Actually, I think interpretation should depend on whether you're dealing with criminal or civil cases. in a criminal case, the fact that the ISP holds me accountable for activity doesn't mean I can be charged with theft/fraud/whatever if someone somehow gets on my IP and starts making purchases with stolen credit cards, hacking into bank accounts, or whatever. Maybe if I had an open wifi they could hit me with some sort of negligence-related charge, but not the criminal charge. BUT, for civil cases, that may be different. The whole preponderance of evidence thing being different, maybe there it would be valid to hit the responsible party with a civil suit for allowing 'illegal activity x' on their network, or failing to lock things down, or something.
like cost of production. I'm sure people are looking into the manufacturing process. once (if) it becomes economically competitive you'll see it in marketable products. not before.
A comment above yours makes an interesting point: The witness protection program. I would prefer systems exist that protect witnesses who would otherwise be coerced or killed prior to testimony. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1293041&cid=28594959
if there is no place for government secrecy, what about WitSec protectee information? Is that fair game?
Sure, I could upgrade the laptop to Win7. I could upgrade the hardware in the desktop. But why would I? I currently don't need more hard drive capacity. When I do, an external is an cheap option. If that's all I needed, for $30 I multiply my disk space several times.
Why do I need to upgrade the OS?
Fair enough that you won't try to sell me anything, but other people are. They're taking it for granted that 'why' should be self-evident with no need for an answer. It's not.
thermionics or thermoelectrics: either cool or recover power. you won't do both. And you'll add more net heat in the box if used for cooling. If you can keep that heat away from critical components, there may be a net benefit. If you use it to recover power, it'll have to be in the thermal path and will increase the thermal bottleneck in getting heat out. So you're recovered power comes at the cost of hotter heat generating components.
Just remember: if you're leaving the U.S. for good be sure to stop by the U.S. Treasury with a check for ~$40,000. Wouldn't want you to skip town without paying for your share of services received.
system 1: My aging (bought in 2003) home PC is currently running WinXP Home. It's a P4 2.4Ghz with 1Gb ram (maxed), an ATI 9600XT (AGP only, no PCIe), and still just a 30Gb drive. (dual boots to PCLinuxOS) Last clean install was ~2 years ago. Since I'm not stupid, it still runs well. OpenOffice, Paint.net (best things since sliced bread), manages my audiobooks downloads from the library, internet crap, even a little Octave when I don't have my work laptop handy. My gaming is mostly limited to 3-5 year old titles (just not enough time to catch up...) and abandonware.
system 2: Slightly younger (bought in 2006) Inspiron 6000 laptop. WinXP MCE, 60Gb drive, 128mb ATI x300, 1.7Ghz Pentium M, 2Gb ram maxed. Runs fine, even though I never did a fresh wipe (pc decrapifier FTW!). Holds my wife's photo's, the few MP3's she wants, MS Office, everything over the net we care about, and some games to keep her happy.
So, I'm considering: sell me on an upgrade.
Note: I have a wife and kids who like to lay claim to my cash. So, you're in competition with: (1) other OS options, (2) other financial needs, (3) the 'do nothing' option.
The spam industry has imposed escalating usage costs on every mail server out there (bandwidth, storage, filtering, etc.). I'm sure someone did a guestimate study on total cost of spam that quantifies this, and while it isn't bringing down the banking system, it is something when taken in aggregate. Is stealing $1 from 1,000,000 people better than if someone steals $1,000,000 from one person? It's the same loss of economic capital (to those who should have it, at least), plus broken-window-esque inefficiencies that can drag down the economy.
And cherry picking one result just to fan some flames:
Pulmonary hazards of smoking marijuana as compared with tobacco TC Wu, DP Tashkin, B Djahed, and JE Rose - N Engl J Med. 1988 Feb 11;318(6):347-51
"We conclude that smoking marijuana, regardless of tetrahydrocannabinol content, results in a substantially greater respiratory burden of carbon monoxide and tar than smoking a similar quantity of tobacco"
Yes, there's more to it than that. And yes there are 612 items listed under that google search. And no, I didn't read through them for a counterpoint. Feel free. But I have no problem believing him to be a gov't funded expert. (note that doesn't make him a government expert.)
actually, not selling the product and not selling support on the product are two very different things. They could keep selling the product, but with a notice that the product is no longer supported by live customer service. Patch / update development (if any) could be limited to what gets developed for existing, paid service contracts, which don't have to be renewed.
Granted, they aren't forcing upgrades (since people can keep XP if they want it), they're just ending sale of an older product. If this somehow forced people to upgrade, the case would be a slam dunk. As it is, seems like a tough sell.
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Actually, I think interpretation should depend on whether you're dealing with criminal or civil cases. in a criminal case, the fact that the ISP holds me accountable for activity doesn't mean I can be charged with theft/fraud/whatever if someone somehow gets on my IP and starts making purchases with stolen credit cards, hacking into bank accounts, or whatever. Maybe if I had an open wifi they could hit me with some sort of negligence-related charge, but not the criminal charge. BUT, for civil cases, that may be different. The whole preponderance of evidence thing being different, maybe there it would be valid to hit the responsible party with a civil suit for allowing 'illegal activity x' on their network, or failing to lock things down, or something.
paypal?
"maybe I'm missing something"
like cost of production. I'm sure people are looking into the manufacturing process. once (if) it becomes economically competitive you'll see it in marketable products. not before.
A comment above yours makes an interesting point: The witness protection program. I would prefer systems exist that protect witnesses who would otherwise be coerced or killed prior to testimony.
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1293041&cid=28594959
if there is no place for government secrecy, what about WitSec protectee information? Is that fair game?
you failed to answer the question: why
Sure, I could upgrade the laptop to Win7. I could upgrade the hardware in the desktop. But why would I? I currently don't need more hard drive capacity. When I do, an external is an cheap option. If that's all I needed, for $30 I multiply my disk space several times.
Why do I need to upgrade the OS?
Fair enough that you won't try to sell me anything, but other people are. They're taking it for granted that 'why' should be self-evident with no need for an answer. It's not.
Why?
I would think FF and Rew would work off of local cache. hence they could be locally responsive.
thermionics or thermoelectrics: either cool or recover power. you won't do both. And you'll add more net heat in the box if used for cooling. If you can keep that heat away from critical components, there may be a net benefit. If you use it to recover power, it'll have to be in the thermal path and will increase the thermal bottleneck in getting heat out. So you're recovered power comes at the cost of hotter heat generating components.
Just remember: if you're leaving the U.S. for good be sure to stop by the U.S. Treasury with a check for ~$40,000. Wouldn't want you to skip town without paying for your share of services received.
where's my mod points when I need them?
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I want to know how in the '90s it became acceptable for games to cost $50.
Ok, I'll bite:
system 1:
My aging (bought in 2003) home PC is currently running WinXP Home. It's a P4 2.4Ghz with 1Gb ram (maxed), an ATI 9600XT (AGP only, no PCIe), and still just a 30Gb drive. (dual boots to PCLinuxOS) Last clean install was ~2 years ago. Since I'm not stupid, it still runs well. OpenOffice, Paint.net (best things since sliced bread), manages my audiobooks downloads from the library, internet crap, even a little Octave when I don't have my work laptop handy. My gaming is mostly limited to 3-5 year old titles (just not enough time to catch up...) and abandonware.
system 2:
Slightly younger (bought in 2006) Inspiron 6000 laptop. WinXP MCE, 60Gb drive, 128mb ATI x300, 1.7Ghz Pentium M, 2Gb ram maxed. Runs fine, even though I never did a fresh wipe (pc decrapifier FTW!). Holds my wife's photo's, the few MP3's she wants, MS Office, everything over the net we care about, and some games to keep her happy.
So, I'm considering: sell me on an upgrade.
Note: I have a wife and kids who like to lay claim to my cash. So, you're in competition with: (1) other OS options, (2) other financial needs, (3) the 'do nothing' option.
hmmm... leaked tape coming to light soon? I'm sure the Pam video convinced a couple people to move to DSL...
The spam industry has imposed escalating usage costs on every mail server out there (bandwidth, storage, filtering, etc.). I'm sure someone did a guestimate study on total cost of spam that quantifies this, and while it isn't bringing down the banking system, it is something when taken in aggregate. Is stealing $1 from 1,000,000 people better than if someone steals $1,000,000 from one person? It's the same loss of economic capital (to those who should have it, at least), plus broken-window-esque inefficiencies that can drag down the economy.
Just for kicks:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=author%3AD-P-Tashkin
And cherry picking one result just to fan some flames:
Pulmonary hazards of smoking marijuana as compared with tobacco
TC Wu, DP Tashkin, B Djahed, and JE Rose - N Engl J Med. 1988 Feb 11;318(6):347-51
"We conclude that smoking marijuana, regardless of tetrahydrocannabinol content, results in a substantially greater respiratory burden of carbon monoxide and tar than smoking a similar quantity of tobacco"
Yes, there's more to it than that. And yes there are 612 items listed under that google search. And no, I didn't read through them for a counterpoint. Feel free. But I have no problem believing him to be a gov't funded expert. (note that doesn't make him a government expert.)
concrete contains cement.
geocities2.0
and we can keep going, but I don't have dollar values: ...
Dept of Defense - ARO, ONR, AFOSR, AFRL, ARL, NRL, DARPA, RDECOM
Blocked by Websense
but at least they won't have any corrupt superblocks.
maybe a valid trademark claim?
actually, not selling the product and not selling support on the product are two very different things. They could keep selling the product, but with a notice that the product is no longer supported by live customer service. Patch / update development (if any) could be limited to what gets developed for existing, paid service contracts, which don't have to be renewed.
Granted, they aren't forcing upgrades (since people can keep XP if they want it), they're just ending sale of an older product. If this somehow forced people to upgrade, the case would be a slam dunk. As it is, seems like a tough sell.
no, not a huge explosion. just self annihilation.
agreed. you can cheat the death feature with the save game if you do it right.
I'm shaking, I'm shaking.
arcade Asteroids was much better than the atari version. something cool about the ghostly vector graphics