Do you remember as in "Platoon" Charley Sheen says in the end that the war in Nam was in fact a civil war?
This analogy stands in this case too. There is the technology to make Windows secure from the box, on every machine. "One-care" or some Norton could be just a part of an OS. But this technology is being sold separately, in small quantities. It's a multimillion and growing business. Hapless East European "evil talents" are brought in this big picture as a marketing tool.
Real East European people do suffer a bad reputation due to it undeservedly.
Your anger is misplaced. We in Ukraine hate crime even more than you do.
Besides an image of "fucking peasants", of "sleezy Ukrainian hacker", etc. really hurts us on a global market place.
If Microsoft included One-Care into its Windows OS, we would not have this conversation at all. But they do not do it to milk customers twice: for insecure OS and for the anti-virus, anti-spy-ware products. It is a billions and billions business. And a cultivated image of an in-existing in reality "sleezy Ukrainian hacker" fits very conveniently in this business.
The man who sent the first human into space, Sergey Korolyov, was from Ukraine. The mathematician who helped him to calculate this flight, Ginsburg, was also from Ukraine.
But instead we are getting a reputation of "fucking peasants" and criminals. Of course there criminals and prisons in Ukraine, the same as in your part of the world. But we are not responsible for the insecure OS and the multi-billion business based on this fear.
I am from Eastern Europe. Such crimes or such articles really hurt. Everybody gets convinced that people from Eastern Europe sooner or later will pull out a trick like that. And that image is really bad in global economy.
Why should a malicious software be possible on a PC at all? People pay for the operating system. And they have to pay for anti-virus, for ant-spy-ware. This is the point.
Why Windows-One-Care cannot be part of the OS? And people all over the world will sigh with a relief. Is it not done to milk billions from customers first for a monopoly insecure OS and then second time for making the OS secure.
Very conveniently fit people from Eastern Europe of criminal persuasion in this picture. Very conveniently. But this image really hurts interests of honest hard working people from Eastern Europe on a global market scene. There are a lot of good people in Eastern Europe who brought good things into this world, say, periodical system of elements, first flight into space, etc.
Include the Windows-One-Care in Windows and stop harassing us.
I meant that the users of a business application are distributed over a large geographical area. I certainly did not meant an abstraction of a P2P distribution.
I think that P2P has its place like EXE application, say GIMP, or FileZilla, or Excel.
But a business application, which involves e-commerce, sales, etc., several offices, a server-client model by my experience, not exhaustive certainly, is the only working solution.
If you and me were the users of an application we would make something smart and fancy certainly, but for a real world setup server-client is the way to go.
Thank you for pointing it out. I certainly meant server-client application for remote users, not P2P distributed application.
If users of your application are technologically advanced and you have control over proxy settings in your remote offices, over IT policies on PCs you can try different approaches.
In my case, I had to explain over telephone where to type URL address in browser to a user who had been using this web application for several months. It was just his start page and after the OS re-installation he was lost.
Still I could explain him what is the address bar in browser (white horizontal line at the top of the window). To explain how to install P2P EXE and configure it would be impossible. I would have to ask local IT colleague do his for me, but they are busy with many other things. So it would be my problem to make things work in a remote office.
These are the problems of the real world, and often developers write solutions thinking of users of a solution as of computer geeks. But often they are not and they have little patience with convoluted installations and configurations of EXEs.
As we moved from EXEs based application to server-client it was the end of a nightmare, of insanity, the end of jumping up at night wide awake. Now we are insulated of these problems, - "call us as soon as you get on your PC working browser, any browser, IE, Firefox, Chrome. Just get to the point that you are able to open a web-page on Internet and then call us." That's it.
Upgrading is also easy, just upgrade in one place and everyone gets it.
Sometimes even browsers does not work in remote offices. But since these are well-known applications somehow it always possible to get one of them working.
So we can tell a user now - call us when you can open a web page from Internet, any web-page in any browser. And somehow it is almost always successful, somehow they can always get it.
Certainly, local IT should look that an anti-virus is installed, OS is updated and that dubious sites are not visited, since if a machine is infected with a trojan - forget about any security either it server-client or EXE.
Some application will always rely on local computing power: something like GIMP, or even using PHP scripts in XAMPP on local machine for, say producing miniatures of larger photos.
But distributed business network application can realistically exist only via server-client model.
If they want rely on an installed software on client's side - let them try it. I've been there. It is insane. PCs get broken, installed EXE stop working for unexplainable reasons, and so on and so forth. All I had to do is: install and re-install, endlessly. Sometimes somebody got a good idea and they moved to thin clients at that office. I had to install EXE for 4 hours on the thin client! Searching missing DLLs all over Internet.
Now we moved to server-SSL-client model. I do not care what is going on locally. Here is your login and password and it's you life.
Besides even in the server-client model a lot of things are done on local PC: rendering pages, handling javascript.
There is no tool to cut out an image of an item from the background automatically. It is needed for the e-commerce, because an item should be "flying in the air".
There are several tools, but they are using technique of analyzing colors and by this detecting borders on an item. It does not work with every image, more correctly it does not work with almost every image. It sometimes work if an item is, say, of even dark color on a white background.
We are always shooting the same items: bottles, boxes, cans, TV-sets, phone sets, etc. Maybe it is possible to use not only a border detection technique, which does not work, let us put it mildly, ideally, but include into the program basic shapes of items, so that borders of items recognized more accurately?
This innovation would save the eyesight to thousands of e-commerce photographers. I have to cut out an item from background about 100 - 200 times per shift. The only reliable way to do it is using the tool "Path" of GIMP, placing points of a path manually along the image border and then bending this path's line manually along the item border. Then making a selection from a path, feathering selection, inverting it, and finally cutting out the background.
What if to move every day a hard-disk, say 1 or 2 TB, for sort of a http proxy via the border.
While outside the firewall, download on it websites, which may be of an interest and serve them from within of your office or home LAN.
Yes, so far, such a hard disk is still detectable. But if memory volume of a flash drives will continue to grow, I can imagine a point of time, when the whole Internet, or at least forbidden Internet, could be carried over the border on a minuscule flash drive. Which then is plugged into a proxy server and, voi-la, goodbye firewall.
True, it would be a read-only Internet. But it is better than nothing, and then a flash drive could be carried out of a fire-walled area and the Internet could be synchronized with this area.
So the concept is to use not a cable, which is controlled by the man, to transmit an information, but minuscule flash drives of high memory volume, which are physically moved over the border.
As for Iran, I would say, their internal social changes and problems, unavoidable in any society, still should not be used for own commercial and political hidden agenda by other more advance societies.
Again, cool shape, just for the sake to make it look cool and non-Russian. But there are certain things in physics, which are fundamental and cannot be made different.
NASA should make a rocket with the right architecture. It means it shall look like Soyuz vehicle. No other way exists.
It is like with Sylvester Stallone's Rocky. He did boxing with hands down in movies. Many boxers in real sport got traumas and spoiled their careers because they wanted to look as cool as Rocky on the ring.
And while I am on it, no vehicles should be built at all until the scientific metric system of measurement is introduced and imperial medieval system is banned. It should be forbidden, I do not know, by the Geneva convention. Due to pseudo-patriotism the complicated systems are built with archaic feet, elbows, inches, etc. All would be fine, but alive people are to fly it.
Certainly, it is not easy and even impossible if an officer does not speak foreign languages and proud of it. But there are a lot of people living the USA who do speak the language, which is spoken in Kiev. They could do this job better than "pure" Hollywood-style cops. They should be hired and trained.
Yes, there are a lot of easily bribed cops in Kiev. And it can be well used. If one offers to a Kiev law enforcement general, say, a training program for his digital crime division, he will in return have these criminals caught and shot by a firing squad, speaking figuratively. Still it would cost the international banking and the US government less than doing nothing in the new quickly globalizing world. And it would give lasting results.
And Kiev law enforcement also have interests in criminals who run away to the USA. But they also think: "Ah, well. There is nothing we can do. We even are not able to explain to the US police what we want and why. We do not speak English. We do not even know a number where to call."
This is how it is. I know it. But to have an effective cooperation one has to build an international effort, via Interpol, via UN, via seminars, reciprocal training courses, etc. There are armies of UN diplomats in Geneva, including Ukrainian, half-sleeping.
One has to go in there openly, in good faith (not via secret agencies), get hands dirty, learn languages, culture, people, system. Learn to play it. This is how work done. Sitting in an ivory tower and bombing from time to time around will not do the job. This was my point. Still it would cost less.
So what? There are daily flights to Kiev from major European capitals. Some fat law enforcement officer should lift from a chair, buy an air ticket for 500 bucks and go to Kiev.
There is Interpol office in Kiev. Ukraine is a member of UN.
Modern motor-sail boat is practically indestructible by weather. It is a small boat on which people are free to move wherever they want, say, during their holiday. They do not have manpower to update navigation charts, and they definitely do not go along shipping lanes.
Because big ships are danger for them. The same way as arrays industrial equipment on water would be danger for them.
Development of boat building technology will bring more and more families living in habitable boats. The advantage of such mobile boat-homes is that they, well, mobile, and at the same time even more comfortable than city apartments.
One vision of a sea or ocean is that some big ships cruising along strict shipping lanes, another is that it is place of freedom, without treacherous arrays of obstacles.
Containers too have a system of fixation on a ship, still half-submerged containers are floating all over the globe, causing collisions all the time. These things if they are numerous will be floating around too before long. And as road policemen know well - if something is in the way of moving vehicle the collision is not excluded. That is why a shoulder exists on the road. On the water there is no shoulder, the whole water is the road.
The main danger for a sailboat navigating in an ocean is not a bad weather, or waves, but, firstly, a collision and then falling into the water. Anti-collision system? Leave a car on a highway, even with the emergency anti-collision lights blinking, and see what happens. An ocean is a highway.
Before making oceans more dangerous by putting a network of hardware there, before doing it, put a clothesline into a yard, where it causes no danger.
A device for drying linen and clothes in the open air, clothesline, is the most energy and cost effective technology ever. It changes the state of a matter, from liquid into the gas. And changing physical state is where the energy is.
Leave water for people to navigate, use your yard, your energy saving lamps, your small car, to produce energy. Producing energy by saving it. Not occupying more space by industrial equipment, but leaving space for people to live.
The problem is not that there is not enough concentrated energy, the problem is that people do not switch off unnecessary light. So why not to try to solve this real problem before contaminating oceans even more? This was my point.
The fact that clotheslines are forbidden in some European countries and US is not a problem in itself. It is just a tiny part of humanity. The problem is that these parts are generating a global fashion in large sense of this word.
The problem begins when the bulk of humanity starts to follow this fashion, this bad example. The global epidemics of flu began after the Asian and African nations began to follow a European and US habits of handshakes and 3-hug-kisses, instead of their traditional greeting bows.
Yes, Norwegian oil rigs are in the ocean all right. But an oil rig is an expensive and relatively rare occurrence in n navigable ocean. But if they put these things in the water all over the world to produce electricity to make some districts to look luxury without clotheslines, it would be another level of complexity.
And it may well become popular because stupidity is popular. Has not a 3000 kg car been popular for decades?
A radar is a good thing. But practice,teacher of fools, shows that even satellites in orbit do collide.
In the navigation school, where I studied, we were taught that a radar and GPS are very good things, but they tend to get unserviceable at the times when you need them most. Sometimes just because a battery is low.
Yes, there are ships, which do not have a motor running all the time. In future more and more ships will use sails. Even cargo ships. This is where the wind will really work.
Putting hard things in the navigable waters is the bad idea as far as I am concerned. If we want to use the wind and solar energy - do not forbid, but promote, drying linen and clothes outside, in the open air, as opposite to electrical driers. Sun-wind-linen-cloth-drier is the most effective green power device. Still in some European and North America countries it is the tabu.
So we put hardware items in the open fields and in the navigable ocean to produce electricity and then use this electricity to for electrical driers, which consume enormous amounts of energy. But the Order is kept.
This is an attempt to solve a social problem with an engineering means. Instead dry clothing and linen outside, get over it, use energy saving lamps, small cars, and leave oceans and nature fields alone. This is the real solution, real thing.
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Do you remember as in "Platoon" Charley Sheen says in the end that the war in Nam was in fact a civil war?
This analogy stands in this case too. There is the technology to make Windows secure from the box, on every machine. "One-care" or some Norton could be just a part of an OS. But this technology is being sold separately, in small quantities. It's a multimillion and growing business. Hapless East European "evil talents" are brought in this big picture as a marketing tool.
Real East European people do suffer a bad reputation due to it undeservedly.
--- Maybe Ukraine should write the next version of Windows. Instead of Chicago or Memphis, we could have Chernobyl... ---
Imagine I was joking lightly about, say, Twin Towers or Pentagon. How would it feel? Insensible?
Your anger is misplaced. We in Ukraine hate crime even more than you do.
Besides an image of "fucking peasants", of "sleezy Ukrainian hacker", etc. really hurts us on a global market place.
If Microsoft included One-Care into its Windows OS, we would not have this conversation at all. But they do not do it to milk customers twice: for insecure OS and for the anti-virus, anti-spy-ware products. It is a billions and billions business. And a cultivated image of an in-existing in reality "sleezy Ukrainian hacker" fits very conveniently in this business.
The man who sent the first human into space, Sergey Korolyov, was from Ukraine. The mathematician who helped him to calculate this flight, Ginsburg, was also from Ukraine.
But instead we are getting a reputation of "fucking peasants" and criminals. Of course there criminals and prisons in Ukraine, the same as in your part of the world. But we are not responsible for the insecure OS and the multi-billion business based on this fear.
I am from Eastern Europe. Such crimes or such articles really hurt. Everybody gets convinced that people from Eastern Europe sooner or later will pull out a trick like that. And that image is really bad in global economy.
Why should a malicious software be possible on a PC at all? People pay for the operating system. And they have to pay for anti-virus, for ant-spy-ware. This is the point.
Why Windows-One-Care cannot be part of the OS? And people all over the world will sigh with a relief. Is it not done to milk billions from customers first for a monopoly insecure OS and then second time for making the OS secure.
Very conveniently fit people from Eastern Europe of criminal persuasion in this picture. Very conveniently. But this image really hurts interests of honest hard working people from Eastern Europe on a global market scene. There are a lot of good people in Eastern Europe who brought good things into this world, say, periodical system of elements, first flight into space, etc.
Include the Windows-One-Care in Windows and stop harassing us.
I meant that the users of a business application are distributed over a large geographical area. I certainly did not meant an abstraction of a P2P distribution.
I think that P2P has its place like EXE application, say GIMP, or FileZilla, or Excel.
But a business application, which involves e-commerce, sales, etc., several offices, a server-client model by my experience, not exhaustive certainly, is the only working solution.
If you and me were the users of an application we would make something smart and fancy certainly, but for a real world setup server-client is the way to go.
Thank you for pointing it out. I certainly meant server-client application for remote users, not P2P distributed application.
If users of your application are technologically advanced and you have control over proxy settings in your remote offices, over IT policies on PCs you can try different approaches.
In my case, I had to explain over telephone where to type URL address in browser to a user who had been using this web application for several months. It was just his start page and after the OS re-installation he was lost.
Still I could explain him what is the address bar in browser (white horizontal line at the top of the window). To explain how to install P2P EXE and configure it would be impossible. I would have to ask local IT colleague do his for me, but they are busy with many other things. So it would be my problem to make things work in a remote office.
These are the problems of the real world, and often developers write solutions thinking of users of a solution as of computer geeks. But often they are not and they have little patience with convoluted installations and configurations of EXEs.
As we moved from EXEs based application to server-client it was the end of a nightmare, of insanity, the end of jumping up at night wide awake. Now we are insulated of these problems, - "call us as soon as you get on your PC working browser, any browser, IE, Firefox, Chrome. Just get to the point that you are able to open a web-page on Internet and then call us." That's it.
Upgrading is also easy, just upgrade in one place and everyone gets it.
Sometimes even browsers does not work in remote offices. But since these are well-known applications somehow it always possible to get one of them working.
So we can tell a user now - call us when you can open a web page from Internet, any web-page in any browser. And somehow it is almost always successful, somehow they can always get it.
Certainly, local IT should look that an anti-virus is installed, OS is updated and that dubious sites are not visited, since if a machine is infected with a trojan - forget about any security either it server-client or EXE.
Some application will always rely on local computing power: something like GIMP, or even using PHP scripts in XAMPP on local machine for, say producing miniatures of larger photos.
But distributed business network application can realistically exist only via server-client model.
If they want rely on an installed software on client's side - let them try it. I've been there. It is insane. PCs get broken, installed EXE stop working for unexplainable reasons, and so on and so forth. All I had to do is: install and re-install, endlessly. Sometimes somebody got a good idea and they moved to thin clients at that office. I had to install EXE for 4 hours on the thin client! Searching missing DLLs all over Internet.
Now we moved to server-SSL-client model. I do not care what is going on locally. Here is your login and password and it's you life.
Besides even in the server-client model a lot of things are done on local PC: rendering pages, handling javascript.
There are several tools, but they are using technique of analyzing colors and by this detecting borders on an item. It does not work with every image, more correctly it does not work with almost every image. It sometimes work if an item is, say, of even dark color on a white background.
We are always shooting the same items: bottles, boxes, cans, TV-sets, phone sets, etc. Maybe it is possible to use not only a border detection technique, which does not work, let us put it mildly, ideally, but include into the program basic shapes of items, so that borders of items recognized more accurately?
This innovation would save the eyesight to thousands of e-commerce photographers. I have to cut out an item from background about 100 - 200 times per shift. The only reliable way to do it is using the tool "Path" of GIMP, placing points of a path manually along the image border and then bending this path's line manually along the item border. Then making a selection from a path, feathering selection, inverting it, and finally cutting out the background.
In Georgia and Russia it's Twitter that shuts you down.
There are so many viruses and trojans lurking around that being inside the OS possibly even more dangerous.
By the way, what is inside OS? Who knows it? It is all compiled.
I read it in Russian, so I do not know about the quality of this translation.
It sounded very convincing. What it has to do with supercomputers? Try to read the text. The answer is there.
I could change cables set ups here and there without much labor or cost. Until I got something more or less permanent.
It leaves no marks on surface, so one can reconfigure cables setup as often as needed.
While outside the firewall, download on it websites, which may be of an interest and serve them from within of your office or home LAN.
Yes, so far, such a hard disk is still detectable. But if memory volume of a flash drives will continue to grow, I can imagine a point of time, when the whole Internet, or at least forbidden Internet, could be carried over the border on a minuscule flash drive. Which then is plugged into a proxy server and, voi-la, goodbye firewall.
True, it would be a read-only Internet. But it is better than nothing, and then a flash drive could be carried out of a fire-walled area and the Internet could be synchronized with this area.
So the concept is to use not a cable, which is controlled by the man, to transmit an information, but minuscule flash drives of high memory volume, which are physically moved over the border.
As for Iran, I would say, their internal social changes and problems, unavoidable in any society, still should not be used for own commercial and political hidden agenda by other more advance societies.
Again, cool shape, just for the sake to make it look cool and non-Russian. But there are certain things in physics, which are fundamental and cannot be made different.
NASA should make a rocket with the right architecture. It means it shall look like Soyuz vehicle. No other way exists.
It is like with Sylvester Stallone's Rocky. He did boxing with hands down in movies. Many boxers in real sport got traumas and spoiled their careers because they wanted to look as cool as Rocky on the ring.
And while I am on it, no vehicles should be built at all until the scientific metric system of measurement is introduced and imperial medieval system is banned. It should be forbidden, I do not know, by the Geneva convention. Due to pseudo-patriotism the complicated systems are built with archaic feet, elbows, inches, etc. All would be fine, but alive people are to fly it.
Certainly, it is not easy and even impossible if an officer does not speak foreign languages and proud of it. But there are a lot of people living the USA who do speak the language, which is spoken in Kiev. They could do this job better than "pure" Hollywood-style cops. They should be hired and trained.
Yes, there are a lot of easily bribed cops in Kiev. And it can be well used. If one offers to a Kiev law enforcement general, say, a training program for his digital crime division, he will in return have these criminals caught and shot by a firing squad, speaking figuratively. Still it would cost the international banking and the US government less than doing nothing in the new quickly globalizing world. And it would give lasting results.
And Kiev law enforcement also have interests in criminals who run away to the USA. But they also think: "Ah, well. There is nothing we can do. We even are not able to explain to the US police what we want and why. We do not speak English. We do not even know a number where to call."
This is how it is. I know it. But to have an effective cooperation one has to build an international effort, via Interpol, via UN, via seminars, reciprocal training courses, etc. There are armies of UN diplomats in Geneva, including Ukrainian, half-sleeping.
One has to go in there openly, in good faith (not via secret agencies), get hands dirty, learn languages, culture, people, system. Learn to play it. This is how work done. Sitting in an ivory tower and bombing from time to time around will not do the job. This was my point. Still it would cost less.
So what? There are daily flights to Kiev from major European capitals. Some fat law enforcement officer should lift from a chair, buy an air ticket for 500 bucks and go to Kiev.
There is Interpol office in Kiev. Ukraine is a member of UN.
It is easy to say "Kiev" and do nothing.
In addition to half-submerged loose containers, which infest navigable waters nowadays, we will have these generators, drifting around after a storm.
Damage to boats, caused by these extremely dangerous items in the oceans, will cancel environmental gains thousand times over.
We know by now that nature is vulnerable. Moon is relatively small. Why make a big explosion on it? One can use drilling for research.
The system Earth-Moon can be destabilized by such explosions.
Modern motor-sail boat is practically indestructible by weather. It is a small boat on which people are free to move wherever they want, say, during their holiday. They do not have manpower to update navigation charts, and they definitely do not go along shipping lanes.
Because big ships are danger for them. The same way as arrays industrial equipment on water would be danger for them.
Development of boat building technology will bring more and more families living in habitable boats. The advantage of such mobile boat-homes is that they, well, mobile, and at the same time even more comfortable than city apartments.
One vision of a sea or ocean is that some big ships cruising along strict shipping lanes, another is that it is place of freedom, without treacherous arrays of obstacles.
Containers too have a system of fixation on a ship, still half-submerged containers are floating all over the globe, causing collisions all the time. These things if they are numerous will be floating around too before long. And as road policemen know well - if something is in the way of moving vehicle the collision is not excluded. That is why a shoulder exists on the road. On the water there is no shoulder, the whole water is the road.
The main danger for a sailboat navigating in an ocean is not a bad weather, or waves, but, firstly, a collision and then falling into the water. Anti-collision system? Leave a car on a highway, even with the emergency anti-collision lights blinking, and see what happens. An ocean is a highway.
Before making oceans more dangerous by putting a network of hardware there, before doing it, put a clothesline into a yard, where it causes no danger.
A device for drying linen and clothes in the open air, clothesline, is the most energy and cost effective technology ever. It changes the state of a matter, from liquid into the gas. And changing physical state is where the energy is.
Leave water for people to navigate, use your yard, your energy saving lamps, your small car, to produce energy. Producing energy by saving it. Not occupying more space by industrial equipment, but leaving space for people to live.
The problem is not that there is not enough concentrated energy, the problem is that people do not switch off unnecessary light. So why not to try to solve this real problem before contaminating oceans even more? This was my point.
The fact that clotheslines are forbidden in some European countries and US is not a problem in itself. It is just a tiny part of humanity. The problem is that these parts are generating a global fashion in large sense of this word.
The problem begins when the bulk of humanity starts to follow this fashion, this bad example. The global epidemics of flu began after the Asian and African nations began to follow a European and US habits of handshakes and 3-hug-kisses, instead of their traditional greeting bows.
Yes, Norwegian oil rigs are in the ocean all right. But an oil rig is an expensive and relatively rare occurrence in n navigable ocean. But if they put these things in the water all over the world to produce electricity to make some districts to look luxury without clotheslines, it would be another level of complexity.
And it may well become popular because stupidity is popular. Has not a 3000 kg car been popular for decades?
A radar is a good thing. But practice,teacher of fools, shows that even satellites in orbit do collide.
In the navigation school, where I studied, we were taught that a radar and GPS are very good things, but they tend to get unserviceable at the times when you need them most. Sometimes just because a battery is low.
Yes, there are ships, which do not have a motor running all the time. In future more and more ships will use sails. Even cargo ships. This is where the wind will really work.
Putting hard things in the navigable waters is the bad idea as far as I am concerned. If we want to use the wind and solar energy - do not forbid, but promote, drying linen and clothes outside, in the open air, as opposite to electrical driers. Sun-wind-linen-cloth-drier is the most effective green power device. Still in some European and North America countries it is the tabu.
So we put hardware items in the open fields and in the navigable ocean to produce electricity and then use this electricity to for electrical driers, which consume enormous amounts of energy. But the Order is kept.
This is an attempt to solve a social problem with an engineering means. Instead dry clothing and linen outside, get over it, use energy saving lamps, small cars, and leave oceans and nature fields alone. This is the real solution, real thing.
I hope they will put it on new navigation maps. But how to update existing maps?
I would be a nightmare for a captain to meet such things in high seas. As far as navigation is concerned it is a new island.