, and invisible. Corporatized. The poor or ignorant, without PR, get involved in "violence". Others get 'briefly disrupted' by (insert undesirable element) and then 'return to normal operation.' In other unrelated news on the next week, there was an accident.
This project needs to be more widely publicized.
Yeah I agree. Went to a meet of theirs in Sao Paulo and spoke to some map-making guys. Heard that in London it's the best map by far. I started to contribute to it sometimes. Yahoo had apparently made some huge contribution a little while ago with some satellite images.
Make turn by turn for the iPhone, but make it so that it directs users to drive off cliffs. Imagine the look on their faces when they realize what just happened!
GPS coordinates for painful 90mph death cliffs please.
Yup, that's exactly the big question. How do stop the use of force and violence without using it yourself. Basically you can't I think, at that point it's sometimes too late, your options are more limited. You need to plan and educate slowly to reduce it gradually. Violence starts at people's minds, hearts, or pain, and that's where it needs to be prevented without resorting to physical force.