You think everytime someone posts something it's because they were provoked?
When they keep claiming to be trying to end the conversation than yes, that's exactly what I think.
Ok, let's leave it at that then. BTW, when I said it, that was all I said. If you somehow think your troll here is remotely similar, you are foolishly wrong.
When faced with the same "attempt" you jump back in with yet another lame ass claim of some sort that doesn't even begin to touch the topic at hand.. Why didn't you disappear like I commanded you to? Hypocrite.
No, I accused you are being a troll because that is what you were doing.
To the simplistic, sufficiently advanced concepts appear as nonsense.
Do you really think you provoked me?
You keep posting don't you? Loller, loller, get your lollers here.
Do common and ordinary words mean anything to you at all? well, then, lets just leave it at that and you can disappear.
Do motivations and ideas mean anything to you? See how this works, I will 'try' to end the conversation now, "let's just leave it at that and you can disappear like the tool that you are."
It's sad to see NASA decline and go, but we'll come out of this stronger on the other end.
I agree, it's good for private enterprise, the sooner NASA gets out of the way, the better. But it's still one more stone on that path to hell that American civil liberties have been slowly heading down for decades now.
OK. Go ahead, make a fool of me, show me 5 RFCs that have achieved STD status that contain not-free-to-implement technology. Hell, show me ONE.
Hah. Hey dipshit who modded my post down - how about you prove me wrong instead of resorting to the cowardly "overrated" mod that doesn't risk getting caught in meta-mod? Oh, that's right - you can't because none of the RFCs that have come out the other side of the standards track contain licensing requirements.
However, you don't and I have attempted to end this thread more then 3 times
No you haven't. Telling the other person to shut up is only an attempt to end a thread in the mind of a egotist.
Perhaps if you made sense outside your own warped little mind,
Lols. Dude the only reason I'm trolling you is to make the punishment fit the crime. When you go around accusing people of being a troll simply because it hurts your brain to consider what they have to say, then the only thing left is to troll. You bring it on yourself, especially because you are so easy to provoke -- troll, troll, herp, derp, troll, troll, dirkadirka, troll.
When you are spoofing the user's phone, it's not really "out there". You are definitely using advanced tools to hack at that point.
I disagree that it was an "advanced tool" - the level of "hacking" was roughly equivalent to wearing a name tag with someone else's name on it. But more importantly they didn't do it with criminal intent.
If they really had criminal intent (and the chat log excerpts in the court filing don't even come close to making that case plus they didn't actually do anything with the information other than publish it and give it to a publisher - gawker) then I'd be ok with them being charged, at least proportionate to the crime. The way I see it, the only intent they had was to embarrass the crap out of ATT for their crummy security practices which ought to be considered a public good. Even if corps are people, they still don't have the right not to be embarrassed for their own actions.
From reading the logs its clear they've been edited for maximum impact by the prosecution, but even then all I see are some guys just talking shit about money and other things (like how to get "maximum lolz" out of situation).
But talking shit has been more than enough to get people put away for terrorism so these guys are probably screwed too.
Perhaps it's more of you imposing your trollish beliefs into conversations in a way that you inject fallacy within your objectiveness.
Dude, you write like the spittle is dripping off your monitor. The problem is with you by far.
It's particularly funny that you believe Bush is better than all of us because he is a recovered drug addict. Talk about scratching the bottom of the barrel there, its like you are trolling yourself.
Yes, it intrudes on my sphere, but I have no expectation of privacy at work, or on the street. If I want to do something private, I go somewhere private. It's not that much of a burden, at least to me.
What happens when cameras - and the databases behind them - become so pervasive that you can't go anywhere without a permanent record being made? Its one thing for some people on the street to see you walk to the corner drug store and buy a pack of condoms. Its an entirely different thing for that to be recorded and cross-indexed with everything else you've done outside of your home.
I think you got it without realizing it. Your requirement is arbitrary and subjective.
Lol, so you are saying that it is only in YOUR head that people put down Bush to feel better about themselves. Thus admitting that your judgment of their actions is completely about yourself and not about them at all. Kinda what I thought from the beginning, just surprised you copped to it.
I think St. Peter would appreciate the good that was done by removing the 500k people who were basically bad people for the most part. You made it sound like a christian saint would disagree with the killing of people from some other religion who is attempting to kill his religion's people.
I think you count on most of those being unfinished doorstops and many of them being unstarted doorstops. Rand is rabidly anti-religion but you never hear the citizens of Beckistan mention that.
You get ahead through cheaper labor OR superior technology. Soon, the US will have neither.
Yeah, I think you missed the point. Japan is competitive with the US, but they are not even close to being overwhelmingly superior. China's no more likely than Japan to get a leg up over the US in technology either.
It's a very clever idea, and companies are all falling over themselves to give away their best technologies to China, since they're so eager for short-term profits, they don't realize they're shooting themselves in the foot, long term.
On the flipside, if these companies have management that's worth a damn, they will spend that money on R&D for the next generation of stuff. So far, China has been great at copying but pretty sucky at development. I remember very similar characterizations of Japan back in the 70s and 80s. Eventually Japan got good at development too, but by then they had lost the edge of low labor costs. Korea is further along that path than China is (look at LG and recent korean cars for example), but not yet where Japan is.
It's still a bigger achievement then most of us will ever accomplish. You are the one placing the arbitrary meaningful qualification to it.
Lol, I'll take that as admitting that you can't think of anything that he did that was worthwhile.
If you don't believe me, ask yourself which sounds better on a job application for the last 8 years of employment. I was president of the United States of America, verses, I flipped burgers at burger town while living in mom's basement and going on line to argue and complain about everything that is wrong in this world.
While we are making up arbitrary phrasing to rationalize our love of hierarchy... Which is going to sound better to Saint Peter? I was president of the united states of america during the single worst economy in the history of the country and caused the deaths of over 100,000 and maiming of over 500,000 people due to my direct orders to invade a country under false pretences OR I flipped burgers at burger town living in my mom's basement and lived a completely unremarkable life?
Lol.. He became president didn't he? I mean that's a lot more then most of us will ever do in our lifetime.
Funny, that's exactly what I expected you'd write. And no. becoming president is not meaningful at all. Plenty of scoundrels have become president. Its just another job that in and of itself accomplishes nothing. What matters is what someone does with the opportunities afforded by their job. The list of destructive things Bush did with his job is pretty long.
I don't think it's a matter of them 'exempting' it, they simply can't do anything about source code.
Bingo. Source code is protected by the first amendment because it is a means for people to express ideas. Patents don't restrict speech, only use. So executing it is a violation of the patent, but it is impractical to enforce on anybody except large public, usually commercial, users.
Do I need to go on and list a few more, or is two enough to snub your ignorance?
He's not lying, he's just over-simplfying. So far, software patents have not been legally applied to source code because source code has been clearly defined as "speech" as it is a means for people to express ideas. So it is legal to write and distribute source code. But, in most countries with software patents, it is illegal to actually use a binary built from that source code. Its just the compiling it yourself or downloading it from a country without software patents makes it pretty much impossible to get caught.
You don't have the right to use a technology developed by someone else (e.g. H.264) without paying. It's nice if you have such an option and I understand why you would prefer it, but there is no inherent right to it.
Actually there is an inherent right to use a technology developed by someone else - absent any other factors, if you know the specifications there is nothing actively stopping you from using it. That's pretty much the definition of inherent. It's only through artificial constructs like software patents that people are denied the ability to exercise that inherent right in some societies.
You (me, everybody) don't deserve to get a video codec for free.
No, we do deserve to get a video codec for free. What we don't deserve is to force someone else to make a video codec for free (or really for any amount of money that they are unwilling to accept in return).
The flipside is that if you design a codec and give it away you don't deserve to restrict how it is used. But because of artificial constructs like software patents you do get to make such restrictions, in some societies.
Sounds to me that while talking, he can't hold a train of thought and plan ahead while talking, and when he slips, the scenario worsens. That's a brain tasking issue, not a proof of him being an idiot.
Its also kind of a disqualifier for being a modern politician since speaking well under stress is kind of a prerequisite. Before Bush there was Quayle. The closest thing the other guys have to that is Biden - but he isn't stupid in the same way, he just doesn't have a filter. He's still plenty coherent even at his worst, just kind of an ass.
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You think everytime someone posts something it's because they were provoked?
When they keep claiming to be trying to end the conversation than yes, that's exactly what I think.
Ok, let's leave it at that then. BTW, when I said it, that was all I said. If you somehow think your troll here is remotely similar, you are foolishly wrong.
When faced with the same "attempt" you jump back in with yet another lame ass claim of some sort that doesn't even begin to touch the topic at hand..
Why didn't you disappear like I commanded you to? Hypocrite.
Who are you the fucking geek police? Fuck you! You don't get to dictate to us which of us are and aren't geeks. Fucking asperger retard....
The geek police, they live inside of your head
The geek police, they come to you in your bed
The geek police, they're coming to arrest you, oh no
You know that posts are cheap
And those AC's ain't nice
And when you fall asleep
I don't think you'll survive the night, the night
'Cause they're waiting for you
They're looking for you
Every single night they're driving you insane
Those men inside your brain
No, I accused you are being a troll because that is what you were doing.
To the simplistic, sufficiently advanced concepts appear as nonsense.
Do you really think you provoked me?
You keep posting don't you? Loller, loller, get your lollers here.
Do common and ordinary words mean anything to you at all? well, then, lets just leave it at that and you can disappear.
Do motivations and ideas mean anything to you?
See how this works, I will 'try' to end the conversation now, "let's just leave it at that and you can disappear like the tool that you are."
It's sad to see NASA decline and go, but we'll come out of this stronger on the other end.
I agree, it's good for private enterprise, the sooner NASA gets out of the way, the better.
But it's still one more stone on that path to hell that American civil liberties have been slowly heading down for decades now.
OK. Go ahead, make a fool of me, show me 5 RFCs that have achieved STD status that contain not-free-to-implement technology.
Hell, show me ONE.
Hah. Hey dipshit who modded my post down - how about you prove me wrong instead of resorting to the cowardly "overrated" mod that doesn't risk getting caught in meta-mod?
Oh, that's right - you can't because none of the RFCs that have come out the other side of the standards track contain licensing requirements.
However, you don't and I have attempted to end this thread more then 3 times
No you haven't. Telling the other person to shut up is only an attempt to end a thread in the mind of a egotist.
Perhaps if you made sense outside your own warped little mind,
Lols. Dude the only reason I'm trolling you is to make the punishment fit the crime.
When you go around accusing people of being a troll simply because it hurts your brain to consider what they have to say, then the only thing left is to troll.
You bring it on yourself, especially because you are so easy to provoke -- troll, troll, herp, derp, troll, troll, dirkadirka, troll.
When you are spoofing the user's phone, it's not really "out there". You are definitely using advanced tools to hack at that point.
I disagree that it was an "advanced tool" - the level of "hacking" was roughly equivalent to wearing a name tag with someone else's name on it.
But more importantly they didn't do it with criminal intent.
If they really had criminal intent (and the chat log excerpts in the court filing don't even come close to making that case plus they didn't actually do anything with the information other than publish it and give it to a publisher - gawker) then I'd be ok with them being charged, at least proportionate to the crime. The way I see it, the only intent they had was to embarrass the crap out of ATT for their crummy security practices which ought to be considered a public good. Even if corps are people, they still don't have the right not to be embarrassed for their own actions.
Here is a link to the complaint with the logs included:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47136974/Auernheimer-Spitler-complaint
Thanks.
From reading the logs its clear they've been edited for maximum impact by the prosecution, but even then all I see are some guys just talking shit about money and other things (like how to get "maximum lolz" out of situation).
But talking shit has been more than enough to get people put away for terrorism so these guys are probably screwed too.
lol.. You just couldn't resist trolling one more time could you.
Seriously? Are you really are so failing in self-awareness that you can't even recognise a mirroring of your own actions?
well, then, lets just leave it at that and you can disappear.
Not just spittle-tastic but solipsistic too.
There are no pure good or pure evil actors or actions.
However there is lots and lots of hypocrisy and we've built up a big steaming pile of it since WWII.
Perhaps it's more of you imposing your trollish beliefs into conversations in a way that you inject fallacy within your objectiveness.
Dude, you write like the spittle is dripping off your monitor. The problem is with you by far.
It's particularly funny that you believe Bush is better than all of us because he is a recovered drug addict.
Talk about scratching the bottom of the barrel there, its like you are trolling yourself.
Yes, it intrudes on my sphere, but I have no expectation of privacy at work, or on the street. If I want to do something private, I go somewhere private. It's not that much of a burden, at least to me.
What happens when cameras - and the databases behind them - become so pervasive that you can't go anywhere without a permanent record being made?
Its one thing for some people on the street to see you walk to the corner drug store and buy a pack of condoms.
Its an entirely different thing for that to be recorded and cross-indexed with everything else you've done outside of your home.
30% more employment for patent lawyers from the USPTO
There I fixed that for you.
You see, you are a complete idiot doing nothing but trying to bring others down in order to prop yourself up
lollers. The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.
I think you got it without realizing it. Your requirement is arbitrary and subjective.
Lol, so you are saying that it is only in YOUR head that people put down Bush to feel better about themselves.
Thus admitting that your judgment of their actions is completely about yourself and not about them at all.
Kinda what I thought from the beginning, just surprised you copped to it.
I think St. Peter would appreciate the good that was done by removing the 500k people who were basically bad people for the most part.
You made it sound like a christian saint would disagree with the killing of people from some other religion who is attempting to kill his religion's people.
That is pure psychopathy.
Look at copies sold and then think about that.
I think you count on most of those being unfinished doorstops and many of them being unstarted doorstops.
Rand is rabidly anti-religion but you never hear the citizens of Beckistan mention that.
True, but was that a bad thing for Japan?
Of course not.
You get ahead through cheaper labor OR superior technology. Soon, the US will have neither.
Yeah, I think you missed the point. Japan is competitive with the US, but they are not even close to being overwhelmingly superior.
China's no more likely than Japan to get a leg up over the US in technology either.
It's a very clever idea, and companies are all falling over themselves to give away their best technologies to China, since they're so eager for short-term profits, they don't realize they're shooting themselves in the foot, long term.
On the flipside, if these companies have management that's worth a damn, they will spend that money on R&D for the next generation of stuff. So far, China has been great at copying but pretty sucky at development. I remember very similar characterizations of Japan back in the 70s and 80s. Eventually Japan got good at development too, but by then they had lost the edge of low labor costs. Korea is further along that path than China is (look at LG and recent korean cars for example), but not yet where Japan is.
It's still a bigger achievement then most of us will ever accomplish. You are the one placing the arbitrary meaningful qualification to it.
Lol, I'll take that as admitting that you can't think of anything that he did that was worthwhile.
If you don't believe me, ask yourself which sounds better on a job application for the last 8 years of employment. I was president of the United States of America, verses, I flipped burgers at burger town while living in mom's basement and going on line to argue and complain about everything that is wrong in this world.
While we are making up arbitrary phrasing to rationalize our love of hierarchy... Which is going to sound better to Saint Peter? I was president of the united states of america during the single worst economy in the history of the country and caused the deaths of over 100,000 and maiming of over 500,000 people due to my direct orders to invade a country under false pretences OR I flipped burgers at burger town living in my mom's basement and lived a completely unremarkable life?
Lol.. He became president didn't he? I mean that's a lot more then most of us will ever do in our lifetime.
Funny, that's exactly what I expected you'd write.
And no. becoming president is not meaningful at all.
Plenty of scoundrels have become president.
Its just another job that in and of itself accomplishes nothing.
What matters is what someone does with the opportunities afforded by their job.
The list of destructive things Bush did with his job is pretty long.
I don't think it's a matter of them 'exempting' it, they simply can't do anything about source code.
Bingo. Source code is protected by the first amendment because it is a means for people to express ideas.
Patents don't restrict speech, only use.
So executing it is a violation of the patent, but it is impractical to enforce on anybody except large public, usually commercial, users.
Why are you lying?
FFMPeg is GPL
x264 is also GPL
Do I need to go on and list a few more, or is two enough to snub your ignorance?
He's not lying, he's just over-simplfying.
So far, software patents have not been legally applied to source code because source code has been clearly defined as "speech" as it is a means for people to express ideas.
So it is legal to write and distribute source code.
But, in most countries with software patents, it is illegal to actually use a binary built from that source code.
Its just the compiling it yourself or downloading it from a country without software patents makes it pretty much impossible to get caught.
You don't have the right to use a technology developed by someone else (e.g. H.264) without paying. It's nice if you have such an option and I understand why you would prefer it, but there is no inherent right to it.
Actually there is an inherent right to use a technology developed by someone else - absent any other factors, if you know the specifications there is nothing actively stopping you from using it. That's pretty much the definition of inherent. It's only through artificial constructs like software patents that people are denied the ability to exercise that inherent right in some societies.
You (me, everybody) don't deserve to get a video codec for free.
No, we do deserve to get a video codec for free.
What we don't deserve is to force someone else to make a video codec for free (or really for any amount of money that they are unwilling to accept in return).
The flipside is that if you design a codec and give it away you don't deserve to restrict how it is used.
But because of artificial constructs like software patents you do get to make such restrictions, in some societies.
Sounds to me that while talking, he can't hold a train of thought and plan ahead while talking, and when he slips, the scenario worsens. That's a brain tasking issue, not a proof of him being an idiot.
Its also kind of a disqualifier for being a modern politician since speaking well under stress is kind of a prerequisite. Before Bush there was Quayle. The closest thing the other guys have to that is Biden - but he isn't stupid in the same way, he just doesn't have a filter. He's still plenty coherent even at his worst, just kind of an ass.