Not true. We can, today, reproduce most of the interesting work done by the Poor and Penniless people with machines, operated by (fewer) middle-class-ish people. And no one worries if poor, penniless machines suffer. However, this does mean that there are fewer opportunities available for unskilled labor. Society's real middle-long-term problem is to get those unskilled laborers a few Skills so they can do something useful and won't be completely obsoleted by a robot some day that's more cost-effective. Agreed. But its only in the 20th century where the lower-middle class, who are semi-trained, replaced the penniless.
You would rather we completely ignore the lower income 50% of the world (who would benefit from free software), because 1% of the world have bigger problems?
The idea of philanthropism (soup kitchens, clothes depots and your semi-mandatory sermon after the act) historically came about to aliviate the destitute who were flocking into the industrializing towns of the 18th and 19th century.
It's the socialeconomic structure that's broken, mostly because it *requires* penniless and poor and impoverished people in order to work. Philanthropy is not gonna fix anything, it will just maintain the current status quo.
and yes, who gives a flying circus ass about giving money to free software projects, when there's people all over the planet starving and living with less than a dollar a day?
i mean, look who the heck is proposing this "Open Software philanthropy". Someone who is on a stipend from a damn-rich institution. This is not about helping FREE SOFTWARE (yes, i'm yelling on purpose). It's about making more money.
There is no way in hell that "IT" workers are going to be on the bottom of the heap anytime in the near future. They are too important to the overall scheme of things. True, the "traditional" duties of your average IT worker have been changing, but then a lot of IT workers have failed to keep up with progress. Most companies, even large companies, are not just "big mainframe" houses anymore. People doing COBOL on big IBM boxes are going to have to change their outlook or suffer the consequences.
In any case, IT as a whole is hardly in any danger.
Were you here, both on slashdot and in this line of work, during the 2K layoffs and outsourcing?? if yes, what did that teach you? Were you then of the opinion that all those people that got fired where coding COBOL on big IBM boxen? Have you always been able to keep up with ALL technology?
And I must say, I disagree with your final statement as well. Do NOT vote according to who you think will benefit your own little group the most.
I might have to disagree with you on workers in the US being a "little group". In any case, i vote according to my Class consciousness
Vote for who you think will do this nation the most good!
Ah, the New Rome.
Who is this nation made up from? is this nation about benefiting it's citizens or is it sole self-benefiting, pure self-propagating ideology?
but the idea of a "voting block" made up by geeks, is uterly inane. Why, you say? We like to think ourselves (ie, us geeks) as a special part of our society, (us vs the ID-10T problem). it's a dipole, hence a false dilema. we're part of the US society as much as everybody else. We are workers ourselves, even if most of us make a well-to-do living from our work.
But in no-way do we differ from another working caste of this society. In this Revolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baroque_Cycle of the wheel, we got the upper hand, because we are techically inclined. But the wheel *will* make another revolution, and we'll be bottom-feeders once again.
My point is, in these comming elections do not vote such and such because you are a geek/woman/black man/white man/polka-dotted-man from mars. Vote vote according to your class: a working man trying to make ends meet.
> In addition, it will solve Many of America's and EU's problems. AQ, Venezuela, even Iran > is because of issues over oil. Once we stop buying from them, then terrorism will greatly diminish.
What kind terrorism are you talking about? What kind of terrorism did Venezuela engage in? And how stop buying oil from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Venezuela (and therefore drilling for oil in the Artic Circle as Junior said he wanted to do), will stop Al Qaida or Iran?
Also in your definition, do you mean State Terrorism as applied from Western States to the rest of the world? Because if you don't you're forgetting that the US has been convicted by the UN over and over for being a state engaging in acts of terrorism.
> You know, it might be possible that these topics dominate > the news so because they are the most important issues we > currently face.
It might also be that there's a huge propaganda effort going on. Remember what Noam Chomksy said about the Propaganda model in his 1998 "Manufacturing Concent":
Presenting an analysis its authors call the "propaganda model", the book argues that since mass media news outlets are now run by large corporations, they are under the same competitive pressures as other corporations. According to the book, the pressure to create a stable, profitable business invariably distorts the kinds of news items reported, as well as the manner and emphasis in which they are reported. This occurs not as a result of conscious design but simply as a consequence of market selection: those businesses who happen to favor profits over news quality survive, while those that present a more accurate picture of the world tend to become marginalized.
> Then RMS with his sometimes hypocritical usually Ultra Leftist views decides that companies are abusing the > nature of open source
Why is his Ultra Leftist views hypocritical?
> Most of us doesn't care about what Microsoft and Novel is doing trading patents in exchange for mutual > protection of each others patents are a normal thing that goes on.
Most of "you", who, exactly? Who is this "us" you're talking about? AFAIC, i do care if powers that be are trying to mutualy protect each other. In this day free software equals free speech. This will be even more more apparent in the next 100 years. I do care if someone is trying to shrink my personal freedoms. Argument from popularity, trying to use, are we?
> But GPL 3 is what worries people myself included because we feel that it is going into a direction that is > to strict and removes to much freedom from the developer and the user as well. Because a lot of the time > Users are Developers too.
That is not a freedom you have, Sir. It is not the perogative of any user or any developer or any company to remove a piece of FREE (as in speech) software from the free software pool. From a Marxist point of view, while under copyright law, releasing software in any other licence than the GPL, actually removes power from the developer and the user. As do pattents.
Hackers of the World, unite. You got nothing to lose. the pattent office, does, though. a lot.:D
PS1 Anybody care to comment on my hypothesis? "Computer Programmers are the first generation of western proletariats who can and do own their means of production". *cough*marxisthacker*cought*
I don't know how to tell you this, but you're an idiot. "There have been many comparisons between various archival media". ARCHIVAL is the key word. As in "we don't move these files around a lot". As in "It doesn't make much sense as an end user to discuss the undelying filesystem to something which is used to just have files sit around, as long as it's stable". Buy something that has dedicated commercial support for the next 20-40 years, like the LTO standard and call me in the morning.
I was expecting a slashdvertisement when i saw this article, about a web-hosting service commisioning a study.. It's all good though: The all wise google already has the answer to this article:
http://lake.glowie.com/~dmi/slashdot/google_is_wis e.png
Slashdot Mirror
Us Greeks just call them pigs, idiots, stupid motherfuckers or flower-pots because they bang peoples heads against flower pots and beds
*still hurting from last week's protest*
You would rather we completely ignore the lower income 50% of the world (who would benefit from free software), because 1% of the world have bigger problems?
[citation needed]thanks.
The idea of philanthropism (soup kitchens, clothes depots and your semi-mandatory sermon after the act) historically came about to aliviate the destitute who were flocking into the industrializing towns of the 18th and 19th century.
It's the socialeconomic structure that's broken, mostly because it *requires* penniless and poor and impoverished people in order to work. Philanthropy is not gonna fix anything, it will just maintain the current status quo.
and yes, who gives a flying circus ass about giving money to free software projects, when there's people all over the planet starving and living with less than a dollar a day?
i mean, look who the heck is proposing this "Open Software philanthropy". Someone who is on a stipend from a damn-rich institution. This is not about helping FREE SOFTWARE (yes, i'm yelling on purpose). It's about making more money.
Louis Althusser, anyone?
Unattended Windows 2k3 installs with slipstreamed drivers (from DVD) and/or Windows Deployment Services.
I've never seen a "welcome to such and such" screen in over a year
it's a fuckin' yo-yo.
Budda collapsed out of shame.
Were you here, both on slashdot and in this line of work, during the 2K layoffs and outsourcing?? if yes, what did that teach you? Were you then of the opinion that all those people that got fired where coding COBOL on big IBM boxen? Have you always been able to keep up with ALL technology?
I might have to disagree with you on workers in the US being a "little group". In any case, i vote according to my Class consciousness
Ah, the New Rome.
Who is this nation made up from? is this nation about benefiting it's citizens or is it sole self-benefiting, pure self-propagating ideology?
Fellow Senior Brother-in-Alms,
How does being a well informed individual, who doest thy keep thy lusers in check and thy LARTs in plenty, exclude thee from Class Struggle?
PS: Beer! Beer good!
you must be new around here!
but the idea of a "voting block" made up by geeks, is uterly inane. Why, you say?
We like to think ourselves (ie, us geeks) as a special part of our society, (us vs the ID-10T problem). it's a dipole, hence a false dilema. we're part of the US society as much as everybody else. We are workers ourselves, even if most of us make a well-to-do living from our work.
But in no-way do we differ from another working caste of this society. In this Revolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baroque_Cycle of the wheel, we got the upper hand, because we are techically inclined. But the wheel *will* make another revolution, and we'll be bottom-feeders once again.
My point is, in these comming elections do not vote such and such because you are a geek/woman/black man/white man/polka-dotted-man from mars. Vote vote according to your class: a working man trying to make ends meet.
> In addition, it will solve Many of America's and EU's problems. AQ, Venezuela, even Iran
> is because of issues over oil. Once we stop buying from them, then terrorism will greatly diminish.
What kind terrorism are you talking about? What kind of terrorism did Venezuela engage in? And how stop buying oil from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Venezuela (and therefore drilling for oil in the Artic Circle as Junior said he wanted to do), will stop Al Qaida or Iran?
Also in your definition, do you mean State Terrorism as applied from Western States to the rest of the world? Because if you don't you're forgetting that the US has been convicted by the UN over and over for being a state engaging in acts of terrorism.
> the news so because they are the most important issues we
> currently face.
It might also be that there's a huge propaganda effort going on. Remember what Noam Chomksy said about the Propaganda model in his 1998 "Manufacturing Concent":
> AMD has open sourced their Radeon drivers. What more could you ask for than that?
GPL Licence? better support for linux from AMD themselves?
Submersible CowboyNeal Powered by Linux Strikes at Soviet Russia.
AH! MOTHERLAND!
(vending from work)
emeger stlib; emerge kde4
run those two commands on your pc, go out of your basement and don't come back till those two are finished.
Dude, have the decency to leave the blow-up doll at home. It needs its rest.
> Then RMS with his sometimes hypocritical usually Ultra Leftist views decides that companies are abusing the
:D
> nature of open source
Why is his Ultra Leftist views hypocritical?
> Most of us doesn't care about what Microsoft and Novel is doing trading patents in exchange for mutual
> protection of each others patents are a normal thing that goes on.
Most of "you", who, exactly? Who is this "us" you're talking about? AFAIC, i do care if powers that be are trying to mutualy protect each other. In this day free software equals free speech. This will be even more more apparent in the next 100 years. I do care if someone is trying to shrink my personal freedoms. Argument from popularity, trying to use, are we?
> But GPL 3 is what worries people myself included because we feel that it is going into a direction that is
> to strict and removes to much freedom from the developer and the user as well. Because a lot of the time
> Users are Developers too.
That is not a freedom you have, Sir. It is not the perogative of any user or any developer or any company to remove a piece of FREE (as in speech) software from the free software pool. From a Marxist point of view, while under copyright law, releasing software in any other licence than the GPL, actually removes power from the developer and the user. As do pattents.
Hackers of the World, unite. You got nothing to lose. the pattent office, does, though. a lot.
PS1 Anybody care to comment on my hypothesis? "Computer Programmers are the first generation of western proletariats who can and do own their means of production". *cough*marxisthacker*cought*
I don't know how to tell you this, but you're an idiot.
"There have been many comparisons between various archival media". ARCHIVAL is the key word. As in "we don't move these files around a lot". As in "It doesn't make much sense as an end user to discuss the undelying filesystem to something which is used to just have files sit around, as long as it's stable". Buy something that has dedicated commercial support for the next 20-40 years, like the LTO standard and call me in the morning.
> What technology would you suggest to use to do this broadcasting?
Who said that there should be any broadcasting at all in the first place?
I was expecting a slashdvertisement when i saw this article, about a web-hosting service commisioning a study.. It's all good though: The all wise google already has the answer to this article: http://lake.glowie.com/~dmi/slashdot/google_is_wis e.png
Paula? is that you?
> Better to have high bandwidth communication between IT and development.
You just managed to use more than one word to describe "synergy". Are you in marketing?
Zonk owes me a bottle of Dom Perignion from 1985. i popped it open before i RFTA.
enouch said :)
So, what you're saying is, that you prefer Social Darwinism over natural evolution.
And yes, by mentioning Social Darwinism, Godwin's Law has been envoked, hence this thread is terminated.