. That kind of behavious won't make sales, and is therefore extreamly odd for a buisness. Answer: "Unknown" outside forces are holding them back.
Wrong. It would be odd for a business not to want to make a PROFIT, not SALES. They wouldn't make a PROFIT selling these machines to people who have never seen Linux before. I (or any other business owner) could drop sales price below cost, and sales of any product would go through the roof. However, I'd also be bankrupt pretty quickly. Those "unknown outside forces" as you call it is simply PROFIT.
It's very simple. Support will be an absolute nightmare. The few hundred bucks per machine that they're charging over Windows doesn't come close to paying the bill of the support that the "average" computer users would need if they actually bought these things. They want to make sure that people who buy them REALLY want them and know how to use them, already.
It would probably be more convincing if it wasn't on a site called "madpenguin", which has all of the credibility of my little sister's blog.
Also, they went a bit overboard on the FUD, too: "In the eleven years we've been doing open source, we have not, in my view, had one failure in applying open source solutions." Wow. These guys must be the best IT staff on the planet, if they haven't (in his view), "had a single failure in (applying) open source solutions".
Also, you're not going to find any intelligent IT person slamming Microsoft, specifically. The OS isn't important, anymore. Nobody who has two brain cells gives a shit about the OS. That's piddly stuff for large companies. It'd be more believable if he was talking about his database or CRM applications.
And, the piece-de-resistance: "It's been difficult to move off of Windows and Oracle and move onto Linux, but most applications have been migrated over to Linux-Apache-MySQL and PHP (LAMP)." This actually made me laugh out loud... replacing Oracle with MySQL.
C'mon guys, if you're going to go through all of the trouble to manufacture FUD, at least work on the story a bit more. You guys hit all of the major FUD sensors!
The question was "do you want a company to control you?
No, of course not. Luckily, I'm not controlled by computers (or automobiles). I still don't understand what you are getting at. Are YOU controlled by computers?
And about having a company controlling the computers and software I tell people "just imagine having Ford controlling the gas pumps and designing the nozzles to fit only Ford cars" or "Ford owning most of the parking spaces and letting only people that drive Ford to use them" that's usually enough to give an idea even to most illiterate computer user what I am talking about.
If somebody told me that, I'd buy a Ford. I don't have time to be dicking around with special gas pumps. It may be a problem, but it's not mine to solve. I've got bills to pay.
I would much rather leave my mom with a post-it that says "type emerge nvidia-kernel" and when that's done, type "eselect opengl set nvidia" than try to walk here through picking the right drivers off the nvidia website. Hell, that's without even trying to walk her through finding the damn download once she's snagged it.
How do I figure out either of those 2 strings that you mentioned? Are they written on the screen at startup? Are they on the instructions in the box? does somebody call me on the telephone and tell me what to type? Do I get 1,000,000 monkeys, and let them all bang away on keyboards for 1,000,000 years until they get the right magical combination of "eselect opengl set nvidia"? I can very easily "google" the name of the video cards (I did), and follow the links for the driver, if I need to install it in any flavor of Windows.
2. It's free and doesn't get spyware or viruses. Those are two killer features. Especially for people who aren't good at maintaining their machines.
"Free" is not a killer feature when the alternative costs $200. I'd pay $500 per copy of Windows 2000/XP. And spyware and viruses... nope, never had a single one.
What's the point, exactly? Why would you want to make a very valuable assett editable by anybody? This seems like a HUGE step backwards from having some kind of source control.
At the risk of being labeled a troll, I have to suggest that perhaps this is because they don't actually change their OS. They just add crappy layer upon crappy layer so that the old stuff runs because every old Microsoft OS is still buried in there somewhere.
I'm not going to call you a troll, but I will call you wrong. The Win 95/98/ME platform has a totally different architecture than the Win NT/2000/XP platform. And you know what? Most (not all) programs work fine on either one. Compare that to Apple. Can you run a 10 year old application on OSX? Can you run an OSX app on a 10 year old Mac? Nope, and nope.
While I'd really like to believe otherwise, I cannot help but think that this will turn into a nightmare for application support.
Why would you think that? Microsoft has the BEST support for multiple OS and backwards compatibility that I've ever seen in the entire software industry. The vast majority of current software designed for Win32 runs on any of their platforms from the past 10 years. Can you think of any vendor that has better cross-OS and backwards compatibility support? I certainly can't.
You're absolutely right. I propose that sysadmins in the modern world start blackholing Muslim nations. It's clear that as a people, they have no respect for basic human rights or any semblance of free speech. Why should the modern world have to tiptoe around these assholes? I know that I'm certainly not. I'll be spending some time blackholing them from our tiny, insignificant router.
Hmmm, let's consider that for a sec. I just built a machine with 3 GHz P4, 1 GB RAM, 160 GB Hard Drive, and an ATI Radeon x800 (256 MB), with mouse, keyboard, and 17" monitor for about $800. Its not sate of the art, but its pretty damn close, and besides, its upgradeable (unlike your PS3).
Time to assemble machine + time to install OS + time to try to get finnicky, bloated PC games working properly + administering security for said PC > $1000.
The Cell isn't hype at all. There's a recent article in Forbes that goes into details, and compares it to modern electronics, and it's not a gimmick. It already works in several other devices, and the performance is amazing. The XBox will look like it's one (or more) generations behind when the PS3 hits. The PS3 might be the next big step in gaming, as far as graphics goes. I'd probably pay upwards of $1000 for one when it comes out. That's still cheaper than a bleeding edge computer needed to play any of the ridiculously bloated PC games out there.
I know that this could never be measured in any kind of way, but I have to wonder... how many of these 2000 jobs lost are a result of open source competition? Are these jobs the direct result of Postgre SQL giving away their product? Is this the start of the decline of IT as we know it, because of Free software?
You're right... I couldn't believe all of the Apple drones that have already posted here at Slashdot saying that they're going to have to sell the one they just got, or buy the new one. Whatever they (Apple) are doing, it's working. These people (Apple drones) are completely, and totally brainwashed. I'm not aware of any company in business history, other than maybe Harley Davidson, that had such huge legions of dumb, keeping-up-with-the-joneses, materialist customers.
I think that Apple should up the release cycle to as fast as they possibly can. That makes the best financial sense, since these people will just keep buying, and buying, and buying, and buying....
Could we can it already? Or is there still some moron out there who believes that bullcrap?
Sorry for the language, people, but I feel insulted. Just how DUMB do they think I am?
Sorry to break it to you, but slightly more than 50% of the US population actually IS that dumb. They're the flag-waving, ribbon-wearing, hateful, ignorant religious, Bush supporters.
Most of that blame falls squarely on the shoulders of application developers that require their programs to be run as "admin". Similarly, app developers are also the ones who create "DLL hell" by making bad install packages.
Case in point... you link to your blog... I'm looking at it, and quite honestly, I can't figure out what in the hell is going on, or why I would ever want to go back to it. You've got tags, photos, other blogs, and links to articles about articles about blogs about articles about tags about RSS feeds about... who knows what? There's no content there. Links to lists of links... So, what's the point? That's what I'm trying to understand. Is it a big popularity contest to see who can earn more than a few pennies from Google Adsense? Is it just for pure vanity? An attempt to over organize a lot of nothing?
FYI: In the porn industry, this is called a "circle jerk", and it's designed to "jerk around" the surfer until they finally give in and decide to pay for content.
Has anybody invented a name yet, for the "web 2.0" types of people who are obsessed with every new silly fad, like blogs, flicker, delicious, myspace, etc.? There's a whole lot of those (you) people out there, and I just don't get it. Not only are there a lot of people into this stuff, but some are even militant about it, from what I can tell (ie: Don't make fun of blogging! It's better than journalism)
I've been online since the BBS days, and I've kept up with all of the new changes, ideas (hell, protocols, even), but this "social" stuff seems (to me) to be nothing more than personal narcicism, magnified millions of times over, combined with a desperate, almost pathteic need to connect with other personalities in order to fill a massive void in their own personal lives combined with a total lack of any kind of academic discipline (it seems that more than half of the people who write online are functionally illiterate). Is it just me? Am I the last one alive with his own brain after the Body Snatchers came through?
Anybody have any insight, or even a good suggested name for these people?
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. That kind of behavious won't make sales, and is therefore extreamly odd for a buisness. Answer: "Unknown" outside forces are holding them back.
Wrong. It would be odd for a business not to want to make a PROFIT, not SALES. They wouldn't make a PROFIT selling these machines to people who have never seen Linux before. I (or any other business owner) could drop sales price below cost, and sales of any product would go through the roof. However, I'd also be bankrupt pretty quickly. Those "unknown outside forces" as you call it is simply PROFIT.
Of course not. I'm talking about just supporting the OS, itself.
It's very simple. Support will be an absolute nightmare. The few hundred bucks per machine that they're charging over Windows doesn't come close to paying the bill of the support that the "average" computer users would need if they actually bought these things. They want to make sure that people who buy them REALLY want them and know how to use them, already.
It would probably be more convincing if it wasn't on a site called "madpenguin", which has all of the credibility of my little sister's blog.
Also, they went a bit overboard on the FUD, too: "In the eleven years we've been doing open source, we have not, in my view, had one failure in applying open source solutions." Wow. These guys must be the best IT staff on the planet, if they haven't (in his view), "had a single failure in (applying) open source solutions".
Also, you're not going to find any intelligent IT person slamming Microsoft, specifically. The OS isn't important, anymore. Nobody who has two brain cells gives a shit about the OS. That's piddly stuff for large companies. It'd be more believable if he was talking about his database or CRM applications.
And, the piece-de-resistance: "It's been difficult to move off of Windows and Oracle and move onto Linux, but most applications have been migrated over to Linux-Apache-MySQL and PHP (LAMP)." This actually made me laugh out loud... replacing Oracle with MySQL.
C'mon guys, if you're going to go through all of the trouble to manufacture FUD, at least work on the story a bit more. You guys hit all of the major FUD sensors!
The question was "do you want a company to control you?
No, of course not. Luckily, I'm not controlled by computers (or automobiles). I still don't understand what you are getting at. Are YOU controlled by computers?
And about having a company controlling the computers and software I tell people "just imagine having Ford controlling the gas pumps and designing the nozzles to fit only Ford cars" or "Ford owning most of the parking spaces and letting only people that drive Ford to use them" that's usually enough to give an idea even to most illiterate computer user what I am talking about.
If somebody told me that, I'd buy a Ford. I don't have time to be dicking around with special gas pumps. It may be a problem, but it's not mine to solve. I've got bills to pay.
And for a business, there are real benefits to migrating to Linux.
What's the benefit to me switching my business to Linux, exactly?
I would much rather leave my mom with a post-it that says "type emerge nvidia-kernel" and when that's done, type "eselect opengl set nvidia" than try to walk here through picking the right drivers off the nvidia website. Hell, that's without even trying to walk her through finding the damn download once she's snagged it.
How do I figure out either of those 2 strings that you mentioned? Are they written on the screen at startup? Are they on the instructions in the box? does somebody call me on the telephone and tell me what to type? Do I get 1,000,000 monkeys, and let them all bang away on keyboards for 1,000,000 years until they get the right magical combination of "eselect opengl set nvidia"? I can very easily "google" the name of the video cards (I did), and follow the links for the driver, if I need to install it in any flavor of Windows.
2. It's free and doesn't get spyware or viruses. Those are two killer features. Especially for people who aren't good at maintaining their machines.
"Free" is not a killer feature when the alternative costs $200. I'd pay $500 per copy of Windows 2000/XP. And spyware and viruses... nope, never had a single one.
What's the point, exactly? Why would you want to make a very valuable assett editable by anybody? This seems like a HUGE step backwards from having some kind of source control.
I'm sure that Samsung is really worried about the 10 or so Linux users that won't buy their product. [snicker]
At the risk of being labeled a troll, I have to suggest that perhaps this is because they don't actually change their OS. They just add crappy layer upon crappy layer so that the old stuff runs because every old Microsoft OS is still buried in there somewhere.
I'm not going to call you a troll, but I will call you wrong. The Win 95/98/ME platform has a totally different architecture than the Win NT/2000/XP platform. And you know what? Most (not all) programs work fine on either one. Compare that to Apple. Can you run a 10 year old application on OSX? Can you run an OSX app on a 10 year old Mac? Nope, and nope.
While I'd really like to believe otherwise, I cannot help but think that this will turn into a nightmare for application support.
Why would you think that? Microsoft has the BEST support for multiple OS and backwards compatibility that I've ever seen in the entire software industry. The vast majority of current software designed for Win32 runs on any of their platforms from the past 10 years. Can you think of any vendor that has better cross-OS and backwards compatibility support? I certainly can't.
You're absolutely right. I propose that sysadmins in the modern world start blackholing Muslim nations. It's clear that as a people, they have no respect for basic human rights or any semblance of free speech. Why should the modern world have to tiptoe around these assholes? I know that I'm certainly not. I'll be spending some time blackholing them from our tiny, insignificant router.
Hmmm, let's consider that for a sec. I just built a machine with 3 GHz P4, 1 GB RAM, 160 GB Hard Drive, and an ATI Radeon x800 (256 MB), with mouse, keyboard, and 17" monitor for about $800. Its not sate of the art, but its pretty damn close, and besides, its upgradeable (unlike your PS3).
Time to assemble machine + time to install OS + time to try to get finnicky, bloated PC games working properly + administering security for said PC > $1000.
The Cell isn't hype at all. There's a recent article in Forbes that goes into details, and compares it to modern electronics, and it's not a gimmick. It already works in several other devices, and the performance is amazing. The XBox will look like it's one (or more) generations behind when the PS3 hits. The PS3 might be the next big step in gaming, as far as graphics goes. I'd probably pay upwards of $1000 for one when it comes out. That's still cheaper than a bleeding edge computer needed to play any of the ridiculously bloated PC games out there.
It's also the cheapeast way to mass-send photos etc, much cheaper than using MMS.
Cheaper than a simple email? I find that hard to believe. With email, no special equipment is required.
I know that this could never be measured in any kind of way, but I have to wonder... how many of these 2000 jobs lost are a result of open source competition? Are these jobs the direct result of Postgre SQL giving away their product? Is this the start of the decline of IT as we know it, because of Free software?
You're right... I couldn't believe all of the Apple drones that have already posted here at Slashdot saying that they're going to have to sell the one they just got, or buy the new one. Whatever they (Apple) are doing, it's working. These people (Apple drones) are completely, and totally brainwashed. I'm not aware of any company in business history, other than maybe Harley Davidson, that had such huge legions of dumb, keeping-up-with-the-joneses, materialist customers.
I think that Apple should up the release cycle to as fast as they possibly can. That makes the best financial sense, since these people will just keep buying, and buying, and buying, and buying....
Could we can it already? Or is there still some moron out there who believes that bullcrap?
Sorry for the language, people, but I feel insulted. Just how DUMB do they think I am?
Sorry to break it to you, but slightly more than 50% of the US population actually IS that dumb. They're the flag-waving, ribbon-wearing, hateful, ignorant religious, Bush supporters.
Anyone else find it troubling that so many sites out there are vulnerable to such attacks?
Not really. They're just websites. Important stuff like hospital and financial networks aren't being hit.
Most of that blame falls squarely on the shoulders of application developers that require their programs to be run as "admin". Similarly, app developers are also the ones who create "DLL hell" by making bad install packages.
Case in point... you link to your blog... I'm looking at it, and quite honestly, I can't figure out what in the hell is going on, or why I would ever want to go back to it. You've got tags, photos, other blogs, and links to articles about articles about blogs about articles about tags about RSS feeds about... who knows what? There's no content there. Links to lists of links... So, what's the point? That's what I'm trying to understand. Is it a big popularity contest to see who can earn more than a few pennies from Google Adsense? Is it just for pure vanity? An attempt to over organize a lot of nothing?
FYI: In the porn industry, this is called a "circle jerk", and it's designed to "jerk around" the surfer until they finally give in and decide to pay for content.
Has anybody invented a name yet, for the "web 2.0" types of people who are obsessed with every new silly fad, like blogs, flicker, delicious, myspace, etc.? There's a whole lot of those (you) people out there, and I just don't get it. Not only are there a lot of people into this stuff, but some are even militant about it, from what I can tell (ie: Don't make fun of blogging! It's better than journalism)
I've been online since the BBS days, and I've kept up with all of the new changes, ideas (hell, protocols, even), but this "social" stuff seems (to me) to be nothing more than personal narcicism, magnified millions of times over, combined with a desperate, almost pathteic need to connect with other personalities in order to fill a massive void in their own personal lives combined with a total lack of any kind of academic discipline (it seems that more than half of the people who write online are functionally illiterate). Is it just me? Am I the last one alive with his own brain after the Body Snatchers came through?
Anybody have any insight, or even a good suggested name for these people?
Wait... this silly thing is just a way to store links? Aren't there like 1000 other services that do the same thing, but make sense?