People who play WOW couldn't riot. They'd get winded by the time they got to the end of their driveways, give up, and order in some pizza and watch some Netflix.
The Russians and Chinese haven't killed anywhere near the number of people that the US has in recent history, have they? I'm counting a few hundred thousand from the various Middle East "wars", a few million in Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos, and a few hundred thousand in Korea. I know the Russians and Chinese have done plenty or targeted killings, but I didn't think their numbers were anywhere close to ours...
No, I'm not, but I agree with what I'm guessing is the general point of the book, thus I would never suggest that somebody buy something at Amazon. I've seen how they do business from the seller's end, and I wouldn't do business with them as a consumer.
I agree 100%. But I think there's a world of difference between cameras in Best Buy and cameras on street corners. I can choose what businesses I go into (I generally choose not to), but I shouldn't have to choose which public street I walk down.
If there's one area in which the US has maintained it's superiority in, it's killing people. There's no question about it. The US still kills people better than any other country on the planet. Sure, we can't educate, feed, house, or otherwise care for our own people, or even protect them from inevitable natural disasters, but GODDAMN we can kill some foreigners!!!
Your post was about abusive companies, yet you post a link to one of the most egregious companies in order to buy the book. That's pretty absurd, unless the conclusion that this book reaches is, "Don't worry about it, Amazon and their friends aren't doing anything unseemly."
The difference is that a human worker can't follow everyone around 24/7 and watch their every move like cameras can.
Are you suggesting that there are people who live in Best Buy stores? I have not heard of this. I thought this article was talking about tracking customers who voluntarily go into a private business.
Law enforcement and politics don't enter into it. It's a private business, and people voluntarily walk into it to spend money. The only thing relevant to "society" is how utterly stupid and short sighted most people are to still shop at these kinds of places.
At the end of the day does this yield better results than counting sales at the close of business?
Yes.
More complicated results, perhaps, but after analyzing traffic patterns all day long studying dwell time at displays, does it really yield anything useful that the store owner can actually act upon, re-arranging the displays, etc?
Yes.
Won't wholesalers with clout demand the data and push hard for the best locations or shelving decisions?
No.
If you have data, you are going to be forced to share it sooner or later, and when everyone is rushing past the Laptop counters to get to the TV display area, is there anything short of re-arranging the store you can do about it?
Forced by who? And yes, re-arranging the store is the point of this system.
Won't Dell, HP, and Apple, insist on being on the high traffic routes?
The wholesalers don't own retail stores. The retailer does.
Didn't the store owner just lose control?
No.
And at the end of the day, is it different in any way from just tallying sales ?
Yes.
Am I the only one that finds it funny that a person posting info about a book describing how companies collect personal information and influence people posted a link to Amazon of all places....? That's like going to Wal-Mart to buy a copy of "Nickel and Dimed".
Have you ever considered taking your business to a non-evil retailer? I know most/.'ers worship at the altar of the Big Box stores, but there *are* still some independent retailers left that don't do this kind of thing.
WP7 is intimately tied in with Exchange Server out of the box. I'm not aware of any "consumers" who use Exchange. You don't know what you're talking about, kid. Also, "cool" doesn't have anything to do with cell phones.
Yeah just look at Wal-Mart. They're doing horrible.
There's exactly *one* Wal-Mart. The "don't compete on price" is the correct answer for all retailers but one.
But then again, Wal-Mart *is* beatable. Once they don't have the lowest price, they're done. Stick a fork in them. Relatively small profit margins, and no competitive advantage.
I really don't care. I've only been in a Target store once. I really doubt that Target wants the selfish, disloyal, I'll-sell-my-mother-for-a-dollar consumers. Those people have the Internet and Wal-Mart, and Target clearly doesn't want them. It's a smart move, long term. Not competing solely on price has been Retail 101 for hundreds of years, and still holds true to this day.
No, Microsoft Exchange. That's why the Blackberries were so damn popular, and that's why Windows Phones exist. It's makes for a seamless connection between my phone and my Exchange servers. My contact list is my Exchange contact list. My email is my Exchange email (and a few more). My calendar is my Exchange Calendar. My to do list is my Exchange Task List. It's really quite cool.
Without a significant value add, there's no reason to even set foot in a store anymore.
No, not if all you're concerned about is your own own wallet right this second. If you were concerned at all about your community, your neighbors, local jobs, taxes, etc., you'd find plenty of reason to shop locally. But hey, selfish and short sighted is the American Way!
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That's much, much better than mine.
People who play WOW couldn't riot. They'd get winded by the time they got to the end of their driveways, give up, and order in some pizza and watch some Netflix.
The Russians and Chinese haven't killed anywhere near the number of people that the US has in recent history, have they? I'm counting a few hundred thousand from the various Middle East "wars", a few million in Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos, and a few hundred thousand in Korea. I know the Russians and Chinese have done plenty or targeted killings, but I didn't think their numbers were anywhere close to ours...
No, I'm not, but I agree with what I'm guessing is the general point of the book, thus I would never suggest that somebody buy something at Amazon. I've seen how they do business from the seller's end, and I wouldn't do business with them as a consumer.
I agree 100%. But I think there's a world of difference between cameras in Best Buy and cameras on street corners. I can choose what businesses I go into (I generally choose not to), but I shouldn't have to choose which public street I walk down.
Pretty sure the Germans, Russians, and Chinese still have us beat, numbers-wise.
Yes, over time, you're right. I was thinking more in terms of within the past 50 years or so.
If there's one area in which the US has maintained it's superiority in, it's killing people. There's no question about it. The US still kills people better than any other country on the planet. Sure, we can't educate, feed, house, or otherwise care for our own people, or even protect them from inevitable natural disasters, but GODDAMN we can kill some foreigners!!!
No, they just want more money.
Your post was about abusive companies, yet you post a link to one of the most egregious companies in order to buy the book. That's pretty absurd, unless the conclusion that this book reaches is, "Don't worry about it, Amazon and their friends aren't doing anything unseemly."
The difference is that a human worker can't follow everyone around 24/7 and watch their every move like cameras can.
Are you suggesting that there are people who live in Best Buy stores? I have not heard of this. I thought this article was talking about tracking customers who voluntarily go into a private business.
Law enforcement and politics don't enter into it. It's a private business, and people voluntarily walk into it to spend money. The only thing relevant to "society" is how utterly stupid and short sighted most people are to still shop at these kinds of places.
At the end of the day does this yield better results than counting sales at the close of business?
Yes.
More complicated results, perhaps, but after analyzing traffic patterns all day long studying dwell time at displays, does it really yield anything useful that the store owner can actually act upon, re-arranging the displays, etc?
Yes.
Won't wholesalers with clout demand the data and push hard for the best locations or shelving decisions?
No.
If you have data, you are going to be forced to share it sooner or later, and when everyone is rushing past the Laptop counters to get to the TV display area, is there anything short of re-arranging the store you can do about it?
Forced by who? And yes, re-arranging the store is the point of this system.
Won't Dell, HP, and Apple, insist on being on the high traffic routes?
The wholesalers don't own retail stores. The retailer does.
Didn't the store owner just lose control?
No.
And at the end of the day, is it different in any way from just tallying sales ?
Yes.
Am I the only one that finds it funny that a person posting info about a book describing how companies collect personal information and influence people posted a link to Amazon of all places....? That's like going to Wal-Mart to buy a copy of "Nickel and Dimed".
Have you ever considered taking your business to a non-evil retailer? I know most /.'ers worship at the altar of the Big Box stores, but there *are* still some independent retailers left that don't do this kind of thing.
and they have no power anymore in the western (or eastern!) countries.
Oh, cry my a river. You don't want to be on camera in a business? Don't shop at that business! How hard is that?
WP7 is intimately tied in with Exchange Server out of the box. I'm not aware of any "consumers" who use Exchange. You don't know what you're talking about, kid. Also, "cool" doesn't have anything to do with cell phones.
And, why do we need $244MM aircraft, exactly...?
What you're saying doesn't make any sense. It's office communications. If we don't like the platform, we switch. There's no "lock-in".
Yeah just look at Wal-Mart. They're doing horrible.
There's exactly *one* Wal-Mart. The "don't compete on price" is the correct answer for all retailers but one.
But then again, Wal-Mart *is* beatable. Once they don't have the lowest price, they're done. Stick a fork in them. Relatively small profit margins, and no competitive advantage.
I really don't care. I've only been in a Target store once. I really doubt that Target wants the selfish, disloyal, I'll-sell-my-mother-for-a-dollar consumers. Those people have the Internet and Wal-Mart, and Target clearly doesn't want them. It's a smart move, long term. Not competing solely on price has been Retail 101 for hundreds of years, and still holds true to this day.
No, not really. Successful retailers don't ever compete solely on price. That's a dead end.
No, Microsoft Exchange. That's why the Blackberries were so damn popular, and that's why Windows Phones exist. It's makes for a seamless connection between my phone and my Exchange servers. My contact list is my Exchange contact list. My email is my Exchange email (and a few more). My calendar is my Exchange Calendar. My to do list is my Exchange Task List. It's really quite cool.
Somebody's been reading Ayn Rand...
I don't know what's going to happen, but something will. There's too much money involved, private and public, to continue to ignore it much longer.
Without a significant value add, there's no reason to even set foot in a store anymore.
No, not if all you're concerned about is your own own wallet right this second. If you were concerned at all about your community, your neighbors, local jobs, taxes, etc., you'd find plenty of reason to shop locally. But hey, selfish and short sighted is the American Way!