A crank like Galileo perhaps? The community doesn't always know which ideas are correct. Especially when Politics get involved. Which strangely enough is exactly what Dr. Lindszen was complaining about. Your point doesn't hold water. If you want to discredit him discredit his actual data don't assume that because the more vocal portion of the community dislikes him that his data is bad.
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try group-office www.group-office.com I'ts a snap to install and works pretty well. It has a lot of modules but you only have to activate the calendar one if that's all you want. Of course I like the one-click time-management for projects myself. 2.15 final2 is pretty stable.
Find a way to survive the natural process... Of course before we can do that we have to convince everyone else that it is a natural process. Especially since they already have this preconcieved notion that it's all caused by Humanity.
oh really did you read all the way down the list or just scan the first 3? Cause I saw a whole Accounting/CRM/ERP package on there and I'm pretty sure that neither Ms Money or Quicken have that kind of functionality.
So many things. Where to start? I guess the first one will do:
Both are theories that best fit the facts as we know them.
So how exactly does global warming fit the facts as we know them. What facts are we referring to? Reputable scientists in Climatology have been saying all along that we don't have near enough facts to even begin to have a workable model on the time scale we'd need to examine whether global warming is caused by industrial societies or is natural. So actually It's not really the best theory it's just one possible explanation with very little evidence to back it up as of yet.
Imagine the New Orleans disaster... everywhere.
How convenient that the New Orleans flooding was recent enough to use as an example. Never mind that the reason New Orleans flooded was because a bunch of ecology lobbyist types blocked the repair of it's levees and blocked any attempt at managing flood waters effectively. That had nothing to do with global warming and everything to do with politics interfering with real science and engineering to solve the problem. So, Given what Dr. Lindszen is saying, might I pose this scenario again? "Imagine the New Orleans disaster... everywhere"
who said Lindszens papers were being rejected? His got in no doubt because of the prestige. He's not complaining about his own reception. He's complaining about the politicization of his branch of science muddying the water. Get your facts straight or no one is going to take your arguments seriously.
First how do you know he actually gets any money from them.
Second if he does how do you know he's faking research?
Third If I got a warm fuzzy feeling just from assuming the worst so I could look like a wise hero then I might jump to the conclusing that Global Warming is a real problem too. (using the same logic you seem to be proposing above anyway)
Not only that but if the linux market share in China rises could this mean possibly lower amounts of spam coming from that area? I wonder how much spam coming from china is from improperly patched hacked copies of windows running and how much is from actual malicious chinese spam rings.
no it doesn't. You could find a different supplier perhaps. I don't know as much about the structural steel industry as others that's true. However it has been my experience that the software is never a deal killer.
I'm curious though what exactly do these steel libraries do? Are they custom models already completed with structural and density variables programmed in? If so is there a possiblity you could work a deal where you provided the supplier with those same libraries in return for a break on product? There is always a way. What your really saying is that you just don't like the other options and prefer the windows route. That's perfectly fine but don't justify it with "I have no choice." Because that's just not true.
hrmmmm again there are linux replacements for Autocad. Not sure about the controlling software. Thats a specialized case though that many businesses in America don't need to worry about.
So far the only responses to my question seem to be making the mistake that industry standard software means irreplaceable software. That's not what I asked though. Still waiting for someone to name a windows business app that doesn't have a working linux replacement.
Exactly which piece of software can't you live without? You said after OpenOffice the choices were limited but for the life of me I just can't think of a single business app without a linux runnable replacement. Perhaps you work in an unusual environment but I'm just a little curious what these mysterios apps are.
And Yet now here we are. with Scientists "IN THE MEDIA" talking about global warming. I could set up a website too that pointed to papers with scientists saying "yah we don't have a clue" being published today. The fact remains that the grandfather post's point still stands. Lots of hysteria, over what may in fact be nothing.
Hrrmmm and Climatoligists are not Chemistry Professors so what are they doing talking about the chemical processes of greenhouse gases and their effects?
Most knowledge requires cross pollination. If you're two narrow in your field of study you might miss some important and relevant information. Chemistry plays a fundamental role in this whole Global Warming thing. I'd think that maybe this guy's chemistry professor might have some valid input.
Any Project whether it's open source or commercial needs this to succeed. Open source is more than a development model. It's a software licensing model. As a result it's also a software as service model. The main difference between commercial and open source is the openness of the code and tendency to the service side rather than shrinkwrapped.
And Yet those same major research clinics will most often give treatment without payment.
As for preventive medicine benefiting society as a whole. That's all fine and dandy but someone still has to pay for it. Maybe you think it's selfish but I prefer to let actual charities handle this instead of some corrupt government organization. They do a better job, are more efficient, and provide better quality.
Societies also benefit from holding people accountable for their own health, wealth, and education. Universal Healthcare makes no provision for that. America's system works well. I'd rather not mess with it. If you think you can find a way to strike a better balance then by all means do so.
I'd much rather pay the bills for 3 or 4 people myself than have the government do it. They would only botch the job.
The problem the other way is that healthcare is even more expensive. You've just moved the burden of payment to someone else and added the additional cost of Beauracracy and management. Now I'm all for Charity just not government mandated charity. For every subjective example you can give someone else has an equally compelling example for the opposite. The stats tell a much different story however.
For instance, when healthcare is paid for by someone else healthcare fraud increases exponentially. Add to that the lower incentive of companies to develope new treatments and more research and you have a recipe for squashing your medical industry. Someone above mentioned that people come to America for the higher quality treatments. The reason is because the American Health System makes such treatments flourish. I prefer to stick with the lesser of two evils.
According to the facts NationMaster America has some of the best overall statistics in health of any nation especially in the region of infant mortality and life expectancy. The only exceptions being countries like Sweden where the tax rate is around 25-35% or Contries whose poplutions are so small as to skew the statistics disproportionately. In countries with Universal Healthcare the cost is spiralling heavily upward despite the way it is hidden from it's citizens. In most all countries this upward spiral is resulting in them having to slash benefits in order to keep up. This happened a number of times in recent years in Europe and Japan. If a system is unsustainable and cost prohibitive to a nation then it can not possibly be considered more efficient.
Meanwhile tens of thousands of Americans die every year who would have otherwise survived in all other western nations (because those nations have universal healthcare, and we do not).
Got any figures to back this one up? Cause last time I checked America has the best most efficient health system in the world. All those western nations you mentioned? Most of their citizens look for ways to come over here for their healthcare. Not to mention the difficulty of finding good doctors there. And the huge cost problems in maintaining the system causing a lower quality of care. Just because the law says your governement has to provide healthcare doesn't mean it can provide healthcare of a decent quality. I wouldn't trade America's health system with all its problems for the kind of quality I would get out there. Not in a million years.
Old VB can teach: Branching, Looping, Thinking Logically
Old VB does not teach: Data Structure design, Object Oriented Design, Encapsulation, or Abstraction.
So I guess you'd have to say it depends on what you want to teach. If all you want to teach is the top set then sure. However if you want to teach the second set without having to teach a second language then VB is not a good choice.
VB.Net on the other hand puts them all together so it would certainly qualify.
As to why we think of VB as a toy language. That is simple. Its a language for non-developers to act like developers. It's whole purpose was to enable non developer people to quickly develop small simple applications. It was never intended for use in developing large or medium scale applications. For that it's toolset is abysmally poor. It's Close Cousin VBScript falls miserably short in that respect too. Coding ASP in VBScript feels like trying to Paint a picture with only 2 colors or draw a landscape with only straight lines. You can do it but man is it limiting to work that way.
Your argument would make some sense if the base facts were correct. Since a proper install of a stable firefox release does not freeze hardly ever the rest of your statement falls apart.
It may be that you tried an unstable developer build. Or perhaps your install corrupted (happens to IE too). Or you used an unstable extension( At least Firefox warns you before you install it) Or your OS install was corrupted. None of those things are the fault of Firefox and all of them occur in equal proportion to IE installs (maybe even more). So one has to wonder if you really thought that through or not.
Larry, I think you kind of missed the point. Open Source Doesn't need Big Business. Small business needs Open Source. Or more accurately Businesses trying to compete in a market ruled by qasi-monopolies need open source. When a business contributes to Open Source it may help the project succeed, but the help goes both ways.
The current success of Open Source is just a natural product of a Free Market reacting to an existing Monopoly. Companies needed a way to compete. OSS gave them one way to do just that. Open Source by it's very nature doesn't "need" anyone. It's just one more tool that companies trying to stay ahead of Microsoft, Oracle, SAP and others can use to keep their heads above water. The real key here is that it is working. Maybe not as fast as some think it is. Or in the way that some would like it to, but it is working. And in the process it's changing the Software Market forever.
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A crank like Galileo perhaps? The community doesn't always know which ideas are correct. Especially when Politics get involved. Which strangely enough is exactly what Dr. Lindszen was complaining about. Your point doesn't hold water. If you want to discredit him discredit his actual data don't assume that because the more vocal portion of the community dislikes him that his data is bad.
try group-office www.group-office.com I'ts a snap to install and works pretty well. It has a lot of modules but you only have to activate the calendar one if that's all you want. Of course I like the one-click time-management for projects myself. 2.15 final2 is pretty stable.
Find a way to survive the natural process... Of course before we can do that we have to convince everyone else that it is a natural process. Especially since they already have this preconcieved notion that it's all caused by Humanity.
oh really did you read all the way down the list or just scan the first 3? Cause I saw a whole Accounting/CRM/ERP package on there and I'm pretty sure that neither Ms Money or Quicken have that kind of functionality.
So how exactly does global warming fit the facts as we know them. What facts are we referring to? Reputable scientists in Climatology have been saying all along that we don't have near enough facts to even begin to have a workable model on the time scale we'd need to examine whether global warming is caused by industrial societies or is natural. So actually It's not really the best theory it's just one possible explanation with very little evidence to back it up as of yet.
How convenient that the New Orleans flooding was recent enough to use as an example. Never mind that the reason New Orleans flooded was because a bunch of ecology lobbyist types blocked the repair of it's levees and blocked any attempt at managing flood waters effectively. That had nothing to do with global warming and everything to do with politics interfering with real science and engineering to solve the problem. So, Given what Dr. Lindszen is saying, might I pose this scenario again? "Imagine the New Orleans disaster... everywhere"
who said Lindszens papers were being rejected? His got in no doubt because of the prestige. He's not complaining about his own reception. He's complaining about the politicization of his branch of science muddying the water. Get your facts straight or no one is going to take your arguments seriously.
Now that has to be the best response I've heard in a while on this whole debate.
Probably helps that you actually know what your talking about.
First how do you know he actually gets any money from them.
Second if he does how do you know he's faking research?
Third If I got a warm fuzzy feeling just from assuming the worst so I could look like a wise hero then I might jump to the conclusing that Global Warming is a real problem too. (using the same logic you seem to be proposing above anyway)
Not only that but if the linux market share in China rises could this mean possibly lower amounts of spam coming from that area? I wonder how much spam coming from china is from improperly patched hacked copies of windows running and how much is from actual malicious chinese spam rings.
I concede then. In your case Windows does make more sense. I do notice that no one in any other industry has raised a valid point however.
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no it doesn't. You could find a different supplier perhaps. I don't know as much about the structural steel industry as others that's true. However it has been my experience that the software is never a deal killer.
I'm curious though what exactly do these steel libraries do? Are they custom models already completed with structural and density variables programmed in? If so is there a possiblity you could work a deal where you provided the supplier with those same libraries in return for a break on product? There is always a way. What your really saying is that you just don't like the other options and prefer the windows route. That's perfectly fine but don't justify it with "I have no choice." Because that's just not true.
hrmmmm again there are linux replacements for Autocad. Not sure about the controlling software. Thats a specialized case though that many businesses in America don't need to worry about.
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So far the only responses to my question seem to be making the mistake that industry standard software means irreplaceable software. That's not what I asked though. Still waiting for someone to name a windows business app that doesn't have a working linux replacement.
erhhh.... no that has linux replacements. see here for a list.
http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/269/
some of those are even commercial.
Exactly which piece of software can't you live without? You said after OpenOffice the choices were limited but for the life of me I just can't think of a single business app without a linux runnable replacement. Perhaps you work in an unusual environment but I'm just a little curious what these mysterios apps are.
And Yet now here we are. with Scientists "IN THE MEDIA" talking about global warming. I could set up a website too that pointed to papers with scientists saying "yah we don't have a clue" being published today. The fact remains that the grandfather post's point still stands. Lots of hysteria, over what may in fact be nothing.
Hrrmmm and Climatoligists are not Chemistry Professors so what are they doing talking about the chemical processes of greenhouse gases and their effects?
Most knowledge requires cross pollination. If you're two narrow in your field of study you might miss some important and relevant information. Chemistry plays a fundamental role in this whole Global Warming thing. I'd think that maybe this guy's chemistry professor might have some valid input.
Any Project whether it's open source or commercial needs this to succeed. Open source is more than a development model. It's a software licensing model. As a result it's also a software as service model. The main difference between commercial and open source is the openness of the code and tendency to the service side rather than shrinkwrapped.
And Yet those same major research clinics will most often give treatment without payment.
As for preventive medicine benefiting society as a whole. That's all fine and dandy but someone still has to pay for it. Maybe you think it's selfish but I prefer to let actual charities handle this instead of some corrupt government organization. They do a better job, are more efficient, and provide better quality.
Societies also benefit from holding people accountable for their own health, wealth, and education. Universal Healthcare makes no provision for that. America's system works well. I'd rather not mess with it. If you think you can find a way to strike a better balance then by all means do so.
I'd much rather pay the bills for 3 or 4 people myself than have the government do it. They would only botch the job.
The problem the other way is that healthcare is even more expensive. You've just moved the burden of payment to someone else and added the additional cost of Beauracracy and management. Now I'm all for Charity just not government mandated charity. For every subjective example you can give someone else has an equally compelling example for the opposite. The stats tell a much different story however.
For instance, when healthcare is paid for by someone else healthcare fraud increases exponentially. Add to that the lower incentive of companies to develope new treatments and more research and you have a recipe for squashing your medical industry. Someone above mentioned that people come to America for the higher quality treatments. The reason is because the American Health System makes such treatments flourish. I prefer to stick with the lesser of two evils.
According to the facts NationMaster America has some of the best overall statistics in health of any nation especially in the region of infant mortality and life expectancy. The only exceptions being countries like Sweden where the tax rate is around 25-35% or Contries whose poplutions are so small as to skew the statistics disproportionately. In countries with Universal Healthcare the cost is spiralling heavily upward despite the way it is hidden from it's citizens. In most all countries this upward spiral is resulting in them having to slash benefits in order to keep up. This happened a number of times in recent years in Europe and Japan. If a system is unsustainable and cost prohibitive to a nation then it can not possibly be considered more efficient.
Got any figures to back this one up? Cause last time I checked America has the best most efficient health system in the world. All those western nations you mentioned? Most of their citizens look for ways to come over here for their healthcare. Not to mention the difficulty of finding good doctors there. And the huge cost problems in maintaining the system causing a lower quality of care. Just because the law says your governement has to provide healthcare doesn't mean it can provide healthcare of a decent quality. I wouldn't trade America's health system with all its problems for the kind of quality I would get out there. Not in a million years.
Old VB can teach: Branching, Looping, Thinking Logically
Old VB does not teach: Data Structure design, Object Oriented Design, Encapsulation, or Abstraction.
So I guess you'd have to say it depends on what you want to teach. If all you want to teach is the top set then sure. However if you want to teach the second set without having to teach a second language then VB is not a good choice.
VB.Net on the other hand puts them all together so it would certainly qualify.
As to why we think of VB as a toy language. That is simple. Its a language for non-developers to act like developers. It's whole purpose was to enable non developer people to quickly develop small simple applications. It was never intended for use in developing large or medium scale applications. For that it's toolset is abysmally poor. It's Close Cousin VBScript falls miserably short in that respect too. Coding ASP in VBScript feels like trying to Paint a picture with only 2 colors or draw a landscape with only straight lines. You can do it but man is it limiting to work that way.
Your argument would make some sense if the base facts were correct. Since a proper install of a stable firefox release does not freeze hardly ever the rest of your statement falls apart.
It may be that you tried an unstable developer build. Or perhaps your install corrupted (happens to IE too). Or you used an unstable extension( At least Firefox warns you before you install it) Or your OS install was corrupted. None of those things are the fault of Firefox and all of them occur in equal proportion to IE installs (maybe even more). So one has to wonder if you really thought that through or not.
Larry, I think you kind of missed the point. Open Source Doesn't need Big Business. Small business needs Open Source. Or more accurately Businesses trying to compete in a market ruled by qasi-monopolies need open source. When a business contributes to Open Source it may help the project succeed, but the help goes both ways.
The current success of Open Source is just a natural product of a Free Market reacting to an existing Monopoly. Companies needed a way to compete. OSS gave them one way to do just that. Open Source by it's very nature doesn't "need" anyone. It's just one more tool that companies trying to stay ahead of Microsoft, Oracle, SAP and others can use to keep their heads above water. The real key here is that it is working. Maybe not as fast as some think it is. Or in the way that some would like it to, but it is working. And in the process it's changing the Software Market forever.