A single person, can provide the genesis of a movement.
If you expect things to change, at some point, someone is gonna have to make a move to get things changed. It's very rare, for laws to spontaneously disappear.
What I said, is that you should move to change them. Rosa Parks did that. In her case, making a statement, by standing up to them, was how she worked to change them.
You guys are willing to make a stand just like hers. Only you're too chickenshit to even identify yourselves by name on a forum like Slashdot. I assume you'd never consider putting yourself in harms way, the way Rosa Parks did.
I don't have a problem with actively opposing laws, but don't hide in the shadows, and try and sneak around the laws. If you're think they need to be changed, stand up. Oppose the laws openly. And then fight for your right to do what you feel needs to be done.
About a month ago, Forbes had an article about Protegrity, a Swedish company that does crypto related work.
One of the paragraphs in the article:
"Unlike Protegrity, American encryption companies have to engage in some fancy footwork to stay legal. "It's like defusing mines--one wrong turn and the mine could explode," says Stewart Baker, a partner in the law firm Steptoe & Johnson in Washington, D.C. For instance, if only two of a firm's engineers, one in the U.S. and one abroad, were to exchange insights about an encryption algorithm, the U.S. government could shut the company down, fine it $1 million and jail its employees."
Seems pretty cut and dried. If just talking about it theoretically is enough to get a company in deep, I think that coding, even over a terminal connection, would be just as bad.
If you read the letter from Amazon, it doesn't mention anywhere, that RedHat complained.
My guess would be, that someone complained to amazon, that they bought Red Hat, and didn't get "official Red Hat". So Amazon acted to protect their customers. And that Red Hat itself, is completely blameless.
Hey ops, I suppose it's a minor nit. But could you try and do a better job labeling stories. As far as everything seems to indicate, this is NOT MICROWAVE.
Even before I read the actual press release, I was pretty sure that it wasn't tho. Microwave would be horrifically hard to implement for something like this. Microwave is directional. So the ISP would have to have a dish pointing at every single customer's house.
If you read the press release, it doesn't say a word about microwave. It just talks about it being radio based. Rather a bit of difference between radio, and microwave.
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It's not really microwave. It's just radio, apparently. Duh...
"Ronald Reagan? Nothing against Ronny, personally, but he was a pretty mediocre President."
Beg to differ, but I don't think that he was a particularly mediocre president.
Alot of ppl give him a rap, for spending us into a huge hole, but the long term legacy of the debt that he created, is that we won the cold war. We simply outspent the Communists, because our system could support the deficits better. And the debt itself, isn't the issue that it seemed like either. We are in a position now, where a mere 28 years after Ronnie was ushered into office, we could basically retire the debt, if we desired.
Just for the record tho, I voted for Einstein. He was instrumental in the theories behind the bombs that Ronnie spent so much building. Along with so many other theories.
frankly, I expect more from slashdot. This site doesn't really seem to be breaking any ground. Frankly, it's about as interesting, as reading about TransMeta. It's a company that's doing something, that they don't really want to talk about. The only gimmick, is that they are broadcasting "live" shots of the office on the net. Big whoop.
And as a bit of truth-in-advertising, the person that referred the site to/., is apparently involved with one of the primaries. So it's not like someone other than themselves thought they were doing anything cool, or innovative.
It seems to me, that if we object to these policies that are being encouraged by Washington, We have options that are alot better than lame attempts at subverting them, and trying to sneak around the rules.
If a theatre chain is imposing policies, that you don't agree with, write them letters. Show the theatres, that free-thinking people have something to say about this tempest in a teapot.
When you're elected representatives are brow-beating Hollywood to enforce these restrictions, write them. Let them know that they are elected to serve YOU, and that they have a responsibility to listen to your opinion.
And last but not least. So what if a teenager can't get into a theatre. I suppose since it's summer, they don't have studying that they could be doing. But don't they have anything reasonable that they could spend their time doing. It's just a movie. If they don't see it, they'll survive, and grow to be adults anyhow. Read the book, if all else fails. Most bookstores won't restrict selling anything but hardcore, and reading's going to do alot more for your mind, than absorbing someones elses interpretation of the story.
Uhmmmmm, maybe it's just me. But have any of y'all actually tried to install Windows, since it moved off floppies? Granted, I have installed all the versions that have been released the last couple of years, hundreds of times for work. But I don't have any problems installing Win at all. And even so, I was extremely impressed by the installation of Win2k. I have never seen an OS install so smoothly, and painlessly. And 98 has a very polished install routine too.
Meanwhile, I have never been able to install a clean, working copy of Linux by myself. Not that's actually booted, and been able to launch X at all. I suppose that not being able to launch a GUI, is not the ideal way to judge the "success" of a Linux install, but it's what I've come to expect from MS OS's.
Would I love to run Linux, yes. Do I plan on running it at home, yes. Do I like what I have to work with right now, as far as Linux stands, hell no.
I suppose it is relevant to the net, a little. In that it talks about a method of software development, that is alot more feasable via the internet.
But I would hazard a guess, that the primary reason for mentioning that it is a necessity, is that it's a pro-GPL document. And every slashdotter knows that GPL will save the world from the great satan(Bill G. that is).
I think that it's inclusion is just an example of the strong editorial bias of the site.
Apparently the link to the article was broken at some point, and connected Pit boy to some other article entirely.
"I wonder: Hell, why does an M$NBC Article show up on slashdot anyway?"
Ummm, because it's about something that is relevant to computers, and Open Source issues. Seems obvious enough.
"There isn't even information in this article - it's redundant ! I leared this much about GPL vs BSD licenses just by listening comp.os.freebsd.misc for 2 days !"
I'd say that at least 95% of the material on the web is "redundant". Just because the information is available in the darkest bowels of the net, if you know where to look, doesn't mean that taking it, and compiling it in a reasonable readable format is a waste of time. Prior to reading this, I had no idea about BSD, and AT&T, et al.
"I thinks slashdot is getting worse."
I have to assume, that the only reason for this comment, is the above comments about/. having a link to a MS owned and operated site. How dare Hemos even admit that MS might have some affiliation with something worth doing. I suppose that we should all flame Hemos for corrupting our browsers with an MS owned http. Flush your cache, and get over it already. You're not gonna burn in hell, for reading an MS site. You're really not.
It seems a bit disingenuous to criticize the behavior of the BSD folks, when the Linux crowd, especially many of the regulars at our/., are getting a very deserved reputation, as being bomb-throwing, foaming at the mouth, OS-bigoted, extremeists.
" Do you doubt that this has all the makings of a good old-fashioned computer science religious war? Ask Peters, who wrote an article for online magazine daemonnews.org earlier this month. His even-tempered prose spurred a thread 600 messages long on geek news site Slashdot.org. "
I suppose that on the plus side, for once/. users were mentioned as doing something other than flame-mailing someone, just because that person didn't swear that Linux was the most important incention of the last several millenia.
I'm starting to get the same feeelings about this site, as I do about living in San Francisco. I love the location. And what it has to offer. But I'm starting to really hate the local population. Extremeism is not a healthy situation. No matter how cool the thing that you hold an extreme opinion may seem.
Alot of the functionality needed for things like sounds/video, is going to move to specialized processors, whether or not they get integrated into the CPU. They are going to get consolidated down, to smaller/faster processors. And when new functions appear, they'll be implemented, with software. So the only time to upgrade, will be to get a faster processor.
The down side, is that since the software to drive the functions is basically another driver layer, that means that most likely, there will be a base level at which systems will have decent functionality, with relatively good stability. Then any feature level above that, the systems will become increasingly less stable, in a trade off for the added features. I can hardly wait.
Just like in the real world, evolution is not necessarily an ideal solution. When evolution runs amok, with a limited pool of inputs, you can end up with some very odd species popping up.
And like it or not, the genepool that Linux operates with, is a somewhat limited one. And if you let the evolutionary processes work, I suppose that eventually, the system will grow, gradually. But I think it likely that it will take a long time.
Not to fan the flames, but did it ever cross your mind, that "when slashdotters take over the discussion", doesn't make you all sound much better than windoze droids? I do find it mildly distasteful, that so many of the slashdotters can't imagine MS doing anything worthwhile at all. Mostly,/.'ers, come off as just as closed minded, as the MS legions. You just don't have a professional marketing organization to polish some of your output. So most of your rhetoric, comes off as very juvenille.
I don't think that MS is gonna save us from much of anything. But neither do I believe, that MS is the great satan either. They're just another company, that happens to be successful right now.
I agree wholeheartedly. Frankly, I didn't see what was so amusing about his 2 bits, at all. The language was incredibly stilted, and the humor, wasn't funny. It was your basic "MS Sucks" piece, with delusions of grandeur.
I appreciate that most of the readers of this site, are rabid about Linux. But c'mon people. This "humor" site, was just juvenille.
If the users of Linux can't keep the dialogue at a vaguely sophisticated level, they WILL continue to be ridiculed, and ignored. If you want to be taken seriously, you guys should at least occasionally feign maturity.
I concur with him completely. I do really enjoy coming in, and reading all the comments, that pop up after anyposting, that is even slightly favorable about MS tho. I suppose that slashdot, is not designed to be a necessarily balanced forum tho. For the most part, the audience here, seems to be Linux Jihad members.
Personally, I've adopted the view, that all of the junk, that we run on our computers, all the little bits of code, be it OS, or app, are TOOLS. Nothing more. And whatever tool fits the need at hand, is what I generally choose to use. So at home, I have a NetWare server, an NT workstation, and Linux Router, and a 98 game machine. And I will continue to use all of them, as appropriate. I just can't get worked up about Bill being the antichrist, or anything else like that.
Y'all can go preach the word, and jump up and down, screaming for attention for your OS of choice. I'm too busy implementing solutions, to have time to preach.
The CPU's mentioned in the article, aren't gonna be all in one box/mobo. What this article is talking about, is the next iterationo of Wolfpack, basically. It's a cluster of servers. Not a massive multi-processor machine. That is how they will have 64 processors. So you have 16 machines, each a Quad Xeon, that's your 64 processors.
I'm a definite vote, for it being a useful tool. Do I think that it increases my productivity, well, maybe. But I do think that it absolutely improves the quality of life, so to speak. For me it replaced a DayTimer, that was 6 times the size. So even if I only use it for appointments, and addresses, I'm way ahead, in my mind.
Now I'm just waiting for Qualcomm to ship their new gadget. So I can toss my old cell phone, and my pilot. http://www.qualcomm.com/phones/products/pdq_phone/ 0,1352,,00.html
You make it sound like there is some outside power that tells Creative, and Diamond what boards to make, and how many of each.
I'm sure that Nvidia probably didn't notice a huge shift after STB got bought out. But I'm willing to bet, that when there is only 1 major manufacturer pushing their cards, Nvidia WILL be hurt.
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A single person, can provide the genesis of a movement.
If you expect things to change, at some point, someone is gonna have to make a move to get things changed. It's very rare, for laws to spontaneously disappear.
What I said, is that you should move to change them. Rosa Parks did that. In her case, making a statement, by standing up to them, was how she worked to change them.
You guys are willing to make a stand just like hers. Only you're too chickenshit to even identify yourselves by name on a forum like Slashdot. I assume you'd never consider putting yourself in harms way, the way Rosa Parks did.
I don't have a problem with actively opposing laws, but don't hide in the shadows, and try and sneak around the laws. If you're think they need to be changed, stand up. Oppose the laws openly. And then fight for your right to do what you feel needs to be done.
About a month ago, Forbes had an article about Protegrity, a Swedish company that does crypto related work.
One of the paragraphs in the article:
"Unlike Protegrity, American encryption companies have to engage in some fancy footwork to stay legal. "It's like defusing mines--one wrong turn and the mine could explode," says Stewart Baker, a partner in the law firm Steptoe & Johnson in Washington, D.C. For instance, if only two of a firm's engineers, one in the U.S. and one abroad, were to exchange insights about an encryption algorithm, the U.S. government could shut the company down, fine it $1 million and jail its employees."
Seems pretty cut and dried. If just talking about it theoretically is enough to get a company in deep, I think that coding, even over a terminal connection, would be just as bad.
That is a bad attitude to have. If everyone decides to only follow the laws, that they agree make sense, you will have anarchy.
If you don't approve of the rules, work to change them. Don't just pick and choose which ones to obey.
If you read the letter from Amazon, it doesn't mention anywhere, that RedHat complained.
My guess would be, that someone complained to amazon, that they bought Red Hat, and didn't get "official Red Hat". So Amazon acted to protect their customers. And that Red Hat itself, is completely blameless.
Hey ops, I suppose it's a minor nit. But could you try and do a better job labeling stories. As far as everything seems to indicate, this is NOT MICROWAVE.
Even before I read the actual press release, I was pretty sure that it wasn't tho. Microwave would be horrifically hard to implement for something like this. Microwave is directional. So the ISP would have to have a dish pointing at every single customer's house.
If you read the press release, it doesn't say a word about microwave. It just talks about it being radio based. Rather a bit of difference between radio, and microwave.
It's not really microwave. It's just radio, apparently. Duh...
We buy 'em overseas. Specifically, They're british.
"Ronald Reagan? Nothing against Ronny, personally, but he was a pretty mediocre President."
Beg to differ, but I don't think that he was a particularly mediocre president.
Alot of ppl give him a rap, for spending us into a huge hole, but the long term legacy of the debt that he created, is that we won the cold war. We simply outspent the Communists, because our system could support the deficits better. And the debt itself, isn't the issue that it seemed like either. We are in a position now, where a mere 28 years after Ronnie was ushered into office, we could basically retire the debt, if we desired.
Just for the record tho, I voted for Einstein. He was instrumental in the theories behind the bombs that Ronnie spent so much building. Along with so many other theories.
frankly, I expect more from slashdot. This site doesn't really seem to be breaking any ground. Frankly, it's about as interesting, as reading about TransMeta. It's a company that's doing something, that they don't really want to talk about. The only gimmick, is that they are broadcasting "live" shots of the office on the net. Big whoop.
/., is apparently involved with one of the primaries. So it's not like someone other than themselves thought they were doing anything cool, or innovative.
And as a bit of truth-in-advertising, the person that referred the site to
Howabout screening the postings a little guys.
It seems to me, that if we object to these policies that are being encouraged by Washington, We have options that are alot better than lame attempts at subverting them, and trying to sneak around the rules.
If a theatre chain is imposing policies, that you don't agree with, write them letters. Show the theatres, that free-thinking people have something to say about this tempest in a teapot.
When you're elected representatives are brow-beating Hollywood to enforce these restrictions, write them. Let them know that they are elected to serve YOU, and that they have a responsibility to listen to your opinion.
And last but not least. So what if a teenager can't get into a theatre. I suppose since it's summer, they don't have studying that they could be doing. But don't they have anything reasonable that they could spend their time doing. It's just a movie. If they don't see it, they'll survive, and grow to be adults anyhow. Read the book, if all else fails. Most bookstores won't restrict selling anything but hardcore, and reading's going to do alot more for your mind, than absorbing someones elses interpretation of the story.
Uhmmmmm, maybe it's just me. But have any of y'all actually tried to install Windows, since it moved off floppies? Granted, I have installed all the versions that have been released the last couple of years, hundreds of times for work. But I don't have any problems installing Win at all. And even so, I was extremely impressed by the installation of Win2k. I have never seen an OS install so smoothly, and painlessly. And 98 has a very polished install routine too.
Meanwhile, I have never been able to install a clean, working copy of Linux by myself. Not that's actually booted, and been able to launch X at all. I suppose that not being able to launch a GUI, is not the ideal way to judge the "success" of a Linux install, but it's what I've come to expect from MS OS's.
Would I love to run Linux, yes. Do I plan on running it at home, yes. Do I like what I have to work with right now, as far as Linux stands, hell no.
I suppose it is relevant to the net, a little. In that it talks about a method of software development, that is alot more feasable via the internet.
But I would hazard a guess, that the primary reason for mentioning that it is a necessity, is that it's a pro-GPL document. And every slashdotter knows that GPL will save the world from the great satan(Bill G. that is).
I think that it's inclusion is just an example of the strong editorial bias of the site.
"The whole Article is biased towards M$."
/. having a link to a MS owned and operated site. How dare Hemos even admit that MS might have some affiliation with something worth doing. I suppose that we should all flame Hemos for corrupting our browsers with an MS owned http. Flush your cache, and get over it already. You're not gonna burn in hell, for reading an MS site. You're really not.
Apparently the link to the article was broken at some point, and connected Pit boy to some other article entirely.
"I wonder: Hell, why does an M$NBC Article show up on slashdot anyway?"
Ummm, because it's about something that is relevant to computers, and Open Source issues. Seems obvious enough.
"There isn't even information in this article - it's redundant ! I leared this much about GPL vs BSD licenses just by listening comp.os.freebsd.misc for 2 days !"
I'd say that at least 95% of the material on the web is "redundant". Just because the information is available in the darkest bowels of the net, if you know where to look, doesn't mean that taking it, and compiling it in a reasonable readable format is a waste of time. Prior to reading this, I had no idea about BSD, and AT&T, et al.
"I thinks slashdot is getting worse."
I have to assume, that the only reason for this comment, is the above comments about
It seems a bit disingenuous to criticize the behavior of the BSD folks, when the Linux crowd, especially many of the regulars at our /., are getting a very deserved reputation, as being bomb-throwing, foaming at the mouth, OS-bigoted, extremeists.
/. users were mentioned as doing something other than flame-mailing someone, just because that person didn't swear that Linux was the most important incention of the last several millenia.
" Do you doubt that this has all the makings of a good old-fashioned computer science religious war? Ask Peters, who wrote an article for online magazine daemonnews.org earlier this month. His even-tempered prose spurred a thread 600 messages long on geek news site Slashdot.org. "
I suppose that on the plus side, for once
I'm starting to get the same feeelings about this site, as I do about living in San Francisco. I love the location. And what it has to offer. But I'm starting to really hate the local population. Extremeism is not a healthy situation. No matter how cool the thing that you hold an extreme opinion may seem.
Alot of the functionality needed for things like sounds/video, is going to move to specialized processors, whether or not they get integrated into the CPU. They are going to get consolidated down, to smaller/faster processors. And when new functions appear, they'll be implemented, with software. So the only time to upgrade, will be to get a faster processor.
The down side, is that since the software to drive the functions is basically another driver layer, that means that most likely, there will be a base level at which systems will have decent functionality, with relatively good stability. Then any feature level above that, the systems will become increasingly less stable, in a trade off for the added features. I can hardly wait.
Just like in the real world, evolution is not necessarily an ideal solution. When evolution runs amok, with a limited pool of inputs, you can end up with some very odd species popping up.
And like it or not, the genepool that Linux operates with, is a somewhat limited one. And if you let the evolutionary processes work, I suppose that eventually, the system will grow, gradually. But I think it likely that it will take a long time.
Not to fan the flames, but did it ever cross your mind, that "when slashdotters take over the discussion", doesn't make you all sound much better than windoze droids? I do find it mildly distasteful, that so many of the slashdotters can't imagine MS doing anything worthwhile at all. Mostly, /.'ers, come off as just as closed minded, as the MS legions. You just don't have a professional marketing organization to polish some of your output. So most of your rhetoric, comes off as very juvenille.
I don't think that MS is gonna save us from much of anything. But neither do I believe, that MS is the great satan either. They're just another company, that happens to be successful right now.
I agree wholeheartedly. Frankly, I didn't see what was so amusing about his 2 bits, at all. The language was incredibly stilted, and the humor, wasn't funny. It was your basic "MS Sucks" piece, with delusions of grandeur.
I appreciate that most of the readers of this site, are rabid about Linux. But c'mon people. This "humor" site, was just juvenille.
If the users of Linux can't keep the dialogue at a vaguely sophisticated level, they WILL continue to be ridiculed, and ignored. If you want to be taken seriously, you guys should at least occasionally feign maturity.
Ok, I'm back off my soapbox now.
I concur with him completely. I do really enjoy coming in, and reading all the comments, that pop up after anyposting, that is even slightly favorable about MS tho. I suppose that slashdot, is not designed to be a necessarily balanced forum tho. For the most part, the audience here, seems to be Linux Jihad members.
Personally, I've adopted the view, that all of the junk, that we run on our computers, all the little bits of code, be it OS, or app, are TOOLS. Nothing more. And whatever tool fits the need at hand, is what I generally choose to use. So at home, I have a NetWare server, an NT workstation, and Linux Router, and a 98 game machine. And I will continue to use all of them, as appropriate. I just can't get worked up about Bill being the antichrist, or anything else like that.
Y'all can go preach the word, and jump up and down, screaming for attention for your OS of choice. I'm too busy implementing solutions, to have time to preach.
The CPU's mentioned in the article, aren't gonna be all in one box/mobo. What this article is talking about, is the next iterationo of Wolfpack, basically. It's a cluster of servers. Not a massive multi-processor machine. That is how they will have 64 processors. So you have 16 machines, each a Quad Xeon, that's your 64 processors.
Josta soda has been available at least in the SF area for a couple years. And it's a guarana (sp) based product.
I'm a definite vote, for it being a useful tool. Do I think that it increases my productivity, well, maybe. But I do think that it absolutely improves the quality of life, so to speak. For me it replaced a DayTimer, that was 6 times the size. So even if I only use it for appointments, and addresses, I'm way ahead, in my mind.
/ 0,1352,,00.html
Now I'm just waiting for Qualcomm to ship their new gadget. So I can toss my old cell phone, and my pilot. http://www.qualcomm.com/phones/products/pdq_phone
You make it sound like there is some outside power that tells Creative, and Diamond what boards to make, and how many of each.
I'm sure that Nvidia probably didn't notice a huge shift after STB got bought out. But I'm willing to bet, that when there is only 1 major manufacturer pushing their cards, Nvidia WILL be hurt.