By the letter of copyright law, this practice would most likely be seen as an infringing use.
Seems like a lot of speculation to me. As for the small fraction of the internet being firefox users, I can vouch for the fact that everyone I know that use firfox do a considerable amount of shopping online, as for the IE people...most of them stick to Ebay. But that is just my personal groups.
Yes Firefox users click on ads less...it isnt because they use firefox or ad blocker, it is because in my experience firefox users arent click happy, how many of you out there have spent hours removing viruses and spyware and malware because of a click happy IE user.
Many many many projects out there make plenty of cash without advertisements what is the big deal with this site?
I am fine with the site blocking firefox, they simply wont get my business or the business of any of the corporations purchase for, this amounts to a couple hundred grand a year, but what do I know, I am only one lowly firefox user.
Ya I read the wiki, just had some Mac users who were adamant about MS being a majority shareholder in the 90s, all conspiracy theory crap to me but I just thought I would double check:)
testing my memory here but I heard rumors long ago, maybe a slashdot article that MS had bought out Claris back in the 90s and that effectively ended the dev....can anyone contribute to or destroy this rumor?
It was the terminology you used. subnet != VLAN. As I have mentioned in previous posts on this topic there is an issue where tracking down a nic going haywire on a LAN is difficult at best unless you get really lucky. We also dont know what kind of network this is, you have to think beyond Ether here, some of these systems are still stuck with systems that in the past "have just worked" so they dont change because of the cost to upgrade and the fear of the difficulty of the new system.
Which brings me back again to state, finding a bad nic on a LAN before it causes serious damage is an issue that raises all sorts of fun questions:
How big is too big for a vlan?
How small is too small?
Can IDS systems be customized to catch this and notify an admin?
What kind of switches are there available to shut off a port that is misbehaving?
What about broadcast storms?
WHat happens when your nic fries the router it is attached to? ad so on and so forth.
Of course maybe I am just hyper sensitive about the issue because I have seen the stupidity you refer to and have had to deal with it on almost every network I have been brought into as a consultant or full time employee.
An interconnected, but independent segment of a network that is identified by its Internet Protocol (IP) address.
A LAN that is part of a larger logical network.
# A portion of a network, which may be a physically independent network, which shares a network address with other portions of the network and is distinguished by a subnet number. A subnet is to a network what a network is to an internet.
or here for a wiki definition: In computer networks, a subnetwork or subnet is a range of logical addresses within the address space that is assigned to an organization.
I wouldnt retort but maybe, just maybe by pointing out this flaw in the network admin wanabe's logic I can keep from having to clean up all the messes people make because they are dabbling in things they dont really understand.
to clarify further from wikipedia:
However, subnetting allows the network to be logically divided regardless of the physical layout of a network...
But to be fair most people understand it as this: A typical subnet is a physical network served by one router, for instance an Ethernet network (consisting of one or several Ethernet segments or local area networks, interconnected by network switches and network bridges) or a Virtual Local Area Network (VLAN).
BUT IT "professionals" have tended to think that if they just say/25-/32 that they are doing enough to survive a storm or to quiet down their network.
You know, I really don't care if I reach a voice, I just want my questions answered. There are situations where I prefer a computer answering, Airborne package pickup comes to mind. As for customer service I am happier to have a live chat with the rep as anything. I get a person (albeit they are multitasking) fairly quickly and there are no misunderstandings as the text is right in front of you. When I am done I get a transcript to file away in case I want to look at it again. Talking on the phone just takes way to long most of the time and I dont feel like I get as good of expertise on the first try as I do chat anyway.
I am not aware of their topology but even if the terminals were all separate from the servers if all the PCs in the airport were on one subnet (a bit stupid in that field, but lets just say they took this one bit of precaution) if the terminals were unable to get to the server, no one would be able to validate passengers and the airport would be shut down.
I once saw a network that was meticulously cut up so every PC was on its own VLAN, I guess that would be one way to do it but wow, what a PITA.
sorry it was meant to mean, you have to go beyond just logically applying a subnet, there needs to be some physical separation as well. Sorry for the confusion but thanks for the Mr Mom quote:)
You are correct and you speak far truer than the AC. Basic VLANs should be a part of any admin's topology, I worked on a network once where all 100 servers were connected to the same VLAN as an additional 120PCs subnet was just about full and they were asking for the problem above. I agree with you wholeheartedly, but my question is more related to local subnets 100 PCs here 100PCs there and I would like to detect a faulty nic before it disturbs the rest of the PCs.
no wonder you posted AC an answer like that is just begging to be flamed (modders here is your chance to click that button). Subnetting alone is not going to fix a flaky nic issue. Personally I love walking into a network where the admin doesnt understand the purpose of a subnet and just cuts everything up without segmenting the actual physical network. You need to go beyond/25 or/32, and create a substantial amount of subnets. A flakey nic will broadcast across and tear up that network as if there were no subnets. Then you have to figure the time it takes to cut up those networks and maintain all the vlans and you are looking at serious $$$
Now that being said, a good slice and dice of a network will save you some heartache but it will not solve the problem as at some point your miracle subnets (I will assume you meant vlans) will all have to connect somewhere, now you have reduced the chance of a nic failing as there are less NICs and all are confined to their respective homes, but you still are dealing with NICs and they still short out, go bad, mice chew, and all goes haywire.
Of course you dont know these things unless you ahve actually experienced the scenarios (experienced it here with equipment less than a year old), on a large network and by large I mean at least 1000+ nodes.
My solution to the problem? Get away from large enterprise networks and stick to smaller ones, I really enjoy the perks of having a sub 500 node network and I have the time and can afford the equipment to cut things up properly.
Having worked for the gov't I think you underestimate the quality of employees there...how does that saying go "Two things are infitite the universe and gov't stupidity?". Could be a hack but they wouldnt know unless they brought in someone from the private sector who is smart enough to charge a bagillion an hour to show them how to properly plug in the nic.
Yes, I am glad to be out of that velvet lined rut and in a world where there are actual professionals.
Let me know, knowing how to prevent failure to to a flaky nic on a network is a very large issue.
First you see latency on a network, then you fire up a sniffer and hope to god you can get enough packets to deduce which is the flaky card without shutting down every NIC on your network.
Of course I did write a paper on this behavior years ago in my CS networking class. Taking a Snort box and a series of custom scripts to notify admins with spikes on the network outside of normal operating ranges for that device's history. However implementing this successfully in an elegant fashion has been beyond me and I just rely on Nagios to do a lot of my bidding.
You are precisely right here. I have read over these paragraphs trying to find 1 of 2 things:
1. That the fire chief ever said there was a fire...
Today, however -- out of an overabundance of caution (always a good thing) - the Needham Times reporter doubled back to DeIulio and asked if there was any truth to Verizon's contention that there was no fire at the fire on Pine Grove Street. I had contacted the paper earlier and asked that they let me know if any correction proved necessary.
It has not.
"If there's flames, there's fire," Deputy Fire Chief DeIulio said to reporter Ryan, demonstrating once again that public relations professionals need approximately 20 words to every one required by regular people to tell their side of any story.
No argument is being made between the two individuals, no suit no nothing. Verison took responsibility for the issue, paying for the whole thing. Even if there were a contention on the state of the accident whether there be a wire cut and sparks flew or if there was an actual electrical fire, it wouldn't change the outcome. No one is covering up anything, no one, but the author is making an issue of this. Just one of the millions of accidents that happen due to poor planning each year.
Should I write a blog on how I had two fiber connections dug up in 1 week here? No, the companies took responsibility and fixed the problem, case closed.
2. Why on earth this is even a story, I live in smallville midwest and this wouldn't even make it as a paragraph in the Living section. This has the feeling of a 15 year old kid scrambling to find a story for a paper before deadline in an hour. Lot of speculation and lack of actual comments in context. I feel like a piece of my life was just wasted reading the article. Similar to how I made it through Mission to Mars, I kept hoping there would be a point to the movie but alas just a section of my life I will never get back. Kind of like how you feel now for reading my post. Just had to do something to make reading this article worth my time.
Yes, I am pretty sure from what I have read that it is indeed some bastard child of redhat. In fact that is what my free vmware server is running on at home, works very slick.
sure, but in the meatime it saves me money and time to shell out the cash for a Windows XP install rather than having multiple versions of the same software installed especially when that Mac version comes at a premium and doesnt work as well as the MS version.
Coherence in parallels isnt something I have played with, I am guessing it is the same thing as Unity in VMware fusion. Fusion allows you to create a windows installation in a VM environment, install what apps you need and then switch to unity mode then you just see the apps and explorer in a toolbar and run whatever you want, it looks like it is running on the mac. Makes me feel so good to have outlook running instead of crappy Entourage, I do wonder (to keep us on topic as the moderators have their targets set on me today), if high resource applications will run well on it though.
It seems that we have pissed off the moderator Gods.
But as you say Dreamweaver was crap, but it was a less smelly crap that worked for what it was meant for. Anyone wanting to do real professional work stuck with Visual Studio or notepad;)
It was an analogy of a competing market Adobe Dreamweaver vs Microsoft Frontpage, completely on topic as we are talking about the history of adobe vs MS here and whether or not MS can compete.
This is off topic but regarding mac software have you checked out VMWARE Fusion, just came out this week and may makes my need to have multiple versions of software less likely.
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Seems like a lot of speculation to me. As for the small fraction of the internet being firefox users, I can vouch for the fact that everyone I know that use firfox do a considerable amount of shopping online, as for the IE people...most of them stick to Ebay. But that is just my personal groups.
However on a different note seen here (old article 2004 sorry) http://news.com.com/Firefox+users+ignore+online+ad s,+report+says/2100-1024_3-5479800.html
Yes Firefox users click on ads less...it isnt because they use firefox or ad blocker, it is because in my experience firefox users arent click happy, how many of you out there have spent hours removing viruses and spyware and malware because of a click happy IE user.
Many many many projects out there make plenty of cash without advertisements what is the big deal with this site?
I am fine with the site blocking firefox, they simply wont get my business or the business of any of the corporations purchase for, this amounts to a couple hundred grand a year, but what do I know, I am only one lowly firefox user.
Ya I read the wiki, just had some Mac users who were adamant about MS being a majority shareholder in the 90s, all conspiracy theory crap to me but I just thought I would double check :)
testing my memory here but I heard rumors long ago, maybe a slashdot article that MS had bought out Claris back in the 90s and that effectively ended the dev....can anyone contribute to or destroy this rumor?
Which brings me back again to state, finding a bad nic on a LAN before it causes serious damage is an issue that raises all sorts of fun questions:
How big is too big for a vlan?
How small is too small?
Can IDS systems be customized to catch this and notify an admin?
What kind of switches are there available to shut off a port that is misbehaving?
What about broadcast storms?
WHat happens when your nic fries the router it is attached to? ad so on and so forth.
Of course maybe I am just hyper sensitive about the issue because I have seen the stupidity you refer to and have had to deal with it on almost every network I have been brought into as a consultant or full time employee.
An interconnected, but independent segment of a network that is identified by its Internet Protocol (IP) address.
A LAN that is part of a larger logical network.
# A portion of a network, which may be a physically independent network, which shares a network address with other portions of the network and is distinguished by a subnet number. A subnet is to a network what a network is to an internet.
or here for a wiki definition: In computer networks, a subnetwork or subnet is a range of logical addresses within the address space that is assigned to an organization.
I wouldnt retort but maybe, just maybe by pointing out this flaw in the network admin wanabe's logic I can keep from having to clean up all the messes people make because they are dabbling in things they dont really understand.
to clarify further from wikipedia:
However, subnetting allows the network to be logically divided regardless of the physical layout of a network...
But to be fair most people understand it as this: A typical subnet is a physical network served by one router, for instance an Ethernet network (consisting of one or several Ethernet segments or local area networks, interconnected by network switches and network bridges) or a Virtual Local Area Network (VLAN).
BUT IT "professionals" have tended to think that if they just say /25-/32 that they are doing enough to survive a storm or to quiet down their network.
You know, I really don't care if I reach a voice, I just want my questions answered. There are situations where I prefer a computer answering, Airborne package pickup comes to mind. As for customer service I am happier to have a live chat with the rep as anything. I get a person (albeit they are multitasking) fairly quickly and there are no misunderstandings as the text is right in front of you. When I am done I get a transcript to file away in case I want to look at it again. Talking on the phone just takes way to long most of the time and I dont feel like I get as good of expertise on the first try as I do chat anyway.
I once saw a network that was meticulously cut up so every PC was on its own VLAN, I guess that would be one way to do it but wow, what a PITA.
sorry it was meant to mean, you have to go beyond just logically applying a subnet, there needs to be some physical separation as well. Sorry for the confusion but thanks for the Mr Mom quote :)
Yes, but this is slashdot so I feel the compulsive need to render quotes in a way to fit my needs.
You are correct and you speak far truer than the AC. Basic VLANs should be a part of any admin's topology, I worked on a network once where all 100 servers were connected to the same VLAN as an additional 120PCs subnet was just about full and they were asking for the problem above. I agree with you wholeheartedly, but my question is more related to local subnets 100 PCs here 100PCs there and I would like to detect a faulty nic before it disturbs the rest of the PCs.
Now that being said, a good slice and dice of a network will save you some heartache but it will not solve the problem as at some point your miracle subnets (I will assume you meant vlans) will all have to connect somewhere, now you have reduced the chance of a nic failing as there are less NICs and all are confined to their respective homes, but you still are dealing with NICs and they still short out, go bad, mice chew, and all goes haywire.
Of course you dont know these things unless you ahve actually experienced the scenarios (experienced it here with equipment less than a year old), on a large network and by large I mean at least 1000+ nodes.
My solution to the problem? Get away from large enterprise networks and stick to smaller ones, I really enjoy the perks of having a sub 500 node network and I have the time and can afford the equipment to cut things up properly.
Thanks, that was worth my time and a good laugh :)
Yes, I am glad to be out of that velvet lined rut and in a world where there are actual professionals.
apparently you are not familliar with what a bad nic does to even the best of switches.
First you see latency on a network, then you fire up a sniffer and hope to god you can get enough packets to deduce which is the flaky card without shutting down every NIC on your network.
Of course I did write a paper on this behavior years ago in my CS networking class. Taking a Snort box and a series of custom scripts to notify admins with spikes on the network outside of normal operating ranges for that device's history. However implementing this successfully in an elegant fashion has been beyond me and I just rely on Nagios to do a lot of my bidding.
1. That the fire chief ever said there was a fire...
Today, however -- out of an overabundance of caution (always a good thing) - the Needham Times reporter doubled back to DeIulio and asked if there was any truth to Verizon's contention that there was no fire at the fire on Pine Grove Street. I had contacted the paper earlier and asked that they let me know if any correction proved necessary.
No argument is being made between the two individuals, no suit no nothing. Verison took responsibility for the issue, paying for the whole thing. Even if there were a contention on the state of the accident whether there be a wire cut and sparks flew or if there was an actual electrical fire, it wouldn't change the outcome. No one is covering up anything, no one, but the author is making an issue of this. Just one of the millions of accidents that happen due to poor planning each year.It has not.
"If there's flames, there's fire," Deputy Fire Chief DeIulio said to reporter Ryan, demonstrating once again that public relations professionals need approximately 20 words to every one required by regular people to tell their side of any story.
Should I write a blog on how I had two fiber connections dug up in 1 week here? No, the companies took responsibility and fixed the problem, case closed.
2. Why on earth this is even a story, I live in smallville midwest and this wouldn't even make it as a paragraph in the Living section. This has the feeling of a 15 year old kid scrambling to find a story for a paper before deadline in an hour. Lot of speculation and lack of actual comments in context. I feel like a piece of my life was just wasted reading the article. Similar to how I made it through Mission to Mars, I kept hoping there would be a point to the movie but alas just a section of my life I will never get back. Kind of like how you feel now for reading my post. Just had to do something to make reading this article worth my time.
Yes, I am pretty sure from what I have read that it is indeed some bastard child of redhat. In fact that is what my free vmware server is running on at home, works very slick.
My Nagios box refers to my ESX server as Linux 2.6.8 (Debian) Not that this is conclusive by any means but is interesting nonetheless.
sure, but in the meatime it saves me money and time to shell out the cash for a Windows XP install rather than having multiple versions of the same software installed especially when that Mac version comes at a premium and doesnt work as well as the MS version.
Coherence in parallels isnt something I have played with, I am guessing it is the same thing as Unity in VMware fusion. Fusion allows you to create a windows installation in a VM environment, install what apps you need and then switch to unity mode then you just see the apps and explorer in a toolbar and run whatever you want, it looks like it is running on the mac. Makes me feel so good to have outlook running instead of crappy Entourage, I do wonder (to keep us on topic as the moderators have their targets set on me today), if high resource applications will run well on it though.
But as you say Dreamweaver was crap, but it was a less smelly crap that worked for what it was meant for. Anyone wanting to do real professional work stuck with Visual Studio or notepad ;)
Not meant for the same market, kind of like saying MS Paint should compete with Photoshop.
It was an analogy of a competing market Adobe Dreamweaver vs Microsoft Frontpage, completely on topic as we are talking about the history of adobe vs MS here and whether or not MS can compete.
Why should they do that when the GIMP project does it for them at no cost?
This is off topic but regarding mac software have you checked out VMWARE Fusion, just came out this week and may makes my need to have multiple versions of software less likely.