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Don't sweat it.. After owning three CE devices and all of them being junk I'm just a bit biased...
Especially since before that I owned a Newton..;)
Re:Palm doesn't force you to buy any developer too
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Better idea: I'll just continue to not use the technology. I'm still unimpressed with the PocketPC. I might be out of date in my comments, however one thing I *am* up to date on is that the current Pocket PC's have *faster* StrongARM chips that my Newton MessagePad and yet my Newton MessagePad is FASTER than the PocketPC's.
Sorry, not interested. I'll wait for PalmOS 6 (based on BeOS).
Codwarrior isn't free....
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Codewarrior isn't free, but GCC is. And it always has been. And all CodeWarrior is really is a IDE that drives the GCC tools...
Palm doesn't force you to buy any developer tools.
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I've developed for both Palm and CE and I'm calling bullshite here...
This line is soooo much crap:
When I asked him why, he said it was simply easier to develop software for Windows CE handhelds. Palm forces you to buy a developer kit, but you can use standard Microsoft tools to develop for Windows CE. Windows CE 3.0 even has the source code available.
Palm doesn't force you to buy *anything*. If you want to develop with command-line tools, the gcc for Palm and the Palm SDK are available for *free*. You only need to worry about dev tool costs if you want to use something like CodeWarrior. And there are far cheaper alternatives too.
CE - on the other hand- requires you to buy Visual C++ for VB in order to use the CE development tools. So instead of paying 379 (the cost of a codewarrior license) you need to pay 600 for a copy of VC++ Professional. Or over 2000 dollars for MSDN...!
Oh yea... MS doesn't force you to buy *anything*.. riiiight.
While we're on the topic of it, development in CE is a nightmare. The CE emulator *rarely* behaves like the devices you need to deploy to. Palm, OTOH, has POSE - the Palm OS Emulator. And that, aside from IR support, behaves FAR closer to the Palm devices you want to deploy to than *any* CE tool. And this is accomplished by allowing developers to pull copies of their own ROMS right to hard disk.
Another reason for painful CE debugging comes when a device you want to debug against already has the VB (for example) runtime in ROM and it's a NON-DEBUG version. Try to put the debug version of the VBCE runtime in ROM and see what happens...
No thanks... maybe PocketPC/CE is prettier but that doesn't mean it's more powerful...
Re:Be a man! (I'm NOT a man...)
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LMAO!:D
Y'know as soon as I clicked 'Submit' I thought to myself 'Y'Know I'll bet corky is a woman'...
:))
Seriously, I think that PocketPC is overkill on the wallet. You have *all* of this functionality available to you on the Handspring thanks to springboard modules and more. So I just have never seen the point in going back to using WinCE or any of it's derivatives (and yes, I've used CE before - I've owned three CE-based devices and they were all junk).
But like I said before... I want another Newton.. not another Windoze system. And I don't use pretty colors as a criteria for choosing a PDA -- not that there's anything *wrong* with that, of course...;)
Why should I buy a Palm when I can buy a handheld PC that I can use as an MP3 player, voice recorder, and have wireless Internet access in full color to boot?
Because you should be man enough to not need a high-tech extension of your penis.. that's why.
:-P
Why the hell do you need your PDA to be an MP3 Player, etc etc,etc...? Next you're going to say "But wait! It also makes your whites the whitest they've ever been!!"
Besides the Handspring devices can already do *all* of the stuff you mentioned and more.
Talk to me when I don't have to be mired down in that POS PocketPC UI. I want the type of control and customizability (and Handwriting Recognition) you have in the NewtonOS...
Then again.. I guess that's why I still use my Newton...
Oh well.. guess I better prepare to be mod'ed down.. first time for everything I suppose.
Since Handspring wasn't able to make headway with the Edge model (thanks to lackluster marketing) they've instead taken the Edge innards and put them in two new cases (modeled after their more popular models) and provided the option for 16mb of RAM in one of them.
My only gripe is that they probably won't offer an 'upgrade' option to those of us who decided to go with the different product (Edge)...:/
I agree completely. I'm fed up with the lackluster job of Netscape. And Mozilla, while much better in release.9, still isn't up to snuff. Opera is smaller, lightning fast, Java and Javascript capable, rock solid, and is a *bargain* at $39 bucks considering these things. And if you don't want to pay for it, the banner ads aren't all that intrusive either.
I'm a huge fan of Minidisc. Now that the new MDLP format is out people can store 320 minutes of music on an 80-minute Minidisc. However, the method that is used to write the audio data to a minidisc is *not* the same as writing to an Audio CD. An Audio CD can have file references to the audio data itself (CDA, anyone?). However the TOC on a Minidisc is just an offset to a point on the disc containing the audio datastream. It's not compatbile with FAT, or any other file storage format, so storing MP3's on a minidisc simply isn't possible in their native format.
Yes, MD Data used to be available (as others have said here it was called a MO disk) but the disks were a different format (not compatbile with audio MD discs) and the drives were 750 dollars each. Combine that with the fact that MD data only holds 170MB of information and you can see why the format isn't around anymore (Sony doesn't even service the drives anymore, IIRC).
However, with a soundcard and a digital output, it *is* possible to record your MP3's into any decent portable Minidisc recorder. I have a Sony MZ-R900 and I can record up to 5 hours and 20 minutes of MP3s for about 1.50 USD a disc. Try getting 5 hours of MP3 on an MP3 player for only a buck and a half...:-) And if you want to play MD's in your car, there is an FM audio adapter you can plug most (if not all) MD decks into and listen to the player via your car radio.
Sure, but the fact that Boeing would make a special build of Win2k that does this is rather disturbing... And not everyone rates well enough to get the Lazy B to cough up cash for two boxes...
For those who think Sony's 500 dollar pricetag is a bit steep you might want to consider the HandEra 330 from http://www.handera.com/ . The 330 has a 320x240 screen, a virtual grafiti area (you can pop it up on demand), access to CF, MMC and SD cards. And the price tag is in the 350 dollar range.
You don't understand. It's not just after you install Win2k. Every time you reboot, the Boeing Win2K will check to see if you've installed another OS and kill access to it...
So then there is even *less* of a reason to get it.;-P Notes is a horrible email app, DB2 is a lousy database server and don't get me started about IBM's web server technology. They do some really good Java stuff at the alphaworks site. Why they don't actually put it in their products is beyond me...
I'm sure I'll get mod'ed down on this, but why bother buying this? You can get VMWare for Linux workstation for 99 bucks, run Windows 98 and MS Office, for less money per seat (at the and small business level of purchasing) than this Small Business Suite for Linux.
I'm not a Microsoft shill by any means (the more I use RH 6.2 the more I realize I'm in love with Linux). And, I'm a HUGE Java advocate (and MS has done *nothing* but make my life difficult there. But Corel Office AND MSOffice appear to be far better solutions than this (especially for small business) and it's easy to make them work in Linux (thanks to VMWare).
Wanna go even cheaper? StarOffice is outstanding.. even tho Sun owns it now...
If you think this scares you, Boeing is about to unleash a special version of Win2K on it's employees. This version will scan the users machine on boot, look for any OS'es that are *not* Win2K, and erase the boot information for them... It doesn't matter that you might actually *need* Linux on your machine for your work at Boeing, that LILO boot is gonna go bye-bye the next time you boot with this Boeing Win2K edition.
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Don't sweat it.. After owning three CE devices and all of them being junk I'm just a bit biased...
;)
Especially since before that I owned a Newton..
Better idea: I'll just continue to not use the technology. I'm still unimpressed with the PocketPC. I might be out of date in my comments, however one thing I *am* up to date on is that the current Pocket PC's have *faster* StrongARM chips that my Newton MessagePad and yet my Newton MessagePad is FASTER than the PocketPC's.
Sorry, not interested. I'll wait for PalmOS 6 (based on BeOS).
Codewarrior isn't free, but GCC is. And it always has been. And all CodeWarrior is really is a IDE that drives the GCC tools...
I've developed for both Palm and CE and I'm calling bullshite here...
This line is soooo much crap:
When I asked him why, he said it was simply easier to develop software for Windows CE handhelds. Palm forces you to buy a developer kit, but you can use standard Microsoft tools to develop for Windows CE. Windows CE 3.0 even has the source code available.
Palm doesn't force you to buy *anything*. If you want to develop with command-line tools, the gcc for Palm and the Palm SDK are available for *free*. You only need to worry about dev tool costs if you want to use something like CodeWarrior. And there are far cheaper alternatives too.
CE - on the other hand- requires you to buy Visual C++ for VB in order to use the CE development tools. So instead of paying 379 (the cost of a codewarrior license) you need to pay 600 for a copy of VC++ Professional. Or over 2000 dollars for MSDN...!
Oh yea... MS doesn't force you to buy *anything*.. riiiight.
While we're on the topic of it, development in CE is a nightmare. The CE emulator *rarely* behaves like the devices you need to deploy to. Palm, OTOH, has POSE - the Palm OS Emulator. And that, aside from IR support, behaves FAR closer to the Palm devices you want to deploy to than *any* CE tool. And this is accomplished by allowing developers to pull copies of their own ROMS right to hard disk.
Another reason for painful CE debugging comes when a device you want to debug against already has the VB (for example) runtime in ROM and it's a NON-DEBUG version. Try to put the debug version of the VBCE runtime in ROM and see what happens...
No thanks... maybe PocketPC/CE is prettier but that doesn't mean it's more powerful...
LMAO! :D
;)
Y'know as soon as I clicked 'Submit' I thought to myself 'Y'Know I'll bet corky is a woman'...
:))
Seriously, I think that PocketPC is overkill on the wallet. You have *all* of this functionality available to you on the Handspring thanks to springboard modules and more. So I just have never seen the point in going back to using WinCE or any of it's derivatives (and yes, I've used CE before - I've owned three CE-based devices and they were all junk).
But like I said before... I want another Newton.. not another Windoze system. And I don't use pretty colors as a criteria for choosing a PDA -- not that there's anything *wrong* with that, of course...
Why should I buy a Palm when I can buy a handheld PC that I can use as an MP3 player, voice recorder, and have wireless Internet access in full color to boot?
,etc...? Next you're going to say "But wait! It also makes your whites the whitest they've ever been!!"
Because you should be man enough to not need a high-tech extension of your penis.. that's why.
:-P
Why the hell do you need your PDA to be an MP3 Player, etc etc
Besides the Handspring devices can already do *all* of the stuff you mentioned and more.
Talk to me when I don't have to be mired down in that POS PocketPC UI. I want the type of control and customizability (and Handwriting Recognition) you have in the NewtonOS...
Then again.. I guess that's why I still use my Newton...
Oh well.. guess I better prepare to be mod'ed down.. first time for everything I suppose.
Since Handspring wasn't able to make headway with the Edge model (thanks to lackluster marketing) they've instead taken the Edge innards and put them in two new cases (modeled after their more popular models) and provided the option for 16mb of RAM in one of them.
:/
My only gripe is that they probably won't offer an 'upgrade' option to those of us who decided to go with the different product (Edge)...
Live and learn I guess...
I *rock* as a coder. The problem is the Slashdot people do *not*. Their damn software keeps mangling my perl code...
Oh well...
Do you think that Microsoft got John Edwards' help for this? ;-)
But Utah ought to be used to this. Mormons baptise the dead.. so why should they accept letters of support from them?
;-)
No, but the investors do... it sounds something like:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH CRAP!
Hotmail was shut down by the new flavor of Mountain Dew? Man.. that must be pretty strong stuff....
new version of the operational system of used open code more in the whole world
Hey.. I don't want used code.. I want minty-fresh new code...! Otherwise what am I paying them for?
The string 666 was found at position 2440 counting from the first digit after the decimal point. The 3. is not counted.
I *knew* PI was the tool of the Devil.. it just had to be. I'll be we can even find out the answer to who shot JFK in PI if we search hard enough...
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'
And the prompt is a nice one...
;-)
PROMPT=%@exec[*echos %_shell:%history %_cwd %+*set history=%@inc[%history]]$h$g
It looks like this on the screen:
0:2 H:\4NT302>
The one on my Linux box is currently in my sig...
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'
I agree completely. I'm fed up with the lackluster job of Netscape. And Mozilla, while much better in release .9, still isn't up to snuff. Opera is smaller, lightning fast, Java and Javascript capable, rock solid, and is a *bargain* at $39 bucks considering these things. And if you don't want to pay for it, the banner ads aren't all that intrusive either.
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'
I'm a huge fan of Minidisc. Now that the new MDLP format is out people can store 320 minutes of music on an 80-minute Minidisc. However, the method that is used to write the audio data to a minidisc is *not* the same as writing to an Audio CD. An Audio CD can have file references to the audio data itself (CDA, anyone?). However the TOC on a Minidisc is just an offset to a point on the disc containing the audio datastream. It's not compatbile with FAT, or any other file storage format, so storing MP3's on a minidisc simply isn't possible in their native format.
:-) And if you want to play MD's in your car, there is an FM audio adapter you can plug most (if not all) MD decks into and listen to the player via your car radio.
Yes, MD Data used to be available (as others have said here it was called a MO disk) but the disks were a different format (not compatbile with audio MD discs) and the drives were 750 dollars each. Combine that with the fact that MD data only holds 170MB of information and you can see why the format isn't around anymore (Sony doesn't even service the drives anymore, IIRC).
However, with a soundcard and a digital output, it *is* possible to record your MP3's into any decent portable Minidisc recorder. I have a Sony MZ-R900 and I can record up to 5 hours and 20 minutes of MP3s for about 1.50 USD a disc. Try getting 5 hours of MP3 on an MP3 player for only a buck and a half...
Hope someone finds this information helpful.
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'
Sure, but the fact that Boeing would make a special build of Win2k that does this is rather disturbing... And not everyone rates well enough to get the Lazy B to cough up cash for two boxes...
I guess I'm glad I don't work there anymore.
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'
For those who think Sony's 500 dollar pricetag is a bit steep you might want to consider the HandEra 330 from http://www.handera.com/ . The 330 has a 320x240 screen, a virtual grafiti area (you can pop it up on demand), access to CF, MMC and SD cards. And the price tag is in the 350 dollar range.
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'
Oh.. OK... I did miss the humor, but I caught it this time. No worries... :-)
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'
This coming from an anonymous coward. As if *you* have a fucking clue...
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'
You don't understand. It's not just after you install Win2k. Every time you reboot, the Boeing Win2K will check to see if you've installed another OS and kill access to it...
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'
So then there is even *less* of a reason to get it. ;-P Notes is a horrible email app, DB2 is a lousy database server and don't get me started about IBM's web server technology. They do some really good Java stuff at the alphaworks site. Why they don't actually put it in their products is beyond me...
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'
I'm sure I'll get mod'ed down on this, but why bother buying this? You can get VMWare for Linux workstation for 99 bucks, run Windows 98 and MS Office, for less money per seat (at the and small business level of purchasing) than this Small Business Suite for Linux.
I'm not a Microsoft shill by any means (the more I use RH 6.2 the more I realize I'm in love with Linux). And, I'm a HUGE Java advocate (and MS has done *nothing* but make my life difficult there. But Corel Office AND MSOffice appear to be far better solutions than this (especially for small business) and it's easy to make them work in Linux (thanks to VMWare).
Wanna go even cheaper? StarOffice is outstanding.. even tho Sun owns it now...
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'
If you think this scares you, Boeing is about to unleash a special version of Win2K on it's employees. This version will scan the users machine on boot, look for any OS'es that are *not* Win2K, and erase the boot information for them... It doesn't matter that you might actually *need* Linux on your machine for your work at Boeing, that LILO boot is gonna go bye-bye the next time you boot with this Boeing Win2K edition.
Nice huh?
perl -le '$_="6110>374086;2064208213:90<307;55";tr[0- >][ LEOR!AUBGNSTY];print'