...were people still proportionally this freaked by Pearl Harbor in the 1950's?
Hell sonny, I was in Pearl in 1950! I was the Engineer's Mate on PT-73: otherwise know as the USS Jack Kennedy at the time. *wheezes, and hitches pants up above socks as eyes glaze over*
Eh? Who are you, again?
On a more serious note, my maternal grand mother still held a grudge against the Japanese from WW2 up into the 1980's when she died. She claimed one of her brothers was a POW, and getting back stateside after release, he died from eating his first 'decent' meal since being a POW.
To more precisely answer your question, I would say that if you rounded up a pool of the U.S.A. public from that era, you would get a wide range of answers.
Look at more recent examples that have a bigger pool of data: Korean War Vietnam War Panama New Grenada 1st Iraqi war(Kuwait) Murray Bldg. in Oklahoma and numerous 'terrorist attacks', both foreign and domestic since the 1950's, cont. on until present 9/11 'War on Terror'...ongoing Afghanistan...ongoing 2nd Iraqi war...ongoing The current debate and fury over the mosque in NYC...ongoing
Pick your poison.
Assuming I 'got the drift' of your comment, if I were you I'd concentrate on 9/11, Afghanistan War, 2nd Iraqi War, the 'War on Terror', and the mosque debate for your answers. My impression is that we are just as vindictive AND apathetic now as they were then, sadly. My experience has supported this opinion, but I may be biased too...YMMV.
BTW, I'm 52, soon to be 53 years old. I 'lurked' here quite a while before I got my/. UID, but I did watch too much "McHale's Navy" in my younger days!
Who is this 'Margaret Thatcher' person? A National scion? A Galactic scion? A Universe scion?
Maybe she's a big fish in a small brane, but she is irrelevant in this 'here and now'. Past history, old chap. *Hint: yer references shouldn't come from ONE reference/source...it displays yer cause/agenda like a badge...Deal With It!*
quote>...LBJ was probably our worst President ever...
Thank you for that!:-)
This is NOT a pro-Republican rant: Nixon, despite his flaws, was actually good for this country. YMMV.
I see Obama and his 'Change' campaign in a similar light: We have a Black President now. The rest of the world rejoiced that it wasn't a Dubya clone. Some of the Dubya era legacy stays intact, some of it disappears.
Is it ideal? No,IMHO, but it sets the stage. Frankly, this next presidential election both intrigues me, and scares me. We need to subvert the two party system somehow...
[emphasis mine] Don't you mean the people they deform?;-)
Yeah, I know...you can spell, assuming that was a misspelling. R U shur?(I think that the odds of your assumption being correct, are overwhelmingly in your favour)
Sometimes pedantry can clarify an issue, but admittedly, most times it just 'stirs up the puddle'.
BTW, you make a valid point. *hint: no mod points currently*
Oh crap! That sounds exactly like where I'm at: central/north Oklahoma.
I guess I could go with a 768/128Kbs DSL service, but I watch a lot of online video[www.animefreak.tv], and like to host a Battlefield 1942 co-op server over the internet. Don't know if that would work. I could go with the higher cost[the above mentioned 768/128 service is about $20] 1.5Mbs/768Kbs service at around $36-40, which is about what I'm paying now for the access to the internet, but my cable TV would go up $5-10.
My wife would kill me![1] I'm still debating to myself as to which is the most viable option.;-)
[1] Yes, in spite of the/. stereotype, I managed to find one that not only was my 'intellectual equal', but also yang to my yin.
Now she is a half-basement dweller, and half-real world walker...and does well at both;
Really and Truly®. and Honest to ®, and Cross My Heart®, I would not mislead you.
*hint: I'm on suddenlink.net*
And I call double bollocks on your '...so your reasoning is bollocks.' statement.
A) From the fine article:
"The dark color, rounded texture and the way it is perched on the surface all make it look like an iron meteorite," said science-team member Matt Golombek of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory...
and:
Opportunity has found four iron meteorites during the rover's exploration of the Meridiani Planum region of Mars since early 2004. Examination of these rocks has provided information about the Martian atmosphere, as well as the meteorites themselves, NASA stated.
So they have seen this before, and have some good people checking this stuff out.
All we know about this is that what appears to be a meteorite sitting there.
If you bothered to actually look at the pics the AC linked to(especially the second link- note the Big Fscking Rock that this meteorite happens to be perched on, and the prevalence of rocks making up the surface in the immediate area.
We don't know that it didn't bounce or roll there- no telling when it got there, the planetary conditions at the time it arrived- maybe Mars had a thicker atmosphere then, whether it impacted there or is it just a fragment of something else that landed there. Who knows yet?
B) See above (re: the second link) about the rocky ground, and particularly, the previously mentioned rock this thing is perched on. How long has it been there to show that much erosion? What caused the erosion? Where did it come from? Where did it actually impact, and at what speed and trajectory?
emphasis mine.... Perhaps you were trying for 'fraught'? [ie: filled/full of- fraught is an old 'cargo' related term to mean 'the holds/wagon are full/filled', IIRC]
I truly appreciate your comment. It was well stated, seemed well thought out, and was both insightful and informative...interesting to boot.
But the pedant in me cringed at the use of 'frat' instead of 'fraught'. How cromulent of me.;-)
*DANGER, WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!: offtopic and out of context attempt at humour below!*
"...frat with difficulties..." is a given; most fraternities have, or ARE difficulties!
You tried to inject one of the biggest, baddest, most highly concentrated Oxymorons known to mankind('politically correct') into a funny jab at politicians!
If some site wants to track me in some non-trivial way, I stop using the site.
And when it becomes "industry standard", what then?
Then I/we[1] will continue to use Firefox* with the 'better privacy, noscript, and adblock+ extensions(for some,also throw in flashblock); they are your friend! *(or something similar: Opera, Chrome or Chromium, Iceweasel, Konqueror, etc., that have equivalent capabilities)
When that doesn't work, or 'breaks' most of the internet, then we'll go back to pre-internet PC[2] usage...but I doubt it would come to that. There are too many examples in the whole of human history to leave out the possibility, nay, the certainty of several or many hackers and crackers finding and sharing the 'hacks' and work-arounds to still connect for the interested.
According [to/. deductive reasoning] to your user name and UID, you should know this already; if not by profession/training/experience, then by 'osmosis' from the/. collective pool...Wake Up!
[1] For those that are concerned/interested [2]a. I'm old school: PC means Personal Computer.
b. 'Politically Correct' is worse than 'Military Intelligence' as an oxymoron. There is nothing 'correct about politics now days!
c. PC vs. Mac? both are PC's in my book,[see a.] and GNU/Linux should be included. Well, if it's running on a PC(x86) compatible architecture, that is.
Apparently you have not encountered the insidious Hoop Snake!;-)
From the wiki:
The hoop snake is mentioned in a letter from 1784 (published in Tour in the U. S. A., Vol. I, p. 263-65. London)[3]: " As other serpents crawl upon their bellies, so can this; but he has another method of moving peculiar to his own species, which he always adopts when he is in eager pursuit of his prey; he throws himself into a circle, running rapidly around, advancing like a hoop, with his tail arising and pointed forward in the circle, by which he is always in the ready position of striking.
It is observed that they only make use of this method in attacking; for when they fly from their enemy they go upon their bellies, like other serpents. From the above circumstance, peculiar to themselves, they have also derived the appellation of hoop snakes.
As someone who wasn't alive during the Apollo years, it's pretty exciting for me to see a company that might actually make travel to space sustainable.
As someone who was alive during the Apollo years[and the Mercury and Gemini years], I agree wholeheartedly; it was, and still is exciting. [I got the same goosebumps on launch, and was amazed at the vid quality and abundance!]
And you youngsters get added bonuses: 1. Better and higher quality coverage of the 'into space' events[see linked video in TFS]. Almost/or real time! 2. The internet.[see above] 3. Competition to drive 'Rocket Scientists®' to innovate again. 'Back then', it was USA astronauts vs. USSR cosmonauts...no holds barred. Now, it is similar, again no holds barred. 4. Maybe your favorite astronaut has a facebook page, or a twitter tweet?;-) 5. Almost obligatory:
'And you get to get off my lawn!';-) 6. Did I mention the internet?
This unhealthy obsession and dependency on 'Imaginary Property' in the USA is going to boomerang on us badly.
It's no wonder the gov't. felt they had to keep ACTA secret for 'National Security'[tm]. IP is increasingly all we have to offer the world economy any more. We can't afford to turn isolationist in the global economy, and that is slowly happening. Look at the global resistance to ACTA, the resentment to our 'security theater, in the airports and at borders aimed at copyright infringement and 'kiddie pr0n. Business travelers from foreign countries have become reluctant to travel here to conduct business. Some of them refuse to come here now.
I just don't think our growing dependence on IP as our major export is a good thing in the long run; this is not an argument against IP per se. It seems that 'Diversify! Diversify! Diversify!' is the tune you here from Wall Street and Big Business.
It's obvious you stopped at 'Intro to Meme Physics'. Had you continued to P.H.D.[Piled Higher andDeeper] level 'Meme Physics', you would realise the synergy brought about by combining memes can be catastrophic.
For instance, should Spinal Tap attempt to jump a shark with lasers mounted on it's frikkin head while performing their new hit single: "That's No Moon!", the resulting debacle would surely go to '12' if tried in Soviet Russia, where shark jumps you!
*Disclaimer* Don't try this at home kiddies, as an errant data point being overlooked could end the universe. You think the 'Big Bang' was something? Ha! You ain't seen nuthin' like the sure to happen 'Big Suck' that would result as the internet[and all life as we know it] imploded! *end Disclaimer*
No, the solution to this problem is obvious...invent bigger sharks, and mount a whole battery of frikkin' lasers on their heads. Simple, really.
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I'm shocked you would suggest such direct actions! My hair is positively standing on end!
Here you go.
...were people still proportionally this freaked by Pearl Harbor in the 1950's?
Hell sonny, I was in Pearl in 1950! I was the Engineer's Mate on PT-73: otherwise know as the USS Jack Kennedy at the time.
*wheezes, and hitches pants up above socks as eyes glaze over*
Eh? Who are you, again?
On a more serious note, my maternal grand mother still held a grudge against the Japanese from WW2 up into the 1980's when she died.
She claimed one of her brothers was a POW, and getting back stateside after release, he died from eating his first 'decent' meal since being a POW.
To more precisely answer your question, I would say that if you rounded up a pool of the U.S.A. public from that era, you would get a wide range of answers.
Look at more recent examples that have a bigger pool of data:
Korean War
Vietnam War
Panama
New Grenada
1st Iraqi war(Kuwait)
Murray Bldg. in Oklahoma
and numerous 'terrorist attacks', both foreign and domestic since the 1950's, cont. on until present
9/11
'War on Terror'...ongoing
Afghanistan...ongoing
2nd Iraqi war...ongoing
The current debate and fury over the mosque in NYC...ongoing
Pick your poison.
Assuming I 'got the drift' of your comment, if I were you I'd concentrate on 9/11, Afghanistan War, 2nd Iraqi War, the 'War on Terror', and the mosque debate for your answers.
My impression is that we are just as vindictive AND apathetic now as they were then, sadly.
My experience has supported this opinion, but I may be biased too...YMMV.
BTW, I'm 52, soon to be 53 years old. /. UID, but I did watch too much "McHale's Navy" in my younger days!
I 'lurked' here quite a while before I got my
'The Spice MUST flow!'
Who is this 'Margaret Thatcher' person?
A National scion?
A Galactic scion?
A Universe scion?
Maybe she's a big fish in a small brane, but she is irrelevant in this 'here and now'.
Past history, old chap.
*Hint: yer references shouldn't come from ONE reference/source...it displays yer cause/agenda like a badge...Deal With It!*
quote>...LBJ was probably our worst President ever...
Thank you for that! :-)
This is NOT a pro-Republican rant:
Nixon, despite his flaws, was actually good for this country. YMMV.
I see Obama and his 'Change' campaign in a similar light:
We have a Black President now.
The rest of the world rejoiced that it wasn't a Dubya clone.
Some of the Dubya era legacy stays intact, some of it disappears.
Is it ideal?
No,IMHO, but it sets the stage.
Frankly, this next presidential election both intrigues me, and scares me.
We need to subvert the two party system somehow...
Once the house is on fire, there's fuck all you can do in the short term.
If it's old and decrepit(to stay in context), then let the fscker burn down!
Rebuild it better.
Rinse and repeat.
Only stagnant, still water breeds blood sucking mosquitoes...think about it.
the people they defame.
[emphasis mine] ;-)
Don't you mean the people they deform?
Yeah, I know...you can spell, assuming that was a misspelling.
R U shur?(I think that the odds of your assumption being correct, are overwhelmingly in your favour)
Sometimes pedantry can clarify an issue, but admittedly, most times it just 'stirs up the puddle'.
BTW, you make a valid point.
*hint: no mod points currently*
But then I would try to install linux/BSD on a toaster if I thought there was a chance of it booting.
Perhaps you would have better luck with a 'Linux Zombie Badger'?
Now, imagine a Beowolf Cluster of Linux Zombie Badgers...
"Run away! Run Away!"
Oh crap!
That sounds exactly like where I'm at: central/north Oklahoma.
I guess I could go with a 768/128Kbs DSL service, but I watch a lot of online video[www.animefreak.tv], and like to host a Battlefield 1942 co-op server over the internet.
Don't know if that would work.
I could go with the higher cost[the above mentioned 768/128 service is about $20] 1.5Mbs/768Kbs service at around $36-40, which is about what I'm paying now for the access to the internet, but my cable TV would go up $5-10.
My wife would kill me![1] ;-)
I'm still debating to myself as to which is the most viable option.
[1] Yes, in spite of the /. stereotype, I managed to find one that not only was my 'intellectual equal', but also yang to my yin.
Now she is a half-basement dweller, and half-real world walker...and does well at both;
Really and Truly®. and Honest to ®, and Cross My Heart®, I would not mislead you.
*hint: I'm on suddenlink.net*
And I call double bollocks on your '...so your reasoning is bollocks.' statement.
A) From the fine article:
"The dark color, rounded texture and the way it is perched on the surface all make it look like an iron meteorite," said science-team member Matt Golombek of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory...
and:
Opportunity has found four iron meteorites during the rover's exploration of the Meridiani Planum region of Mars since early 2004. Examination of these rocks has provided information about the Martian atmosphere, as well as the meteorites themselves, NASA stated.
So they have seen this before, and have some good people checking this stuff out.
All we know about this is that what appears to be a meteorite sitting there.
If you bothered to actually look at the pics the AC linked to(especially the second link- note the Big Fscking Rock that this meteorite happens to be perched on, and the prevalence of rocks making up the surface in the immediate area.
We don't know that it didn't bounce or roll there- no telling when it got there, the planetary conditions at the time it arrived- maybe Mars had a thicker atmosphere then, whether it impacted there or is it just a fragment of something else that landed there.
Who knows yet?
B) See above (re: the second link) about the rocky ground, and particularly, the previously mentioned rock this thing is perched on.
How long has it been there to show that much erosion? What caused the erosion? Where did it come from? Where did it actually impact, and at what speed and trajectory?
'...so your reasoning is bollocks.'...indeed.
...is frat with difficulties...
emphasis mine....
Perhaps you were trying for 'fraught'? [ie: filled/full of- fraught is an old 'cargo' related term to mean 'the holds/wagon are full/filled', IIRC]
I truly appreciate your comment.
It was well stated, seemed well thought out, and was both insightful and informative...interesting to boot.
But the pedant in me cringed at the use of 'frat' instead of 'fraught'. ;-)
How cromulent of me.
*DANGER, WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!: offtopic and out of context attempt at humour below!*
"...frat with difficulties..." is a given; most fraternities have, or ARE difficulties!
...not politically correct to call politicians...
I see what you did there...sneaky...
You tried to inject one of the biggest, baddest, most highly concentrated Oxymorons known to mankind('politically correct') into a funny jab at politicians!
You tricky devil. ;-)
I like user-friendly[1] screen doors to enter my submarine! ;-)
Ghahh! Where's all of that water coming from?
All hands, 'Abandon ship!'
[1] and hacker/cracker friendly, spammer friendly, gov't. friendly, and criminal friendly
What's your point?
At least 'mcgrew' offered a possible solution...so, where's your 'help the rest of the world' solution?
Put up, or shut up, you hypocrite.
You are actively working against your implied cause.
I also use Foxit, and learned about it years ago right here on /., from someone like 'mcgrew', making a similar comment.
The only benefit I got from your comment is you are an asshat, just for the sake of being an asshat.
Then I/we[1] will continue to use Firefox* with the 'better privacy, noscript, and adblock+ extensions(for some,also throw in flashblock); they are your friend!
*(or something similar: Opera, Chrome or Chromium, Iceweasel, Konqueror, etc., that have equivalent capabilities)
When that doesn't work, or 'breaks' most of the internet, then we'll go back to pre-internet PC[2] usage...but I doubt it would come to that.
There are too many examples in the whole of human history to leave out the possibility, nay, the certainty of several or many hackers and crackers finding and sharing the 'hacks' and work-arounds to still connect for the interested.
According [to /. deductive reasoning] to your user name and UID, you should know this already; if not by profession/training/experience, then by 'osmosis' from the /. collective pool...Wake Up!
[1] For those that are concerned/interested
[2]a. I'm old school: PC means Personal Computer.
b. 'Politically Correct' is worse than 'Military Intelligence' as an oxymoron. There is nothing 'correct about politics now days!
c. PC vs. Mac? both are PC's in my book,[see a.] and GNU/Linux should be included. Well, if it's running on a PC(x86) compatible architecture, that is.
Glad I could be of service!
Thanks for the game hint...off to check it out.
Robotic Stingrays!
Evolution never even "discovered" the wheel.
Apparently you have not encountered the insidious Hoop Snake! ;-)
From the wiki:
Oh, and watch out for the drop bears too. ;-)
(Obviously, I thought... why do geeks have to be so "all or nothing"?)
'Cause it's binary.
Well, sometimes it's hexadecimal, but in this case binary...definitely binary.
And what happens when the orbit gets miscalculated and the rock re-enters?
That could get ugly.
...which will wipe out New York.
Wait, what? Where's the downside?
I feel cheated!
You started off so well....
I'm addicted to placebos, you insensitive clod!
As someone who wasn't alive during the Apollo years, it's pretty exciting for me to see a company that might actually make travel to space sustainable.
As someone who was alive during the Apollo years[and the Mercury and Gemini years], I agree wholeheartedly; it was, and still is exciting. [I got the same goosebumps on launch, and was amazed at the vid quality and abundance!]
And you youngsters get added bonuses: ;-) ;-)
1. Better and higher quality coverage of the 'into space' events[see linked video in TFS]. Almost/or real time!
2. The internet.[see above]
3. Competition to drive 'Rocket Scientists®' to innovate again. 'Back then', it was USA astronauts vs. USSR cosmonauts...no holds barred. Now, it is similar, again no holds barred.
4. Maybe your favorite astronaut has a facebook page, or a twitter tweet?
5. Almost obligatory:
'And you get to get off my lawn!'
6. Did I mention the internet?
It seems to be a matter of region,I suppose.
I sir, prefer the Ripple!
I agree on the MD 20/20 wholeheartedly though.
I once watched a guy beat up a tree that was 'messing with him' while being drunk on MD 20/20!
Come on, thousands of winos can't be wrong, can they? ;-)
*HEADLINES!!!
From the 'Reality is Stranger than Fiction Dept.*
"Holy Minority Report, Batman!"
Why was this not LOL'd by the judge, then summarily tossed out of the court into orbit?
Dammit, man...
What's next...coin-operated 'Law Suit Vending Machines'®???
This unhealthy obsession and dependency on 'Imaginary Property' in the USA is going to boomerang on us badly.
It's no wonder the gov't. felt they had to keep ACTA secret for 'National Security'[tm]. IP is increasingly all we have to offer the world economy any more.
We can't afford to turn isolationist in the global economy, and that is slowly happening.
Look at the global resistance to ACTA, the resentment to our 'security theater, in the airports and at borders aimed at copyright infringement and 'kiddie pr0n.
Business travelers from foreign countries have become reluctant to travel here to conduct business. Some of them refuse to come here now.
I just don't think our growing dependence on IP as our major export is a good thing in the long run; this is not an argument against IP per se.
It seems that 'Diversify! Diversify! Diversify!' is the tune you here from Wall Street and Big Business.
It's obvious you stopped at 'Intro to Meme Physics'. Had you continued to P.H.D.[Piled Higher and Deeper] level 'Meme Physics', you would realise the synergy brought about by combining memes can be catastrophic.
For instance, should Spinal Tap attempt to jump a shark with lasers mounted on it's frikkin head while performing their new hit single: "That's No Moon!", the resulting debacle would surely go to '12' if tried in Soviet Russia, where shark jumps you!
*Disclaimer*
Don't try this at home kiddies, as an errant data point being overlooked could end the universe.
You think the 'Big Bang' was something? Ha! You ain't seen nuthin' like the sure to happen 'Big Suck' that would result as the internet[and all life as we know it] imploded!
*end Disclaimer*
No, the solution to this problem is obvious...invent bigger sharks, and mount a whole battery of frikkin' lasers on their heads. Simple, really.