He's not saying that the GTK optimisation was the problem that caused the delay... he's saying that the GTK speedup is needed NOW instead of 9 months from now and that's a problem BECAUSE of the delay.
I see what you're saying... I really do. But I really don't see Open Source as a competitor in the marketplace so much as a watchdog for private, for-profit software houses.
Hobbiests (open source) continue to develop software that attempts to nip at the heels of the likes of Microsoft. If FOSS is able to overtake these software packages in terms of overall ease of use and features, then eventually people will choose to switch over. These companies (obviously) don't want that, and it keeps them continually adding, fixing, and changing their own software.
People/companies want the features... but they want to get them from a large corporation (standards, long-term reliability...etc). FOSS keeps the corporations on their toes.;)
Just like nobody really expects a third party candidate to win... they're just there to push agendas.
But in the end you're not really competing with open source... you're competing for bragging rights if anything.
It's free and open source... why would anyone want to be the best except to brag about it.
L1 "My free sandwich is better!!" L2 "Nuh uh!! Mine is better! See! I used lettuce and ham!!" L1 "Well IIII used bologna!!" M "Well mine is better than both of yours." L1 "What's in it?" M "Well here just have a taste." L2 "This is soooo fattening..." M "Well yes... that's where the flavor comes from." L1 "People pay for this?!?!" M "Yep... I'll be in my mansion if you want to buy some more for your carboard box."
What I fail to understand is why this topic... either way... absolutely MUST be taught to kids who simply don't need to be taught it yet.
The theory of the origin of diversity on this planet (be it Evo or ID) is a somewhat irrelevant part of a child's education before he/she gets to college. It's not as though they teach you much beyond the theory of evolution in high school. Kids don't need to know this in order to take sophomore, junior, or senior courses... It's just some little tidbit (as I remember it was just a chapter that we covered and were tested on... then never saw again). We did quite a bit on genetics and that whole topic, and evolution was just a sideline.
WHY does this topic need to be covered in high school? I aim this at both sides of the debate.
Christians don't want the schools teaching their children that their family tradition is meaningless and stupid.
Scientists and teachers don't want to be forced to present something that doesn't have a place in a science classroom.
This is very easy to solve... just don't teach the topic in high school. Save it for college where it's appropriate... where you can teach theories to people who have a better understanding of what 'theory' means; Where controversy is just par for the course.
I believe that Christians are misguided in insisting that ID be taught in science classrooms... but I think that this particular theory could very easily be avoided until college without lessening the high school education experience.
Everyone SHOULD be happy with this. Except that the evolutionists won't be. "That's preposterous!! I refuse to see the other side of the argument!! I'm right and furthermore everyone should know it!! Kids need to know MY theory RIGHT NOW before they start to believe what their own family wants them to believe!!"
OSS gets branched and forked into a chaotic clusterfuck and it's all about 'choices'.
Microsoft decides to follow some particular branch (or their own) in their own software... that NONE OF YOU USE (or will admit to using) and you get all pissy. Get the sand out of your vagina.*
* not aimed squarely at the parent but at the majority of posters in general...
"How about if you try to look into facts before shooting your mouth off?"
This was undiplomatic at best. If you know something better than someone else... then just explain to them where they're mistaken. There's no need to be an lemur's ass about it.
I just really want one of these guys to tell a kid "Fear is a path to the Darkside. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to suffering...." with that damn smirk
The big point of the article isn't "wow they were herbivores". The point was that they were eating grass... along with other vegitation. If they're digestive tract (in this case, teeth) could handle the cellulose in other plant matter, then there's nothing too strange about them eating grass, aside from the part where we didn't know grass even existed durring this time period.... and that was from the summary!;o)
It's just the concept that higher priced 'stuff' tends to get more press and/or public envy. A song that is generating ALOT of money (higher pricepoint) will be promoted more (on the likes of MTV) than a.99 song that isn't bringing in as much. Simple economics.
A while back a friend of mine was telling me about a particular purse that she was trying to sell in her store... $10.00 for a rather plain purse... they stayed on the shelves for months. Finally she instructed one of her employees to mark them down to $7.00. Apparently there was a misscommunication and the purses were marked UP to $70.00. They flew off the shelves. She sold em all within 2 weeks. Price playes a HUGE part in public perception of value.
OO.org is clunky, slow, bloatware. Why should it load the entire package just to load the word processor? Just because it's free dosen't mean it's better. Fancy icons and pretty graphics make software more comforting to the end-user... even if it dosen't enhance else. Office is also the standard, which means that people will (in all likelyhood) be used to it already.
that's retarded. Take stock of your friends and family... then tell me how many of them would 'fight to the death' in the face of a terrorist hijacking. The crew will probably follow proceedure, which I'm sure has had a huge overhaul in a post 911 world... but in general people are scared sheep. Just look at what people are willing to give up to 'be safe'. Nobody wants to fight. lol
not really.... the purpose of this particular thread was the moron who declared that there would never be another airplane hijacking again, and my derision of such a stupid karma-damning statement.
Has nothing to do with personal liberties or freedom.
To give kids a paperweight with so many un-useable options and potential failure points that they will never boot?
A computer running linux is all but worthless in training kids to use computers in a modern work environment. The purpose isn't to train them to all be network admins (just like we don't need 5billion trashmen or CEOs). The purpose is to train them to be comfortable with computers in such a way as is valuble to them in the future.
This is meant to teach them to USE computers to get things done... not to teach them how to do meaningless things that they can then brag about to their friends (I recompiled my kernel today!!! I managed to install the updated driver for my keyboard!!!).
Does a recent version of MS Office run on this distro out of the box? If it dosen't then it's worthless to anyone trying to gain skills that will be useful in an office environment. And no... OO.org dosen't cut it.
I will never understand why so many people are to willing (nay EAGER) to throw away so many hours of their lives to battle with their computers to accomplish tasks which are so trivially easy on the two real OS's (OSX and Windows... not nessicarily in any order).
I can tinker with my OS... yay... cuz like... it can mow the grass and shit... and like... i installed it on my watch... and like... I spent three weeks installing my webca.... SHUTUP!
Any closed-minded linux moron who bashes modern MS products clearly hasn't used it in a while. The BSOD is a very rare occurance now-a-days. I can't remember the last time I've seen it... 2 years? give or take
My machine has been on 24/7 under heavy everyday use in a variety of arenas (gaming, graphics, video/sound editing... etc). Don't even recall the last time I had to reboot...
Oh! Did I mention virus free? I don't even have any virus protection software installed. I run clamAV every few months just to make sure but I generally don't know what the fuss is about viruses... or spyware. Just don't install the shit.::shrug::
Oh! Did I mention that I haven't had to recompile my kernel EVER? And my drivers just have to be double-clicked... done. Sometimes you click 'next' a few times. I'm so glad ALL of the various OS's figured that out a long time ago... it would be rediculous if you still had to access the console and install your various drivers by hand... making sure all of the files are in the right places and such...
Ooooohhh... ya'll still do that? haha
It's like trying to drive across the country in a model-t... it might be fun to drive around main-street just to show off that you have it and it's actually running.... but you wouldn't want to go on a cross-country road-trip.
Linux has always felt like a house of cards to me. It works wonderfully as long as you don't touch it. But if you pull out one card and the whole thing crumbles. At least with windows I don't worry about it suddenly deciding not to boot every time I hit power.
I agree... and at the same time disagree. Both Sony and Microsoft are huge companies... in most companies this size they would have disjointed projects with disjointed agendas. But both of these particular companies have such a huge push for integration... if you look at any sony product, they honestly leverage every one of their technologies (all proprietary of course) in every new product. The consoles use technologies developed in the same sony DRM lab that the music and/or video departments are using. I really don't think you can pull the "hand doesn't know what the feet are doing" argument. But then I'm just talking out of my ass so don't mind me.;o)
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He's not saying that the GTK optimisation was the problem that caused the delay... he's saying that the GTK speedup is needed NOW instead of 9 months from now and that's a problem BECAUSE of the delay.
aww... he'th got LISP... don't be thuch a big thilly buns!!!
I see what you're saying... I really do. But I really don't see Open Source as a competitor in the marketplace so much as a watchdog for private, for-profit software houses.
;)
Hobbiests (open source) continue to develop software that attempts to nip at the heels of the likes of Microsoft. If FOSS is able to overtake these software packages in terms of overall ease of use and features, then eventually people will choose to switch over. These companies (obviously) don't want that, and it keeps them continually adding, fixing, and changing their own software.
People/companies want the features... but they want to get them from a large corporation (standards, long-term reliability...etc). FOSS keeps the corporations on their toes.
Just like nobody really expects a third party candidate to win... they're just there to push agendas.
But in the end you're not really competing with open source... you're competing for bragging rights if anything.
It's free and open source... why would anyone want to be the best except to brag about it.
L1 "My free sandwich is better!!"
L2 "Nuh uh!! Mine is better! See! I used lettuce and ham!!"
L1 "Well IIII used bologna!!"
M "Well mine is better than both of yours."
L1 "What's in it?"
M "Well here just have a taste."
L2 "This is soooo fattening..."
M "Well yes... that's where the flavor comes from."
L1 "People pay for this?!?!"
M "Yep... I'll be in my mansion if you want to buy some more for your carboard box."
What I fail to understand is why this topic... either way... absolutely MUST be taught to kids who simply don't need to be taught it yet.
The theory of the origin of diversity on this planet (be it Evo or ID) is a somewhat irrelevant part of a child's education before he/she gets to college. It's not as though they teach you much beyond the theory of evolution in high school. Kids don't need to know this in order to take sophomore, junior, or senior courses... It's just some little tidbit (as I remember it was just a chapter that we covered and were tested on... then never saw again). We did quite a bit on genetics and that whole topic, and evolution was just a sideline.
WHY does this topic need to be covered in high school? I aim this at both sides of the debate.
Christians don't want the schools teaching their children that their family tradition is meaningless and stupid.
Scientists and teachers don't want to be forced to present something that doesn't have a place in a science classroom.
This is very easy to solve... just don't teach the topic in high school. Save it for college where it's appropriate... where you can teach theories to people who have a better understanding of what 'theory' means; Where controversy is just par for the course.
I believe that Christians are misguided in insisting that ID be taught in science classrooms... but I think that this particular theory could very easily be avoided until college without lessening the high school education experience.
Everyone SHOULD be happy with this. Except that the evolutionists won't be. "That's preposterous!! I refuse to see the other side of the argument!! I'm right and furthermore everyone should know it!! Kids need to know MY theory RIGHT NOW before they start to believe what their own family wants them to believe!!"
So you're not fat as the queen of all sea cows anymore?
OSS gets branched and forked into a chaotic clusterfuck and it's all about 'choices'.
Microsoft decides to follow some particular branch (or their own) in their own software... that NONE OF YOU USE (or will admit to using) and you get all pissy. Get the sand out of your vagina.*
* not aimed squarely at the parent but at the majority of posters in general...
In other news... china is making all KINDS of cheap ripoff products! Oakleys, golf-clubs, movie bootlegs... horey sheet!
"How about if you try to look into facts before shooting your mouth off?"
This was undiplomatic at best. If you know something better than someone else... then just explain to them where they're mistaken. There's no need to be an lemur's ass about it.
I just really want one of these guys to tell a kid "Fear is a path to the Darkside. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to suffering...." with that damn smirk
The big point of the article isn't "wow they were herbivores". The point was that they were eating grass... along with other vegitation. If they're digestive tract (in this case, teeth) could handle the cellulose in other plant matter, then there's nothing too strange about them eating grass, aside from the part where we didn't know grass even existed durring this time period.... and that was from the summary! ;o)
aaaaannnnnnndddddd they call it closed mindednesss!!!!!!!
*to the tune of whatever I feel like at the time*
well then perhaps I need more original friends ;) still applies tho
Ooh! They should also FORCE Coke to release the recipie for their money making soft-drinks. It's not fair that we all can't make our own coke.
Don't be a moron.
It's just the concept that higher priced 'stuff' tends to get more press and/or public envy. A song that is generating ALOT of money (higher pricepoint) will be promoted more (on the likes of MTV) than a .99 song that isn't bringing in as much. Simple economics.
A while back a friend of mine was telling me about a particular purse that she was trying to sell in her store... $10.00 for a rather plain purse... they stayed on the shelves for months. Finally she instructed one of her employees to mark them down to $7.00. Apparently there was a misscommunication and the purses were marked UP to $70.00. They flew off the shelves. She sold em all within 2 weeks. Price playes a HUGE part in public perception of value.
speaking of brainwashing...
OO.org is clunky, slow, bloatware. Why should it load the entire package just to load the word processor? Just because it's free dosen't mean it's better. Fancy icons and pretty graphics make software more comforting to the end-user... even if it dosen't enhance else. Office is also the standard, which means that people will (in all likelyhood) be used to it already.
"Billions and billions of devices that will service these people."
I should go get one...
hahahaha!
that's retarded. Take stock of your friends and family... then tell me how many of them would 'fight to the death' in the face of a terrorist hijacking. The crew will probably follow proceedure, which I'm sure has had a huge overhaul in a post 911 world... but in general people are scared sheep. Just look at what people are willing to give up to 'be safe'. Nobody wants to fight. lol
not really.... the purpose of this particular thread was the moron who declared that there would never be another airplane hijacking again, and my derision of such a stupid karma-damning statement.
Has nothing to do with personal liberties or freedom.
Because these folks like Linux and open source projects even if it means they have to jimmy-rig the entire network on a shoestring and potato-chips.
Actually I think the price is the key factor here... they want to upgrade but Office 2003 is too much...
But you make a good point... OfficeXP is lightyears ahead of OO.org.
hahahahaha
"yeah that was horrible... but that's the PAST!! It'll never happen again! It can't happen again! We're smarter now!!"
You're just begging your karma to grab a plane from the sky and smash it into your home.
To give kids a paperweight with so many un-useable options and potential failure points that they will never boot?
A computer running linux is all but worthless in training kids to use computers in a modern work environment. The purpose isn't to train them to all be network admins (just like we don't need 5billion trashmen or CEOs). The purpose is to train them to be comfortable with computers in such a way as is valuble to them in the future.
This is meant to teach them to USE computers to get things done... not to teach them how to do meaningless things that they can then brag about to their friends (I recompiled my kernel today!!! I managed to install the updated driver for my keyboard!!!).
Does a recent version of MS Office run on this distro out of the box? If it dosen't then it's worthless to anyone trying to gain skills that will be useful in an office environment. And no... OO.org dosen't cut it.
I will never understand why so many people are to willing (nay EAGER) to throw away so many hours of their lives to battle with their computers to accomplish tasks which are so trivially easy on the two real OS's (OSX and Windows... not nessicarily in any order).
I can tinker with my OS... yay... cuz like... it can mow the grass and shit... and like... i installed it on my watch... and like... I spent three weeks installing my webca.... SHUTUP!
I'm with you...
::shrug::
Any closed-minded linux moron who bashes modern MS products clearly hasn't used it in a while. The BSOD is a very rare occurance now-a-days. I can't remember the last time I've seen it... 2 years? give or take
My machine has been on 24/7 under heavy everyday use in a variety of arenas (gaming, graphics, video/sound editing... etc). Don't even recall the last time I had to reboot...
Oh! Did I mention virus free? I don't even have any virus protection software installed. I run clamAV every few months just to make sure but I generally don't know what the fuss is about viruses... or spyware. Just don't install the shit.
Oh! Did I mention that I haven't had to recompile my kernel EVER? And my drivers just have to be double-clicked... done. Sometimes you click 'next' a few times. I'm so glad ALL of the various OS's figured that out a long time ago... it would be rediculous if you still had to access the console and install your various drivers by hand... making sure all of the files are in the right places and such...
Ooooohhh... ya'll still do that? haha
It's like trying to drive across the country in a model-t... it might be fun to drive around main-street just to show off that you have it and it's actually running.... but you wouldn't want to go on a cross-country road-trip.
Linux has always felt like a house of cards to me. It works wonderfully as long as you don't touch it. But if you pull out one card and the whole thing crumbles. At least with windows I don't worry about it suddenly deciding not to boot every time I hit power.
This is the option you're being presented with:
"Would you rather have a free BMW or a free cardboard box with wheels drawn on the sides?"
They picked the box.
I agree... and at the same time disagree. Both Sony and Microsoft are huge companies... in most companies this size they would have disjointed projects with disjointed agendas. But both of these particular companies have such a huge push for integration... if you look at any sony product, they honestly leverage every one of their technologies (all proprietary of course) in every new product. The consoles use technologies developed in the same sony DRM lab that the music and/or video departments are using. I really don't think you can pull the "hand doesn't know what the feet are doing" argument. But then I'm just talking out of my ass so don't mind me. ;o)