"I don't know if what happened in the article email _might_ constitute the same thing, not do I know if the same would be true (i.e. whether it would constitute such a breach) if the system has a "If you use this system, you consent to monitoring" banner that pops up at login."
Comprehension fails. The above AC was pointing out that it's not a security problem with Google Apps, and he's entirely correct. It was a problem with migrating data into Google Apps. There's a distinct, important difference, and you appear to be missing it.
22 / 2000 email accounts isn't a big deal, sorry. And most of those people probably don't check their school email every day (I don't, and most of my friends don't), and most of the people who did happen to check their email didn't even notice that their old emails weren't theirs. This really was a small hiccup.
"Google Apps' security fails utterly"
It wasn't a security issue. It was a data migration error, and there's a huge difference there. One is an application problem, the other is user error.
These laptops have all different hardware. The screens on the quad core and the i7 are bigger than the one for the Core 2 Duo, and they're using different video cards. Seems like a worthless comparison to me.
"Most users get so frustrated and just leave everything open."
Most users have no clue about 90% of what you said.
"I tried to recently secure a Windows XP box after coming from a background of unix(including OS X) and Linux, and I just could not believe how insanely obfuscated Microsoft made everything."
"We could have had close to 10 years of use out of this really good Be OS in schools"
If it was "really good" people would be using it. But like all OSS operating systems that I've seen, they require a good deal of computer knowledge to maintain and use, and the support is shabby. I used Ubuntu for three years after Vista came out because of stability issues. An after those three years, I'm back to Windows because frankly, it just works (99% of the time) and is fairly intuitive. No arbitrary and poorly documented config files to fuck with, fairly standard ui (not as good as Apple, but good enough), programs with the features and functionality that I need, the hardware support is there, etc. You can make excuses about how hardware and software support aren't OS issues, but excuses don't get my work done or make my programs run.
I like my Linux based web/ssh server, but it simply sucks for use as a desktop that does anything more that surf the web.
Never upgrade any OS (except a Mac...they seem to fair well with upgrades). There are so many posts on Ubuntu forums that start out with "I upgraded to [release number] and now I can't [insert problem]!"
First, the problem that they're attempting to address with this patent: when you create a document or receive an email, it's up to you to categorize that document or email by whatever context (category/job fuction/etc) is appropriate...like sales or engineering. Usually this is done by creating categorized folders to stick the files or emails or whatever into.
Their solution: When you're working on something on your computer (using their technology), you're doing so within a certain context. For example you might be working on Sales, Marketing, or Software Developement, etc. So if your current working context is Marketing, everything you create while in that context is automatically associated with Marketing. If you send someone an email, it's automatically tagged as related to Marketing, so there is no need for you or the recipient to stuff it into a Marketing folder for filing. When you switch contexts from Marketing to Sales, all the content you create is then tagged as Sales, so once again, there is no need for the user to organize their stuff.
It sounds like their idea also provides for things to be associated with multiple contexts, and workspaces can be created that cover multiple contexts, so things get tagged accordingly. Also, it allows for manual tagging.
I can't really think of how this applies to Facebook...and Leader Technologies doesn't appear to have an active product that does any of this. What do you guys think about my interpretation?
people go to Apple's site to see how shiny the new iPod is or to blow $2k on a laptop or something equally worthless. People go to Microsoft's site because they need information about a specific product or are looking for support/documentation.
I'm sick of the argument that less features are better because the computationally impaired people get confused by too many options. If they get confounded by a few well placed buttons (we're not talking about dozens of check boxes and buttons randomly all over the place), fuck them. Let them go use paper and a pen. I like my options, and they don't confuse me or anyone else who can spare a few neurons to learn a ui.
Then it's also not a bad assumption that on a properly run network, machines will be up-to-date and anyone caught sending malformed SMB2 headers to crash someone's computer will be fired/removed from the network.
If you have hours to fucking throw away getting Ubuntu to work on a NEW laptop, and more hours trying to find software to replace functionality that you need in a commercial program, then go ahead and use free software.
I used Ubuntu for three years after Vista came out, and I realized that quality, easy to use software just isn't there. Try making a flow chart with Dia and then try with Vizio and see which one works better. The same can be said for most OSS apps. The only ones that don't suck nuts and are decent are OOo and the GIMP.
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"I don't know if what happened in the article email _might_ constitute the same thing, not do I know if the same would be true (i.e. whether it would constitute such a breach) if the system has a "If you use this system, you consent to monitoring" banner that pops up at login."
Thanks for letting us know that you don't know.
Comprehension fails. The above AC was pointing out that it's not a security problem with Google Apps, and he's entirely correct. It was a problem with migrating data into Google Apps. There's a distinct, important difference, and you appear to be missing it.
22 / 2000 email accounts isn't a big deal, sorry. And most of those people probably don't check their school email every day (I don't, and most of my friends don't), and most of the people who did happen to check their email didn't even notice that their old emails weren't theirs. This really was a small hiccup.
"Google Apps' security fails utterly"
It wasn't a security issue. It was a data migration error, and there's a huge difference there. One is an application problem, the other is user error.
"That is why it is often banned from being used to sign your name on documents. "
Wut?
These laptops have all different hardware. The screens on the quad core and the i7 are bigger than the one for the Core 2 Duo, and they're using different video cards. Seems like a worthless comparison to me.
wants this.
"Most users get so frustrated and just leave everything open."
Most users have no clue about 90% of what you said.
"I tried to recently secure a Windows XP box after coming from a background of unix(including OS X) and Linux, and I just could not believe how insanely obfuscated Microsoft made everything."
What were you trying to do?
Damn them for listening to their customers! LOL, they get so much shit no matter what they do.
That article doesn't say what you think it does.
"At worst, that next spyware/trojan could do remote code execution on the whole network running XP and turn everything into a zombie bot-net."
If you'd have read the bulletin, you'd have seen that remote code execution was not one of the possibilities for the bug in XP or Win 2k.
I'm assuming that your network is behind a NAT and a corporate firewall anyway.
"BeOS was never an open source OS."
Yeah, I realized that about 5 seconds after posting. Oh well.
"We could have had close to 10 years of use out of this really good Be OS in schools"
If it was "really good" people would be using it. But like all OSS operating systems that I've seen, they require a good deal of computer knowledge to maintain and use, and the support is shabby. I used Ubuntu for three years after Vista came out because of stability issues. An after those three years, I'm back to Windows because frankly, it just works (99% of the time) and is fairly intuitive. No arbitrary and poorly documented config files to fuck with, fairly standard ui (not as good as Apple, but good enough), programs with the features and functionality that I need, the hardware support is there, etc. You can make excuses about how hardware and software support aren't OS issues, but excuses don't get my work done or make my programs run.
I like my Linux based web/ssh server, but it simply sucks for use as a desktop that does anything more that surf the web.
I don't understand what you're trying to get at here... Microsoft's site doesn't appear to be "fucked up" to me.
Never upgrade any OS (except a Mac...they seem to fair well with upgrades). There are so many posts on Ubuntu forums that start out with "I upgraded to [release number] and now I can't [insert problem]!"
"Other people's products" are not Apple's products.
First, the problem that they're attempting to address with this patent: when you create a document or receive an email, it's up to you to categorize that document or email by whatever context (category/job fuction/etc) is appropriate...like sales or engineering. Usually this is done by creating categorized folders to stick the files or emails or whatever into.
Their solution: When you're working on something on your computer (using their technology), you're doing so within a certain context. For example you might be working on Sales, Marketing, or Software Developement, etc. So if your current working context is Marketing, everything you create while in that context is automatically associated with Marketing. If you send someone an email, it's automatically tagged as related to Marketing, so there is no need for you or the recipient to stuff it into a Marketing folder for filing. When you switch contexts from Marketing to Sales, all the content you create is then tagged as Sales, so once again, there is no need for the user to organize their stuff.
It sounds like their idea also provides for things to be associated with multiple contexts, and workspaces can be created that cover multiple contexts, so things get tagged accordingly. Also, it allows for manual tagging.
I can't really think of how this applies to Facebook...and Leader Technologies doesn't appear to have an active product that does any of this. What do you guys think about my interpretation?
"Apple's site does have fewer things, but it's not because Apple has fewer products."
Bullshit. Apple has far few products that Microsoft. Especially if you discount old, discontinued stuff.
Microsoft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_software_applications
Apple: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.#Current_products
(The formatting is a bit different, but you can tell that MS has a lot more products.)
people go to Apple's site to see how shiny the new iPod is or to blow $2k on a laptop or something equally worthless. People go to Microsoft's site because they need information about a specific product or are looking for support/documentation.
I'm sick of the argument that less features are better because the computationally impaired people get confused by too many options. If they get confounded by a few well placed buttons (we're not talking about dozens of check boxes and buttons randomly all over the place), fuck them. Let them go use paper and a pen. I like my options, and they don't confuse me or anyone else who can spare a few neurons to learn a ui.
Not everyone uses a laptop.
Then it's also not a bad assumption that on a properly run network, machines will be up-to-date and anyone caught sending malformed SMB2 headers to crash someone's computer will be fired/removed from the network.
If you have hours to fucking throw away getting Ubuntu to work on a NEW laptop, and more hours trying to find software to replace functionality that you need in a commercial program, then go ahead and use free software.
I used Ubuntu for three years after Vista came out, and I realized that quality, easy to use software just isn't there. Try making a flow chart with Dia and then try with Vizio and see which one works better. The same can be said for most OSS apps. The only ones that don't suck nuts and are decent are OOo and the GIMP.
LOL, how did I forget that one? I suppose being barricaded in my little LAN helped.
"Infect one PC inside the network and let the new virus BSOD everything inside the LAN."
Yeah, assuming that a majority of people on the network have disabled Windows Update.