This give you something to think about; how vulnerable a site and even a whole Internet community is... Lets assume that people are DoSsing their DNS servers with a mega attack. It would, in time, get the complete site down (currently I can still access it even though the DNS servers report the domain non-existent) as well as their email. I need a DNS server in order to let my mail server know where to send it.
So far I've only heard about DoS attacks on websites and IRC servers. Could this be the beginning of a script kiddie actually using that grey blob of his a bit more then is reasonable?
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I really wonder if the 2.4 release will persuade people to upgrade the kernel on their server(s) to either 2.2.18 or 2.4 ? When 2.2.x came out a lot of people (including myself) tried it yet let their servers still run on 2.0.36 (later to become 2.0.38). At this moment my server is running on 2.2.16 (its on a private LAN so no problems there) and my workstation uses 2.4 (which I like very much indeed). Both run on Debian and my main strategy is to test programs (sometimes very extensive) before they get upgraded on the server (it runs a mixture; stable release with some unstable programs). Personally I see no need yet to upgrade my server to 2.4 (mainly because it isn't used as a firewall, otherwise I'd start upgrading right now due to iptables which IMHO truly rule).
SO, are there more people who feel that the most important advantage on servers would be iptables?
Not entirely since we can calculate the position of our planet after 70 years (ever seen RedShift? Its the perfect program for things like that) and if this comet has a static trajectory this can be easily calculated. But then again; it heavily depends on the comet itself;)
From what I can tell from the article they will not destroy the comet but merely 'take it out of its orbit'. It is unfortunate that they didn't give us any more specifications about this comet (size, trajectory, etc) because I can't help wonder what will happen next. Not in the next 'few' years (20 - 50) but period after that in which we can actually *see* the results of this alteration of trajectory.
I'm specially curious about its new orbit; any chance that these scientists can knock it into a new trajectory which will collide with earth in about 70 years? Has anyone calculated this risk as well?
The visits to a site determine if a banner is or is not efficient. IMO this is the wrong way to approach it. Sure, when someone clicks on a banner you may have a potential customer. But if someone doesn't click on the banner it doesn't have to mean that this "loss of click" is wasted money. What about the reconation of the name and/or site? If people see a banner more then one time chances are high that they'll remember the name/site and may even tell others (who may need a place to buy a product) about it.
Sure, Internet is young and dynamic but also seems clueless in some matters. These studies have been done before and I really wonder why Internet would be so much different ? IMHO the whole "Internet advertisement" is pulled out of proportions big time which may also be the reason that some (IMO tweaked) results are dissapointing.
My only conclusion can be that SF freaks are going for the worldrecord of breaking as much 'odd' laws as possible without causing harm to the community! So; whats next? Putting it on top of some office building so they can violate the max. height of the skyline?:-)
Which is indeed basicly my only question since the rest of the article makes sense IMO. I've seen quite some posted comments who, next to the product itself, discuss whether this thingie can or cannot be called an OS and this made me wonder. As far as I can see (note; I'm not a programmer and didn't check the sourcecode. One of the reasons for this post) this is indeed not a real OS. It is kernel independent yet needs a 2.2. based kernel to run. Doesn't make much sense IMO since kernel independency would mean that it should also be able to do the stable 2.0.38.
But besides that there is still something which puzzles me. Netware (remember?) also was considered to be a full blown NOS (Network Operating System), it just needed DOS to boot it. After that DOS became obsolete and could even be removed from memory. A proven fact IMO since you could basicly use -any- DOS version around, despite its (lack of) capabilities. Netware could even be made to run under OS/2.
So now I wonder if this is the same for this program. What I've read so far makes me pretty convinved that this is indeed far from being an OS but I still wonder if it is possible that it only needs to 'boot' in order to take control over the system. If that would be the case then they can indeed call this product an OS since the booting procedure of an OS is totally irrelevant to the question if it is indeed a full blown OS.
I'm continuing the conversation offcourse. Esp. when you're trying to tell the one you are calling with some names or numbers. I can read them while talking, reread them while the other person repeats it to prevent mistakes, etc.
I have my PDA for a very good reason and that is to store and retrieve information. It would not be the first time that I'm looking up stuff while talking with someone to either check their story, look up and double check my own notes, or even when planning a meeting. That is kinda impossible with this device as far as I can see.
All these 'combined' solutions seem pretty nice yet I think it isn't allways handy to combine the two products. I rely heavily on my Psion palmtop, not only for my agenda but for allmost everything I need to remember / know / be able to look up. This can vary from commonly known information up to more private stuff.
It happens more then once that I'm being called on my cellphone (Ericsson sh888, blends in perfectly with my Psion) and that I need to look things up during the call. And thats something I think is very hard on devices like this, which makes them, IMHO offcourse, nice thingies but not functional in every case. I know about the handsfree feature on some devices, like the Nokia Communicator for example, but again this is not allways the perfect solution. Take my example with the call in the train; Often I don't need everyone to hear what the other side is telling me and vica versa. Besides; hands free calling in a train?
Therefor I really prefer to keep the PDA and the phone seperated. IMHO its much handier and more convenient. If my Psion runs dead I can still call others to ask for information.. If my phone runs dead there is a chance I can look it up (yes, sometimes I'm also too lazy and tend to call over looking it up):-)
I'm not to familier with US law but iirc then this only means that you can sniff for free in Georgia. But this does not mean that courts in other states, the supreme courts or courts in other countries will agree on this subject.
This could become quite interessting IMHO. So far I've seen very little 3l33t script kiddies who could also show any clue or even some knowledge of what they are doing. I could be wrong here but afaik the script kiddies are the ones scanning the most; they only need to know if a certain port is open so they can try out a program which will try to abuse the port. A real hacker would be more interessted in security flaws and bugs in software (remember the apache exploit a few months ago?).
SO... As far as I can see; What we may expierience here are a lot of narrow minded people who start out scanning hoping to find nasty exploitable ports feeling quite safe. And when they do in another state or country this could turn out to be very nasty. I'm not saying that this will happen, but I'm sure it could happen.
Up north of the US border, that amounts to about $175 by the time it gets to my door.
Thats odd. I live in Europe, also ordered Solaris 8 and it took them only 3 days to deliver. Considering the fact that I had to pay more for shipping & handling I think you're exagurating big time here.
That's a lot of money for a free OS on 2 CDs plus 6 CDs worth of junk that I don't want.
Read the site and that license again. Its not free software (yet?); "There are no fees for the right to use the software on computers with a capacity of eight or fewer processors", so it isn't free.
You "only need to register for your Solaris 8 Free 1-8 way license for Intel here and Sparc here". I would not be surprised if you didn't even read the site properly and are now "illigally" using the software. I think you're coming close to trolling; you had all the options to see what you were buying, you could have read the FAQ to see that you are not getting a free OS so basicly I see no reason to start whining afterwards.
Besides; 2 CD's & 6 worth of junk? It somehow figures; I'd expect a reaction such as yours from someone who would call CD's filled with buttloads of documentation (docserver2), Staroffice, Oracle 8i SQL server (trial), JAVA tools and much utilities (GNU extras) junk.
IMHO you got no one to kick but yourself if you are unsatisfied.
Nice story but this won't work. And this isn't speculating, its a mere fact. Dunno about the States but some time ago (I think last year) some company tried to oppose the monopoly of our phone company and offered cheaper phone rates but... Every 2 min. the conversation would be broken in order for no longer then 30 secs. of advertisment.
These people believed that, due to the few available options, they would gain some marketshare. Well.. The truth is that people seem to dislike ads. and this whole concept turned out to be a failure. Remember; here we are only talking 2 parties; one big (expensive) monopoly and one (cheap) firm who finances a lot with ads.
The Internet is a totally different story. When I go to Google and search for something chances are that I get a "zillion" results (esp. with the more popular items which will function as a magnet for ads). In other words; much more competition. If one site would start this webspam and another won't then I think I know the outcome. So its either all or nothing, and I truly do not see that happening. Unless they completely band together but... on the Internet? I don't think so Tim;-)
Thus Alice thinks she is talking directly to Bob in a secure manner, when in fact Charlie is in the middle intercepting the communications, able to monitor them and also to modify the content.
Bob : 245.345.0.20
Alice : 245.345.0.40
Charlie: 245.345.0.50
Now Alice wants on Bob's machine so he (Bob) opens up the firewall to allow Alice to access his server (don't forget; SSH isn't about encrypting and decrypting email, its a real time connection. And hey; if you need security and therefor use SSH but no firewall I think you're missing the point). Their keys get intercepted by Charlie. Charlie tries to access Bobs machine but is rejected by his firewall. Now what?
The same app runs on your phone, your pda, your fridge, Windows desktop, Linux desktop, Solaris desktop, and now - Internet browser!
I don't think that this is the issue here. You don't need valid reasons simply because there are so many of them allready defined. The question here would be 'do we need another?'. I agree with Wiggy here; we've seen so much allready, one even better then the other, but none ever seem to succeeded in becoming a commonly known (and used) standard. Sure; they all made their promisses. Your speech about running everywhere for example can easily be attached to Java. Java can do some great things, heck I even tried a complete office suite written in Java once (on OS/2, later I also tried it on Windows) which ran pretty smooth. OS/2 even had Java support completely implemented so I could run those applets as look alike native applications. In OS/2 I ran the suite like every other program while I needed a browser in Windows. Now I own a Psion 5mx which also has Java capabilities yet it seems no one is taking advantage of them which is a shame IMHO.
So what makes you thing this plugin will do the trick? Java evolved to a point where you could use it for office tasks, yet MS is trying something like this with their.NET strategy using a complete different setup (not even using their stolen^H^H^H^Hdeveloped Java clone). IMHO the concept is nice but don't expect too much just because it can do some nice tricks.
I guess this is happening all over Europe?;) Its exactly the same in Holland; even whole cities are divided in parts where there is ADSL available and parts where there isn't yet. And while you folks have some form of competition we have to wait for 1 big telecom firm to fix things up in (which is also causing the big delay afaik).
I'm not very familier with the situation in the UK but in Holland it is good proof why a monopoly is a bad thing(tm).
I'd like to see a contest (Quake, UT, or whatever game is easily played with this new hardware) and let people using this setup battle people who use regular controllers like mice, joysticks and the likes. I'm convinced that the latter will win. Your head wasn't made for playing action games, you got other 'tools' doing that for you.
Besides that; this will be fun too see when you're in the heat of the game and the phone starts ringing of something else is drawing your attention. Personally I don't think these products will do good at all. They sound like nice, short termed, toys which will also soon dissapear. Take for example MS's joystick (I forgot the name) which reacts to movement; is anyone actually using one of these I wonder.. In the local stores they seem to become obsolete. The same with the previous "head movement tool". You hardly see that around anymore as well.
Still no go IMHO. In fact; if we suppose that its not a fake, and therefor also assume that your idea could work, then you will have more overhead costs in the end with this solution.
When doing VPN the hardware responsible for connecting people also has firewall capabilties in most cases. That should be cheaper then a 2nd, third party, solution. But the real issue would be maintainance costs. If, for any reason, you need to change the firewall you got a heck of a problem with this piece of hardware while, when using conventionel methods, you should be able to operate it remotely OR send people updates which they can install (read; one mouseclick) themselves.
Personally I still prefer a solution which our company once implemented. We provided people with small 486 PC's with no harddisk but only a floppy disk, NIC and modem. They were used for running Linux (one disk based, check the router project) which worked perfectly. The moment that some major issues were spotted (security holes and such) we just sended people another diskette and told them to replace the original diskette and reboot (ctrl-alt-delete) the PC. IMHO nothing can beat that for costs. Cost of ownership as well as maintenance costs.
The OS on the host system can crash out, without affecting your firewall.
But where's the advantage? If the OS could affect your firewall otherwise you can be sure that the software running on the OS also sustains the proxy server. Since the proxy and any routing capabilities are gone after your OS crashes I also don't see anyone being able to do nasty things from the Internet.
If the OS can't effect your proxy but still is in some form of "protection control" you're probably using a router of some kind. But most routers also have firewalling capabilities nowadays, so why settle for a PCI card when you can in fact stop the burglar way sooner? Now that I'm focusing on security; take this situation and lets assume one uses this card.... Its 5pm and the people go home. The PC on which the PC card runs is turned off (by accident perhaps?) and now what ? This is a very nice and big security hole, if I ever seen one. Too big to be true IMHO.
You've never witnessed a vote re-count, have you? They *never* get the same figures twice.
Oh, I'm not stating that the result will be exactly the same as it was now, on the contrary. However; if you take a look at the current marge and the difference which remains (the final 3 states) then the gap is quite wide if you take Florida into consideration. If the final result would indeed differ that much I really wonder if they did a good job from the beginning.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but what I've heard is that Florida went to Bush in the first place but due to a state rule saying that if the difference between the votes were within a certain percentage they needed to re-count the votes.
I really doubt that a re-count of allready counted votes would suddenly turn out completely different. I'd say Bush won.
I doubt this story. According to the article its impossible for them due to heart and brain size. So far all we have found from the dinoraurs are mostly bones; how did they discover the size and the 'capacities' of the heart of these dinosaurs? Did they also 'asume' that the maximum capacity would be xxx (fill in your amount) ?
The reason why I think this story isn't true is relevance. In nature everything is there for a purpose. Offcourse we humans did things the other way and made our own tools, but animals have all the natural 'tools' they need to survive. Giraffe's have a long neck in order to reach their food, lions & tigers have sharp claws and teeth to kill and rip open their food, etc, etc. Everything is there for a reason.
Having a long neck for, say, 5 meters and holding it horizontal not only takes extremely more effort to maintain; it also doesn't make any sense what so ever. Why would they have a long neck when their head is close to the ground anyway? To look cool and being able to eat grass which is 7 meters away? I don't think so Tim.
I've seen this so called hacker on a Dutch television show and he's more then pathetic. When security and such were a bit more popular he got invited to a television show in which he would show how easy it was to hack a website. The site being targeted was www.voetbal.nl. Like I said it was more then pathetic; he claimed that he hacked it (during a commercial break) and when he wanted to show it it wasn't able to anymore. "They changed the password", he said. Yeah right; at 22:00 on a sunday someone is still working and immediatly changed the password in, say, 5 min. No, this is just your regular hacker wannabe who will try anything to "ride a wave" in order to get his name mentioned. Rememeber; "it doesn't matter how you talk about them as long as you are talking about them".
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Ehmz no. Does the name 'Faraday' ring a bell?
So far I've only heard about DoS attacks on websites and IRC servers. Could this be the beginning of a script kiddie actually using that grey blob of his a bit more then is reasonable?
SO, are there more people who feel that the most important advantage on servers would be iptables?
Not entirely since we can calculate the position of our planet after 70 years (ever seen RedShift? Its the perfect program for things like that) and if this comet has a static trajectory this can be easily calculated. But then again; it heavily depends on the comet itself ;)
I'm specially curious about its new orbit; any chance that these scientists can knock it into a new trajectory which will collide with earth in about 70 years? Has anyone calculated this risk as well?
Sure, Internet is young and dynamic but also seems clueless in some matters. These studies have been done before and I really wonder why Internet would be so much different ? IMHO the whole "Internet advertisement" is pulled out of proportions big time which may also be the reason that some (IMO tweaked) results are dissapointing.
My only conclusion can be that SF freaks are going for the worldrecord of breaking as much 'odd' laws as possible without causing harm to the community! So; whats next? Putting it on top of some office building so they can violate the max. height of the skyline? :-)
But besides that there is still something which puzzles me. Netware (remember?) also was considered to be a full blown NOS (Network Operating System), it just needed DOS to boot it. After that DOS became obsolete and could even be removed from memory. A proven fact IMO since you could basicly use -any- DOS version around, despite its (lack of) capabilities. Netware could even be made to run under OS/2.
So now I wonder if this is the same for this program. What I've read so far makes me pretty convinved that this is indeed far from being an OS but I still wonder if it is possible that it only needs to 'boot' in order to take control over the system. If that would be the case then they can indeed call this product an OS since the booting procedure of an OS is totally irrelevant to the question if it is indeed a full blown OS.
I have my PDA for a very good reason and that is to store and retrieve information. It would not be the first time that I'm looking up stuff while talking with someone to either check their story, look up and double check my own notes, or even when planning a meeting. That is kinda impossible with this device as far as I can see.
It happens more then once that I'm being called on my cellphone (Ericsson sh888, blends in perfectly with my Psion) and that I need to look things up during the call. And thats something I think is very hard on devices like this, which makes them, IMHO offcourse, nice thingies but not functional in every case. I know about the handsfree feature on some devices, like the Nokia Communicator for example, but again this is not allways the perfect solution. Take my example with the call in the train; Often I don't need everyone to hear what the other side is telling me and vica versa. Besides; hands free calling in a train?
Therefor I really prefer to keep the PDA and the phone seperated. IMHO its much handier and more convenient. If my Psion runs dead I can still call others to ask for information.. If my phone runs dead there is a chance I can look it up (yes, sometimes I'm also too lazy and tend to call over looking it up) :-)
This could become quite interessting IMHO. So far I've seen very little 3l33t script kiddies who could also show any clue or even some knowledge of what they are doing. I could be wrong here but afaik the script kiddies are the ones scanning the most; they only need to know if a certain port is open so they can try out a program which will try to abuse the port. A real hacker would be more interessted in security flaws and bugs in software (remember the apache exploit a few months ago?).
SO... As far as I can see; What we may expierience here are a lot of narrow minded people who start out scanning hoping to find nasty exploitable ports feeling quite safe. And when they do in another state or country this could turn out to be very nasty. I'm not saying that this will happen, but I'm sure it could happen.
And how is he going to hack the router? The same way as he's hacking Bobs machine?
You usually use the phone for that.
Thats odd. I live in Europe, also ordered Solaris 8 and it took them only 3 days to deliver. Considering the fact that I had to pay more for shipping & handling I think you're exagurating big time here.
That's a lot of money for a free OS on 2 CDs plus 6 CDs worth of junk that I don't want.
Read the site and that license again. Its not free software (yet?); "There are no fees for the right to use the software on computers with a capacity of eight or fewer processors", so it isn't free.
You "only need to register for your Solaris 8 Free 1-8 way license for Intel here and Sparc here ". I would not be surprised if you didn't even read the site properly and are now "illigally" using the software. I think you're coming close to trolling; you had all the options to see what you were buying, you could have read the FAQ to see that you are not getting a free OS so basicly I see no reason to start whining afterwards.
Besides; 2 CD's & 6 worth of junk? It somehow figures; I'd expect a reaction such as yours from someone who would call CD's filled with buttloads of documentation (docserver2), Staroffice, Oracle 8i SQL server (trial), JAVA tools and much utilities (GNU extras) junk.
IMHO you got no one to kick but yourself if you are unsatisfied.
These people believed that, due to the few available options, they would gain some marketshare. Well.. The truth is that people seem to dislike ads. and this whole concept turned out to be a failure. Remember; here we are only talking 2 parties; one big (expensive) monopoly and one (cheap) firm who finances a lot with ads.
The Internet is a totally different story. When I go to Google and search for something chances are that I get a "zillion" results (esp. with the more popular items which will function as a magnet for ads). In other words; much more competition. If one site would start this webspam and another won't then I think I know the outcome. So its either all or nothing, and I truly do not see that happening. Unless they completely band together but... on the Internet? I don't think so Tim ;-)
Bob : 245.345.0.20
Alice : 245.345.0.40
Charlie: 245.345.0.50
Now Alice wants on Bob's machine so he (Bob) opens up the firewall to allow Alice to access his server (don't forget; SSH isn't about encrypting and decrypting email, its a real time connection. And hey; if you need security and therefor use SSH but no firewall I think you're missing the point). Their keys get intercepted by Charlie. Charlie tries to access Bobs machine but is rejected by his firewall. Now what?
I don't think that this is the issue here. You don't need valid reasons simply because there are so many of them allready defined. The question here would be 'do we need another?'. I agree with Wiggy here; we've seen so much allready, one even better then the other, but none ever seem to succeeded in becoming a commonly known (and used) standard. Sure; they all made their promisses. Your speech about running everywhere for example can easily be attached to Java. Java can do some great things, heck I even tried a complete office suite written in Java once (on OS/2, later I also tried it on Windows) which ran pretty smooth. OS/2 even had Java support completely implemented so I could run those applets as look alike native applications. In OS/2 I ran the suite like every other program while I needed a browser in Windows. Now I own a Psion 5mx which also has Java capabilities yet it seems no one is taking advantage of them which is a shame IMHO.
So what makes you thing this plugin will do the trick? Java evolved to a point where you could use it for office tasks, yet MS is trying something like this with their .NET strategy using a complete different setup (not even using their stolen^H^H^H^Hdeveloped Java clone). IMHO the concept is nice but don't expect too much just because it can do some nice tricks.
I'm not very familier with the situation in the UK but in Holland it is good proof why a monopoly is a bad thing(tm).
Besides that; this will be fun too see when you're in the heat of the game and the phone starts ringing of something else is drawing your attention. Personally I don't think these products will do good at all. They sound like nice, short termed, toys which will also soon dissapear. Take for example MS's joystick (I forgot the name) which reacts to movement; is anyone actually using one of these I wonder.. In the local stores they seem to become obsolete. The same with the previous "head movement tool". You hardly see that around anymore as well.
When doing VPN the hardware responsible for connecting people also has firewall capabilties in most cases. That should be cheaper then a 2nd, third party, solution. But the real issue would be maintainance costs. If, for any reason, you need to change the firewall you got a heck of a problem with this piece of hardware while, when using conventionel methods, you should be able to operate it remotely OR send people updates which they can install (read; one mouseclick) themselves.
Personally I still prefer a solution which our company once implemented. We provided people with small 486 PC's with no harddisk but only a floppy disk, NIC and modem. They were used for running Linux (one disk based, check the router project) which worked perfectly. The moment that some major issues were spotted (security holes and such) we just sended people another diskette and told them to replace the original diskette and reboot (ctrl-alt-delete) the PC. IMHO nothing can beat that for costs. Cost of ownership as well as maintenance costs.
But where's the advantage? If the OS could affect your firewall otherwise you can be sure that the software running on the OS also sustains the proxy server. Since the proxy and any routing capabilities are gone after your OS crashes I also don't see anyone being able to do nasty things from the Internet.
If the OS can't effect your proxy but still is in some form of "protection control" you're probably using a router of some kind. But most routers also have firewalling capabilities nowadays, so why settle for a PCI card when you can in fact stop the burglar way sooner? Now that I'm focusing on security; take this situation and lets assume one uses this card.... Its 5pm and the people go home. The PC on which the PC card runs is turned off (by accident perhaps?) and now what ? This is a very nice and big security hole, if I ever seen one. Too big to be true IMHO.
Oh, I'm not stating that the result will be exactly the same as it was now, on the contrary. However; if you take a look at the current marge and the difference which remains (the final 3 states) then the gap is quite wide if you take Florida into consideration. If the final result would indeed differ that much I really wonder if they did a good job from the beginning.
I really doubt that a re-count of allready counted votes would suddenly turn out completely different. I'd say Bush won.
The reason why I think this story isn't true is relevance. In nature everything is there for a purpose. Offcourse we humans did things the other way and made our own tools, but animals have all the natural 'tools' they need to survive. Giraffe's have a long neck in order to reach their food, lions & tigers have sharp claws and teeth to kill and rip open their food, etc, etc. Everything is there for a reason.
Having a long neck for, say, 5 meters and holding it horizontal not only takes extremely more effort to maintain; it also doesn't make any sense what so ever. Why would they have a long neck when their head is close to the ground anyway? To look cool and being able to eat grass which is 7 meters away? I don't think so Tim.
I've seen this so called hacker on a Dutch television show and he's more then pathetic. When security and such were a bit more popular he got invited to a television show in which he would show how easy it was to hack a website. The site being targeted was www.voetbal.nl. Like I said it was more then pathetic; he claimed that he hacked it (during a commercial break) and when he wanted to show it it wasn't able to anymore. "They changed the password", he said. Yeah right; at 22:00 on a sunday someone is still working and immediatly changed the password in, say, 5 min. No, this is just your regular hacker wannabe who will try anything to "ride a wave" in order to get his name mentioned. Rememeber; "it doesn't matter how you talk about them as long as you are talking about them".