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What Happens When IPv4 Address Space Is Gone
darthcamaro writes 'We all know that IPv4 address space is almost all gone — but how will we know when the exact date is? And what will happen that day? In a new report, ARIN's CIO explains exactly what will happen on that last day of IPv4 address availability: '"We will run out of IPv4 address space and the real difficult part is that there is no flag date. It's a real moving date based on demand and the amount of address space we can reclaim from organizations," Jimmerson told InternetNews.com. "If things continue they way they have, ARIN will for the very first time, sometime between the middle and end of next year, receive a request for IPv4 address space that is justified and meets the policy. However, ARIN won't have the address space. So we'll have to say no for the very first time."'
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However, ARIN won't have the address space. So we'll have to say no for the very first time.
Hmmm, maybe that's part of the problem? They never say no to anyone. Do all those companies really need all those IP blocks? Maybe if they had said "no" once in a while we'd have another year or so to work out how we'll get everyone over to IPv6.
I'll bet the likes of IBM, DEC, and others were originally assigned enormous blocks of addresses that they are barely touching. I wonder if stats exist on the number of unused reserved addresses?
Who's even trying to transition to IPv6? Considering how close we are to IPv4 Ragnarök, the changeover should be close to finished by now. I don't see any real sign that it's even started.
Just do what I do at work. Ping the address, if there is no reply, assign it to something else.
Every once in a while I think about it, then I can't find a reason. Anyone?
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But somehow I doubt it.
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Some company will try to get IPV4 space and won't get it. They will setup on IPV6. They will be in the news. Transition will begin. End of story.
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it'll be a sad, sad day for lots of startups, that's for sure...
I'm not aware of the current status, but at the beginning of my Windows 7x64 Build 7600 experience, I had to disable IPv6. I mentioned that in a previous /. post. It is my sincere hope that Windows 7 is ready to make that transition. The problem I'm foreseeing is the amount of legacy networking equipment I have and also that belonging to TimeWarner/ATT/Verizon/Your ISP Name Here.
1: multinationals will probablly try to bend the rules to try and get IPs from a different rir (some rirs will run out before others).
2: isps will push end lusers* behind ISP level NAT in order to free up addresses for more important/lucrative purposes.
3: some sort of sale of IPs will probablly happen, whether it is sanctioned by IANA and the RIRs or not.
* we geeks will probablly be able to get public IPs but at a price premium.
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That thing has existed for a decade or so...
Why aren't we using it?
Using IPv6 would be the obvious solution to this problem.
That's why DHCP and the IPv6 protocol was created
The day we run out of IPv4 addresses.
It is time to get tough with companies that are burying their heads in the sand and not preparing IPv6 deployments for the day when the IPv4 Internet stops growing. Financial Analysts on Wall Street should be asking tough questions to the CEOs of any publicly traded company.
For some companies, who haven't got their acts together, this will be a crisis that could sink the business. This is going to have a far greater impact than the minor disruption of transitioning the Internet to IPv6 in a time when the only way to get an IPv4 address is to shut something else off. Most companies could handle this transition if they had already started testing and trialing IPv6 today, but some companies are woefully far behind, and they will find that this causes their sales to grind to a halt. When there are no more IPv4 addresses, they can't hookup new customers. And they can't add new sites to existing customers, which will cause a customer exodus to other companies that have their IPv6 deployed and ready. That exodus will gather speed due to all the press coverage.
For instance, the shortage will hit us in 2012, an Olympic year. What happens if they can't get enough IPv4 addresses to extend the network into the Olympic park and the athlete apartments? That would be a global disaster for whoever is responsible.
China will probably cut over to IPv6 first. They started in 2000, and the 2008 Olympics was all IPv6. It was clear long ago that China alone needed more address space than IPv4 could provide. The government also likes the "everybody has a permanent IP address" concept, for control purposes.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if China went all IPv6 domestically, with any translation to IPv4 at the "Great Firewall".
All mobile devices should have been on IPv6 by now.
The entire 240/ block is reserved. Is there something wrong with those IP addresses?
I guess it's time to start filling bathtubs with IPv4 addresses!
It'd be extremely inefficient. With numbers, you know that all IPs belonging to 123.222.X.Y can be handled by a router belonging to ISP XYZ on a particular fiber connection, and XYZ can route the packets to the right customer. You can't break down names like that, because there's millions of domains ending in .org.
in the short term it will add value to IPv4 addresses, and organizations not using them might *gasp* make money getting rid of ones it doesn't need. That's not a bad thing. We have this problem with spectrum too, there's no particular cost in having a huge chunk idling away once you've got it. Anything which motivated more efficient utilization is good, and money creates a motivation.
A short term will drive up the cost of IPv4 addresses will, in turn, make IPv6 look much more economically viable to people who actually pay for things. As with everything else in the real wold: money makes things happen. IPv6 isn't magically cheaper than IPv4, so no one has been all that bothered about it, so either you lower the cost of IPv6 or raise the cost of IPv4, and running out of IPv4 addresses manages the latter nicely.
You obviously have no clue how this all works do you..
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Normally the providers would get the IP addresses to give out. They won't be able to do that. However providers do not order them on a daily basis, so they will still have some available.
Some providers already ask extra for fixed IP addresses, even though they still need to provide one anyway (e.g. for ADSL) so nothing changes there either on that day.
So nothing will change on that day other that some can not be getting the IPs they asked for.
It will be interesting to see what will happen in the next weeks and months. Will IPv6 finally take over or will providers start giving out internal IP addresses for their customers and charge double for those that want a fixed one?
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Even now companies are hoarding IPV4 address space. More companies will invest in these valuable collectibles, locking up ever larger unused ranges. New markets in IPv4 address futures will arise. Rising costs, or claims thereof, will lead to ISPs charging even more for the temporary use of these valuable commodities. Great profits will be made before the migration to IPv6 is complete.
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I wonder what it would mean to the RIAA (or any IP-based litigation) to have multiple ISP customers consistently NAT'ted to the same IP.
... Maybe this won't be so bad after all!
Arin should require companies that merge to return IP address blocks they really don't need. Example HP has 2 class A address blocks HP had 1 (Net 15) then they bought Compaq and received another (Net 16) (along with a multitude of B and C blocks they acquired). If my math is correct that's over 32 million address in those 2 blocks alone. Do they need that many? Should they be required to move to 1 class A and return the other, I would say so. With all the mergers and acquisitions that have happened since the Dot com bubble there are a lot of companies sitting on blocks that they don't need.
ARIN should require that these companies return the blocks in a set period of time. This would allow legitimate needs to be addressed and give more time for IPV4. Frankly most companies could just use the private classes internally and only use public addresses for the systems that need them. HP, IBM, etc could use class A 10.x.x.x private internally and use a smaller block for external access. Today's Nat implementations could take care of the rest.
Just a thought
ARIN could even pay these companies a return fee to get the blocks back.
So, ARIN will say no. Will the Internet collapse because of that? Hell no. Whoever wants more IP addresses will have to go out on the free market and try purchasing them from someone. As it becomes a valuable asset companies and ISPs will see if they can charge extra for having their own IP address so they can sell the others. How many could live off a NAT'd connection? Or if you got say a machine with 100 incoming ports routed to you, could you configure any servers and whatnot to use that range? Eventually the cost/benefit will tip in the direction of IPv6. But I'm betting it'll be more like 2010 than next year.
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Like NAT?
Since we may have to do a transition any way, why not expand the telephone numbers system and assign a telephone number to every connected computer? Of course there maybe privacy concerns, so just a thought.
Or is it greedy organizations hoarding addresses that they'll never use?
Googling for something on the impact shifting to IPv6 got me to this pre 2006 article: http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/IPv6-Support-Microsoft-Windows.html
A good read. Seems that although there is limited IPv6 support on Win95/98, but it is better to just dump the OS when the time comes. It seems that fun times are to be had in the new feature for sysadmins and techs everywhere...
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This sounds kind of like the story a few months ago about how Windows 7 actually puts all your RAM to use, rather than letting much of it sit idle, and how some people thought that a bad thing. Once all the IPv4 address space is in use, then it'll be utilized fully. In countries where capitalism is practiced, people will buy and sell IP address blocks. As an example, there are now a fixed number of Playstation 1 consoles; none will ever be produced again, yet you can still buy one, and this will continue to be the case for many years (until they all break, or 2012 is a disaster).
...and offer them some serious wonga to switch to IPv6 and/or make more use of DHCP/NAT etc.
A lot of Universities have class B blocks (and a lot of those addresses are assigned to Ethernet cards now sitting in dusty cupboards and landfills). Still a non-trivial job, but probably easier for universities than big business.
Universities are gagging for cash at the moment - and even if all the cash is spent on the switch
Or the gub'ment can make them do it. Here in the UK, back in the 80s, the powers that be were forcing universities to use the ISO networking protocols: forcing them to switch to IPv6 is far less silly than that (e.g. unlike the ISO stack the IPv6 protocol actually exists and has been implemented by people).
In a survey of 100 programmers, 111111 thought that duck-typing was a good idea.
I can't believe the DHS hasn't required IPv6. Then they could require every computer to have a unique address tied to a unique person or physical address. What better way to catalog where everybody is when you need to look them up.
like expired domain names.
Phones, TVs, and millions of other devices that will never need to act as servers will be forced behind NAT walls.
There will be two price structures, client access and server addresses.
Client, will be NAT only. Server will have a real address whether it be fixed or variable.
Maybe they will even charge by DHCP lease time statistics.
Eventually, the entire IPv4 address range will be relegated to servers. And all the clients will be IPv6. They will be told that the "tunneling" is just temporary, but it will in fact be permanent.
No, No. Developer cycles are more important than CPU cycles. We can route strings just fine with this Ruby script I'll show you. Besides, I heard they were going to start building nuclear power plants again. Problem solved. (end sarcasm).
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Why don't we add another chevron..oops I meant set of numbers, I know that we have IPV6 but we could just add another set like an area code. If you don't specify, it would assume that you mean the one in your area code. That way you would only need to change dns servers and not every single home router or gateway ever created.
Oh Crap, I'm an optimist.....
Similar to the expansion of the US "wild west", we're due for years of backfilling and territory arguments. Look ahead to the owners of /8 address ranges having them confiscated. (MIT, for example, hardly needs it: they should be NAT'ing all their internal traffic anyway to prevent "computer science majors" from pulling stupid stunts like the David LaMacchia case (http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=169520).
NAT is notoriously lighter weight to support than IPv6, and helps provide some border control of undesirable services from inside your network. Replacing the router infrastructure and the configuration tools for stable, legacy systems to support IPv6 is expensive and the benefits of IPv6 are frankly underwhelming. It's exciting "auto-configuration" is, in most cases, a horrendously bad idea for public facing systems, and private systems don't need it. Useful security features, such as IPsec, were backported to IPv4. And the robust technical features of IPsec seem to be overwhelmed by the far easier to use client behavior of PPTP.
Multicast? Oh, dear. Do _not_ get me started on the flaws of multicast programmers decided that the lack of information about missed packets in multicast forcing them to rewrite TCP, badly, as an unstable software layer on top of multicast.
Comcast may bill you $5-$22 per ip just like tv for there over priced boxes and there cheap cable card system does not get there VOD system.
I just relocated to Virginia and to my surprise, Comcast is providing IPv6 addresses on their residential links. I'm going to activate IPv6 on my dd-wrt router and all my PCs sometime this weekend.
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If you ever need a motivation to promote ipv6, just move all the porn sites to ipv6.
Anyway, since migration to ipv6 is far too slow it will go like this:
-New internet devies wil be natted
+new devices will get a unnattd ip v6.
After that:
Someone will make a killer app for IPv6.
and ipv6 adaption will rise steeply,
IPv4 is too big to fail.
Bailout is on the way!
When Comcast can't address new customers, they'll get off their ass.
Actually, Comcast already has IPv6 in place and is rolling it out to customers.
They notified me this week that I was getting it and I'm waiting on word when they'll send the IPv6 cable box to me.
Back in the day when SCO was still headquartered in Santa Cruz, I had one of their OS coders teaching a Unix class at a local college. He pointed out that SCO had ended up owning two entire /8 networks.
Wonder if selling those could fund another round of lawsuits?
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good question and there are a few reasons all coming back to the internet's nature as a packet switched network
Firstly there is the fact that matching on variable length and potentially text strings is a lot more overhead than matching parts of numbers that have a known maximum length (so you can have fixed size address and mask fields for your routes)
Secondly there is aggregation. Domain names are allocated to machines administered by the same company but which may (should) be spread over the internet. IP blocks are allocated to providers and larger companies and machines on the same network tend to use bits of the same block. This makes the routing tables FAR simpler than if every machine was routed individually.
Thirdly there is packet size overhead, each packet needs the addresses of two machines, the sender and the recipiant. While IPV6 addresses are much longer than V4 ones they are still much shorter than an average full text address (particulally a client address) would be.
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this is one of the biggest hypes since the y2k bug fiasco... they've been telling us we're going to run out next year for YEARS now.. and still even with the jump in the millions of people/things going online over the past few years, we still survived...
Hint... Subnetting for one? many more out there..
p.s., what's with this irritating Preview function here that takes forever to proceed.....?
There will suddenly be massive demand for IPV6.
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We will not roll out IPv6, we wont run out of IPv4 addresses either, they will pull some VLSMv2 or CIDRv2 shit out of their hats and magically more IPv4 addresses! lol
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... the cost of getting static IP space will go up dramatically. ISPs will be charged more and more from ARIN for what few exist. They will in turn charge more to their customers. And there will be more strict justification requirements. It will seem like the end of the world is coming (which for many, it is). We'll probably see it in 2012 :-)
Yes, many ISPs are hoarding IPv4 space already. At work, we use Verizon Business (wasn't my choice). They are using FOUR (4) PUBLIC IP addresses (a /30 in CIDR terms) just to number the connection to our router. They gave us a /29 saying that was the smallest they can do. They also said that we could use 5 of those addresses. Well, I used all 8 of them, anyway. The key to doing that is NAT. Just don't number any broadcast interface (e.g. ethernet, token ring, etc) with that subnet, and you can NAT every one of them somewhere (so you can run 8 separate HTTPS servers, for example).
So all these "business customers" are burning up 12 IP addresses each, when they could in most cases use far fewer. Put the link to the router in a private IP space (usually, no one outside of your ISP or your own network needs access to these interfaces). Route exactly as many IP addresses as needed and NAT them all. They don't even need to be contiguous (although if they are proper CIDR subnets, fewer route table entries are needed).
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
There are currently two companies forcing the hand of the consumer ISPs to adopt IPv6.
Since February this year Youtube has put all the actual media reachable on IPv6 as default when you access the youtube website through their normal DNS name.
Apple's time capsule and airport extreme by default sets up IPv6 through tunnels.
This means that a lot of people with Apple computers browsing youtube movies are heavy users of IPv6.
As there are only a few tunnel brokers, the load on those will be quite high.
Fuck 6. Make it IPV7.
The Class A owners will sell off chunks of their space one B class at a time.
It's time for the address space hogs to give back to the Internet! Go through your IP blocks and see if there are any you can spare. Free .com addys for one month for each Class B reclaimed!
Seriously... IBM, DEC (?), BBN, GE, Boeing, DuPont, Prudential, Bell North (?), Ford, the US Post Office, Eli Lilly, Halliburton... do they really need their own Class A's all to themselves? Some having more than one? Uh, not likely.
http://xkcd.com/195/ (anyone know of a more up to date version?)
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
What happens when a state runs out of license plate numbers? They change the color of the license plate or add a digit. The internet could change the color of IPv4 addresses or add a number.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
...and we can watch the nerds scramble to upgrade their home and work enterprises so they can access it. :-P
I'm joking, or at least I think I am. If Slashdot did that I'm sure I would put more effort into getting an ipv6 address.
The earth will implode !
Or they will just assign v6 addresses..
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This is a good site.
www.ipv4depletion.com
ARIN is the group with the authority, however, changing such an established system would be rather awkward and wouldn't work unless everyone agrees to it.
Its like the Federal Reserve deciding not to print dollars anymore, and from now on deciding the currency would be Groats. People would still use dollars for their transactions until they all fell apart and you couldn't get any notes anymore.
IPv6 is kind of the same, you'd have to get to a point where everyone agrees that dollars are no longer in use and switch.
It can be done - look to the Euro - but that would still require ARIN to make the announcement that IPv4 is no longer in use (from a specified date) and turn the A DNS records off on that date. There'd have to be massive coverage in the news and everyone would have to be notified of the switchover to buy/configure their equipment.
Unfortunately, all the other registries would have to switch too, or you'd lose connectivity from them.
I think the biggest thing stopping this is simply political will. While there are IPv4 blocks available, it isn't going to happen.
Get google to give or strongly rumor to give preferrential treatment in terms of index position for sites with IPv6. Such a move would have a cascading effect throughout the content/ISP market.
I was part of Open Systems Interconnection, OSI. We were pushing one of those many technologies like XNS, CHAOSnet, DECnet, IPX, SNA, and ATM/SONET that 'competed' with TCP/IP (NCP had been beaten back by then;^). Before the days of NAT, I had a "very persuasive" presentation that showed the Internet running out of 32-bit IP addresses by 1995 (China and India were my big closers that silenced a lot of TCP wonks). OSI had a 'better' addressing scheme that did everything -- distinguished end systems (ES) from intermediate systems (IS), facilitated class of service, extended addressing to the transport/session/presentation layer services, incorporated MAC layer addressing, facilitated source routing, provided network management hooks, and would give you a blow job that pealed the cover off a plenum cable. It was the ultimate networking addressing scheme. The routing vendors, who were accustomed to shoving the whole network layer address into a 32-bit register, said they couldn't implement a 20+ byte NSAP address, even though they only had to route on a small portion of it. In the 1980s, that was probably true. Most of OSI died (X.500, ASN.1 and a few others survived), partly due to its massive scope (like ADA), and partly due to the fact that the authors ignored the IETF and most of the people who implemented the Internet. Much of what OSI tried to do is now being done by the IETF on their own schedule and their own mandate. To the victors go the spoils and the spillage.
before some politician says that we need to go to IPv5 before we go to IPv6?
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IPv4 went live with a Flag Day. You either switched to it, or you fell off the network. Unfortunately, the network is a bit large and varied to do that today. Which is why there are so many mechanisms to ease transition: 6to4, 6in4, 6RD, DSlite, Teredo, etc.
In any case, the current burn rate of allocations from IANA to the regional registries is about one /8 per month. No amount of reclamation of existing space, or even more efficient use of it will make a less than 32bit space sufficient to handle the world's network addressing needs.
In 10 years from now, when the IPV4 space has still not been exhausted, someone will start another chicken little thread on Slashdot asking what will happen when the imminent exhaustion of the IPV4 space occurs. :p
I heard they've got some IPv4 left in California.
My ISP for one of my work's location gave us 16 addresses. For this location, I only needed 1. I argued with them to take back the other 15, but they would not. I wonder how many unused IP4 addresses are out there?
Sadly, because it's not truly random, so it will just repeat after a really, really long time. It doesn't have enough state to generate every possible sequence.
Part of my job is tracking ip4 traffic. I can tell you that there is a ton of waste out there. 128-192 is full of waste. Also lacnic has way too many subnets then it really needs, at least for the time being. Also I think we should get of organizations being able to claim entire /8's. If we clean up waste, we easily have another 10 years of addresses.
Mobile is what's going to really drain ip's. If we separated it so mobile was all ip6 and regular pc's ip4 then we would be fine for a long long time.
* get rid of NAT - I like NAT, it helps me keep the private parts of my network - well - private
* auto-configure - what an awful idea, a recipe for disaster
* every device their own ip - um why?
And then there's the cost of implementing. Just as a simple example you can currently ssh or rdp to servers without needing dns to be working because you remember those critical ips and can type them in quickly. Try doing that in the ipv6 world. So you need new infrastructure to manage your addresses - that's not theoretically a difficult thing to do, but just one more reason to put off a non-urgent (to the people with ip4 addresses) change which gives no upgrade advantage.
There may be advantages to ISPs and network managers, I don't know, but they obviously aren't big enough that ISPs are pushing this change to consumers.
In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice; in practice there is.
If they can force you to shut down your "server" and use theirs, they can charge you money. The people whose job it is to monetize the web want the internet to be client/master. Where you are the client and they are the master. That way they can have reliable income which makes them all warm and fuzzy.
Thats why the tunnels will never go away. Because they will charge you for the extra "cost" of maintaining the IPv6 proxy servers. Never mind that they have no choice. Never mind that they could upgrade their hardware. Why upgrade their hardware if it would cost them money in the proxy service fees. To make your life better? IPv6 is a trap. And once all the broadcast mediums are dead, everyone will have to pay and pay and pay.
And if that doesn't work, kill Kenny before someone starts a Jihad.
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I paid thousands for 127.0.0.1 years ago in anticipation of this. Cha-ching!
They seem intent on having their own private internet anyways, so why do we need them clogging up the IPV4 space? Fuck them.
This whole situation just is part of human nature, if we delay the inevitable we just delay dealing with it.
It has been known for the longest time that ip4 addresses will run out, this is as well known as that telephone numbers have and will again run out. In Holland at least we went from 9 digits to 10 in my life time. And right now we are running out of mobile numbers as well.
If the deadline for ip4 was in ten years, then ten years from now people would go, "well if only we can delay it for another year, then we can deal with it then".
It is just how human's work. We never act until it is to late. IP6 has been around for a bloody long time by now and in fact most hardware and software already supports it. It is just that we don't want to change until we are drowning.
Just read the responses to this story, just like you, countless people suggesting all kind of measures to NOT deal with the problem now. Same as they did for year after year before.
Or as Terry Pratchett said. "Human beings are the only species to watch huge blocks of ice slam into another planet that in space terms is right next door and do absolutely nothing about it."
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
As an IT professional I have already got an IPv6 network set up, but I am using 6to4, which is far from ideal, since the subnet prefix changes all the time. I had bought the Apple Airport Extreme, to establish a tunnel to a Sixxs PoP, but due to a bug in PPPoE mode this is not possible - this bug has been present for two years and Apple has made no sign that they will fix it.
I have looked to non-Apple routers (for home use) for IPv6 support but I haven't found any that work out of the box. Between routers that don't support IPv6 and ISPs who are failing to jump on the IPv6 bandwagon, we are in a sorry state. For the IT professionals amongst you who are still denying the need for IPv6, well there is only so long you can keep your fingers in your ears. If you are responsible for your company's network, then you had better understand the impact and work that the the IPv6 migration will have. For example what hardware is upgradable to support IPv6 snd what needs to be replaced? You should also involve this in your purchasing of new hardware, otherwise you may find yourself replacing it sooner than expected.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
Just treat companies like they treat their customers.
Wow, you are such a great customer but in order to keep using our product (internet) you must immediately upgrade to our new version (IPv6)! It only has a few kinks to work out and there may be some (short term?) loss of functionality but in order to keep on playing you need to upgrade now!
...is that about 30% of all IP 4 addresses are locked up by corporations, educational institutions, government and DoD; they all got several Class A and B networks which can't be reclaimed unless returned by the owner.
Most of those are hidden behind firewalls and could be in private address space.
We also know that there are huge "reserved" areas of the IP address space, they have been reserved for 30 years... for future use.
So if I get this right, the thing to do is get IPV6 into your boxes and routers, link the internet ipv6 router to a Hurricane Electric tunnel, done, go home?
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That's what.
Like any resource, as it becomes rarer the price will go up.
Ultimately, the price will reach a point where people start
a) reviewing "do I really need all the addresses I'm asking for/have, or can I get by with less?"...like most physical projects, this sort of review is usually healthy for long-run efficiency.
b) reviewing the costs.consequences of switching to IPv6 architecture
We'll enter a long twilight where you'll have hardware designed to run IPv6 but back-compatible with v4 becoming common. As people replace old stuff, IPv6 will become more commmon.
And not one single bureaucrat had to mandate anything, nor raise a government bureaucracy to implement it. Huh. Imagine that!
-Styopa
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1631698&cid=32056406 Hilarious. The great "registered user wannabe expert" (not) in tomhudson loses his ass to a 'mere lowly anonymous coward'. Go get a degree in computers first tomhudson, before you look more the ass.
There's more - lots more. If you want to have some fun teasing a pimply-faced kid wannabe (and aren't worried about going to hell for enjoying it) join the fun :-)
Funnier still, is watching you avoid answering if you have a CIS or CSC degree tomhudson. You know, the ones you do NOT possess to your credit and name and that would lend you SOME semblance of expertise & credibility in the art & sciences of computing. The guide that's quoted from? It says to do a lot more than just use hosts files, though they are effective per the testimonial quoted in reducing security problems. You not only lack credibility in the art & science of computing, but it appears you lack literacy as well, because if you read that guide? You'd see it espouses the use of HOSTS files as only 1 SMALL PART of its overall guidance, which is based on what computer security professionals call "layered security". Give up tomhudson, you're looking sillier as you go, and others are noting it as well, calling you can ass, here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1637532&cid=32057610 like BasilBrush said of you, Mr. wannabe computer expert with no degree in CIS or CSC, and also the fact that you like to play "online attorney" and yet you have no law degree either, wannabe.
See subject tom, and see this as well, with others here calling you can ass, here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1637532&cid=32057610 like BasilBrush said of you, Mr. wannabe computer expert with no degree in CIS or CSC, and also the fact that you like to play "online attorney" and yet you have no law degree either, wannabe.
The only types that put down hosts files usage are those that own bad websites that either serve up malware, or, those with websites that are maliciously coded with bad javascript. Using a custom hosts file, populated by known reputable and up to date sources, allows one very simple concept to take place: "You can't get burned if you don't go into the kitchen". Not only does that result, but a user can futher speed themselves up by adding in their favorite websites into their hosts file to bypass DNS server requests (which dns servers are buggy themselves, see Dan Kaminsky online) saving the 30-N ms roundtrip URL to IP address resolution time and to also bypass DNS server request logs also. By blocking adbanners, which have been known more than a few times the past few years now to have bad code in them also, you speed up very noticeably also. It's your money, you pay for your online time also, and loading adbanners only takes away from that and slows you down. Between them being infected and lagging me, I don't need them around.