ok before I get flamed to death...I run FreeBSD for mail/proxy and kde2 with kdemail as my mail client of choice. But, I use Windows for browsing and games and it's a substantial but.. I didn't have to buy a book to get windows up and running and I shouldn't have to for "unix" type os's.
ALL the relevant info should be in readily digestable format on the cd and there should be, in very large letters.. , instructions as to how to create a bootable disk so that when your install has failed you can still get back to the cd to find out what the hell you did wrong.
please define attack. A lot of the "attacks" (approx 3-4 a day) I see, are no more or less than pings.. ok they are pings pointed at particular ports where vulnerabilities may lie but it is still just a ping. Over the last 10 months, only one of these vicious attacks from an evil master cracker been followed by any activity indicative of more than a rudimentary intelligence. The dangers are vastly overstated, mostly by people who do not know what they are talking about usually, in my experience, in an attempt to impress people who know even less.
"many have accused me of spouting libertarian nonsense, I say to you that untrammelled freedom of expression is the only valid arbitor of a free society and as such I will ever strive to preserve such freedom in the glorious country I have the privilege to humbly serve" ?
p.s. you seem a little grouchy, I didn't like England after Margaret had had her wicked way with it, so I left. Didn't whine, whinge or moan, sold me stuff, packed a bag and pissed off.
http://www.sls.lib.il.us/reference/por/onweb/98/li ving.html is a collection of cost of living type information relevant both internationally and within the us.
I don't particularly care about the OS's / companies involved (I support NT, I use FreeBSD for virtually anything involving networking) what makes me irritated here is the oh so common techie arrogance being displayed here.
I work in customer service, it is my job to be rung up by people who know less than I do and help them, not to mock them.
Most of the people I work for wish to spend their time using the sotware, not working out how to install it or make it run.
This guy should not be in a customer service department.
Wrong way round, We pay the government so we should be able to spy and monitor and get to any piece of information when we want.
My thoughts are you want to to splatter all the information coming from every machine all over your network again! mmmmhh plug me and my sniffer in there, yummy
In my experience ( Linux various distros, now Freebsd), the key element that has either been missing or difficult to find/obtain is good documentation.
Most of the free unices are just that, FREE, how many many of us are prepared to pay somebody or some group to provide clear and coherent documentation of the different tweaks and customisations that exist and are frequently required by the different unices even at kernel level before you even start talking about ports.
To even attempt this task would require the setting in place of some kind of standard that will inevitably limit the flexibility of offerings
Whilst this flexibility itself is both a strength and weakness, I would resist an attempt to change or impose some additional framework upon it that might reduce the variety of tools available to me.
I use Freebsd and Star Office - and have had very few problems with Office 95/97 compatibity, if the dreaded Office 2000 takes off tho I think I'm stuffed. I use a NEC clone Pentium 166 128 meg and Neomagic and apart from some stickies with the PC-Card (then I found PAO: God bless em) no problems, I have also run RedHat on it and NT and 98. Biggest pain for me is reboots, I want to hot swap between OS's, I work in user support and have to support NT / 9X and having to reboot to check something is a pain
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Show me the entry that says how to start kde! It took me bloody ages to find it.
ok before I get flamed to death...I run FreeBSD for mail/proxy and kde2 with kdemail as my mail client of choice. But, I use Windows for browsing and games and it's a substantial but.. I didn't have to buy a book to get windows up and running and I shouldn't have to for "unix" type os's.
ALL the relevant info should be in readily digestable format on the cd and there should be, in very large letters.. , instructions as to how to create a bootable disk so that when your install has failed you can still get back to the cd to find out what the hell you did wrong.
or even
NETBSD Firewall project
its 64.28.67.48 but why would you want to know that?
please define attack. A lot of the "attacks" (approx 3-4 a day) I see, are no more or less than pings.. ok they are pings pointed at particular ports where vulnerabilities may lie but it is still just a ping. Over the last 10 months, only one of these vicious attacks from an evil master cracker been followed by any activity indicative of more than a rudimentary intelligence. The dangers are vastly overstated, mostly by people who do not know what they are talking about usually, in my experience, in an attempt to impress people who know even less.
Now that truly is frightening!
>>Tony Blair, our esteemed leader, recently used
>>the phrase "libertarian nonsense".
Where?, in what context? did he perhaps say:
"many have accused me of spouting libertarian nonsense, I say to you that untrammelled freedom
of expression is the only valid arbitor of a free
society and as such I will ever strive to preserve
such freedom in the glorious country I have the
privilege to humbly serve" ?
p.s. you seem a little grouchy, I didn't like England after Margaret had had her wicked way with it, so I left. Didn't whine, whinge or moan, sold me stuff, packed a bag and pissed off.
You might want to try it.
I wander if you can save all the sources as an .mp3 file and share it via napster !
I have run linux (slackware and redhat) for a few years now - I now use FreeBSD. Be aware that there are also OpenBsd and NetBsd see
ftp://ftp.iastate.edu/pub/netbsd/FAQ/.
observations follow.
1) out of the "box" I know what has been installed.
2) Many of the network type apps I run, either don't run on linux or run better on Freebsd
3) It is not as "beginner friendly" as Linux but as with any os, get to know it, it becomes easier.
4) installation is generally painfree if you rtfm. Package addition is simple.
5) I am not convinced it is ready for your laptop unless you are prepared to spend time getting the right laptop and the right pc-card.
6) Documented support is not as prevalent as with linux.
7) I am not aware of multilingual availibility - though someone may correct me.
http://www.sls.lib.il.us/reference/por/onweb/98/li ving.html is a collection of cost of living type information relevant both internationally and within the us.
I don't particularly care about the OS's / companies involved (I support NT, I use FreeBSD for virtually anything involving networking)
what makes me irritated here is the oh so common techie arrogance being displayed here.
I work in customer service, it is my job to be rung up by people who know less than I do and help them, not to mock them.
Most of the people I work for wish to spend their time using the sotware, not working out how to install it or make it run.
This guy should not be in a customer service department.
Maybe because there are no Mac servers out there?
Wrong way round, We pay the government so we should be able to spy and monitor and get to any piece of information when we want.
My thoughts are you want to to splatter all the information coming from every machine all over your network again! mmmmhh plug me and my sniffer in there, yummy
In my experience ( Linux various distros, now Freebsd), the key element that has either been missing or difficult to find/obtain is good documentation.
Most of the free unices are just that, FREE, how many many of us are prepared to pay somebody or some group to provide clear and coherent documentation of the different tweaks and customisations that exist and are frequently required by the different unices even at kernel level before you even start talking about ports.
To even attempt this task would require the setting in place of some kind of standard that will inevitably limit the flexibility of offerings
Whilst this flexibility itself is both a strength and weakness, I would resist an attempt to change or impose some additional framework upon it that might reduce the variety of tools available to me.
I use Freebsd and Star Office - and have had very few problems with Office 95/97 compatibity, if the dreaded Office 2000 takes off tho I think I'm stuffed. I use a NEC clone Pentium 166 128 meg and Neomagic and apart from some stickies with the PC-Card (then I found PAO: God bless em) no problems, I have also run RedHat on it and NT and 98. Biggest pain for me is reboots, I want to hot swap between OS's, I work in user support and have to support NT / 9X and having to reboot to check something is a pain