$12.49 for The Matrix? I think I paid $5 shipped! If you have time to waste (hell, you're posting here, you do) visit dvdtalk.com's DVD Bargains forum. All the hot stuff is gone like you say but I'm sure you'll find some sweet deals... The key is to check it every couple days or read back in the forum to see what kind of deals have come up in the last couple weeks/months.
If you started your auction at $1 you'd sell it right away. If you watch eBay for a while you'll realize that the high bid items that people bid emotionally on are often started at a low price in order to draw the maximum number of bidders possible so you have a large number of people invested in winning. So if you want to sell it and get it over with start at $1. The market will decide the price. You might get $50, you might get $400, but if you start it at $200 you'll never find out.
...but I wish the U.S. did the same thing with its flag, if only to reduce the flow of cheesy patriotic" items that have appeared since September 11. Profiting from tragedy is always ugly.
Personally as a U.S. citizen I would much rather live with cheesy flag displays than have our government put yet another idiotic law on the books. Sure you are making light of the situation but do you really want another law too? There are way too many at this point in time. Way make more for worthless causes.
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IMHO, because if you need high end system in the first place, you will be really better served by buying system from Sun, IBM or HP. Their offerings of enterprise-class systems are much more mature and stable than any of the i386-base alternatives on the market today.
One could say the same thing about a non-SMP i386-based server versus one of the high end providers. The whole point is that x86 SMP servers raise the bar without raising the prices to those high end provider levels. There might be some drawbacks to x86 SMP but we've all seen people using them for years with various versions of Windows. Obviously other people out there in the *nix world see some value in x86 SMP and are working to make it just another platform choice.
SMPng project is not only about improving SMP performance of FreeBSD. It is also about making kernel fully preemtable, which has its advantages for real-time tasks, responsiveness in desktop and multgimedia environments. Besides, with an upcoming PPC and UltraSPARC ports having better SMP support kinda starts making more sense:)
Well yes but it is also to just plain get SMP going well. That is why I don't buy your arguement:). I'm sure you have valid points but neither of your responses highlight any reason that SMP on x86 is worthless and shouldn't be pursued.
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Well Sorcerer couldn't just use the FreeBSD ports because they have the specific patchs for FreeBSD. I assume you know that but just pointing out one downside. One you have to change all the patches to your system there isn't much left. Maybe it just depends how you look at it. Anyway, apparently Sorcerer decided to go from scratch and I don't really find that too surprising.
The interesting thing out there is OpenPorts. I don't really know what they plan on doing besides guessing from the name but it sounds good to me. Hrm... I'm not finding a page for the project.
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Intel system this is pretty worthless anyway.
Uh... Hrm... Mind trying to justify such a position? If it is worthless why is there such an effort in the FreeBSD community to make SMP priority for 5.0? Argue the point if you must but at least make sense:).
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I'm with you. Personally I would use a well done distrib that had the linux kernel + a base system and ports. I would also still use FreeBSD. Why do people have such a hard time seeing the benefit here? The linux kernel + base system + ports would be awesome for my laptop, desktop, etc. FreeBSD would be humming away on my servers. Of course if I started to really like the linux system better my servers might go that way too eventually but I don't see how either side would be affected negatively by a well done linux distrib that had these features.
Of course I'm not going to spend the time to make it. Talk is cheap:).
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Ports is a collection of applications that can easily be compiled for your operating system. Basically for FreeBSD you have/usr/ports. That directory contains various subdirectories dividing applications into www (apache, mod_php4, etc), lang (ruby, etc), mail (mutt, exim, etc), and so forth. Each directory for a specific application contains a number of files. Some of these are patch files that are applied to the source code of the port. See the ports tree doesn't contain the actual code of the application - it only contains enough logic to get the regular.tar.gz release (usually from the developers home site) and the patches to build it properly (particular distribution preferences on file structure, libraries, etc).
Every couple days I use cvsup to suck down the modifications to the ports tree to my FreeBSD box. Then I happen to use a relatively new tool not in the base system (portupgrade, written in ruby) to check if my currently installed packages are up to date. If they aren't, I can instruct portupgrade to upgrade them or go to each directory individually and do a "make install". Oh yeah, each directory has a Makefile:).
It's sort of like why distribute the source code if it is just going to get out of date (plus you'll be getting the source for all kinds of crap you never end up using). Of course now each application must be compiled but if you don't want to do that you can use the packages (precompiled binaries that can be added with pkg_add, etc).
Another benefit is ports can be on any version of the operating system because it is independent of the base system. Look at RedHat and you'll see compiled packages for RedHat 6.2, 7.2, etc (of course, before someone knee jerks a reply, RPMS are out there but I'm trying to make a point here). Ports avoids this. The price is compilation. A trade off. You make the call.
Hope that helps. Here is the FreeBSD handbook section for ports: ports-using.html (it contains a better description of what files are in a ports directory).
I just want to tell people that "Mandrake is great in the eyes of many people it isn't a real distrib. I'm sure these days they do all their packaging but lets not forget where they started - a hacked RedHat install." is rather untrue. Mandrake is now totally Red Hat-independant, has its own install (written from scratch in perl-gtk), and has not the same packages. Please don't provide false informations.
Uh... Did you read what I wrote and what you quoted? I said they *started* with RedHat packages (should have said packages instead of install in the original post but it is pretty clear) and then got on to their own two feet. There isn't anything wrong with that as I believe Mandrake got going purely with an emphasis on making linux/redhat a better desktop OS.
I didn't say that Mandrake still relies on RedHat. Please don't provide false somethings yourself:).
BTW, in my original post, I did not say that Mandrake over Red Hat was a slam dunk, I simply said that it was worthy of due consideration. 1.4 billion dollars can buy a lot of upgrades to MandrakeSoft. I'm sure that if AOL is seriously contemplating Red Hat, they would also be considering the alternatives.
Good point. I just don't think Mandrake is a realistic alternative. If you look at it from the point that AOL wants the best buy for a distribution that they can release for their own users you might be right. But I would think AOL/TW would be interested in a company like RedHat because it has other interests in the market besides being a consumer OS. RedHat would continue to be a viable business while working with AOL/TW on whatever they want too. In the same situation I would think Mandrake would be taken out back and sodomized:).
I guess what I'm trying to say is:
a) comparing RedHat to Mandrake is almost painful
b) RedHat has far greater business prospects than Mandrake and far greater infrastructure.
I just don't see the value in Mandrake at all (from a business standpoint, I think their distributation is great).
But you seem to be assuming AOL is going to take RedHat and sodomize it out back. That simply isn't likely. While Mandrake is great in the eyes of many people it isn't a real distrib. I'm sure these days they do all their packaging but lets not forget where they started - a hacked RedHat install. AOL could buy RedHat and continue to invade markets besides their own users desktops. RedHat is a viable business here in the US. Mandrake is not. RedHat has infrastructure in place. Mandrake does not.
Personally I would see a lot more value in RedHat than Mandrake... With RedHat AOL would have a company that they owned and could control the direction of but it could still be independent of AOL/TW. Mandrake simply isn't a viable option.
You know how the monetary unit reduces in value over time? While the inverse happens with the human unit. They just happened to plan it at just the right moment to make 1 million old people = 5,000 modern people! Pretty slick, eh?
Look at the Lisp newsgroups for more information..
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When the last big Lisp story came up on/. I spent a fair amount of time following the Lisp newsgroups. The airline system came up a couple times and a few very interesting posts were made. I haven't found anything yet with groups.google.com but I remember reading quite a bit more than what was in the email linked to in the main story....
OIC. From your original post I came to the conclustion that the reason the revision was overlooked was that it was seperated from the version number. A dash makes sense.
Er... Now we rewind two iterations and continue on, hehe...
Yeah, I can see that. I wonder if the versioning system Microsoft uses is bad. They tend to seperate out different increments/things with a "." so you'll have 444.232.131.23, etc... It too is kind of hard to read at first but personally I'd prefer it over something like 444 rev 23 (444.23 is more readable to me).
No offense but why is this cool? If Sun would just bump the patch version your whole experience with versions of versions could would probably have been avoided.
That was a great troll. You handled it just right with an authentic tone and just a few spelling and grammar mistakes. Just enough to get the people now focused on grammar and spelling to reply. The authentic tone resulted in the famous "moderators on crack" result. Great job. Have one on me...
From everything I've read about Marine tanks it's the opposite way around - Marine tanks often need expensive coolers while Tropical fish tanks need heaters. Maybe it's because I'm looking at coral reef tanks (think mega lamps for the coral) and not fish only marine but I don't know any tropical fish owners who have $1,200 coolers... We've had Discus fish (like blue gills but from the Amazon) and they have quite a high temperature requirement (72? 75?).
As for the project - I'm not sure about it but one thing I'd definately do is have high flow rate and large diameter tubes. Fish crap is going to build up in that thing - especially if it is a slow flow. If the processor is a high temp AMD you might be cooking fish crap. Not good in terms of cooling and bacteria counts...
Are you *sure* these satellite providers don't curtail your bandwidth? Everything I've read has pointed out that heavy users get whacked and capped. And the "heavy usage" didn't sound all that heavy to me...
What do you do when one of you starts lagging/dropping other people of the net while (s)he grabs an ISO or something? I know rate limiting is possible with FreeBSD (and linux too?)... For only a couple users that would probably work. I'm trying to figure out if that is the right approach here. Lagging out the counter-strike players gets old (actually what gets old is waiting until they aren't playing to apt-get and cvsup).
Anyone have a good idea why one is $1000 more than the other?
That is pretty easy to answer! TigerDirect is a company that seems to specialize in getting surplus neato electronics and selling them out at slightly higher than surplus cost (ie, selling them at great prices!). Witness the 3com Audrey for $99 and numerous other deals they have had. Note that TigerDirect does have some regular stuff at regular prices (in fact the majority of their catalog is composed of such items) so not everything is a steal or even a deal. Also they sometimes get stuff that is blown out at low cost while the same stuff is still in regular retail channels at the regular price. Just an observation...
What company is going to announce that they are hereforth moving to a beta browser platform for all their needs?
None.
Wow.
Oh My God.
Lets just get real today, ok? Wait until 1.0 or even > 1.0 is out the door and doing well before you expect the clouds to break and jubilent drops of honey dew mozilla goodness to fall onto humanity.
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$12.49 for The Matrix? I think I paid $5 shipped! If you have time to waste (hell, you're posting here, you do) visit dvdtalk.com's DVD Bargains forum. All the hot stuff is gone like you say but I'm sure you'll find some sweet deals... The key is to check it every couple days or read back in the forum to see what kind of deals have come up in the last couple weeks/months.
If you started your auction at $1 you'd sell it right away. If you watch eBay for a while you'll realize that the high bid items that people bid emotionally on are often started at a low price in order to draw the maximum number of bidders possible so you have a large number of people invested in winning. So if you want to sell it and get it over with start at $1. The market will decide the price. You might get $50, you might get $400, but if you start it at $200 you'll never find out.
...but I wish the U.S. did the same thing with its flag, if only to reduce the flow of cheesy patriotic" items that have appeared since September 11. Profiting from tragedy is always ugly.
Personally as a U.S. citizen I would much rather live with cheesy flag displays than have our government put yet another idiotic law on the books. Sure you are making light of the situation but do you really want another law too? There are way too many at this point in time. Way make more for worthless causes.
IMHO, because if you need high end system in the first place, you will be really better served by buying system from Sun, IBM or HP. Their offerings of enterprise-class systems are much more mature and stable than any of the i386-base alternatives on the market today.
:)
:). I'm sure you have valid points but neither of your responses highlight any reason that SMP on x86 is worthless and shouldn't be pursued.
One could say the same thing about a non-SMP i386-based server versus one of the high end providers. The whole point is that x86 SMP servers raise the bar without raising the prices to those high end provider levels. There might be some drawbacks to x86 SMP but we've all seen people using them for years with various versions of Windows. Obviously other people out there in the *nix world see some value in x86 SMP and are working to make it just another platform choice.
SMPng project is not only about improving SMP performance of FreeBSD. It is also about making kernel fully preemtable, which has its advantages for real-time tasks, responsiveness in desktop and multgimedia environments. Besides, with an upcoming PPC and UltraSPARC ports having better SMP support kinda starts making more sense
Well yes but it is also to just plain get SMP going well. That is why I don't buy your arguement
Well Sorcerer couldn't just use the FreeBSD ports because they have the specific patchs for FreeBSD. I assume you know that but just pointing out one downside. One you have to change all the patches to your system there isn't much left. Maybe it just depends how you look at it. Anyway, apparently Sorcerer decided to go from scratch and I don't really find that too surprising.
The interesting thing out there is OpenPorts. I don't really know what they plan on doing besides guessing from the name but it sounds good to me. Hrm... I'm not finding a page for the project.
Intel system this is pretty worthless anyway.
:).
Uh... Hrm... Mind trying to justify such a position? If it is worthless why is there such an effort in the FreeBSD community to make SMP priority for 5.0? Argue the point if you must but at least make sense
I'm with you. Personally I would use a well done distrib that had the linux kernel + a base system and ports. I would also still use FreeBSD. Why do people have such a hard time seeing the benefit here? The linux kernel + base system + ports would be awesome for my laptop, desktop, etc. FreeBSD would be humming away on my servers. Of course if I started to really like the linux system better my servers might go that way too eventually but I don't see how either side would be affected negatively by a well done linux distrib that had these features.
:).
Of course I'm not going to spend the time to make it. Talk is cheap
Ports is a collection of applications that can easily be compiled for your operating system. Basically for FreeBSD you have /usr/ports. That directory contains various subdirectories dividing applications into www (apache, mod_php4, etc), lang (ruby, etc), mail (mutt, exim, etc), and so forth. Each directory for a specific application contains a number of files. Some of these are patch files that are applied to the source code of the port. See the ports tree doesn't contain the actual code of the application - it only contains enough logic to get the regular .tar.gz release (usually from the developers home site) and the patches to build it properly (particular distribution preferences on file structure, libraries, etc).
:).
Every couple days I use cvsup to suck down the modifications to the ports tree to my FreeBSD box. Then I happen to use a relatively new tool not in the base system (portupgrade, written in ruby) to check if my currently installed packages are up to date. If they aren't, I can instruct portupgrade to upgrade them or go to each directory individually and do a "make install". Oh yeah, each directory has a Makefile
It's sort of like why distribute the source code if it is just going to get out of date (plus you'll be getting the source for all kinds of crap you never end up using). Of course now each application must be compiled but if you don't want to do that you can use the packages (precompiled binaries that can be added with pkg_add, etc).
Another benefit is ports can be on any version of the operating system because it is independent of the base system. Look at RedHat and you'll see compiled packages for RedHat 6.2, 7.2, etc (of course, before someone knee jerks a reply, RPMS are out there but I'm trying to make a point here). Ports avoids this. The price is compilation. A trade off. You make the call.
Hope that helps. Here is the FreeBSD handbook section for ports: ports-using.html (it contains a better description of what files are in a ports directory).
So will the TV out work on my Dell Inspirion 4000 (ATI Mobile chipset)?
The knowledge that you are an idiot, is what distinguishes you from one.
:)...
Great sig. I'm feeling better already
I just want to tell people that "Mandrake is great in the eyes of many people it isn't a real distrib. I'm sure these days they do all their packaging but lets not forget where they started - a hacked RedHat install." is rather untrue. Mandrake is now totally Red Hat-independant, has its own install (written from scratch in perl-gtk), and has not the same packages. Please don't provide false informations.
:).
Uh... Did you read what I wrote and what you quoted? I said they *started* with RedHat packages (should have said packages instead of install in the original post but it is pretty clear) and then got on to their own two feet. There isn't anything wrong with that as I believe Mandrake got going purely with an emphasis on making linux/redhat a better desktop OS.
I didn't say that Mandrake still relies on RedHat. Please don't provide false somethings yourself
BTW, in my original post, I did not say that Mandrake over Red Hat was a slam dunk, I simply said that it was worthy of due consideration. 1.4 billion dollars can buy a lot of upgrades to MandrakeSoft. I'm sure that if AOL is seriously contemplating Red Hat, they would also be considering the alternatives.
:).
Good point. I just don't think Mandrake is a realistic alternative. If you look at it from the point that AOL wants the best buy for a distribution that they can release for their own users you might be right. But I would think AOL/TW would be interested in a company like RedHat because it has other interests in the market besides being a consumer OS. RedHat would continue to be a viable business while working with AOL/TW on whatever they want too. In the same situation I would think Mandrake would be taken out back and sodomized
I guess what I'm trying to say is:
a) comparing RedHat to Mandrake is almost painful
b) RedHat has far greater business prospects than Mandrake and far greater infrastructure.
I just don't see the value in Mandrake at all (from a business standpoint, I think their distributation is great).
Personally I would see a lot more value in RedHat than Mandrake... With RedHat AOL would have a company that they owned and could control the direction of but it could still be independent of AOL/TW. Mandrake simply isn't a viable option.
My
You know how the monetary unit reduces in value over time? While the inverse happens with the human unit. They just happened to plan it at just the right moment to make 1 million old people = 5,000 modern people! Pretty slick, eh?
Go forth ye google hunters! I'm going to bed.
Er... Now we rewind two iterations and continue on, hehe...
Yeah, I can see that. I wonder if the versioning system Microsoft uses is bad. They tend to seperate out different increments/things with a "." so you'll have 444.232.131.23, etc... It too is kind of hard to read at first but personally I'd prefer it over something like 444 rev 23 (444.23 is more readable to me).
No offense but why is this cool? If Sun would just bump the patch version your whole experience with versions of versions could would probably have been avoided.
That was a great troll. You handled it just right with an authentic tone and just a few spelling and grammar mistakes. Just enough to get the people now focused on grammar and spelling to reply. The authentic tone resulted in the famous "moderators on crack" result. Great job. Have one on me...
Yeah, let's throw a linux kernel in a BSDish system. That's amazing progress!
Sounds damn good to me. I hope they'll set it up so you can cvsup and rebuild a core system.
From everything I've read about Marine tanks it's the opposite way around - Marine tanks often need expensive coolers while Tropical fish tanks need heaters. Maybe it's because I'm looking at coral reef tanks (think mega lamps for the coral) and not fish only marine but I don't know any tropical fish owners who have $1,200 coolers... We've had Discus fish (like blue gills but from the Amazon) and they have quite a high temperature requirement (72? 75?).
As for the project - I'm not sure about it but one thing I'd definately do is have high flow rate and large diameter tubes. Fish crap is going to build up in that thing - especially if it is a slow flow. If the processor is a high temp AMD you might be cooking fish crap. Not good in terms of cooling and bacteria counts...
Are you *sure* these satellite providers don't curtail your bandwidth? Everything I've read has pointed out that heavy users get whacked and capped. And the "heavy usage" didn't sound all that heavy to me...
What do you do when one of you starts lagging/dropping other people of the net while (s)he grabs an ISO or something? I know rate limiting is possible with FreeBSD (and linux too?)... For only a couple users that would probably work. I'm trying to figure out if that is the right approach here. Lagging out the counter-strike players gets old (actually what gets old is waiting until they aren't playing to apt-get and cvsup).
Anyone have a good idea why one is $1000 more than the other?
That is pretty easy to answer! TigerDirect is a company that seems to specialize in getting surplus neato electronics and selling them out at slightly higher than surplus cost (ie, selling them at great prices!). Witness the 3com Audrey for $99 and numerous other deals they have had. Note that TigerDirect does have some regular stuff at regular prices (in fact the majority of their catalog is composed of such items) so not everything is a steal or even a deal. Also they sometimes get stuff that is blown out at low cost while the same stuff is still in regular retail channels at the regular price. Just an observation...
What company is going to announce that they are hereforth moving to a beta browser platform for all their needs?
None.
Wow.
Oh My God.
Lets just get real today, ok? Wait until 1.0 or even > 1.0 is out the door and doing well before you expect the clouds to break and jubilent drops of honey dew mozilla goodness to fall onto humanity.