sorry, no exaggeration at all - I had SP1 on an HP and the dumb thing did a bunch of updates to SP1, rebooted, updates because of the new updates, rebooted, "Hey how about some more updates", downloaded a bunch of updates, it then realized "Hey how about SP2", downloaded SP2, installed SP2, rebooted, "hey you've got SP2, how about some more updates and some newer applications," downloaded, installed, rebooted, "hey you've got some newer updates that allow you to get some even newer updates", downloaded, installed, rebooted, and one more update to finish it off and it was done - sorry you don't agree but I'm not exaggerating - I might be off in my estimation by 2-3 hrs but that's about it. Maybe it's an HP/MS thing but that's what it was.
Normally, I just download SP2, slipstream, and then run Autopatcher or slipstream the updates via Nlite but I wasn't going to take those types of chances with this HP machine - I figured, I'd let MS take a whack at it considering HP only provided SP1 updates.
Sorry you don't believe the time - but I learned long ago when working in the food services industry - no matter what you do, there will always be someone that isn't happy;-) - Yes, the connection is a slow one but not terribly slow - DSL 1Mbit I believe.
In all seriousness, isn't it _about time_ that we get a SP3 release.
I had to perform an reinstall for a friend's HP and it took about 24 hrs straight of downloading, installing, rebooting...rinse and repeat. No exaggeration at all - 24-stinkin- hours to go from SP1 to SP2 then to get all the updates. It's soooo sad...
I also updated her linux distro - 2.5 hrs to perform the install, connect to synaptic, and get all the updates and customize the experience.
A few more reinstalls of XP and I just might REFUSE to mess with MS OSes. I'm not asking for much - How about an SP3 already?????
Verizon will start the same scam that they've done with the cell-phone market. My original cell-phone plan for emergency calls only was $19.99/mo. - try to find that rate today, you can't. Now I HAVE to get a $34.99 plan BUT it has a ton of features that I don't need. Be prepared to pay $40/mo. (most basic service) for broadband for a ton of features that you don't use.
Other than that? Why would I spend 30 minutes cutting the old line, getting dirty gathering it up and then finding a place to dispose of it when I'm all done? I'm not going to do extra work for no reason. Particularly if there's good reason not to do that work.
What's the value of copper per pound these days????
I knew a girl that used to polish jewelry. At the end of the year, she managed to make a few hundred just from cleaning the polishing brush each day...
Apparently one of the physicists has just purchased a DVD of Andromeda and watched the first few episodes. It burns me up that sci-fi writers are so darned smart!
Their JOB is to maximize profits for their shareholders. Please read the company's 10K. A corporation's primary mission is to provide profits for their shareholders - Business 101.
That was something my father always talked about when he came to this country and noticed the lack of cooperation amongst individuals. I guess in "the old country" people used to get together and complain. It happened once here, I think it was called the labor movement. Despite what the unions are portrayed as today, right or wrong, it was a good thing at the time.
These days, it's the same thing, people just don't come together and protest _anything_ - it's a feeling of being powerless. I don't know where it comes from but it is weird.
My father used to joke that the ruination of America will be the same thing that made it great - the forgetting of the "old ways." I now get the joke even though I didn't at the time. Sure people had it worse at the time and so they wanted to throw the yoke off of their shoulders (get rid of the old ways) and start with a new gov't but as I see it, we've forgotten how to band together and flex our collective muscle (getting rid of the old ways).
some programs really do require a way to edit the registry, for example, and I am considering offering some sort of tracked way to make registry changes so they can be rolled back on uninstallation of the program.
You know, the way that windows-install/removal programs _should_ work.
It's funny that I was thinking of this just the other day. I'm always amazed at the foresight of our forefathers. They chose specifically to give us the right to bear "arms" and not specifically "guns", "rifles", "pistols", "muskets", etc.
It left me asking, why not? In short, I believe that they foresaw arms escalation and that the people should have the right to escalate "arms" also. At that time, a pistol or musket sufficed in leveling the playing field. I believe that they knew this would escalate the arms race.
IMHO, our forefathers wanted the citizenship to be just as well armed as the military - just in case, the military (gov't) wanted to suppress the people again.
We have now reached a time where our right to bear arms no longer matters. Go ahead and try to purchase anything that would compete with the gov'ts arsenal of weapons. Sure, M16s can be purchased and modified but that's just about it. Nobody would stand a chance against a tank rolling down their street.
I've heard it before and there is truth to it... The US is becoming more like our European counterparts day after day.
I would LOVE to enter the way-back machine to hear what our forefathers think of the current state of affairs. How could such a small window of time create so many geniuses?
So, all this carbon gets yanked out of the atmosphere and is at some storage site that nobody wants to deal with but we have this need for carbon to make nanotubes (like the internet but much smaller). We take what was in the atmosphere and stick it into everyday appliances to eventually fill the landfills with this stuff.
You see, it's a free resource used to build materials.
Let's just be fair - If I make a profit on Ebay and that is going to be taxed then I should be able to show that the costs of Ebay, Paypal, my camera, my time (as a paid consultant), etc nullify any such profit. This is crap and I lose money on just about everything I sell on Ebay if I'm to account for anything other than how much I paid and how much I sold it for.
Here's a monkey-wrench - WHAT ABOUT REBATES?! I can show the IRS that I paid $100 for an item and sold it for $50 but still made a profit after a $70 rebate. So is it a $50 loss or a $20 profit?
If you have a "business" that loses money too often, the IRS will start to get suspicious and they will try to declare the business as a hobby. The exact rules are unclear, but you need to be able to show the IRS that you really are trying to make a profit, are dependent on that income, etc. This is EXACTLY what is wrong with our system. If you make money then you are a business or hobby and get taxed but if you lose money then it's a different game. You can't be a business and STILL have to pay taxes as they want to tax anything over $600.
Let's just be fair - If I make a profit on Ebay and that is going to be taxed then I should be able to show that the costs of Ebay, Paypal, my camera, my time (as a paid consultant), etc nullify any such profit. This is crap and I lose money on just about everything I sell on Ebay if I'm to account for anything other than how much I paid and how much I sold it for.
Here's a monkey-wrench - WHAT ABOUT REBATES?! I can show the IRS that I paid $100 for an item and sold it for $50 but still made a profit after a $70 rebate. So is it a $50 loss or a $20 profit?
I'm the kind of manager who thinks that if some wet behind the ears intern thinks he has read something useful in a textbook somewhere, he should speak up and if its not relevant I'll thank him and tell him so. A lot of Indian guys working for me weren't comfortable with this at first, until they found out that I didn't try to pin blame for mistakes to them. A few never adjusted, and were always insecure and unhappy until I learned how to act like an old fashioned boss.
You mean there IS a manager like that? I've found that open-mindedness is humility is deemed a weakness when I firmly believe it is a sign of strength and wisdom but heck, I'm the OTHER one. So now there are 2 of us. Can I come work for you?
I just want to know when upper level management is going to be outsourced. Who better to know the new frontiers than people from those areas? Let's get rid of our $10 million/year CEOs w/private jets and hire a well-educated and knowledgeable Indian for $200k.
personally, I welcome this change - less money going to gov't and then using that money to give charitably.
They were also the first to step up and do something about the prescription drug program.
We all love to hate someone but let's not throw out the good and bad together.
I realize that everyone likes to slam walmart but here's the deal,
I tried raising some money for our local school for a new project that we were rolling out to inspire students about math and science and THE ONLY company that gave money was Walmart - no Lowes, no HomeDepot, no Menards, no Ace Hardware, no Von Tobels, etc - ONLY Walmart.
Smack them around if you will but they were the only ones that opened their wallets to us. I'll shop there guilt-free because of this.
Pre 9/11 - evidence indicated that if you listened to a terrorist you would get out with your life.
Post 9/11 - nobody believes that anymore and I can't imagine a passenger being cowed by a terrorist anymore. Not when there are still carts, metal pans, forks, knives, hot coffee, hot water, etc that can be used as weapons by a very large number of passengers that would rather go out fighting than like those unsuspecting 9/11 passengers.
Even a whole slew of laptop batteries being flung at the terrorists should distract them enough to get to them;-) Never mind laptops, backpacks, hand bags, etc.
I hope we'll never find out whether this happens but I have to wonder if there is anyone around other than Boeing (trying to get more funding) and our gov't (trying to give Boeing more funding) that believes that the pre-9/11 mentality is still around.
Am I the only one around here who actually likes the ribbon interface?
Nope, it looks pretty nice to me also but it seems to run a little slow on a new system.
First of all, I am a student in Australia, and right now I am downloading Office 2007 Ul
Can't argue there either -$75 for a piece of software that you use often seems worth it for 3-4 yrs of use
I have used every version of Office since Office 97, and I have also used every version of OOo since it was Staroffice 5.x. Even after all these years, I always found myself looking for a specific option, and jumping from menu to the other menu. Let's face it, there is absolutely no logic why many of these items are where they are. It's just that we have become so accustomed with the interface that we have memorised where they are, and hence are able to use the product. Have you ever looked at a person who has never used any office product, trying to make sense out of Office? I have (my mother), and let me tell you that it is hugely frustrating, to say the least.
Same here - used StarDivisions version of StarOffice and Office from before '97. I can't disagree with anything said here. I'd like to add that the old 5.2 worked faster as an integrated desktop app than it does in parts and copying/pasting was seamless - they've regressed in terms of speed and package size.
Ribbons just make the whole problem disappear. The whole functionality is now right in your face, and they have designed it in a way which takes less screen real space than all those menus and toolbars did. The whole interface is now more intuitive, and everything seems in its place. Now, I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy here, but realistically, ribbons are a UI improvement over menus and toolbars. It took me perhaps 2-3 days to get accustomed to it, but after that I never looked back.
Yup, I haven't goofed with it much but it just seems more intuitive and for the FIRST time, I've seen MS do something innovative without directly ripping off someone else - or _have_ they?
I agree that for 90% of the time, OOo is fine feature-wise, and does the job. However in the Real World (TM), people ask that you hand in your CV in "word format", and they don't even accept PDFs (don't ask me why). I am afraid I simply can't trust OOo's "save as MS Word" feature, for files which are critical to me. Not to mention that there are those of us who really need the extra functionality MS Office provides. It's not just Office's own functionality either, there are various 3rd party products that only integrate with MS Office, e.g., here in the University of Melbourne, we use a program called End Note X to manage our bibliographies and references when writing articles. Guess what word processing program it integrated with? (hint: not OOo). Now I myself probably won't trust Word (or any WYSIWYG program for that matter) for writing 100+ pages (I used LaTex for writing my Master's thesis), but LaTex is simply not an option for 99% of the population who have been brought up in a WYSIWYG world.
THis is where we start to disagree. As you should know, the default format for Office 2007 is their own version of XML so this means that everyone will be switching formats one way or another and they will be forced to make it openly available so format issues _should_ disappear.
We also use Endnote here at Purdue but I haven't messed with it at all because OpenOffice has the Bibliography database for free and it works just fine for me - you should try it. I prefer OO because it is right in the middle of Word and LaTeX for me - type in equations, bibliography database, AND WYSIWYG. I haven't tried writing my thesis on it but will very shortly. I tried with MS Word XP and vowed NEVER to use that Steaming Pile Of Dung again - I wasted more time on crashes than it was worth. I haven't invested the time to use LaT
Being knowledgeable and being a good teacher are 2 completely different things. How do I know? Glad you asked,
I'm a PhD student in Mech. Engineering at a top 10 school working through the NSF GK-12 Fellowship program and putting in 30hrs/week at a local school. Believe me when I tell you that being smart and being a good teacher at that level are 2 completely different things and I've been decorated and distinguished as a TA from our undergrads and the department. Middle/High School is a different ball game ENTIRELY.
I've learned to keep my mouth shut when it comes to criticizing our educational system - my advise, donate your time to a local school and you'll quickly learn why you love your job so much. It's dang hard work with very little reward other than the smiles on their faces.
This was after a 3 week (50hr/week) summer intensive course on education - there are education theories out there that make a lot of sense and work. You wouldn't know this because the vast majority of my teachers haven't followed them. There is more to being a good educator then being smart in your field - it requires being knowledgeable in the theories of education also.
That said, I find that the teachers at my school to be extremely petty (maybe it's a catfighting thing) but the politics are horrible and the acknowledgements are nonexistent.
Hey gang,
using PCLinuxOS via Synaptic pretty much gets rid of the dependency hell - synaptic takes care of the dependency issues when installing. Uninstalling is another issue - just like Windows programs typically do, uninstalling doesn't leave you with the same footprint that was there before installing (i.e. some of the packages stay on the system that aren't needed).
Anyhow, I've long forgotten about the RPM dependency hell and leave it to synaptic to figure it out and Redhat would be wise to follow the same format and improve synaptic for install/uninstall functionality while improving RPM.
What will it take to get us all upset about this - scratch that, everybody IS upset about this. What will it take for us to band together and DO something about this? An online petition that everyone signs and an automated email heads off to that persons political representative? Surely, the representatives would be flooded and HAVE to do something.
For everything throughout the pregnancy they paid out over $60k
EXACTLY!!
My wife's pregnancy went according to the book and the delivery went the same way and it was $25k. I just want to grab these guys by the collar and shake them back into reality. People cannot afford these costs and they shouldn't cost anything near these rates to deliver a baby. We had monthly visits until about a month before and then weekly, we had 1 day of labor, and 2 nights in the hospital with no complications. I think we paid something near $4k/day in the hospital and I got a crappy chair to sleep in - someone needs to be slapped silly for these prices.
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sorry, no exaggeration at all - I had SP1 on an HP and the dumb thing did a bunch of updates to SP1, rebooted, updates because of the new updates, rebooted, "Hey how about some more updates", downloaded a bunch of updates, it then realized "Hey how about SP2", downloaded SP2, installed SP2, rebooted, "hey you've got SP2, how about some more updates and some newer applications," downloaded, installed, rebooted, "hey you've got some newer updates that allow you to get some even newer updates", downloaded, installed, rebooted, and one more update to finish it off and it was done - sorry you don't agree but I'm not exaggerating - I might be off in my estimation by 2-3 hrs but that's about it. Maybe it's an HP/MS thing but that's what it was.
;-) - Yes, the connection is a slow one but not terribly slow - DSL 1Mbit I believe.
Normally, I just download SP2, slipstream, and then run Autopatcher or slipstream the updates via Nlite but I wasn't going to take those types of chances with this HP machine - I figured, I'd let MS take a whack at it considering HP only provided SP1 updates.
Sorry you don't believe the time - but I learned long ago when working in the food services industry - no matter what you do, there will always be someone that isn't happy
... j/k - we know the answer to that.
In all seriousness, isn't it _about time_ that we get a SP3 release.
I had to perform an reinstall for a friend's HP and it took about 24 hrs straight of downloading, installing, rebooting...rinse and repeat. No exaggeration at all - 24-stinkin- hours to go from SP1 to SP2 then to get all the updates. It's soooo sad...
I also updated her linux distro - 2.5 hrs to perform the install, connect to synaptic, and get all the updates and customize the experience.
A few more reinstalls of XP and I just might REFUSE to mess with MS OSes. I'm not asking for much - How about an SP3 already?????
Mark my words...
Verizon will start the same scam that they've done with the cell-phone market. My original cell-phone plan for emergency calls only was $19.99/mo. - try to find that rate today, you can't. Now I HAVE to get a $34.99 plan BUT it has a ton of features that I don't need. Be prepared to pay $40/mo. (most basic service) for broadband for a ton of features that you don't use.
What's the value of copper per pound these days????
I knew a girl that used to polish jewelry. At the end of the year, she managed to make a few hundred just from cleaning the polishing brush each day...
by the way, thanks NH! ;-)
Made many a college weekend for us Massholes!
Apparently one of the physicists has just purchased a DVD of Andromeda and watched the first few episodes. It burns me up that sci-fi writers are so darned smart!
UMMMM..... NO!
Their JOB is to maximize profits for their shareholders. Please read the company's 10K. A corporation's primary mission is to provide profits for their shareholders - Business 101.
That was something my father always talked about when he came to this country and noticed the lack of cooperation amongst individuals. I guess in "the old country" people used to get together and complain. It happened once here, I think it was called the labor movement. Despite what the unions are portrayed as today, right or wrong, it was a good thing at the time.
These days, it's the same thing, people just don't come together and protest _anything_ - it's a feeling of being powerless. I don't know where it comes from but it is weird.
My father used to joke that the ruination of America will be the same thing that made it great - the forgetting of the "old ways." I now get the joke even though I didn't at the time. Sure people had it worse at the time and so they wanted to throw the yoke off of their shoulders (get rid of the old ways) and start with a new gov't but as I see it, we've forgotten how to band together and flex our collective muscle (getting rid of the old ways).
You know, the way that windows-install/removal programs _should_ work.
It's funny that I was thinking of this just the other day. I'm always amazed at the foresight of our forefathers. They chose specifically to give us the right to bear "arms" and not specifically "guns", "rifles", "pistols", "muskets", etc.
It left me asking, why not? In short, I believe that they foresaw arms escalation and that the people should have the right to escalate "arms" also. At that time, a pistol or musket sufficed in leveling the playing field. I believe that they knew this would escalate the arms race.
IMHO, our forefathers wanted the citizenship to be just as well armed as the military - just in case, the military (gov't) wanted to suppress the people again.
We have now reached a time where our right to bear arms no longer matters. Go ahead and try to purchase anything that would compete with the gov'ts arsenal of weapons. Sure, M16s can be purchased and modified but that's just about it. Nobody would stand a chance against a tank rolling down their street.
I've heard it before and there is truth to it... The US is becoming more like our European counterparts day after day.
I would LOVE to enter the way-back machine to hear what our forefathers think of the current state of affairs. How could such a small window of time create so many geniuses?
So, all this carbon gets yanked out of the atmosphere and is at some storage site that nobody wants to deal with but we have this need for carbon to make nanotubes (like the internet but much smaller). We take what was in the atmosphere and stick it into everyday appliances to eventually fill the landfills with this stuff.
You see, it's a free resource used to build materials.
Plausible, sort of, maybe
sounds like someone is a little too close to the IRS
Just to be clear, that's 2% of my TOTAL income... not 2% of the total income from Ebay? If it is the former then the IRS needs to get out on ebay and buy these http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-80S-MULTICOLORED-SKI-M ASK-ROBBER-MASK_W0QQitemZ320103166688QQihZ011QQcat egoryZ28022QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Let's just be fair - If I make a profit on Ebay and that is going to be taxed then I should be able to show that the costs of Ebay, Paypal, my camera, my time (as a paid consultant), etc nullify any such profit. This is crap and I lose money on just about everything I sell on Ebay if I'm to account for anything other than how much I paid and how much I sold it for. Here's a monkey-wrench - WHAT ABOUT REBATES?! I can show the IRS that I paid $100 for an item and sold it for $50 but still made a profit after a $70 rebate. So is it a $50 loss or a $20 profit?
I just want to know when upper level management is going to be outsourced. Who better to know the new frontiers than people from those areas? Let's get rid of our $10 million/year CEOs w/private jets and hire a well-educated and knowledgeable Indian for $200k.
;-)
THAT would make the shareholders happy
personally, I welcome this change - less money going to gov't and then using that money to give charitably. They were also the first to step up and do something about the prescription drug program. We all love to hate someone but let's not throw out the good and bad together.
I realize that everyone likes to slam walmart but here's the deal,
I tried raising some money for our local school for a new project that we were rolling out to inspire students about math and science and THE ONLY company that gave money was Walmart - no Lowes, no HomeDepot, no Menards, no Ace Hardware, no Von Tobels, etc - ONLY Walmart.
Smack them around if you will but they were the only ones that opened their wallets to us. I'll shop there guilt-free because of this.
Pre 9/11 - evidence indicated that if you listened to a terrorist you would get out with your life.
;-)
Post 9/11 - nobody believes that anymore and I can't imagine a passenger being cowed by a terrorist anymore. Not when there are still carts, metal pans, forks, knives, hot coffee, hot water, etc that can be used as weapons by a very large number of passengers that would rather go out fighting than like those unsuspecting 9/11 passengers.
Even a whole slew of laptop batteries being flung at the terrorists should distract them enough to get to them
Never mind laptops, backpacks, hand bags, etc.
I hope we'll never find out whether this happens but I have to wonder if there is anyone around other than Boeing (trying to get more funding) and our gov't (trying to give Boeing more funding) that believes that the pre-9/11 mentality is still around.
Nope, it looks pretty nice to me also but it seems to run a little slow on a new system.
Same here - used StarDivisions version of StarOffice and Office from before '97. I can't disagree with anything said here. I'd like to add that the old 5.2 worked faster as an integrated desktop app than it does in parts and copying/pasting was seamless - they've regressed in terms of speed and package size.
Yup, I haven't goofed with it much but it just seems more intuitive and for the FIRST time, I've seen MS do something innovative without directly ripping off someone else - or _have_ they?
THis is where we start to disagree. As you should know, the default format for Office 2007 is their own version of XML so this means that everyone will be switching formats one way or another and they will be forced to make it openly available so format issues _should_ disappear.
We also use Endnote here at Purdue but I haven't messed with it at all because OpenOffice has the Bibliography database for free and it works just fine for me - you should try it. I prefer OO because it is right in the middle of Word and LaTeX for me - type in equations, bibliography database, AND WYSIWYG. I haven't tried writing my thesis on it but will very shortly. I tried with MS Word XP and vowed NEVER to use that Steaming Pile Of Dung again - I wasted more time on crashes than it was worth. I haven't invested the time to use LaT
This is where the problem lies...
;-)
Being knowledgeable and being a good teacher are 2 completely different things. How do I know?
Glad you asked,
I'm a PhD student in Mech. Engineering at a top 10 school working through the NSF GK-12 Fellowship program and putting in 30hrs/week at a local school. Believe me when I tell you that being smart and being a good teacher at that level are 2 completely different things and I've been decorated and distinguished as a TA from our undergrads and the department. Middle/High School is a different ball game ENTIRELY.
I've learned to keep my mouth shut when it comes to criticizing our educational system - my advise, donate your time to a local school and you'll quickly learn why you love your job so much. It's dang hard work with very little reward other than the smiles on their faces.
This was after a 3 week (50hr/week) summer intensive course on education - there are education theories out there that make a lot of sense and work. You wouldn't know this because the vast majority of my teachers haven't followed them. There is more to being a good educator then being smart in your field - it requires being knowledgeable in the theories of education also.
That said, I find that the teachers at my school to be extremely petty (maybe it's a catfighting thing) but the politics are horrible and the acknowledgements are nonexistent.
What have I learned? I love my field
Hey gang, using PCLinuxOS via Synaptic pretty much gets rid of the dependency hell - synaptic takes care of the dependency issues when installing. Uninstalling is another issue - just like Windows programs typically do, uninstalling doesn't leave you with the same footprint that was there before installing (i.e. some of the packages stay on the system that aren't needed). Anyhow, I've long forgotten about the RPM dependency hell and leave it to synaptic to figure it out and Redhat would be wise to follow the same format and improve synaptic for install/uninstall functionality while improving RPM.
It's sad, isn't it?
What will it take to get us all upset about this - scratch that, everybody IS upset about this. What will it take for us to band together and DO something about this? An online petition that everyone signs and an automated email heads off to that persons political representative? Surely, the representatives would be flooded and HAVE to do something.
EXACTLY!!
My wife's pregnancy went according to the book and the delivery went the same way and it was $25k. I just want to grab these guys by the collar and shake them back into reality. People cannot afford these costs and they shouldn't cost anything near these rates to deliver a baby. We had monthly visits until about a month before and then weekly, we had 1 day of labor, and 2 nights in the hospital with no complications. I think we paid something near $4k/day in the hospital and I got a crappy chair to sleep in - someone needs to be slapped silly for these prices.