Myself, I go with a cron job to automatically update junk. I don't see what's so hard about that. And since security fixes and whatnot are usually backported, I haven't ever had a problem with updates breaking things. I doubt that's the same on Windows machines.
If you are at the type of place that needs to test every single update to make sure it doesn't break things, then I don't see how it's going to be easy on either Windows or Linux.
I don't know what the heck you've been reading, but performance has never been one of OpenBSD's strong points as compared to Linux and the various other BSD's.
As a guy who programs in fortran for a living, and has actually used the lapack and blas libraries, you're saying I don't know what lapack is? Right...correct me if I'm wrong here, but I wasn't the one saying lapack is a supercomputer benchmark.
And with that last little comment, I think it's kinda obvious who's being the asshole here.
Buddy, I know all this. You're the guy that doesn't know what's what here, which is why I chimed in in the first place. Again, the benchmark you first refered to, the one used to rank supercomputers, is the high performance linpack benchmark, more commonly just refered to as linpack, not lapack.
As for libraries, that's exactly what I've been telling you all along. They don't do anything by themselves. So why tell the guy to use a library for his burn in? Sure coming up with something that uses lapack is probably pretty simple, but only if you happen to have at least a basic understanding of linear algebra. Regardless, it's still a case of needlessly reinventing the wheel.
Once again, lapack isn't used to rank supercomputers as you assert. It's a linear algebra library. As far as I know, that's it. Linpack is what you're thinking of. More specificly the high performance linpack benchmark. If you don't believe me, refer to the top500 site. It's right there on the front page.
And cmon man, it's not about hate, I'm just trying to correct some misinformation here. Libraries don't just up and do something by themselves. Or what, you expect the guy to write his own cpu burn in program? Why reinvent the wheel?
Sorry, but I hate to break it to ya, it's called linpack. And I dunno about you, but where I come from, libraries don't tend to up and do things by themselves. You need to actually use them for something. This goes for linear algebra libraries like lapack and blas as well.
He agrees with you.
Yeah man, you're probably right actually. I think I may have jumped the gun on this one.
If anything it should be the other way around.
But I think you're jumping the gun on me here as well. All I'm saying is that if you're gonna disagree with the facts, things like the fossil record, then you're a moron. If you do happen to accept the facts, that evolution did indeed happen, then I have no problems with the widely accepted theories of how it happened. I'm all for the scientific method. But if you go and tell me the world was created in 7 days and evolution did not happen then I'm gonna have big problems with that.
And sure, if you want to get really deep deep philosophy on me, I supose I really can't really even argue that the world wasn't created in 7 days. I can't argue that the world isn't 4000 years old. I probably can't even argue that I exist. But that's a whole different ballgame.
Well that's entirely wrong. Theories can certainly change. Einstein's theory of gravitation is vastly different from Newton's. But no matter what our understanding of the phenomenon is, objects with mass will still attract each other.
The same goes for evolution. No matter how it happened exactly, life on earth has somehow changed from the single celled organisms and dinosaurs and what have you of the past into what it is today. I hate to say it, but in my opinion, you're an absolute moron if you can't see that.
Even so, it seems to me that the main difference between the unix forking example and the Linux kernel is that the Linux kernel is open, and thanks to the gpl will remain open. Fork it all you want, but I still get the source code.
Maybe it's just me, but I think you're missing the whole point. If you don't know anything about global warming, then you don't know any of those terms in the first place. So just how in the heck are you going to type that stuff into google?
Exactly. I mean, if you boot Fedora or Mandrake into single user mode I'd imagine it will be every bit as fast as whatever your Gentoo setup is. Or if you turn on as many services on your Gentoo machine as comes standard on a default Fedora or Mandrake install then your Gentoo machine will probably boot just as slow.
Of course with Gentoo you get the leetness of needing to do everything by hand. But if you don't like the Mandrake control center, then feel free to be just as leet on Mandrake and do things by hand there.
As for Mandrake being slow, my guess is it's just the -O7 --ultimate compiler flag placebo effect of Gentoo.
Cmon now jack. Not only can Xandros do everything Windows can, including run Windows applications like IE, office, quicken, what have you, it's debian based and runs every single Linux application I've ever thrown at it just fine. Add to it a sweet little "unsupported" apt repository that Xandros maintains and I'm set.
I mean, what do you run on your families desktop machines? Windows XP? Have fun with the viruses and spyware my friend. I've had Xandros running on my wife's, my mom's, my brothers, and my uncle's computer for months upon months now and let me tell you, aside from the various updates Xandros provides, it's set up the exact same way I left it the first time I touched the thing. Try that with a Windows box bud. But hey, do what you want man, it's your time.
I went with Xandros. It's like Debian with a Windows front end. And I gotta say, my mom loves it. She can even run Quicken. And I love it because months later everything still works exactly the way I set it up to work.
Is it just me, or is this cedega installer the biggest piece of junk ever made?
I tried it as a user, but that didn't work because it prompts me for a password. I mean, at that point alone the thing already stinks, but it gets worse. I enter the root password and it still doesn't work. I try again, nothing. Finally I figure out it's using sudo and enter my own password. Now I'm not a sudoer, so I need to set that up. Try again, and now it can't write to my home directory because it's an nfs share. Ok...why not just run it as root then. But when I run as root, it still tries to run sudo, so now, stupidly enough, I end up having to add root to the list of sudoers. Finally, that got the thing to work. But man, why in the hell not let me just install it as a normal user into my home directory? Would that be so hard? Good luck getting me to pay for junk like this...
Cmon jack, you misunderstand me, I'm not saying 3ware is software RAID here, at least I'm sure it's not totally software RAID, although I do suspect a good part of it is done in software just like a winmodem. Anyway, all I'm saying is regardless of what you go with, be it Linux software RAID or some sort of hardware RAID solution, you're best off staying shy of 3ware products (I highly recommend netapp by the way).
Fine. Didn't realize you slashdot types were so untrusting. =)
At my work we initially went with about 12 systems all with assorted 8 port or 4 port 3ware cards. Out of the 12 systems, only 3 of the RAIDs are currently in working order, and I expect they'll fail shortly. Sure they work great at first, but my idea of a nice RAID 5 setup is that when one drive fails you pop a replacement in and you're good to go. With 3ware cards, a drive fails, you reboot your system, and then you can't even boot up until you pull the 3ware card, or pull all the drives off of the card. I've tried and tried to slowly add the drives back but I always seem to end up with an unbootable system.
I'll tell you, I'm 100 percent happier with the ide to scsi RAID boxes we now go with.
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Myself, I go with a cron job to automatically update junk. I don't see what's so hard about that. And since security fixes and whatnot are usually backported, I haven't ever had a problem with updates breaking things. I doubt that's the same on Windows machines.
If you are at the type of place that needs to test every single update to make sure it doesn't break things, then I don't see how it's going to be easy on either Windows or Linux.
Seems like tweakui or whatever the heck it was called had a 'focus follows mouse' option.
I don't know what the heck you've been reading, but performance has never been one of OpenBSD's strong points as compared to Linux and the various other BSD's.
As a guy who programs in fortran for a living, and has actually used the lapack and blas libraries, you're saying I don't know what lapack is? Right...correct me if I'm wrong here, but I wasn't the one saying lapack is a supercomputer benchmark.
And with that last little comment, I think it's kinda obvious who's being the asshole here.
Buddy, I know all this. You're the guy that doesn't know what's what here, which is why I chimed in in the first place. Again, the benchmark you first refered to, the one used to rank supercomputers, is the high performance linpack benchmark, more commonly just refered to as linpack, not lapack.
As for libraries, that's exactly what I've been telling you all along. They don't do anything by themselves. So why tell the guy to use a library for his burn in? Sure coming up with something that uses lapack is probably pretty simple, but only if you happen to have at least a basic understanding of linear algebra. Regardless, it's still a case of needlessly reinventing the wheel.
Once again, lapack isn't used to rank supercomputers as you assert. It's a linear algebra library. As far as I know, that's it. Linpack is what you're thinking of. More specificly the high performance linpack benchmark. If you don't believe me, refer to the top500 site. It's right there on the front page.
And cmon man, it's not about hate, I'm just trying to correct some misinformation here. Libraries don't just up and do something by themselves. Or what, you expect the guy to write his own cpu burn in program? Why reinvent the wheel?
P.S. It's called blas, not lablas.
Sorry, but I hate to break it to ya, it's called linpack. And I dunno about you, but where I come from, libraries don't tend to up and do things by themselves. You need to actually use them for something. This goes for linear algebra libraries like lapack and blas as well.
He agrees with you.
Yeah man, you're probably right actually. I think I may have jumped the gun on this one.
If anything it should be the other way around.
But I think you're jumping the gun on me here as well. All I'm saying is that if you're gonna disagree with the facts, things like the fossil record, then you're a moron. If you do happen to accept the facts, that evolution did indeed happen, then I have no problems with the widely accepted theories of how it happened. I'm all for the scientific method. But if you go and tell me the world was created in 7 days and evolution did not happen then I'm gonna have big problems with that.
And sure, if you want to get really deep deep philosophy on me, I supose I really can't really even argue that the world wasn't created in 7 days. I can't argue that the world isn't 4000 years old. I probably can't even argue that I exist. But that's a whole different ballgame.
Well that's entirely wrong. Theories can certainly change. Einstein's theory of gravitation is vastly different from Newton's. But no matter what our understanding of the phenomenon is, objects with mass will still attract each other.
The same goes for evolution. No matter how it happened exactly, life on earth has somehow changed from the single celled organisms and dinosaurs and what have you of the past into what it is today. I hate to say it, but in my opinion, you're an absolute moron if you can't see that.
Even so, it seems to me that the main difference between the unix forking example and the Linux kernel is that the Linux kernel is open, and thanks to the gpl will remain open. Fork it all you want, but I still get the source code.
Maybe it's just me, but I think you're missing the whole point. If you don't know anything about global warming, then you don't know any of those terms in the first place. So just how in the heck are you going to type that stuff into google?
Looks like it's time for me to get a bike.
I could have sworn that was illegal though.
The one you like the best obviously. Try out as many distros as you can and find the one that suits you best.
Personally, I'd recommend Mandrake, but then I have no doubt that many people on here will be squarely against it.
Exactly. I mean, if you boot Fedora or Mandrake into single user mode I'd imagine it will be every bit as fast as whatever your Gentoo setup is. Or if you turn on as many services on your Gentoo machine as comes standard on a default Fedora or Mandrake install then your Gentoo machine will probably boot just as slow.
Of course with Gentoo you get the leetness of needing to do everything by hand. But if you don't like the Mandrake control center, then feel free to be just as leet on Mandrake and do things by hand there.
As for Mandrake being slow, my guess is it's just the -O7 --ultimate compiler flag placebo effect of Gentoo.
Right. Which explains Doom 3, Quake 3, Quake 2, Quake 1, Tribes 2, Savage, Unreal 2003, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, America's Army, whatever else I forgot, etc, etc. Long story short, you're smoking crack.
Well xchat definitely oughta be on the list of chat clients.
Cmon now jack. Not only can Xandros do everything Windows can, including run Windows applications like IE, office, quicken, what have you, it's debian based and runs every single Linux application I've ever thrown at it just fine. Add to it a sweet little "unsupported" apt repository that Xandros maintains and I'm set.
I mean, what do you run on your families desktop machines? Windows XP? Have fun with the viruses and spyware my friend. I've had Xandros running on my wife's, my mom's, my brothers, and my uncle's computer for months upon months now and let me tell you, aside from the various updates Xandros provides, it's set up the exact same way I left it the first time I touched the thing. Try that with a Windows box bud. But hey, do what you want man, it's your time.
I went with Xandros. It's like Debian with a Windows front end. And I gotta say, my mom loves it. She can even run Quicken. And I love it because months later everything still works exactly the way I set it up to work.
What in the world would my distro have to do with it? And no, I don't use Ubuntu, I don't know where you got that from.
Is it just me, or is this cedega installer the biggest piece of junk ever made? I tried it as a user, but that didn't work because it prompts me for a password. I mean, at that point alone the thing already stinks, but it gets worse. I enter the root password and it still doesn't work. I try again, nothing. Finally I figure out it's using sudo and enter my own password. Now I'm not a sudoer, so I need to set that up. Try again, and now it can't write to my home directory because it's an nfs share. Ok...why not just run it as root then. But when I run as root, it still tries to run sudo, so now, stupidly enough, I end up having to add root to the list of sudoers. Finally, that got the thing to work. But man, why in the hell not let me just install it as a normal user into my home directory? Would that be so hard? Good luck getting me to pay for junk like this...
Cmon jack, you misunderstand me, I'm not saying 3ware is software RAID here, at least I'm sure it's not totally software RAID, although I do suspect a good part of it is done in software just like a winmodem. Anyway, all I'm saying is regardless of what you go with, be it Linux software RAID or some sort of hardware RAID solution, you're best off staying shy of 3ware products (I highly recommend netapp by the way).
Oh, and just to clairfy, the thing won't even post with the 3ware card in. What kinda nonsense is that?
Sweet. Alan Cox has my back. Down with 3ware.
Fine. Didn't realize you slashdot types were so untrusting. =) At my work we initially went with about 12 systems all with assorted 8 port or 4 port 3ware cards. Out of the 12 systems, only 3 of the RAIDs are currently in working order, and I expect they'll fail shortly. Sure they work great at first, but my idea of a nice RAID 5 setup is that when one drive fails you pop a replacement in and you're good to go. With 3ware cards, a drive fails, you reboot your system, and then you can't even boot up until you pull the 3ware card, or pull all the drives off of the card. I've tried and tried to slowly add the drives back but I always seem to end up with an unbootable system. I'll tell you, I'm 100 percent happier with the ide to scsi RAID boxes we now go with.