My argument still balances perfectly, but thanks for the history lesson. The only union strike that I can think of that didn't have union consent to back down was GWB's fiasco with the Pilot strike.
Since you managed to invoke Godwin's law, I no longer feel the need to respect your intelligence.:)
Uh, have you noticed the amount of games that include characters that blow up Jews? The first "popular" first person shooter, "Wolfenstein 3D", did just that. Despite the bad graphics by today's standards, the swastika and picures of Hitler were all over the place. In the sequel, you defeat Heinrich Himmler. The game's content had to be significantly reworked for German audiences, because the laws there forbid such conntent. The DOOM series consistently throws images known as satanic or derived from occult topics such as thelema. And with the glut of WWII games today, I think you're pretty off-base. These games include some of the most vile characters in myth and history and I get to point a gun at them. I see nothing wrong with that. Some would say the G-Man in Half-Life was significantly more evil.:)
And to bring insult to injury, while I certainly know that there are Jewish people that would like to eradicate all knowledge of the holocaust, I also know many who either simply don't relate a game to something real or find it as a good outlet to vent on something that is in reality the effigy of all that is wrong with racism.
Counter-Strike pits Terrorists against Counter-Terrorists, and got quite a bit of flak after September 11th (it came out years before). My mother (who lives in florida now, proceed with jokes) had no concept of why I would want to play such a game, especially "the side of the Terrorists". She didn't like my "they have more powerful guns" argument either. I failed to mention that the CT's generally have more accurate ones, but it was good for a laugh.
OTOH, look at Kingpin, who's selling point was that you were a gangbanger, or Postal, who's selling point was that you were a postal worker gone mad and on a killing spree. These games really had no redeeming qualities other than their controversal theme and while fun for about 10 minutes took an express trip to the bargain bin. So, voting with your wallet worked in this scenario. Postal 2 was a much better game (creative use of sick and twisted things) and I attempted to play most of it, but it too got monotonous.
On your "Star Trek" comparison, I don't think you and Roddenberry had the same idea when he created Captain Kirk and "Number One" (I never got into the shows, I can't remember his name). Both were womanizing characters on the show. So if you were trying to make a point that a utopian society still includes these creatures, you definitely succeeded.
Manhunt was the most boring game I have ever played.
And the reality, is that only the largest apps do that.
Really, I have over 200 apps on this machine and I can count on one hand (from memory) which ones used installers.
Emacs, XCode, Cisco VPNClient. Sorry, 3.
Everything else is standard mac fare, open DMG, drag n' drop and get to something more interesting.
That said, some of the programs ask for root after they're installed, which I think is a larger problem. A couple of "tweak" utilities that I use to do things which apple buries or makes hard to use do this. I even found one doing this:
echo "rootpassword" | sudo program
So, I think it would be easy to argue that malware is not my biggest problem as a mac user.
Actually, you'd be surprised at the winners of this war.
The dreamcast had this capability out of the box. I know a few people that don't otherwise have a computer, but send me email through that little white box. I've used it a few times to surf from the living room, but it's found a permanent place in my closet until I get the hankering to boot a unix on it again.:P
I believe there is a setup for the XBox as well, and there are still plenty of WebTV users - ask any guy in tech support at a reasonably sized ISP.
It may not be the large market they expected, but the market they were looking to attract did bite hard.
- A shell with a modern, standard unix toolkit. For all intents and purposes, it could just wire me straight into a text interface that lets me launch ssh connections complete with keys.
- Ability to launch GUI applications.
Everything else is for games or servers. Ideally, I'd like to have a nice interface, which is why I got a mac. But in reality, most of the cycles I use happen on a FreeBSD box about 20 miles from here.
That said, contorting the current web to perform applications (such as MAIL CLIENTS or DOCUMENT EDITORS) which were not meant for it is pretty freaking silly. And mucking with apache guts until they output "hey, buy this shit!" is what I do for a living.
Not intended as a troll, but I'd be impressed if Fedora can run on this thing. Fedora with it's default GUI is inarguably HUGE in the resource department. Of course, a similar setup in FreeBSD would be no different, it's just that FBSD won't force this on you (neither will Fedora technically, but FreeBSD will be more up-front about it).
It'd be pretty cool if someone shaped a distro complete with GUI (a FreeBSD sub-install would be welcome, too) that was built to take advantage of smaller computers like this. In the last 6 years or so I've taken to installing as little as possible (Debian's 30M base or FreeBSD's "minimal") and working up from there, because the amount of stuff that the alternative brings is either a package selection nightmare or an exercise in seeing how much disk space will be wasted on unused applications.
That said, one of these machines would make a great hobby server.
Also, your "memory" argument is horribly subjective and littered with logical fallacies. The whole paragraph can be deconstructed to mean, "any word has any meaning at any time depending on the person and topic". It makes no attempt to account for situations where topics are ambiguous. In fact, one would say that the argument is pretentious as it pretends to ignore the fact that pretention, is indeed, a word that takes multiple connotations by your axiom in itself.
Especially when people sell their characters on eBay.
Seriously, NWN is really the only video game which I've seen that take the "role playing" portion of RPG and actually makes it happen.
And I'm partially proud and ashamed to admit to beating every main final fantasy title released, some of the japanese versions long before they came out in the states. Until NWN, everything else has been an "interactive story", and until people realize that a very intrinsic part of role playing is to alter the plot in real-time, video games will always suffer.
A lot of "role players" today seem to think that "role playing" means "glorification of mythical beings". One can easily see the effect in the stereotypes of D&D and Vampire players.
I guess I was lucky to be "reared" by other players who felt that "role playing" was less "playing" and more "acting".
I've played characters I despise and characters that I honor. I get to learn something from each of them. It's pretty damned sad to see that you and I are a rare, or at least quiet and disassociated breed.
Then again, someone told me a few days ago after I had mentioned I thought Starship Troopers was a good book that they thought it was a great criticism on totalitarian government.
I laughed - yes, they had only seen the warped joke of a movie.
I agree with the majority of your assessments but it's futile to please everyone. If the objecting group actually acted and let the developer know that they are no longer going to support this kind of action, they would get somewhere. If they send in that silent approval every month, they will have to raise quite the stir to have the same effect.
It's all I will argue on this situation. Personally, I feel that there is a time and place for sexism, and humor and role-play are some of them. Of course, you are more than welcome to disagree with my consent or not, but understand that I will go elsewhere if I feel strongly enough about the topic, while our poster in question will complain loudly and still send in his check, citing that the developer has some kind of obligation.
Ghandi did this, and at least once a month you hear about a union doing it. It's called a strike, and as I'm sure you can attest to is very effective. The world's most effective way of getting what you want is through direct, non-violent protest.
I'm curious, do the history majors spend a lot of time studying more than the lives of philosophers? Not a slam, I really am curious. It seems that while everyone can recount what their professor said about The Republic, but can never seem to recount the words in the content itself that made him say it, or worse, what those words mean to them.
What's even funnier is that everyone argues about liberty but most of them have never read On Liberty, the inspiration for a good portion of the writing in the Declaration of Independence. But everyone knows that first sentence.
For the love of god, get off your high horse. Do the phrases, "you can't carpet the world, you might as well wear shoes", or, "they paved paradise to put up a parking lot" mean anything to you? The proprietors of those phrases are wealthy people for a reason.
I'd love to hear what you have to say about city of heroes, where ALL the female characters look like pornstars in spandex. But that's a "family" game.
Personally, I'm insulted that there is an inaccurate representation of [group] in MMORPG's. As a [member of group] myself, I feel the misrepresentation of [traits of those who define the group] is horrific, and I feel the need to subject my opinion on everyone else.
Fill in the blanks the next time you want to complain, and save developers some time so they can write a regular expression to ignore your pompous ass.
Recycling water is kind of a joke in the fact that it is already recycled, many times over.
Water doesn't leave the earth, it doesn't just "magically" disappear. It gets reworked into the earth through a very complex process with stages so simple, it gets taught in the third grade here in the states. I imagine you already know this, as public education standards here in the states blow ass in comparison to the rest of the world.
I would spend less time promoting a natural process and perhaps more concentrating on the quality of the synthetic process in comparison to earth's. Realistically, the next time you have a glass of water, realize that at some point it's very likely that it was urine, regardless of the invention of this process. I'll take the earth's filtration any day over something man made.
Personally, I blame overpopulation, especially in parts of the world that weren't really ideal to house humans, and modern plumbing (and the cost of it) doesn't help much. But it's kind of hard to fault anyone for getting their freak on.
While it's pretty insulting to be called a "fag" while I'm playing counter-strike, I'm not there to have a discussion on the empowerment of the homosexual in modern society.......I'm there to put a fucking 7.68mm through your skull.
BTW, if you're looking for online role playing groups that actually know what role playing is, (as opposed to clicking 'attack' every 5 seconds) you should check out some of the NWN groups out there - some of them are pretty good.
I enjoy FFXI as well, but mostly for the questing. Most of the "role players" there I think would fit in great at a furry convention.
Sigh. Damn, the "please please me" group is out in force today.
The company has no responsibility to cater to your whims. You have no responsibility to buy their product. In the case of a subscription, you buy their product each month. Were you unhappy before this happened? Does the current event change your view of this prior purchase? Can it, logically? Not really. Just because you decided to invest in something that has no material good, is, again, nobody's fault but yours.
Did you ever think that I, as another customer, welcome the immersion that a sexist character brings to a game like this? What if I belong to the majority? What if the majority could give a shit less about your view? Is your view really that important at that point?
Cancel your subscription and get all the people that agree with you to do so as well. If the company really feels that the loss of your payments is worth changing the game, they will do so. It's called "voting with your wallet", as opposed to "complaining loudly when you're not getting what you want". The latter is an effective tool when you're 4 and you really want that candy bar, but not in the real world.
After reading a book, do you write a scathing letter to it's author asking for your money back when you read something that wasn't on the back cover and just happened to disagree with your world view? I would hope not.
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This happens all the time. Ask a 56k user how much CS he plays after steam was released. At least you can still play the damn game you paid for.
I'm starting to get the feeling that video games aren't something you play very often, but writing inane, poorly formed comments are.
ok, s/Ghandi did this, and at//
My argument still balances perfectly, but thanks for the history lesson. The only union strike that I can think of that didn't have union consent to back down was GWB's fiasco with the Pilot strike.
Since you managed to invoke Godwin's law, I no longer feel the need to respect your intelligence. :)
:)
Uh, have you noticed the amount of games that include characters that blow up Jews? The first "popular" first person shooter, "Wolfenstein 3D", did just that. Despite the bad graphics by today's standards, the swastika and picures of Hitler were all over the place. In the sequel, you defeat Heinrich Himmler. The game's content had to be significantly reworked for German audiences, because the laws there forbid such conntent. The DOOM series consistently throws images known as satanic or derived from occult topics such as thelema. And with the glut of WWII games today, I think you're pretty off-base. These games include some of the most vile characters in myth and history and I get to point a gun at them. I see nothing wrong with that. Some would say the G-Man in Half-Life was significantly more evil.
And to bring insult to injury, while I certainly know that there are Jewish people that would like to eradicate all knowledge of the holocaust, I also know many who either simply don't relate a game to something real or find it as a good outlet to vent on something that is in reality the effigy of all that is wrong with racism.
Counter-Strike pits Terrorists against Counter-Terrorists, and got quite a bit of flak after September 11th (it came out years before). My mother (who lives in florida now, proceed with jokes) had no concept of why I would want to play such a game, especially "the side of the Terrorists". She didn't like my "they have more powerful guns" argument either. I failed to mention that the CT's generally have more accurate ones, but it was good for a laugh.
OTOH, look at Kingpin, who's selling point was that you were a gangbanger, or Postal, who's selling point was that you were a postal worker gone mad and on a killing spree. These games really had no redeeming qualities other than their controversal theme and while fun for about 10 minutes took an express trip to the bargain bin. So, voting with your wallet worked in this scenario. Postal 2 was a much better game (creative use of sick and twisted things) and I attempted to play most of it, but it too got monotonous.
On your "Star Trek" comparison, I don't think you and Roddenberry had the same idea when he created Captain Kirk and "Number One" (I never got into the shows, I can't remember his name). Both were womanizing characters on the show. So if you were trying to make a point that a utopian society still includes these creatures, you definitely succeeded.
Manhunt was the most boring game I have ever played.
Interesting! Thanks for the link.
While I will admit this is a stretch, it does depend on the situation.
And if there are enough people being denied medical service, they will vote to raise medical funding.
Simple, really.
And the reality, is that only the largest apps do that.
Really, I have over 200 apps on this machine and I can count on one hand (from memory) which ones used installers.
Emacs, XCode, Cisco VPNClient. Sorry, 3.
Everything else is standard mac fare, open DMG, drag n' drop and get to something more interesting.
That said, some of the programs ask for root after they're installed, which I think is a larger problem. A couple of "tweak" utilities that I use to do things which apple buries or makes hard to use do this. I even found one doing this:
echo "rootpassword" | sudo program
So, I think it would be easy to argue that malware is not my biggest problem as a mac user.
Actually, you'd be surprised at the winners of this war.
:P
The dreamcast had this capability out of the box. I know a few people that don't otherwise have a computer, but send me email through that little white box. I've used it a few times to surf from the living room, but it's found a permanent place in my closet until I get the hankering to boot a unix on it again.
I believe there is a setup for the XBox as well, and there are still plenty of WebTV users - ask any guy in tech support at a reasonably sized ISP.
It may not be the large market they expected, but the market they were looking to attract did bite hard.
This is what I really need in a desktop computer:
- A shell with a modern, standard unix toolkit. For all intents and purposes, it could just wire me straight into a text interface that lets me launch ssh connections complete with keys.
- Ability to launch GUI applications.
Everything else is for games or servers. Ideally, I'd like to have a nice interface, which is why I got a mac. But in reality, most of the cycles I use happen on a FreeBSD box about 20 miles from here.
That said, contorting the current web to perform applications (such as MAIL CLIENTS or DOCUMENT EDITORS) which were not meant for it is pretty freaking silly. And mucking with apache guts until they output "hey, buy this shit!" is what I do for a living.
Ever heard of X?
Before you whipper-snappers were taught java, some of us were writing programs in Emacs on HP machines that were running CDE over XDMCP.
Yeah, it sucked.
I know this is tongue in c... .... too easy.
Heh, but apparently learning how to do it isn't. Funny how that works.
Not intended as a troll, but I'd be impressed if Fedora can run on this thing. Fedora with it's default GUI is inarguably HUGE in the resource department. Of course, a similar setup in FreeBSD would be no different, it's just that FBSD won't force this on you (neither will Fedora technically, but FreeBSD will be more up-front about it).
It'd be pretty cool if someone shaped a distro complete with GUI (a FreeBSD sub-install would be welcome, too) that was built to take advantage of smaller computers like this. In the last 6 years or so I've taken to installing as little as possible (Debian's 30M base or FreeBSD's "minimal") and working up from there, because the amount of stuff that the alternative brings is either a package selection nightmare or an exercise in seeing how much disk space will be wasted on unused applications.
That said, one of these machines would make a great hobby server.
There are no absolutes, including absolute meaning and absolute truth.
Not providing an argument, but this is basically Solipsism, as if there are no absolutes then reality itself can be contested.
Also, your "memory" argument is horribly subjective and littered with logical fallacies. The whole paragraph can be deconstructed to mean, "any word has any meaning at any time depending on the person and topic". It makes no attempt to account for situations where topics are ambiguous. In fact, one would say that the argument is pretentious as it pretends to ignore the fact that pretention, is indeed, a word that takes multiple connotations by your axiom in itself.
Thanks,
Your local philosopher king.
It's customary to capitalize philosophical concepts which share names with common words. Sophist, for example.
I imagine this is where the GP's confusions stems from, even if it's acted out.
Especially when people sell their characters on eBay.
Seriously, NWN is really the only video game which I've seen that take the "role playing" portion of RPG and actually makes it happen.
And I'm partially proud and ashamed to admit to beating every main final fantasy title released, some of the japanese versions long before they came out in the states. Until NWN, everything else has been an "interactive story", and until people realize that a very intrinsic part of role playing is to alter the plot in real-time, video games will always suffer.
I hate to rub it in, but I deserve this enjoyment. Now that you've wasted all your hot air, it seems you've come down to earth.
praedor,
A lot of "role players" today seem to think that "role playing" means "glorification of mythical beings". One can easily see the effect in the stereotypes of D&D and Vampire players.
I guess I was lucky to be "reared" by other players who felt that "role playing" was less "playing" and more "acting".
I've played characters I despise and characters that I honor. I get to learn something from each of them. It's pretty damned sad to see that you and I are a rare, or at least quiet and disassociated breed.
Then again, someone told me a few days ago after I had mentioned I thought Starship Troopers was a good book that they thought it was a great criticism on totalitarian government.
I laughed - yes, they had only seen the warped joke of a movie.
I agree with the majority of your assessments but it's futile to please everyone. If the objecting group actually acted and let the developer know that they are no longer going to support this kind of action, they would get somewhere. If they send in that silent approval every month, they will have to raise quite the stir to have the same effect.
It's all I will argue on this situation. Personally, I feel that there is a time and place for sexism, and humor and role-play are some of them. Of course, you are more than welcome to disagree with my consent or not, but understand that I will go elsewhere if I feel strongly enough about the topic, while our poster in question will complain loudly and still send in his check, citing that the developer has some kind of obligation.
Ghandi did this, and at least once a month you hear about a union doing it. It's called a strike, and as I'm sure you can attest to is very effective. The world's most effective way of getting what you want is through direct, non-violent protest.
I'm curious, do the history majors spend a lot of time studying more than the lives of philosophers? Not a slam, I really am curious. It seems that while everyone can recount what their professor said about The Republic, but can never seem to recount the words in the content itself that made him say it, or worse, what those words mean to them.
What's even funnier is that everyone argues about liberty but most of them have never read On Liberty, the inspiration for a good portion of the writing in the Declaration of Independence. But everyone knows that first sentence.
In other parts of the world, beef is offensive.
In others, certain colors are offensive.
For the love of god, get off your high horse. Do the phrases, "you can't carpet the world, you might as well wear shoes", or, "they paved paradise to put up a parking lot" mean anything to you? The proprietors of those phrases are wealthy people for a reason.
I'd love to hear what you have to say about city of heroes, where ALL the female characters look like pornstars in spandex. But that's a "family" game.
Personally, I'm insulted that there is an inaccurate representation of [group] in MMORPG's. As a [member of group] myself, I feel the misrepresentation of [traits of those who define the group] is horrific, and I feel the need to subject my opinion on everyone else.
Fill in the blanks the next time you want to complain, and save developers some time so they can write a regular expression to ignore your pompous ass.
You have no responsibility to buy their product.
Since you quoted the rest of my post I figured I'd help you fill in the obvious crack you left out.
Recycling water is kind of a joke in the fact that it is already recycled, many times over.
Water doesn't leave the earth, it doesn't just "magically" disappear. It gets reworked into the earth through a very complex process with stages so simple, it gets taught in the third grade here in the states. I imagine you already know this, as public education standards here in the states blow ass in comparison to the rest of the world.
I would spend less time promoting a natural process and perhaps more concentrating on the quality of the synthetic process in comparison to earth's. Realistically, the next time you have a glass of water, realize that at some point it's very likely that it was urine, regardless of the invention of this process. I'll take the earth's filtration any day over something man made.
Personally, I blame overpopulation, especially in parts of the world that weren't really ideal to house humans, and modern plumbing (and the cost of it) doesn't help much. But it's kind of hard to fault anyone for getting their freak on.
If "nothing" is a sense of pride that material possession takes second place to duty to society, I'll take a giant heap of "nothing", please.
Wow, much better than my post.
...I'm there to put a fucking 7.68mm through your skull.
While it's pretty insulting to be called a "fag" while I'm playing counter-strike, I'm not there to have a discussion on the empowerment of the homosexual in modern society....
BTW, if you're looking for online role playing groups that actually know what role playing is, (as opposed to clicking 'attack' every 5 seconds) you should check out some of the NWN groups out there - some of them are pretty good.
I enjoy FFXI as well, but mostly for the questing. Most of the "role players" there I think would fit in great at a furry convention.
Sigh. Damn, the "please please me" group is out in force today.
The company has no responsibility to cater to your whims. You have no responsibility to buy their product. In the case of a subscription, you buy their product each month. Were you unhappy before this happened? Does the current event change your view of this prior purchase? Can it, logically? Not really. Just because you decided to invest in something that has no material good, is, again, nobody's fault but yours.
Did you ever think that I, as another customer, welcome the immersion that a sexist character brings to a game like this? What if I belong to the majority? What if the majority could give a shit less about your view? Is your view really that important at that point?
Cancel your subscription and get all the people that agree with you to do so as well. If the company really feels that the loss of your payments is worth changing the game, they will do so. It's called "voting with your wallet", as opposed to "complaining loudly when you're not getting what you want". The latter is an effective tool when you're 4 and you really want that candy bar, but not in the real world.
After reading a book, do you write a scathing letter to it's author asking for your money back when you read something that wasn't on the back cover and just happened to disagree with your world view? I would hope not.