speaking of old cards, i volunteer at a church refurbishing old comps for poor kids. almost all the computers that we get donated are pre 2000. after seeing so many really old graphics cards in those machines, i had to make a comparison list of witch ones were the dogs, and witch ones were ok for a free system (mind you, these machines are Pentium II and III era).
from fastest to worst (and yes, i've seen many rage II systems)
the Radeon 9000 and up can work much faster if the CPU is faster than 1GHz:
=GEFORCE 5600 (PCI) =RADEON 9100 PRO 128MB GEFORCE 5200 (128-BIT) Radeon 8500 geforce3 Ti500 geforce3 Ti200 Matrox Parhelia GeForce3 Radeon 9000 (Hercules PCI) GeForce4 MX 420/440 Radeon 7500 geforce2 GTS RADEON 64MB DDR Kyro II geforce 256 DDR Geforce2 MX 400 Radeon 7000 S60 no T&L!!! intel 845G (integrated) ProSavage DDR (integrated) RAGE fury MAXX GEFORCE 256 SDR SAVAGE 2000 32MB (Viper II) VOODOO3 MATROX G400 bump mapping! TNT2 ULTRA TNT2 VOODOO2 ati Rage Fury (Rage 128)(DX6) Banshee Nvidia Riva TNT 16MB S3 savage 4 ??? S3 Savage 3D G200 16MB i740 NVIDIA RIVA 128 ati RAGE pro ati RAGE II
dude, that was funny as shit. too bad you got hit with a troll mod. often times it is hard to draw the line between funny, insightfull or troll, as the line is often blurred. in my comment modifier settings, i used to have "funny" comments automatically taken down a point, thinking that it would increase the signal to noise ratio... well, i was missing many of the most insightfull comments, since there is usually a measure of truth and insight to humor.
and sometimes truth hurts, more so if they don't know how to interpret the tone of a post.
what card and CPU were you using at the time? if they were from a long time ago, well, the new cards might offer ten times the frame rates of your old card, if you have a fast CPU to feed them. or was it a fast system already?
i love genetic algorithms. adding a life span is a good idea. Primordial Life from jason spofford is an amazing screen saver that evolves interacting populations that compete with each other over resources, and some become good at fighting or defense, while some adopt behaviors of plants, etc. but you can let them NOT die from age, and then that means the others have to kill it.
Cloak, Dagger, and DNA, (CDDNA) is a turn based strategy game that was built around genetic algorithms (a human could play against them if he wanted), and there was no option to set life spans, so the AI players could only die from conquering each other on the board (or manually deleted). i would frequently see some AIs that would stay in the population for many many generations, and the population wasn't large enough to allow another group/race/species evolve seperately that could beat the immortal ones.
IF survival depended on mod points, then all slashdotters would evolve to be able to post within two minutes of the story submission appearing, seeing as how almost all of the highest rated comments are posted within a very narrow window of time.
of course, this would never be workable, and would run against personal freedoms, but we could increase lifespans just by increasing the minimum age to procreate. see, once an organism has reproduced and passed on it's genes, it no longer has a genetic "need" to stay alive. after awhile of gradually forcing people to wait before reproducing, we would automatically see health being "bred" into older ages.
And how exactly are you timing it? Do you sit there and say "1-one thousand, 2-one thousand,..." ?
no way would i count them in my head. i use a sundial, it's so much more convenient! except when the damn clouds kick in.
well, it also shows how much work per clock a chip can do. if you compare two different chip designs that are running at the same frequency, then you can cancel out the frequency units and measure how well each chip is at crunching integers....
sorry for the formatting, here it is easier to understand:
a very simple perfomance check i love to run on every computer i come across:
put windows calculator in scientific mode (yes, mathmatica or maple will do factorials in a fraction of the time, but try to post windows scores for comparison purposes....)
type in 100,000
hit the n! button
ignore the warnings that it will take a long time, don't even bother clicking on "Continue", because the calculation is still going.
and report how long it takes to complete a factorial of 100,000
if you want to do an easy way to compare amd and intel chips, here is a very simple perfomance check i love to run on every computer i come across:
put windows calculator in scientific mode (yes, mathmatica or maple will do factorials in a fraction of the time, but try to post windows scores for comparison purposes....)
type in 100,000
hit the n! button
ignore the warnings that it will take a long time, don't even bother clicking on "Continue", because the calculation is still going.
and report how long it takes to complete a factorial of 100,000
please report what CPU you have
**windows XP 64-bit edition is twice as fast as 32-windows**
celeron 800MHz (coppermine): 333 seconds (5min 33sec)
1.4GHz celeron (tualatin) does it in 205 seconds
P4 3.2Ghz and Athlon 3200+ both do it in about 80 seconds....
my next post will have a long list of scores.
from slowest to fastest, there is a difference of 66x...
honestly, i'd give just about anything to be able to pop super street fighter II into my gamecube so i could whoop some ass on my trash talking friends who all seem to think they were the shit at SSII. now it boils down to "hey, what happed to that old snes console you had?"
i can't take it anymmore! i think i'm going to try and find a working snes on ebay, right now.
pieces of Colubia rained down all over my town, in Athens, texas. the explosion woke me up, i thought it was an earthquake till i remembered i wasn't in san diego anymore. that day my aol beta testing account ended, so on another service i choose as my main screenname: RememberColumbia. (not my slashdot nik). it was the saddest day since 9/11.
take Equilibrium for example. the critics slaughtered it. i mean, it was universally trashed by the hollywood back-patters. yet it was one of the best freaking movies i've ever seen, and it has been givin high marks by everyone i know who has seen it. even if you don't like orwellian sci-fi, Equilibrium is a gem.
hmmm, an intel performing more work per clock cycle than an equivilant amd chip, while using only 3/4 the watts under load! what a reversal from the norm. AND the intel chip is faster in gaming!?
Dominos Pizza will be hiring rats as delivery drivers. after i made a delivery and arrived at the destination, i used the same techniques as the rats use! i would literally replay the course backwards in my head, reversing all the turns, etc (while smoking a bowl). after a few months in that "profession", i could go into any new city and keep my bearings easily. since i am amazed by the powers and skills of many animals and insects, i am honored to know i can compete with a rat!
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thanks for the info, mate. i'm sure many are not in the correct place. i'm glad to get input so i can adjust it.
speaking of old cards, i volunteer at a church refurbishing old comps for poor kids. almost all the computers that we get donated are pre 2000. after seeing so many really old graphics cards in those machines, i had to make a comparison list of witch ones were the dogs, and witch ones were ok for a free system (mind you, these machines are Pentium II and III era).
from fastest to worst (and yes, i've seen many rage II systems)
the Radeon 9000 and up
can work much faster if the
CPU is faster than 1GHz:
=GEFORCE 5600 (PCI)
=RADEON 9100 PRO 128MB
GEFORCE 5200 (128-BIT)
Radeon 8500
geforce3 Ti500
geforce3 Ti200
Matrox Parhelia
GeForce3
Radeon 9000 (Hercules PCI)
GeForce4 MX 420/440
Radeon 7500
geforce2 GTS
RADEON 64MB DDR
Kyro II
geforce 256 DDR
Geforce2 MX 400
Radeon 7000 S60 no T&L!!!
intel 845G (integrated)
ProSavage DDR (integrated)
RAGE fury MAXX
GEFORCE 256 SDR
SAVAGE 2000 32MB (Viper II)
VOODOO3
MATROX G400 bump mapping!
TNT2 ULTRA
TNT2
VOODOO2
ati Rage Fury (Rage 128)(DX6)
Banshee
Nvidia Riva TNT 16MB
S3 savage 4 ???
S3 Savage 3D
G200 16MB
i740
NVIDIA RIVA 128
ati RAGE pro
ati RAGE II
dude, that was funny as shit. too bad you got hit with a troll mod. often times it is hard to draw the line between funny, insightfull or troll, as the line is often blurred. in my comment modifier settings, i used to have "funny" comments automatically taken down a point, thinking that it would increase the signal to noise ratio... well, i was missing many of the most insightfull comments, since there is usually a measure of truth and insight to humor.
and sometimes truth hurts, more so if they don't know how to interpret the tone of a post.
what card and CPU were you using at the time? if they were from a long time ago, well, the new cards might offer ten times the frame rates of your old card, if you have a fast CPU to feed them. or was it a fast system already?
i love genetic algorithms. adding a life span is a good idea. Primordial Life from jason spofford is an amazing screen saver that evolves interacting populations that compete with each other over resources, and some become good at fighting or defense, while some adopt behaviors of plants, etc. but you can let them NOT die from age, and then that means the others have to kill it.
Cloak, Dagger, and DNA, (CDDNA) is a turn based strategy game that was built around genetic algorithms (a human could play against them if he wanted), and there was no option to set life spans, so the AI players could only die from conquering each other on the board (or manually deleted). i would frequently see some AIs that would stay in the population for many many generations, and the population wasn't large enough to allow another group/race/species evolve seperately that could beat the immortal ones.
i'm retarded. i just watched fight club again like two weeks ago, and i remember laughing when he said that changed quote.
IF survival depended on mod points, then all slashdotters would evolve to be able to post within two minutes of the story submission appearing, seeing as how almost all of the highest rated comments are posted within a very narrow window of time.
With soap (the yardstick of civilisation)
i thought the mark of a trully civilised people was flushing toilets....
of course, this would never be workable, and would run against personal freedoms, but we could increase lifespans just by increasing the minimum age to procreate. see, once an organism has reproduced and passed on it's genes, it no longer has a genetic "need" to stay alive. after awhile of gradually forcing people to wait before reproducing, we would automatically see health being "bred" into older ages.
actually, his times sound about right, because i recorded somthing similar on another 3.0Ghz dual-core machine
Pentium 930 dualcore (3.0GHz)
82 seconds (XP media center)
who knows if this is the correct answer, but, on my celeron 800MHz, with Windows 98SE, calc returned: 2.824229407960347874293421578e+456573
And how exactly are you timing it? Do you sit there and say "1-one thousand, 2-one thousand, ..." ?
no way would i count them in my head. i use a sundial, it's so much more convenient! except when the damn clouds kick in.
well, it also shows how much work per clock a chip can do. if you compare two different chip designs that are running at the same frequency, then you can cancel out the frequency units and measure how well each chip is at crunching integers....
P4 3.2GHz or a barton core 3200+ = 81 seconds
first gen pentium 75MHz = 5330 seconds
that is 66 times faster, and six doublings of performance!!!
sorry for the formatting, here it is easier to understand:
a very simple perfomance check i love to run on every computer i come across:
put windows calculator in scientific mode (yes, mathmatica or maple will do factorials in a fraction of the time, but try to post windows scores for comparison purposes....)
type in 100,000
hit the n! button
ignore the warnings that it will take a long time, don't even bother clicking on "Continue", because the calculation is still going.
and report how long it takes to complete a factorial of 100,000
please report what CPU you have
**64 bit XP is twice as fast
celeron 800MHz (coppermine): 333 seconds (5min 33sec)
1.4GHz celeron (tualatin) does it in 205 seconds
P4 3.2Ghz and Athlon 3200+ both do it in about 80 seconds....
sorry for the bad formatting, but the lamness filter is killing the proper layout.
factorial times for "100,000!"
look at the two athlons running at 2.0GHZ (3200+ and 2400+) and notice how it is frequency dependant
P4 3.2GHz 81 seconds
athlon XP 3200+ (2.2GHz socket A, barton)81 seconds
Pentium 930 dualcore (3.0GHz) 82 seconds
P4 3.0GHz (laptop) 90 seconds
Pentium 920 dualcore (2.8GHz) 90 seconds
athlon 64 3200+ (2.0GHz socket 939, venice) 91 seconds
athlon XP 2400+ (2.0GHz) 93 seconds
athlon XP 2100+ 106 seconds
athlon XP 2000+ (1.67GHz) 121 seconds
athlon mobile XP 1800+ (1.52GHz) 122 seconds
celeron 2.7 GHz (northwood core) 130 seconds
celeron 1.4GHz (tualatin) 205 seconds
athlon 900 (thunderbird) 228 seconds
(used msconfig to disable everything)
celeron 1.1GHz 253 seconds
celeron 800MHz (win98) 333 seconds (5min 33sec)
celeron 800MHz (XP pro) 373 seconds
PIII 800 (XP pro) 378 seconds (used msconfig to kill all crap running)
474 seconds (lots of junk running)
PIII 450MHz (underclocked coppermine) 490 seconds
PII 333MHz 686 seconds
PII 300MHz 760 SECONDS
P 166MHz 2417 seconds
P 100MHz ~4000 seconds (66 minutes)
P 75MHz 5330 seconds (1:28:50)
if you want to do an easy way to compare amd and intel chips, here is a very simple perfomance check i love to run on every computer i come across: put windows calculator in scientific mode (yes, mathmatica or maple will do factorials in a fraction of the time, but try to post windows scores for comparison purposes....) type in 100,000 hit the n! button ignore the warnings that it will take a long time, don't even bother clicking on "Continue", because the calculation is still going. and report how long it takes to complete a factorial of 100,000 please report what CPU you have **windows XP 64-bit edition is twice as fast as 32-windows** celeron 800MHz (coppermine): 333 seconds (5min 33sec) 1.4GHz celeron (tualatin) does it in 205 seconds P4 3.2Ghz and Athlon 3200+ both do it in about 80 seconds.... my next post will have a long list of scores. from slowest to fastest, there is a difference of 66x...
i can't take it anymmore! i think i'm going to try and find a working snes on ebay, right now.
pieces of Colubia rained down all over my town, in Athens, texas. the explosion woke me up, i thought it was an earthquake till i remembered i wasn't in san diego anymore. that day my aol beta testing account ended, so on another service i choose as my main screenname: RememberColumbia. (not my slashdot nik). it was the saddest day since 9/11.
well, i would have modded you "funny", but i have ran out of "funny" mod points.
lol.
take Equilibrium for example. the critics slaughtered it. i mean, it was universally trashed by the hollywood back-patters. yet it was one of the best freaking movies i've ever seen, and it has been givin high marks by everyone i know who has seen it. even if you don't like orwellian sci-fi, Equilibrium is a gem.
i was using decimal ascii, and 33 is "!" not really calling anybody any names, i'ts just what i like to eat.
hmmm, an intel performing more work per clock cycle than an equivilant amd chip, while using only 3/4 the watts under load! what a reversal from the norm. AND the intel chip is faster in gaming!?
Dominos Pizza will be hiring rats as delivery drivers. after i made a delivery and arrived at the destination, i used the same techniques as the rats use! i would literally replay the course backwards in my head, reversing all the turns, etc (while smoking a bowl). after a few months in that "profession", i could go into any new city and keep my bearings easily. since i am amazed by the powers and skills of many animals and insects, i am honored to know i can compete with a rat!