If the fundamental flaw is BOTH the way intel chips execute code and a primitive in Java, that could be dangerous.
I could get all snarky and tell everyone I buy AMD, but I wouldn't be too confident that a similar exploit couldn't exist there either.
This is all possible if...
You need to reliably produce a series of instructions on a typical jvm. This doesn't present a problem as primitive expressions probably get predictable JIT sequences,
The next question is what kind of exploit? Are you running native x86 code? If so, you are still limited by the OS level protection. If you can then create an exploit that elevates your permissions that doubly bad.
One more snarky comment. I don't like JITs. I like my interpreted code interpreted, and I like my binary code native. I prefer something like a PHP model where you put glue in PHP and hard code in a C extension or a service.
Think what you wish. I said the same thing about Wang, DEC, Pr1me, and others.
EBay will be dead and buried in less than 5 years, It will be acquired and destroyed by some giant like Microsoft, Google, or possibly even a rebounding Yahoo (long shot).
EBay doesn't add any real business value to the large customers it is currently targeting.
Paypal is a good idea, but FedEx, UPS, or even the USPS could offer shippers and receivers escrow and verification.
With Craigslist existing and growing, EBay doesn't have a viable business model.
If you disagree, please tell me what ebay brings to the table that Craigslist does not also offer? (And no, auctions are dead, people are sick of them.)
Their original market was bringing a community of sellers to a community of buyers and using time based auctions to decide who gets what.
This worked on the "fea market" model, where people could find a buyer for their property they no longer used. What happened to EBay was scammers. People buying things cheap on sale, and seelling them at full price plus "shipping."
Then followed the people who built whole business models on selling on ebay.
The geeks have pretty much stopped going to ebay because there are no more deal to be made. The people who don't know better are just now starting to see it for the scam it is.
Craigslist is the next ebay. Ebay knows this and that's why they tried to sue craigslist.
IF you want to make money, create a site that provides escrow services and dispute resolution to work in conjunction with Craigslist and/or ebay.
I have always believed that the flaw of the internet was in fact one of its strengths, The idea that it is a web of unrelated legal entities routing traffic. Once one starts to think about which traffic to route, the internet as a "free" (as in freedom) medium breaks down.
This is exactly what we are seeing today.
The problem with the internet is the same problem we have with the U.S.A. Fascism! The joining of government and industry is a dangerous precedent and strategy.
Just remember, Hitler (no godwin here, actual history) was fighting terrorists and protecting the children. We should be very suspicious of government that employs industry for its objectives because that mean industry will employ government of its objectives.
With RIAA, MPIAA, the telecoms and ISPs, and the new FISA bill can we ignore this any longer?
I was going to vote for you. I was willing to accept what you said was probably mostly true. You seemed like a change.
You are just another politician who doesn't give a shit about anything but power.
"Faith Based" initiatives do not belong in a nation that values separation of church and state.
Warrentless wiretapping does not belong in a country that has the 4th amendment.
Sorry, but you suck, but it just looks like 4 years of Barrack McCain Bush and the beginning of the 100 years war of resources, collapse of freedom and science, and the end of the dream of the founding fathers. Fuck you.
The U.S.A. is lost. We may have defeated the Nazis, but the fascists won WWII. I pity my children.
$20 bucks is not a lot of money and what it buys represents a vote for Linux and against the Microsoft monopoly.
If Ubuntu in Best Buy is a success, it can create incentive for other companies to test the waters and release software for Linux. It may even allow hardware OEMs to be open to selling Linux pre-installed. It may even generate more hardware support for Linux.
"If a mob of 1,000,000 people march on the white house with pitchforks and tourches demanding justice, there will be Bushmasters [wikipedia.org] , for a few minutes, and a big stinking mess for a few days."
Sorry it would take about a day for four of those things to wipe out a crowd if every single bullet fired happened to kill a single individual.
Consider the ammunition, the availability of bullet proof vests, and helmets.
If you are against a million people with nothing to lose, they will win.
To authoritarian people, the very idea that the masses have freedom is a scary.
Whether true or not, this story shows a very real reaction some people have to idea that they can't control other people. Freedom is, amongst other things, is also based on a "trust." At some point, a free people will rebel against an increasingly oppressive government. I think we are seeing the U.S. government racing to reach a state of control and surveillance BEFORE people start to rebel en mass.
The race is to get to a point where there is no way the people can rebel without losing their jobs, savings, houses, lives, etc. This is why students and kids protest, because they don't have a life's work of savings to lose.
The irony is that the corrupt powers that be had better fix the economy pretty damn quickly, as people with a lot to lose are easier to control that people who have lost everything. Once we have a major depression, the ideologies of abortion, gun control, "family values," become second to jobs.
If a mob of 1,000,000 people march on the white house with pitchforks and tourches demanding justice, there will be justice.
Run Linux Encrypt Boot and home disks. Encrypt everything. md5sum *everything* Boot off a knoppix or install CD periodically. Keep a spare motherboard around and/or change motherboards frequently. Always buy a name brand ethernet card that is a different chipset than your motherboard. Run wireshark on your laptop which you *NEVER* let out of your sight.
Remember, thieves will only steal your stuff. The government will steal your life and liberty if it is politically possible.
doctors too have a code of ethics, also an oath. politicians are supposed to have a code of ethics. police also have laws that regulate their behaviour, yet we have police brutality. should i continue ?
There is no perfect system. There are dishonest people everywhere and every rule has a loophole. The question: is requiring a P.I. license an improvement on the situation or not?
I have a serious problem with "all or nothing" argument. Since "all" requires perfection in people and implementation, "nothing" gets done. There are so many examples of where minimal issues with a generally good system paint the whole system as broken.
There is no perfection and seeking it is a fools pursuit. Like all things, you have to accept that there will be flaws and make sure the flaws are minimal and do not undo the original purpose.
Requiring a P.I. license makes a lot of sense. It means that there are rules to what they can do with information obtained in their line of work. Rules which do not apply to a 14 year old geek.
(c) To preserve as confidential all information received in an investigation unless directed otherwise by the client or unless under specific order or legal authority.
Will Joe Geek Squad have that as part of their license?
That 'attempt to derive embryonic stem cells' is not going to leave a viable embryo behind. Sorry, no man-pigs, just cells to culture and use for heart repair.
If the stem cells are used in people there *will* be pig/human hybrid DNA exposed to real viruses. These viruses may quickly adapt to the pig DNA and may be able to infect pigs with human diseases. Worse, maybe viruses infecting pigs will infect the eventual outcome of the stem cells and find a way to adapt to human cells. Thus introducing a virus that has never infected us.
It should be noted that in 10 years, cities and towns with old landfills will be sitting on some of the most resource rich pieces of land. The "mining rights" should be worth a fortune.
Gold, silver, copper, zinc, iron, hydrocarbon plastic, etc. all in abundance. Scoop it up, melt it down. Once the biological components that produce methane are depleted, then you mine for the elements.
same training also gives the person knowledge on how to dodge the law if s/he intends malicious stuff. or frame you for something. or be a general nuisance. A P.I. has a license and a code of ethics. *Any* person looking at your hard disk can do bad things, a P.I. has an incentive to keep their license. PLUS a P.I. is a "known" person, they are verified by licensing entity and sworn in. It isn't some kid you barely know looking at your browser cache.
I'm on the fence, I can understand how trivial and technical "repairing" computers can be, which explains how a 14 year old geek can typically fix a computer.
However, the notion that this person should be a PI sort of makes sense. I'm not aware of the responsibilities of a PI in Texas, but having a license which is intended to prove some reference and proof of training of person who will have access to your hard disk and the private information it contains doesn't strike me as a bad thing.
Does anyone see the inherent danger of making a hybrid which could create an evolutionary path for diseases which are isolated in pigs to infect humans and vice versa?
Humans wiped out by a virus never able to get a grip on human DNA and/or pigs wiped out by viruses never able to infect pigs.
This is no joke. This stuff is crazy and a real concern. Just because it is a well researched and studied idea, doesn't mean its a good idea.
Fuck asteroids and global warming, genetic research will wipe us out long before the other methods by which we've been seeking to kill ourselves.
Now the theological question, does man-pig have a soul? Will it go to heaven? What if it has intelligence? I mean, G. W. Bushpig. couldn't be much smarter.
Obviously and there is certainly no argument here.
The full force of the presidency is not something that is easily resisted. If you or I were told, by the president, to do something we thought was wrong or become "enemy combatants," unless it was something akin to murder, I would probably go along and protest to the ACLU from a position of better relative safety.
Remember, these scum in office are criminals and murderers.
The more I see this stuff the more I remember a philosophical point my history teacher told me once. In the revolutionary period, the "news papers" were far more attacking and had far more offensive rumors and accusations.
Now we see freedom being abused to spread "their" propaganda better than "our" propaganda. Whether or not we have the monopoly of truth is debatable. However, we are in a fight here and the *only* way to win a war of ideas is the freedom of expression of these ideas and hope that your ideas win.
As an american, I'm not sure our ideals, as currently practiced, will win. We have to do a better job of things. Al Qaeda is only winning the war of ideals because we, the western world, have turned its back on democracy and society in favor of raw and savage unregulated capitalism which is destroying our economies and an aggressive preemptive war strategy designed to suppress any dissent in foreign nations which is emptying our treasury.
Suppressing information is not a way to win the hearts and minds of people, especially while we are doing such a bad job living up to our ideals.
This is by far the most troubling statement. Don't get me wrong, I think people should discuss them, but...... and there is a big but here.
Still today, people think you can square a circle, they think there is a way around PI. They may discuss a theory, but that implies no competency to do so.
The problem, with ID and anti-global warming is that we have very craft word smiths and pseudo-scientists, or and lets be honest here, cynically dishonest people intentionally creating plausible sounding arguments that are intended to sound legitimate. Worse yet, the average person, even some of the most educated, would have trouble refuting the arguments because to do so requires both the debater and the audience to have a solid understanding of the science. Many people have a functioning understanding, but not enough people understand the facts and the theories well enough to see through the bill shit.
What makes this worse is that, in the U.S.A at least, we have a large amount of people, for what ever reason, "believe" in evolution and are not predisposed to listing to science.
Generally speaking this is not an "ex post facto" violation.
The government can't make laws that prohibit actions and apply them retroactively. The government has the right to protect against prosecution for the greater good. For instance: A man breaks in to a building, batters some of the residents in order to diffuse a bomb that would have killed everyone. Those people decide to sue for their injuries. The government has the right (and obligation) to protect that man for his good deed.
The telco immunity is something I think is wrong, but can see the reasoning for it. If the president of the united states tells you to do something, there is a presumption (maybe not with this president, anyway) that what you are being told to do is legal or for the good of the nation. Remember, the president has legal powers as part of the government.
I'm not saying the telcos did the right thing, but the piece of shit president should be sued, not the telcos.
Can we just sum this up that you think "rich" people should pay more because they can?
No, I think the rich should pay more because they derive greater benefit from society than the poor. The "rich" are only rich because the poor allow them to be. There is a history of "poor" people getting so shafted that their rebellion turns violent.
"Class warfare" is not merely fighting back against the greed and excesses of the wealthy, one can't help but notice that hard working men and women are losing jobs, health care, and retirement to to the wealthy. 1% of the richest people in the U.S.A. own more than the total ownings of 90% of the people at the other side of the scale. There has been an active and orchestrated movement to reduce the amount of taxes and fees the rich pay. It has been a trick of numbers that makes it look like a tax cut.
Most americans, by number of people, not by adjusted average, got no tax cut. The "rich" saw their taxes capped *AND* pay a lesser percentage on capital gains and investment income than the poor pay on earned income.
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If the fundamental flaw is BOTH the way intel chips execute code and a primitive in Java, that could be dangerous.
I could get all snarky and tell everyone I buy AMD, but I wouldn't be too confident that a similar exploit couldn't exist there either.
This is all possible if...
You need to reliably produce a series of instructions on a typical jvm. This doesn't present a problem as primitive expressions probably get predictable JIT sequences,
The next question is what kind of exploit? Are you running native x86 code? If so, you are still limited by the OS level protection. If you can then create an exploit that elevates your permissions that doubly bad.
One more snarky comment. I don't like JITs. I like my interpreted code interpreted, and I like my binary code native. I prefer something like a PHP model where you put glue in PHP and hard code in a C extension or a service.
Think what you wish. I said the same thing about Wang, DEC, Pr1me, and others.
EBay will be dead and buried in less than 5 years, It will be acquired and destroyed by some giant like Microsoft, Google, or possibly even a rebounding Yahoo (long shot).
EBay doesn't add any real business value to the large customers it is currently targeting.
Paypal is a good idea, but FedEx, UPS, or even the USPS could offer shippers and receivers escrow and verification.
With Craigslist existing and growing, EBay doesn't have a viable business model.
If you disagree, please tell me what ebay brings to the table that Craigslist does not also offer? (And no, auctions are dead, people are sick of them.)
Their original market was bringing a community of sellers to a community of buyers and using time based auctions to decide who gets what.
This worked on the "fea market" model, where people could find a buyer for their property they no longer used. What happened to EBay was scammers. People buying things cheap on sale, and seelling them at full price plus "shipping."
Then followed the people who built whole business models on selling on ebay.
The geeks have pretty much stopped going to ebay because there are no more deal to be made. The people who don't know better are just now starting to see it for the scam it is.
Craigslist is the next ebay. Ebay knows this and that's why they tried to sue craigslist.
IF you want to make money, create a site that provides escrow services and dispute resolution to work in conjunction with Craigslist and/or ebay.
I have always believed that the flaw of the internet was in fact one of its strengths, The idea that it is a web of unrelated legal entities routing traffic. Once one starts to think about which traffic to route, the internet as a "free" (as in freedom) medium breaks down.
This is exactly what we are seeing today.
The problem with the internet is the same problem we have with the U.S.A. Fascism! The joining of government and industry is a dangerous precedent and strategy.
Just remember, Hitler (no godwin here, actual history) was fighting terrorists and protecting the children. We should be very suspicious of government that employs industry for its objectives because that mean industry will employ government of its objectives.
With RIAA, MPIAA, the telecoms and ISPs, and the new FISA bill can we ignore this any longer?
I was going to vote for you. I was willing to accept what you said was probably mostly true. You seemed like a change.
You are just another politician who doesn't give a shit about anything but power.
"Faith Based" initiatives do not belong in a nation that values separation of church and state.
Warrentless wiretapping does not belong in a country that has the 4th amendment.
Sorry, but you suck, but it just looks like 4 years of Barrack McCain Bush and the beginning of the 100 years war of resources, collapse of freedom and science, and the end of the dream of the founding fathers. Fuck you.
The U.S.A. is lost. We may have defeated the Nazis, but the fascists won WWII. I pity my children.
$20 bucks is not a lot of money and what it buys represents a vote for Linux and against the Microsoft monopoly.
If Ubuntu in Best Buy is a success, it can create incentive for other companies to test the waters and release software for Linux. It may even allow hardware OEMs to be open to selling Linux pre-installed. It may even generate more hardware support for Linux.
I'm heading that way tonight.
You mean 999,998 right? :-)
"If a mob of 1,000,000 people march on the white house with pitchforks and tourches demanding justice, there will be Bushmasters [wikipedia.org] , for a few minutes, and a big stinking mess for a few days."
Sorry it would take about a day for four of those things to wipe out a crowd if every single bullet fired happened to kill a single individual.
Consider the ammunition, the availability of bullet proof vests, and helmets.
If you are against a million people with nothing to lose, they will win.
To authoritarian people, the very idea that the masses have freedom is a scary.
Whether true or not, this story shows a very real reaction some people have to idea that they can't control other people. Freedom is, amongst other things, is also based on a "trust." At some point, a free people will rebel against an increasingly oppressive government. I think we are seeing the U.S. government racing to reach a state of control and surveillance BEFORE people start to rebel en mass.
The race is to get to a point where there is no way the people can rebel without losing their jobs, savings, houses, lives, etc. This is why students and kids protest, because they don't have a life's work of savings to lose.
The irony is that the corrupt powers that be had better fix the economy pretty damn quickly, as people with a lot to lose are easier to control that people who have lost everything. Once we have a major depression, the ideologies of abortion, gun control, "family values," become second to jobs.
If a mob of 1,000,000 people march on the white house with pitchforks and tourches demanding justice, there will be justice.
There is something very morbid about using the work of a murderer.
Then I don't suggest you read any history. We all live and enjoy our lives on the work of murderers and other evil people.
Do you know *anything* about oil? Diamonds? Rap music? You hate MPIAA and RIAA, and they are evil, but have you stopped using their products?
Using the work of a murderer is nothing compared to owning a diamond.
Run Linux
Encrypt Boot and home disks.
Encrypt everything.
md5sum *everything*
Boot off a knoppix or install CD periodically.
Keep a spare motherboard around and/or change motherboards frequently.
Always buy a name brand ethernet card that is a different chipset than your motherboard.
Run wireshark on your laptop which you *NEVER* let out of your sight.
Remember, thieves will only steal your stuff. The government will steal your life and liberty if it is politically possible.
doctors too have a code of ethics, also an oath. politicians are supposed to have a code of ethics. police also have laws that regulate their behaviour, yet we have police brutality. should i continue ?
There is no perfect system. There are dishonest people everywhere and every rule has a loophole. The question: is requiring a P.I. license an improvement on the situation or not?
I have a serious problem with "all or nothing" argument. Since "all" requires perfection in people and implementation, "nothing" gets done. There are so many examples of where minimal issues with a generally good system paint the whole system as broken.
There is no perfection and seeking it is a fools pursuit. Like all things, you have to accept that there will be flaws and make sure the flaws are minimal and do not undo the original purpose.
Requiring a P.I. license makes a lot of sense. It means that there are rules to what they can do with information obtained in their line of work. Rules which do not apply to a 14 year old geek.
For instance, read this URL:
http://www.tali.org/code_of_ethics.htm
(c) To preserve as confidential all information received in an investigation unless directed otherwise by the client or unless under specific order or legal authority.
Will Joe Geek Squad have that as part of their license?
Why would I rent software to produce documents in a proprietary format I can't access without continuing to rent the software?
That's like renting a steam roller to produce a drive way that you can't use without continuing to rent the steam roller.
This is a dangerous thing indeed.
What would make more sense is to, in the future of course, come up with a methodology that does not store this information.
That 'attempt to derive embryonic stem cells' is not going to leave a viable embryo behind. Sorry, no man-pigs, just cells to culture and use for heart repair.
If the stem cells are used in people there *will* be pig/human hybrid DNA exposed to real viruses. These viruses may quickly adapt to the pig DNA and may be able to infect pigs with human diseases. Worse, maybe viruses infecting pigs will infect the eventual outcome of the stem cells and find a way to adapt to human cells. Thus introducing a virus that has never infected us.
It should be noted that in 10 years, cities and towns with old landfills will be sitting on some of the most resource rich pieces of land. The "mining rights" should be worth a fortune.
Gold, silver, copper, zinc, iron, hydrocarbon plastic, etc. all in abundance. Scoop it up, melt it down. Once the biological components that produce methane are depleted, then you mine for the elements.
same training also gives the person knowledge on how to dodge the law if s/he intends malicious stuff. or frame you for something. or be a general nuisance.
A P.I. has a license and a code of ethics. *Any* person looking at your hard disk can do bad things, a P.I. has an incentive to keep their license. PLUS a P.I. is a "known" person, they are verified by licensing entity and sworn in. It isn't some kid you barely know looking at your browser cache.
I'm on the fence, I can understand how trivial and technical "repairing" computers can be, which explains how a 14 year old geek can typically fix a computer.
However, the notion that this person should be a PI sort of makes sense. I'm not aware of the responsibilities of a PI in Texas, but having a license which is intended to prove some reference and proof of training of person who will have access to your hard disk and the private information it contains doesn't strike me as a bad thing.
Does anyone see the inherent danger of making a hybrid which could create an evolutionary path for diseases which are isolated in pigs to infect humans and vice versa?
Humans wiped out by a virus never able to get a grip on human DNA and/or pigs wiped out by viruses never able to infect pigs.
This is no joke. This stuff is crazy and a real concern. Just because it is a well researched and studied idea, doesn't mean its a good idea.
Fuck asteroids and global warming, genetic research will wipe us out long before the other methods by which we've been seeking to kill ourselves.
Now the theological question, does man-pig have a soul? Will it go to heaven? What if it has intelligence? I mean, G. W. Bushpig. couldn't be much smarter.
Both these behemoths have lost their ability to do anything truly interesting.
Just about the only thing that separates either of them is Google's promise "do no evil."
While there has been a touch of wiggling, they are more or less not evil yet.
Obviously and there is certainly no argument here.
The full force of the presidency is not something that is easily resisted. If you or I were told, by the president, to do something we thought was wrong or become "enemy combatants," unless it was something akin to murder, I would probably go along and protest to the ACLU from a position of better relative safety.
Remember, these scum in office are criminals and murderers.
The more I see this stuff the more I remember a philosophical point my history teacher told me once. In the revolutionary period, the "news papers" were far more attacking and had far more offensive rumors and accusations.
Now we see freedom being abused to spread "their" propaganda better than "our" propaganda. Whether or not we have the monopoly of truth is debatable. However, we are in a fight here and the *only* way to win a war of ideas is the freedom of expression of these ideas and hope that your ideas win.
As an american, I'm not sure our ideals, as currently practiced, will win. We have to do a better job of things. Al Qaeda is only winning the war of ideals because we, the western world, have turned its back on democracy and society in favor of raw and savage unregulated capitalism which is destroying our economies and an aggressive preemptive war strategy designed to suppress any dissent in foreign nations which is emptying our treasury.
Suppressing information is not a way to win the hearts and minds of people, especially while we are doing such a bad job living up to our ideals.
This is by far the most troubling statement. Don't get me wrong, I think people should discuss them, but...... and there is a big but here.
Still today, people think you can square a circle, they think there is a way around PI. They may discuss a theory, but that implies no competency to do so.
The problem, with ID and anti-global warming is that we have very craft word smiths and pseudo-scientists, or and lets be honest here, cynically dishonest people intentionally creating plausible sounding arguments that are intended to sound legitimate. Worse yet, the average person, even some of the most educated, would have trouble refuting the arguments because to do so requires both the debater and the audience to have a solid understanding of the science. Many people have a functioning understanding, but not enough people understand the facts and the theories well enough to see through the bill shit.
What makes this worse is that, in the U.S.A at least, we have a large amount of people, for what ever reason, "believe" in evolution and are not predisposed to listing to science.
Generally speaking this is not an "ex post facto" violation.
The government can't make laws that prohibit actions and apply them retroactively. The government has the right to protect against prosecution for the greater good. For instance: A man breaks in to a building, batters some of the residents in order to diffuse a bomb that would have killed everyone. Those people decide to sue for their injuries. The government has the right (and obligation) to protect that man for his good deed.
The telco immunity is something I think is wrong, but can see the reasoning for it. If the president of the united states tells you to do something, there is a presumption (maybe not with this president, anyway) that what you are being told to do is legal or for the good of the nation. Remember, the president has legal powers as part of the government.
I'm not saying the telcos did the right thing, but the piece of shit president should be sued, not the telcos.
Can we just sum this up that you think "rich" people should pay more because they can?
No, I think the rich should pay more because they derive greater benefit from society than the poor. The "rich" are only rich because the poor allow them to be. There is a history of "poor" people getting so shafted that their rebellion turns violent.
"Class warfare" is not merely fighting back against the greed and excesses of the wealthy, one can't help but notice that hard working men and women are losing jobs, health care, and retirement to to the wealthy. 1% of the richest people in the U.S.A. own more than the total ownings of 90% of the people at the other side of the scale. There has been an active and orchestrated movement to reduce the amount of taxes and fees the rich pay. It has been a trick of numbers that makes it look like a tax cut.
Most americans, by number of people, not by adjusted average, got no tax cut. The "rich" saw their taxes capped *AND* pay a lesser percentage on capital gains and investment income than the poor pay on earned income.
If that *isn't* a class war, what is?