...the science of a guy who can't even get footy scores right? Tough call.
IPOF, creationists are quite happy to have dinosaurs exist, the YEC variety say roughly 6-10,000 years not 3,000 and it took six days. Go and readtheirownstuff if you don't believe me.
You'd look like a bit of an ignoramus coming at them with so many misquotes.
You don't whack together a 550' long (ie, OBO-sized) multi-level boat with extreme water-shedding capability, wave-motion-powered drainage pumps and laminate decks in your back yard even with the assistance of your three able-bodied sons.
I think you can safely scrub that bathtub-toy image from your imagination and replace it with a real, professionally-designed seagoing vessel as long as the Washington Monument is tall and with a displacement roughly the same as the Queen Mary. Build it out of very dense woodem members (think Jarrah or similar strength) two feet thick and recalculate appropriately.
Nor, according to the story, did all of the water fall out of the sky (OTToMH, the relevant phrases were "the fountains of the great deep" and "the windows of the heavens") or for that matter fall evenly. If the rain which did fall was induced by shock-related turbulence, you'd expect banded areas of high and low rainfall reminiscent of Jupiter's clouds.
Further, if the geological disruptions were as profound as those posited in the story then Everest & K2 may not have been as tall, nor Marina Trench as deep as they are today. Covering most of the land with a km or two of water would be plenty to produce the massive turbidites and planar landforms we observe today.
The detailed post-mortae which have been done on them suggest that they'd be amazingly versatile and perfectly adapted to life at the great depaths in which they lived - and died.
Since all Trilobites appear to have died off in their deep watery niche, this would also appear to fairly straitly constrain the methods available for causing same extinction, no?
It's a shame that so much science asks the populace to take it's findings on faith, instead of showing the evidence and how they came to the conclusion. Mabye it's the lack of good scientific journalisim, or mabye journalists don't trust the population to understand, just to accept. Remember there's not even a reference to the estimated sunlight blockage or temperature drop.
Oi! Don't go questioning the Recieved Wisdom of the few Enlightened Ones, or you'll wind up in Career Hell, sinner! (-:
Massive temperature changes and flora dieoffs after a Chicxulub could start in days and be complete in weeks. Just how fast do you propose to evolve these fruit-flies of yours?
...'coz in case it's escaped your attention, the grubs which hatch require outside care and feeding until they encyst for metamorphosis.
The conditions TFA says that the bees die under is "much to cold to live, much to hot to suspend animation". If the eggs didn't die before hatching, the larvae which hatched would be dead within a day, probably much sooner.
...scratching my head, but I think it's seven *pairs* of clean, not sure whether two or two *pairs* of unclean. Which would probably include baby dinosaurs (a mature seismosaurus would do in too many of the fittings and require a second OBO-sized boat full of food).
ISTR that some major classes of fauna, probably including bees, had to fend for themselves. Bees surviving on a vegetation mat is reasonable, and there is good fossil evidence for floating forests, which would help.
I call bullshit and rationalisation. One of the risks you face when nobody was on the spot with a video camera and survey gear at the time.
There are many smaller fossils around, but less of them are articulate than the biggies and the obvious factor to produce that would be consistently violent and non-specific interment conditions. If the smaller fossilisation candidates were simply being eaten by carnivores, there wouldn't be many disarticulated skeletons or intact scattered bones, instead there'd be a disproportionate number of eroded bones within coprolite and smashed bones. And there ain't.
In Real Life, carnivores and scavengers don't just disarticulate the skeleton, they smash up the bones (for the marrow) and scatter them over a wide area. In regions too desertified to have a high density of predators and scavengers, wind and dessication do a similar job. The erosion signatures on the bones would be pretty distinctive.
And she could make the claim fairly easily. Those dates aren't as deeply, pardon the metaphor, carved into stone as you might think. Forex, "The Oldest Human" has bounced back and forth from a nominal 2Ma to 6Ma in recent years and we're discussing circa 10x as old here.
Also, we're still waiting for an equivalent do do for other isotope-ratio dating what the AMS did for carbon.
They're saying "We own some of the patents/copyrights etc in these protocols. You may licence what we own of these protocols for free." Then comes the king-hit: you read the terms of this free-as-in-beer licence and dicover that you can no longer use your knowledge of these protocols to write GPLed software.
And of course the shallow thinkers in the audience will think "so what?" Here's what: the law says innocent until proven guilty, but Real Life says that if you get sued, you're going down whether innocent or not because you simply don't have the money to adequately defend yourself in court.
Think about that for a while. You contribute a GUI frontend to nmap and also sign their protocols licence. They sue you for using your knowledge of their parts of the protocols to contribute to a GPLed project. Sure, the code you wrote knows diddly squat about the protocols - only nmap needs to do that - but proving it in court before a judge who barely knows a PCMCIA card from a memory stick ain't gunna be so easy.
While you're busy doing that, they're also suing forty other GPL developers and another 40,000 have become too terrified by all of this to continue with their projects.
Then someone signs up for the licence who once contributed to SaMBa, KDE, GNOME, KOffice, OpenOffice, Mozilla, name it and suddenly Microsoft have a much bigger, meatier target in their corporate crosshairs than a lone developer.
Remember, they don't really care whether they win or lose the court battle, the end goal is to do as much damage to their competitors as possible, and everyone is Microsoft's competitor, even their own customers.
If they lose a court battle but shut down the OpenOffice project and permanently taint the codebase doing that, it's a big win from their corporate competitive perspective. The price of MS-Office would double within the year in most places, and they'd be constantly going over the code for KOffice, AbiWord and even Pathetic Writer after that, in the hope of finding a tainted author that they can bludgeon each project with.
After all, this is the science section, not the philosophy section, and arbitrarily discarding data because it doesn't fit your philosophy is bad science.
A bird is not "better" than a shrimp or a trilobite. Stick a chicken a few fathoms down on a reef and you'll see what I mean. Both listed "primitive" aquatic critters have complex features which birds don't. Your analogy is like saying "these early cars use a steam turbine, why did it take so long to evolve a turbocharged V8?" The V8 is heavier, only burns one fuel, requires more support gear, and the materials technology involved is actually less advanced.
Also, if the first animal hatched then why do bird fossils - even proper dinosaur fossils - appear so late in the piece? Complexity can't be the answer, since even shrimp and trilobites are as complex as birds in their own ways. And horseshoe crabs - muck-dwellers right at the bottom of the fossil ladder - are still with us today. The fossil sorting we do see seems to be based more on environment and density than on any systematic idea of age.
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Also FireFox 1.0pre, same distro. Maybe an MS-Windows issue?
No.
You're thinking of Philip Henry Gosse's "Omphalos" hypothesis, which is kind of obsolete anyway now that Uniformitarianism is flying into the ground.
- these bees don't store honey, so they depend on flowers
- the temperature drop wasn't enough to trigger hibernation
- [not from TFA] the queen can't survive alone, nor can larvae
- the flowers in the region don't survive asteroid winters at all
- ergo, neither did the bees
Too simple?It only takes a second or two check, which also lists the correct word if you got it wrong.
lynx -dump http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=$1 | \
gawk '/entries found for/ { e=1 }
(No news means no word)
The joke has already been made, albeit not in caps and with the spacing correct.
BTW, using any common Unix, you can do that with rot no programming required, and if your system has no such program, try tr A-Za-z N-ZA-Mn-za-m.
And by the way, we're here about your DMCA violation.
...the science of a guy who can't even get footy scores right? Tough call.
IPOF, creationists are quite happy to have dinosaurs exist, the YEC variety say roughly 6-10,000 years not 3,000 and it took six days. Go and read their own stuff if you don't believe me.
You'd look like a bit of an ignoramus coming at them with so many misquotes.
You don't whack together a 550' long (ie, OBO-sized) multi-level boat with extreme water-shedding capability, wave-motion-powered drainage pumps and laminate decks in your back yard even with the assistance of your three able-bodied sons.
I think you can safely scrub that bathtub-toy image from your imagination and replace it with a real, professionally-designed seagoing vessel as long as the Washington Monument is tall and with a displacement roughly the same as the Queen Mary. Build it out of very dense woodem members (think Jarrah or similar strength) two feet thick and recalculate appropriately.
Nor, according to the story, did all of the water fall out of the sky (OTToMH, the relevant phrases were "the fountains of the great deep" and "the windows of the heavens") or for that matter fall evenly. If the rain which did fall was induced by shock-related turbulence, you'd expect banded areas of high and low rainfall reminiscent of Jupiter's clouds.
Further, if the geological disruptions were as profound as those posited in the story then Everest & K2 may not have been as tall, nor Marina Trench as deep as they are today. Covering most of the land with a km or two of water would be plenty to produce the massive turbidites and planar landforms we observe today.
The detailed post-mortae which have been done on them suggest that they'd be amazingly versatile and perfectly adapted to life at the great depaths in which they lived - and died.
Since all Trilobites appear to have died off in their deep watery niche, this would also appear to fairly straitly constrain the methods available for causing same extinction, no?
...Terry Pratchett's The Last Continent .
Massive temperature changes and flora dieoffs after a Chicxulub could start in days and be complete in weeks. Just how fast do you propose to evolve these fruit-flies of yours?
So says the Flashified Kerry from JibJab's take of This Land.
...tropical bees don't.
...'coz in case it's escaped your attention, the grubs which hatch require outside care and feeding until they encyst for metamorphosis.
The conditions TFA says that the bees die under is "much to cold to live, much to hot to suspend animation". If the eggs didn't die before hatching, the larvae which hatched would be dead within a day, probably much sooner.
Heyaaaaaaagh! [gets flung into crevasse]
Sorry, had a brief Python seizure there.
I thought he was recieving Direct Instruction, and that's how he came to be infallible. Think of him as the Western Pope. (-:
...scratching my head, but I think it's seven *pairs* of clean, not sure whether two or two *pairs* of unclean. Which would probably include baby dinosaurs (a mature seismosaurus would do in too many of the fittings and require a second OBO-sized boat full of food).
ISTR that some major classes of fauna, probably including bees, had to fend for themselves. Bees surviving on a vegetation mat is reasonable, and there is good fossil evidence for floating forests, which would help.
I call bullshit and rationalisation. One of the risks you face when nobody was on the spot with a video camera and survey gear at the time.
There are many smaller fossils around, but less of them are articulate than the biggies and the obvious factor to produce that would be consistently violent and non-specific interment conditions. If the smaller fossilisation candidates were simply being eaten by carnivores, there wouldn't be many disarticulated skeletons or intact scattered bones, instead there'd be a disproportionate number of eroded bones within coprolite and smashed bones. And there ain't.
In Real Life, carnivores and scavengers don't just disarticulate the skeleton, they smash up the bones (for the marrow) and scatter them over a wide area. In regions too desertified to have a high density of predators and scavengers, wind and dessication do a similar job. The erosion signatures on the bones would be pretty distinctive.
...all in one article and me sans modpoints.
WOCL (wobbling on chair laughing)
And she could make the claim fairly easily. Those dates aren't as deeply, pardon the metaphor, carved into stone as you might think. Forex, "The Oldest Human" has bounced back and forth from a nominal 2Ma to 6Ma in recent years and we're discussing circa 10x as old here.
Also, we're still waiting for an equivalent do do for other isotope-ratio dating what the AMS did for carbon.
They're saying "We own some of the patents/copyrights etc in these protocols. You may licence what we own of these protocols for free." Then comes the king-hit: you read the terms of this free-as-in-beer licence and dicover that you can no longer use your knowledge of these protocols to write GPLed software.
And of course the shallow thinkers in the audience will think "so what?" Here's what: the law says innocent until proven guilty, but Real Life says that if you get sued, you're going down whether innocent or not because you simply don't have the money to adequately defend yourself in court.
Think about that for a while. You contribute a GUI frontend to nmap and also sign their protocols licence. They sue you for using your knowledge of their parts of the protocols to contribute to a GPLed project. Sure, the code you wrote knows diddly squat about the protocols - only nmap needs to do that - but proving it in court before a judge who barely knows a PCMCIA card from a memory stick ain't gunna be so easy.
While you're busy doing that, they're also suing forty other GPL developers and another 40,000 have become too terrified by all of this to continue with their projects.
Then someone signs up for the licence who once contributed to SaMBa, KDE, GNOME, KOffice, OpenOffice, Mozilla, name it and suddenly Microsoft have a much bigger, meatier target in their corporate crosshairs than a lone developer.
Remember, they don't really care whether they win or lose the court battle, the end goal is to do as much damage to their competitors as possible, and everyone is Microsoft's competitor, even their own customers.
If they lose a court battle but shut down the OpenOffice project and permanently taint the codebase doing that, it's a big win from their corporate competitive perspective. The price of MS-Office would double within the year in most places, and they'd be constantly going over the code for KOffice, AbiWord and even Pathetic Writer after that, in the hope of finding a tainted author that they can bludgeon each project with.
Are we clear on this point now?
After all, this is the science section, not the philosophy section, and arbitrarily discarding data because it doesn't fit your philosophy is bad science.
A bird is not "better" than a shrimp or a trilobite. Stick a chicken a few fathoms down on a reef and you'll see what I mean. Both listed "primitive" aquatic critters have complex features which birds don't. Your analogy is like saying "these early cars use a steam turbine, why did it take so long to evolve a turbocharged V8?" The V8 is heavier, only burns one fuel, requires more support gear, and the materials technology involved is actually less advanced.
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...and probably tasted like one too.
This whole "first animal evolution" thing reminds me soooo strongly of monks hawking pieces of the genuine cross of Christ.
Also, if the first animal hatched then why do bird fossils - even proper dinosaur fossils - appear so late in the piece? Complexity can't be the answer, since even shrimp and trilobites are as complex as birds in their own ways. And horseshoe crabs - muck-dwellers right at the bottom of the fossil ladder - are still with us today. The fossil sorting we do see seems to be based more on environment and density than on any systematic idea of age.
...or possibly not, but they belong to us anyway. (-: