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Playstation 3 Delay Official

Aleman writes "In this interview with Variety magazine, Sony CEO Howard Stringer confirms that the Playstation 3 will be released during the holiday 2006 season." Not very surprising given the available information.

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  1. Maybe I missed something.... by RingDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But wasn't Q4 '06 the original expectation for the US release?

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    1. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by Yusaku+Godai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's kinda what I thought too. Either way it's not like it's a huge delay. Heck, I'd kinda rather they'd wait even longer for

      a) The price of some of the hardware to come down
      b) To watch Microsoft fumble around more
      and
      c) To rethink this whole format war business

      I have a bad feeling that the last one especially won't happen :( If they're gonna stick a Blu-Ray drive in this thing I sure as hell hope it ends up being the dominant next gen video format, or Sony is fucked, I think.

    2. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by dohzer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      b) To watch Microsoft fumble around more
      I could have sworn they were the only ones (out of Sony and them) to have released their new console... Is that what you meant by "fumble"?
    3. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      This delay only concerns the Japanese market, the only release date announced so far.

      Sony never gave a release date for the US or Europe.

    4. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      They delivered (pun not intended) a pretty bad performance for a console launch. Sure, a nearly-simultaneous worldwide launch sounds nice on paper but they should have rethought that strategy when it became clear that there will be production issues that will prevent them from sending sufficient numbers to any market. Apparently some people still can't get the console even though they are willing to buy it. The backwards compatibility is sub-par (I don't think such a half-baked backwards compatibility has been found in any previous console), especially since Sony and Nintendo are promising almost total compatibility with two and four system respectively.

      Additionally one could call a launch without any killer apps a fumble since a killer app is probably the most effective way of launching a system.

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    5. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by zoney_ie · · Score: 1

      There should be vast mountains of Xbox360s shifting like hotcakes by now. It's not happening - whether because of shortages, or just not enough people to buy them (local stores here in Ireland finally have them in stock - but they don't seem to be moving).

      And so to some extent, Microsoft has to wait too for the next holiday season and a consumer spending spree - there's a reason for the focus on that period for new product releases.

      Managing to sell a few in time for last year's season doesn't cut the mustard, and the year long slog may indeed look embarrassing in retrospect. Microsoft can afford the cost, but if the Xbox360 starts looking like a failure because of the 12 months up to this year's holiday season, that could really affect things in a PS3 vs. Xbox360 battle.

      However, much depends on other factors, like what games are on the scene towards the end of the year, and whether enough consumers are interested at all in next-gen. Sony may actually be lucky if people want next-gen movies (blu-ray + HDTV) - but I doubt this. People don't seem too worked up about HDTV on its own yet nevermind (a) new disc format(s).

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    6. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes. Stringer was talking about the Japanese release here, though -- so this is a six month slip.

    7. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by Loiosh-de-Taltos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting that so many people are saying the 360 isn't selling well. The information that is published appears to indicate... "The system looks likely sell 6 million units by the end of June 2006, and from 10 to 12 million by the end of the year." This information came from "Research analyst P.J. McNealy, as reported by Next Generation." URL: http://games.kikizo.com/news/200603/002.asp

      Now, that's ignoring the Japanese market where the 360 has positively -bombed-: "The Xbox 360 managed to sell only 1,203 units from Feb. 20 - 26 in a report from Media Create." Source: http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=2101

    8. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, prior to the launch of the 360, the PS2 was the *only* console to offer any backward-compatibility at all (the various Nintendo handhelds have a pretty good record as well, but among the home console market, nothing).

      I'm not sure how backwards compatibility went from something that nobody even considered (play Super NES games on my N64? Why would I want to do that?) to an absolute make-or-break requirement for all new consoles so quickly.

    9. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by apoc06 · · Score: 2

      to be fair, geometry wars has thusfar been their unexpected "killer app". a game that could be done on the xbox1 or the ps2. hell, sans the resolution it could have been done on the psp.

      other than that, yeah... MS fumbled, and fumbled badly at that. their "killer apps" have come and gone with slight pause. perfect dark zero? DOA4? not bad games at all im sure, but definitely not as great as hyped. then again, halo aside... the original xbox didnt have dozens of killer apps either. ninja gaiden? splinter cell before it jumped ship?

      dont get me started on the backwards compatibility... their BC is so bad, they should have never even tried. they are experiencing a developer backlash from criterion over backwards compatibility, and im sure there are other studios that can relate to their sentiments. re-releasing a dumbed down halo 2.5 with HiRes textures, runs at 720p natively and contains all the new maps at a discount price [~10-19]. that would have served as a pretty decent killer app, but then again im not on the marketing board at MS. hell they could have bundled it with the console itself, and it would have flew off the shelves.

    10. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by bloodstains · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how backwards compatibility went from something that nobody even considered, to an absolute make-or-break requirement for all new consoles so quickly.
       
      Because Sony showed it was possible. Now that people know it can be done, they expect it.

    11. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      thats all in how you read the article.

      the analyst quoted an expected 6 million console sales by june, but the next sentence says that microsoft themselves only predict selling between 4.5 and 5 million by june. so apparently this analyst has much better knowledge of MS innerworkings than MS themselves. [!]

      given that MS has at their disposal numbers re: region distribution and hardware yields, i am more apt to go by the MS numbers. even those number have to be taken with a grain of salt; they will obviously be inflated in order to appease stockholders and feed us, their rabid army of fans.

      granted, they will sell a boatload of x360s this upcoming holiday, esp once the next wave of games are released, but you also have to take into account that by xmas they will have two other consoles to compete with. any analyst that expects the x360 to sell twice the numbers they have done thusfar this year is being very optimistic. once nintendo and sony start hyping their products, many buyers that have had to sit and wait on new shipments of the x360 will pocket the money they reserved, and actually comparison shop next gen systems.

    12. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by Masami+Eiri · · Score: 1

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Sega Genesis/Master Drive play Sega Master System games? Didn't the Saturn have a cartridge slot too? I never owned one, but I could have sworn there was one.

    13. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by tuffy · · Score: 1
      Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Sega Genesis/Master Drive play Sega Master System games? Didn't the Saturn have a cartridge slot too? I never owned one, but I could have sworn there was one.

      The Genesis/Megadrive could play Master System games with a small cartridge module (sold seperately) because the latter's CPU became the former's audio chip. The Saturn had a cartridge slot for save game memory, extra system RAM and so on, but it wasn't backwards compatible with anything.

      As for backwards compatibility itself, Atari had it back when the 7800 could play 2600 titles so it's hardly Sony's idea. But people have demanded it only recently as CD-sized, laser-read media became standard.

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    14. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's not clear at all. It seems likely to me that Stringer was talking about the US release when he spoke to Variety about it being in time for the holidays, as they are an American publication.

      There's nothing in the article to suggest that Stringer himself said anything about delays, and it looks to me as if Variety has gotten a bit confused about the whole US/Japan release date differences and assumed a six month delay because of them, especially as there had been all that recent inane coverage about PS3s costing 800 dollars or more.

    15. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by 80+85+83+83+89+33 · · Score: 1
      honestly, i'd give just about anything to be able to pop super street fighter II into my gamecube so i could whoop some ass on my trash talking friends who all seem to think they were the shit at SSII. now it boils down to "hey, what happed to that old snes console you had?"

      i can't take it anymmore! i think i'm going to try and find a working snes on ebay, right now.

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    16. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by ccp · · Score: 1

      c) To rethink this whole format war business

      I have a bad feeling that the last one especially won't happen :( If they're gonna stick a Blu-Ray drive in this thing I sure as hell hope it ends up being the dominant next gen video format, or Sony is fucked, I think.


      Don't you have it backwards?

      The PS3 is the nuclear weapon Sony intends to use to win the format war.
      Their whole strategy is based on the PS3 (each one with a BR) being a huge hit.
      If they deliver more or less on time, BR will be the de facto new gen video format. If they don't, and let HD DVD gain some traction, we'll have the chance to enjoy an attrition war that could last many years.

      Cheers,
      Carlos Cesar

    17. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by Yusaku+Godai · · Score: 1

      You have a point, and I certainly hope you're right.

      Either way, I hope it still at least plays DVDs. If not, that'd be pretty damn annoying.

    18. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by ccp · · Score: 1


      Perhaps we should think of this Battle of the Consoles as being the first skirmish of the much more far reaching Formats War.
      At least, we'd still be inside the bellic metaphor. ;>)

      Cheers,

    19. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      I think that's right. The PS3 is effectively a trojan to get Blu-ray players into the house. And, to be honest, the PS3 is about the only edge Blu-ray has: the HDDVD really has the advantage financially and even in some ways technologically -- unless the PS3 performs quite spectacularly well. If they have even a quarter of the supply problems the 360 has had, I predict Blu-ray is dead.

    20. Re:Maybe I missed something.... by ccp · · Score: 1

      The PS3 is effectively a trojan to get Blu-ray players into the house.

      Agreed...

      And, to be honest, the PS3 is about the only edge Blu-ray has: the HDDVD really has the advantage financially and even in some ways technologically

      and agreed...

      -- unless the PS3 performs quite spectacularly well. If they have even a quarter of the supply problems the 360 has had, I predict Blu-ray is dead.

      But... even if the PS3 is a dud, they're going to sell millions and millions of them.
      So, unless the console is a technological disaster, Blu-ray (the format) will have a very strong foothhold in the living rooms.
      Of course is entirely possible that the PS3 will be a disaster: deploying two new unproven technologies ( BR and Cell ) in the same product is very risky, to say the least.
      May be Sony is having problems, and are putting their best face while trying to glue together something that kind of works. Or, they have a killer product and are playing coy, in order to fuel expectation.
      Any way, we will know real soon now. Today?

      Cheers,

  2. Given all the time by MS's execution by Hangtime · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sony is fine with waiting given the poor execution of the 360. Ironically, if MS had given itself a few more months it may have put more pressure on Sony. However, given the numbers I am seeing on the components even another nine months may not be enough for the PS3 to come in at a reasonable amount for Sony . Sony will not price it above $400 USD retail. But losing $500 on each console sold cannot be an attractive proposition for Sony higher-ups.

    1. Re:Given all the time by MS's execution by DogDude · · Score: 0, Troll

      I couldn't agree more. The XBox 360 pales in comparison to the PS3, based on everything I've seen and read. I know that I (and, from the XBOx 360 sales number,s millions of others, as well), will wait patiently until the PS3 comes out.

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    2. Re:Given all the time by MS's execution by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've said it before, but be very careful about estimating the price of components sold in consumer systems. Volumes speak volumes. A component we may buy in small quantities (1000) can cost 1/2 to 1/4 if sold in high volumes with a volume commitment (usually 100k/year is where it starts). Designs of mine have been estimated at costs of "$400" by marketing, but the actual COGS was closer to $100-$150 after negotiations.

      People assume there is some discount on goods costs with volumes, I don't think many people realize how high it really is. I don't think they're losing money on XBox 360 hardware, nor do I think Sony will lose on the PS3. If money is lost it's warranty/returns.

    3. Re:Given all the time by MS's execution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure you make Sony's advertising department proud.

    4. Re:Given all the time by MS's execution by EggyToast · · Score: 1

      You make it sound like Sony won't encounter the same problems MS did, with delayed games, slow release schedules, and problems meeting demand. Yet, all of those things happened with the PS2 -- its first year was notoriously slow.

    5. Re:Given all the time by MS's execution by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      true, but sony also has a higher brand loyalty, and more importantly the japanese market. sony needs to actively compete with nintendo this fall. x360 sales will start to taper off worldwide once they are not longer the only next gen system on the market.

    6. Re:Given all the time by MS's execution by Darth+Bane · · Score: 1

      "Sony is fine with waiting given the poor execution of the 360" -- So, Sony with the PS2 did not screw up chip batches at launch ???? Sony has to wait until the specs for the Blu-ray and other parts BEFORE they can even start manufacture a PS3 ! "Ironically, if MS had given itself a few more months it may have put more pressure on Sony." -- M$ is putting presure on Sony. Sony has NO online service to even compete with Xbobx Live. So, Sony has to send out e-mails to ask ppl if they would like services like Xbox Live! LOL ! Plus, M$ can just market an add-on HDD DVD or Blu-ray DVD player if the consumer wants one. Check your facts. Besides both the 360 and the PS3 are going to be about the same anyhow in terms of grahics anyhow. Sony has great games but the "wow" factor on allot of them just seems not to be there. I own both a Xbox1 and a 360 as well as a PS2 and plan a buying a PS3 but I think all you fanboys with your facts need to get them straight....

  3. Variety?!? by acvh · · Score: 1

    what have we come to that Slashdot has to source breaking news from the Hollywood trade rag?

    1. Re:Variety?!? by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Hey, no need to run down Variety! Without their trenchant reporting, we would have never learned about those cost overruns on Waterworld.

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  4. We already knew this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The delay was confirmed by Sony on February 27.

    That being said, it's nice to have a firm launch window, instead of the perpetual "coming soon" or "sometime in 2006".

  5. Everyone's a comedian by Kangburra · · Score: 1


      If PS3 "delivers what everyone thinks it will,
    the game is up" Stringer boasts.

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  6. Death toll for Blu-ray by PrvtBurrito · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As far as I am concerned, this will have serious consequences on the adoption of Blu-ray, given that Toshiba's HD DVD drive is coming out in three weeks at less than $500. Sony wants to turn video (movie) technology into a war not unlike the video game console wars. Unfortunately, they are going to lose this one, because the 360 is already out, HD DVD is coming very soon, and Sony is already taking a huge risk/loss on the PS3.

    I can't say I feel sorry for them, being proprietary is inherently consumer unfriendly, so they have an uphill marketing battle ahead of them. (I realize that HD DVD is pretty proprietary, too, but it is first and less expensive and that will make a huge marketing difference)

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    1. Re:Death toll for Blu-ray by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      Amen! HD-DVD, once thought to be the clear loser in the HD format war, is actually coming out a day early and $500 short ($500 short of the $1000+ Blu-ray players, that is). Right now, blu-ray's best hope is the PS3. And the more it gets pushed back, the more tenuous blu-ray's position is going to be.

      Frnakly, I expect the PS3 to get pushed back even more. I doubt we'll see it in the U.S. until well into 2007.

      -Eric

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    2. Re:Death toll for Blu-ray by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Has the xbox360 had the right amount of "MUST HAVE" games? not according to the reviews I've seen so far. As for the whole HD DVD/Blu-Ray war, HD-DVD will be for videophiles, Blu-Ray for everyone who wants the latest Sony console.

      Holiday season means the PS3 wlil get all the christmas sales (anything over new year's would be a real disaster). Combined with the rather slow roll-out of HDTV titles (less than 100 on either side at launch) AFAICanTell, is it too slow? Not really.

      It all boils down to price. And the estimates I've seen thrown around just aren't consistent with production costs (with indirect costs) in comparable parts, and far less with marginal cost. MC is really the magic number for Sony as to "how cheap consoles can be push out there".

      IBM has for example reported that the MC of the Cell processor is about $50, not $200+. How much you've spent developing the processor is irrelevant - that's already a sunk cost. If you sell it for $50, you're not losing money. You're not recovering any of the earlier costs either, but people act as if they'd take a $150+ loss times the sales. In fact it's the other way around, you have some fixed R&D and the more units you sell, the less you lose per unit.

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    3. Re:Death toll for Blu-ray by Perseid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think so. The format war isn't going to actually start for quite a while. HD-DVD is going to be prohibitively expensive for the average consumer when it comes out and few people have HDTVs at the moment, making DVDs good enough for the average schmo right now.

      Since Sony is going to make the PS3 a loss leader, it might actually be cheaper than comparative HD-DVD players when it comes out. And while many people might wait to see which player comes out on top in the format wars before deciding on a player, you know millions of people are going to instantly start salivating as soon as the preorder slips go out for the PS3. Having a game console push your format is as big of an advantage as Sony says it is. Is it big enough? We'll see, of course, but I don't feel this hurts Sony much, if at all.

    4. Re:Death toll for Blu-ray by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you but I'd consider a game console infinitely more useful than a disc drive. Noone* will plunk down 500$ on a drive whereas 400$ for a game system is a lot more reasonable. Mostly because a game system will be useful the moment it's available as opposed to having to wait for special media to come out and needing a special kind of TV in order to even take advantage of the new format.

      *Someone will but that's too few to count.

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    5. Re:Death toll for Blu-ray by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      exactly. prototyping costs will be recouped from royalties and licensing fees. with the number of dev stations theyve sent out and the number of games already under development, i would say that they are on their way [or at least started] getting back in the black from r&d.

      hd-dvd may have a head start, but blu-ray has the studio support. what good does it do to have a sub $500 hddvd player when the movies you want to watch are being released by a studio that only supports blu-ray? last time i checked, sony had the backing of all the major studios with a handful supporting both formats.

      because sony has a deep vested interest in blu-ray; i can almost see them completely subsidizing the blu-ray player. they own the patent on blu-ray tech, so every game/ movie released will result in royalties paid to the blu-ray consortium and sony. they /will/ make the money back over the course of the ps3s lifetime, no matter what the release price will be.

    6. Re:Death toll for Blu-ray by bigman2003 · · Score: 1

      Genius signature...I just wish that more programmers understood that marketing really is a necessity.

      But more on topic-

      I'm a big Xbox fan, have a 360, etc. etc. I also USED to be a big HDTV fan. I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. Until I finally set my TV back to 480p, instead of the higher resolutions.

      Guess what- no big difference.

      I'm really not in that big of a hurry for any HD disc format. Once you get beyond crap quality analog cable, everything else is good enough.

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  7. Pre-Orders? by Hollinger · · Score: 1

    When can I pre-order one?

    Given the trouble I had getting an Xbox 360 (still don't have it) and a PS2 (I had to write a script to crawl amazon.com and make an alarm go off when it found "add to cart"), I'd like to just plain pre-order one this time, and save all the hassle.

    1. Re:Pre-Orders? by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      This may surprise you, but pre-ordering didn't help the xbox buyers any

    2. Re:Pre-Orders? by tgd · · Score: 2, Informative

      I assume you're not looking anymore for the 360?

      I seen them all the time. This last weekend, the Walmart, Target, and Circuit City stores near me I went into all had them. Warmart looked like it only had core systems, but thanks to my first 360 dying and MS replacing the console with a whole new console+harddrive, I have a spare drive. I almost picked one up so my girlfriend and I wouldn't have to fight for 360 time.

      In either case, are they really still hard to find in other parts of the country? I'm not out looking actively for them, but I keep seeing them in stock.

    3. Re:Pre-Orders? by pubjames · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the answer is not to pre-order?

      At least here in the UK, you can now buy XBoxes on ebay for less that the highstreet price. A core system with two controllers just went for 170 pounds about five minutes ago, they're over 200 pounds in the shops.

    4. Re:Pre-Orders? by Tenric · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've heard from a couple of friends that pre ordered that they got their systems, but only after a few weeks of waiting after the release day. Pre-ordering will get you a system, but you don't know exactly when. I had a buddy that went to a Target and got in line really early for a 360 on release. He got one, because not everyone thinks of waiting in line at a store like target, most everyone goes and waits in line at the big electronics stores.

    5. Re:Pre-Orders? by F_Scentura · · Score: 1

      Hell, some preorders are probably *still* waiting for theirs.

    6. Re:Pre-Orders? by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Try post-ordering. Wait six months after release and you'll be fine.

      The launch games you want will still be available, and perhaps even marked down.

      For all the effort you went through to get your PlayStation 2, wouldn't you want to keep playing it for a few more months?

    7. Re:Pre-Orders? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Order lots of stuff with it, at the XC launch retailers allocated units to preorders based on how much additional stuff was ordered with the console, not when the order was placed.

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    8. Re:Pre-Orders? by HaloZero · · Score: 1

      Right here.

      Bought and paid for. Our local GameStop(s) gets about two systems in as many weeks. It's certainly become ridiculous. Never again will I pay full-price for a pre-order. It's such a crock of shit, now over 3 months displaced from the official launch date.

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    9. Re:Pre-Orders? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I missed one by 5 minutes at a Target because I made the mistake to try Fred Meyer first. If I'd have tried Target first, I'd have been able to get one. Or woken up 10 minutes earlier.

      Oh well.

      Note that I woke up at 5:30 AM on launch day and I still only missed it by 5 minutes. If I had *really* wanted one, and had gotten there at midnight or 2:00 or so, I'd have been a shoe-in at either Fred Meyer or Target. So yes, I agree with your advice: skip the Best Buys, go to the large department stores that have decent electronics sections. Best Buy might have had 70 to sell, but they also had 200 people in line... Target and Best Buy had 34 to sell and 40 people in line (by opening time.)

    10. Re:Pre-Orders? by F_Scentura · · Score: 1

      Good god these people are shady. Let alone the managers "selling" their stock on ebay.

    11. Re:Pre-Orders? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fighting for 360 time with your girlfriend? You should be sticking your penis in her vagina! Then, she can play the 360 while you are asleep.

    12. Re:Pre-Orders? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although the premise of your recommendation is factual, the advice itself is horrible.

  8. But... by Donniedarkness · · Score: 1
    Isn't that when it was supposed to come out?

    Also, will they be able to offer it at a more reasonable price than was stated in earlier articles (assuming that the other figures were for if it was released earlier)?

    And, most importantly, will it run Linux?

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    1. Re:But... by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      Yes, no, and yes (but only a worthless crippled version).

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  9. This is Japan release by Xymor · · Score: 1

    Smart move I guess. I doubt this will affect US Release, But what I'm really interested to know is what Xbox360 features are they going to include in the system with this delay. I'm sure the released specs are going to change just as they change their minds about a central PS-Online system.
    Ah and by holidays, BD drives should be less expensive and the 900 bucks to manifacture projection will fall apart.

    1. Re:This is Japan release by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope (for Sony's sake), they are adoption the system for online distribution of "indie" games; I hear it's going pretty well for MS.

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    2. Re:This is Japan release by SalaciousPucker · · Score: 1

      You're optimistic. You expect them to delay 6 months and: 1) be ready for a NA & Japan release on day one which is not what they were planning to do originally 2) The blue-ray price to come down significantly before the first major sales period for the devices (Christmas 06) 3) Develop a XBOX Live This is not good for Sony. They are going to have a launch against a mature XBOX 360 that can drop its price and won't be selling at a major loss. That's not a good position to be in. Sony can't afford to get into a money throwing contest.

    3. Re:This is Japan release by jchenx · · Score: 1

      Smart move I guess. I doubt this will affect US Release

      I don't know about that. We all know how shipping in the US, Japan, and Europe in roughly the same time has affected 360 availability. Loads of 360s in Japan, but scarce everywhere else. If it shipped in the US first, and then everywhere else a month or two later, then the availability problems probably wouldn't have been as bad for those in the US.

      If Sony is aiming to ship in US and Japan around the same time (and it'd be crazy to miss the holiday '06 season for the US), I imagine they're going to have the same availability problems. Then again, the holidays are a long ways off so who knows ...

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  10. Can't Read TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.variety.com is getting too much traffic at this moment to read the article, are there any mirrors?

    1. Re:Can't Read TFA by VJ42 · · Score: 1
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  11. Rumours! by OK+PC · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wish Slashdot would stop running all these unsubstaniated rumours about the PS3 dela... Oh wait!

    P.s. Variety went down quick!

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  12. Sony Strategy? by ExE122 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It's always the ones that come out a little later that get the advantage. Nintendo has been doing this for years...

    Atari: 7800!
    Nintendo: NES!
    Sega: Genesis!
    Nintendo: SNES!
    Sony: Playstation!
    Nintendo: N64!
    Sony: Playstation 2!
    Nintendo: Game Cube!

    I think a little bit of delay will let them make some technology upgrades, develop more games, spur up some hype, and give them the upper hand over X-Box 360. Not to mention whetting people's appetites

    Its a well known phrase: "anticipating something is almost as good as having it".

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    1. Re:Sony Strategy? by iocat · · Score: 1

      Right... except the PS1 crushed the N64 in the market, and the PS2 crushed the GameCube. So I'm not sure exactly what the advantage is at this point...

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    2. Re:Sony Strategy? by omega9 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sony: Playstation!
      Nintendo: N64!
      Sony: Playstation 2!
      Nintendo: Game Cube!


      That's a joke, right?

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    3. Re:Sony Strategy? by EllF · · Score: 1

      Wait, wait. Did you -really- just suggest that the N64 was better than the PSX, and that the Cube could hold a candle to the PS2?

      Riiiight....

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    4. Re:Sony Strategy? by VendettaMF · · Score: 1

      And (at least in Europe) the megadrive (a localised Genesis) crushed the SNES utterly.

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    5. Re:Sony Strategy? by myspys · · Score: 1

      i used to own a ps2, but never found any good games (no, i DON'T enjoy fifa 02, fifa 03, fifa 04, fifa 05 etc)

      just last year i decided to buy a gamecube and i think i've found home

      for some reason the nintedo stuff feels like the apple stuff
      well thought out, and made for one purpose

      i really really enjoy the games on the gamecube and the loading times, yiiiha!

      thank you nintendo!

    6. Re:Sony Strategy? by gormanly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      huh?

      • The NES was released 27 months before the Master System and won, despite being technically inferior.
      • The SNES was released a year after the Mega Drive and won, and was technically superior.
      • The N64 was released 18 months after the Playstation, and lost, despite being technically superior.
      • The GameCube was released 18 months after the PS2 and just before the Xbox, and lost, despite being technically superior to the former and inferior to the latter.

      What matters seems to be the available games, though in the PS2 case a lot of people bought it as their first DVD player, justifying the purchase that way. That's what Sony were banking on with the PS3 too, but the BluRay capability has undoubtedly delayed their launch.

      Add in the facts that their CPU is quite weird and hard to program, and that they'll be last to market in this generation, and they've some small difficulties to overcome.

      I'd still bet that they will be a very strong contender this time round (not least due to backwards compatibility and the desire to keep game libraries while trashing the old machine), but unless MS continue to shoot themselves in both feet it'll probably be a lot closer this time round...

    7. Re:Sony Strategy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I could argue that case, certainly. PS1 and PS2 had a lot more sales, but Sony is a lot better at marketing and branding...
      Pointless fanboy arguing though. Owning both beats the shit out of just having one or the other.

    8. Re:Sony Strategy? by geoffspear · · Score: 1
      If your local game store only carries FIFA games, you might want to consider shopping somewhere else.

      I've seen stores with hundreds of titles, many of which have very little to do with soccer at all.

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    9. Re:Sony Strategy? by dogbowl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm with you. I've been a Nintendo fanboy for years, but just last night I thought I try out Shadow of the Colussus. I've read so much good press about the title, and I love out-of-the-ordinary games.

      But I'll be damned if I didnt think that game was awful. The controls reminded me of Prince of Persia ala '93 and the camera angle was awful. I don't care if the designers decided to make the game entirely out of the color grey, or go only with level bosses that still doesn't make it an "innovative" or even "artistic" game.

      The game *mechanics* are just like every other game I've played on the PS2; worse so since the controls were terrible.

      I think I've been spoiled on Nintendo's first party games

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    10. Re:Sony Strategy? by Manmademan · · Score: 1
      Add in the facts that their CPU is quite weird and hard to program, and that they'll be last to market in this generation
      The Cell is actually much easier to program than the EE on the Ps2 was, and by all accounts the Rev and Ps3 should hit the market at the same time. (the holiday '06 season) /nitpick
    11. Re:Sony Strategy? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "That's a joke, right?"

      If he's talking about technical superiority, then no, it's not a joke.

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    12. Re:Sony Strategy? by fr0dicus · · Score: 1

      If the controls felt like a 2D platformer, then I think your joypad is probably faulty.

    13. Re:Sony Strategy? by cornface · · Score: 1

      I think I've been spoiled on Nintendo's first party games

      Yeah, Mario Party 37 is sooooo sweet.

    14. Re:Sony Strategy? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Megadrive was the original name, Genesis is the US localization. And I think the last time I saw numbers the MD beat the SNES in the US while losing big time in Europe and Japan. The MD didn't appear very dominant where I lived.

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    15. Re:Sony Strategy? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      (no, i DON'T enjoy fifa 02, fifa 03, fifa 04, fifa 05 etc)

      Do what everyone does and get Pro Evolution Soccer instead.

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    16. Re:Sony Strategy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nintendo's consoles may have inferior marketing, but at least they have a sustainable business model.

    17. Re:Sony Strategy? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 0

      There's a few problems with your analysis.

      The NES was actually technically better than the Atari 7800 with a better game selection. The SNES, again, was technically better than the Genesis and had an equally good game selection. (Jurassic Park was 10 times better on Genesis than SNES for some reason; Genesis Mortal Kombat had the blood, etc.)

      But the Nintendo 64 isn't better than the Playstation technically, and it doesn't have a better collection of games. The Gamecube is slightly better than the PS2 technically, but has a crappy selection of games... AND the Xbox slaughters it technically with a decent number of great games there, as well.

      So in short, the second half of your little comparison there is crap. The Nintendo 64 doesn't beat the Playstation, and the Gamecube doesn't edge out the PS2 or the Xbox. At least IMO.

    18. Re:Sony Strategy? by mcmaddog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do you define "lost" in regards to the N64 or GameCube? They didn't sell as many units as the other systems but started making money for Nintendo from the start. I think Nintendo would be very happy to continue losing like that (as opposed to the billions of dollars literally lost by MicroSoft (and it's investors).) The win/lose thing in regards to consoles is silly. People buy the system(s) that has the games they want to play and if the console is profittable (or strategic in regards to MS and Sony) they produce the next version.

    19. Re:Sony Strategy? by Thrakkerzog · · Score: 1

      Funny thing about GCN. xbox sales have very much slowed down since the 360 came out, while the GCN sales are still coming in at a few thousand a week. I wonder if it would be possible for GCN to "catch up" to the xbox, since the 360 came out so early?

      In my mind, the gamecube came in 2nd place because they actually turned a profit.

    20. Re:Sony Strategy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mega Drive in Japan, then Genesis in the U.S., then Mega Drive in PAL territories.

      Mega Drive beat SNES in most parts of that U.K., and in England overall. It wasn't a trouncing, but a lot of old-school U.K. game programmers liked the 68000 so much that they ignored the SNES in favor of using the 68K in the MD. The rest of Europe was divided by region as to whether SNES or MD was on top. For starters, Spain and France loved the SNES, and are still major Nintendo strongholds to this day.

      SNES came out on top over the Genesis in the U.S. after launching so much later. It was a slow but steady rise. The SNES was the preferred system due to its superior graphics effects capabilities, sound synth, controller, and Japanese software support. Nobody here cared too much about the other performance differences as Europe did. Plus, Nintendo of America was doing almost everything right marketing-wise (with the exception of kowtowing to then-current legislators unnecesarily), while Sega of America was, as usual, doing their best to sink the entire corporation.

      In Japan, there was no contest whatsoever. Mega Drive lost against almost every system that was concurrently on the market. It lost against Famicom, it lost against PC Engine, and it definitely lost against Super Famicom. Imagine that the software support for the Mega Drive was almost as bad as what the Saturn experienced in the U.S., only a bit better.

    21. Re:Sony Strategy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The NES was released 27 months before the Master System and won, despite being technically inferior."

      False. Go get a SMS and prove it to yourself already. I have two, a launch unit, a cart-only SMS2, plus a Japanese Mk3, a Power Base Converter, and a Game Gear. The SMS was pure shit compared to the base NES except for the ___Japanese___ sound chip and the color handling vs. ___unenhanced___ NES games. Of course, the NES saw many on-cart enhancements, had two more buttons and a much better d-pad, and the immensely superior software selection.

      "The SNES was released a year after the Mega Drive and won, and was technically superior."

      In all ways except CPU speed, yeah.

      "The N64 was released 18 months after the Playstation, and lost, despite being technically superior."

      In all ways except media capacity and raw polygon performance.

      "The GameCube was released 18 months after the PS2 and just before the Xbox, and lost, despite being technically superior to the former and inferior to the latter."

      The GameCube is weakest of the three in terms of sound output (the only digital sound output was hidden in the digital a/v port that the, and isn't spdif-compliant, plus there was no AC3 support, just matrix surround codecs like DPL2 over two discrete channels) and media capacity (optical and magnetic). But it is the technical equal of the Xbox at almost everything else. The Xbox has a lead over it in terms of its graphics processor, but it is a negligible difference.

    22. Re:Sony Strategy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Gamecube did not lose to the XBox, at least not internationally. It was PS2 first, and XBox/Gamecube tied second.

  13. No word on price, I see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    First off, this article is really more focused on Sony's various troubles and not on the PS3 in particular, so after wading through the stuff on Sony's failing entertainment businesses (with no mention of "root kit" or "copy protection"...), I was hoping to see something on the projected price.

    Nope.

    Instead, we get: "If PS3 'delivers what everyone thinks it will, the game is up,' Stringer boasts."

    "If?!" So, in other words, the PS3 won't be delivering what everyone thinks it will. Which, ironically enough, I think everyone already knew. Essentially it sounds like the entire game-plan for the PS3 is to sneak Blu-ray into a consumer market that otherwise doesn't want it, to hell with games. Really encouraging.

    From the article: "Sony's new PlayStation 3 was widely expected to be introduced this spring, but will be delayed as the company fine-tunes the chips that are crucial to the success of the console's Blu-ray function."

    "Fine-tunes", huh? So, in other words, the rumors of an almost $1000 price tag for the system weren't too far off, and Sony has to delay until they can get the cost down to something that people might actually pay for. But he can't actually say that, of course.

    Ultimately it sounds like the PS3 is Sony trying to abuse a monopoly it doesn't have to force Blu-ray into the market place. Yeah, that might work.

    1. Re:No word on price, I see... by rob1980 · · Score: 1

      So, in other words, the rumors of an almost $1000 price tag for the system weren't too far off, and Sony has to delay until they can get the cost down to something that people might actually pay for. But he can't actually say that, of course.

      It should go without saying that units won't fly off of shelves at a $1,000 price point. If that's really what the price tag is on those things right now, then Sony would do just as well to wait until they can strike a balance between what consumers are willing to pay and how much they're willing to lose per unit. It may not have as much to do with "forcing" Blu-Ray on the market as you think it does.

      Oh wait, I'm wrong - Sony is an evil, ruthless empire from the far east that is bound and determined to force their highly-entertaining game consoles into our living rooms so everyone can revel in the technical superiority of Final Fantasy 27.

    2. Re:No word on price, I see... by rcamera · · Score: 1

      FF27? i thought it was called FFXXVII. and if you think that's technically superior, wait until you see FFXXVIII

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  14. Not what it says. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Sony will roll out the PS3 by year end, in time for the holidays." This means "Sony will roll out the PS3 no later than year end, in time for the holidays."

    1. Re:Not what it says. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, they don't say how much time before "the holidays" (October? November? December?), which means that they're not sure yet. I assume it has to be out before Thanksgiving, but unless stuff starts falling into place really fast, they'll be down to the wire meeting that date.

  15. What? by ducttapekz · · Score: 1

    The article doesn't say that Stringer said that. They just throw the holiday release date out there as if it was fact. I am sick of stupid rumors and horrible summaries.

    1. Re:What? by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      the article says to expect the ps3 by the holiday season. it quickly follows with a stringer quote. stringer didnt say anything about the release date.

      truth doesnt get mod points. esp when no one else reads the article.

  16. A bad thing? by hunterx11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From a sales perspective, wouldn't the holiday season be a good time to release a product like this?

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    1. Re:A bad thing? by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As far as raw launch sales, probably.

      As far as getting the Blu-Ray mind/marketshare, not so much.

    2. Re:A bad thing? by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Given that it's main competitor is already selling pretty well, I guess the best time would be "as soon as possible".

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    3. Re:A bad thing? by dogbowl · · Score: 1

      The PS3's main comptetitor is the PS2, which is still selling pretty well. Sony wants to ride its cash cow as long as possible.

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  17. That's it by Kamalot · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'll be picking up an Xbox 360. The more I read about Sony't PS3, the less and less I want one. Sony is now showing a lot of confidence these days and I'm jumping ship. I cen't believe how nice my friend's Xbox 360 is and I want in on the action NOW!

    See you on Live.

    1. Re:That's it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken either like a true shill or a blind fanboy. Thanks for the insight, jackass.

    2. Re:That's it by animejoe · · Score: 1

      Man, that's harsh. I think you forgot to say something about his mother.

    3. Re:That's it by Kamalot · · Score: 1

      My Mom's not getting a PS3 either. ;-)

  18. Re:I'll say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now Sony can release the PS3 bundled with Nude Dukem Forever.

  19. Not really... by rinkjustice · · Score: 2, Interesting

    because when the PS3 finally comes out, whatever time of year, it will likely be in limited supply, not well supported by 3rd party software, and expensive as hell. This makes it an early adopters "must have" and not much else until price goes down and support goes up.

    1. Re:Not really... by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      when has a playstation product ever had a lack of support from 3rd party software?

    2. Re:Not really... by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      At the launch.

  20. Not official by VickiM · · Score: 1

    According to Next Generation, Stringer did not confirm a holiday launch. The Variety server seems to be on fire already, so I haven't had a chance to look at what exactly they claim.

    http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_conte nt&task=view&id=2411&Itemid=2

  21. I bet i can predict the next slashdot headline! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The PS3, delay not really official?

    I mean seriously, out of every 5 articles posted here, 2 are ps3 delayed! ps3 not delayed? ps3 might be delayed? is there even a ps3?

  22. few questions by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 1

    Is holiday '06 for Japan or the US? We already have known from prior interviews that the Japan release will be first (and probably have many more consoles for sale). This could push the U.S. release of the PS3 into the realm of March '07.

    Market analysts (non M$) are predicting 5.5 million Xbox360's sold by June and around 12-15 million by the end of the year. Certain PS3 fanboys will buy a PS3 no matter when it is released, but why will the average family buy a PS3 when they have a 360 and a solid collection of games?.

    With Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter and Elder Scrolls:Oblivion coming out this month, along with more and more consoles hitting the shelves, Microsoft is looking absolutely golden.

    1. Re:few questions by Manmademan · · Score: 1
      Market analysts (non M$) are predicting 5.5 million Xbox360's sold by June and around 12-15 million by the end of the year. Certain PS3 fanboys will buy a PS3 no matter when it is released, but why will the average family buy a PS3 when they have a 360 and a solid collection of games?.

      Because the "average family" does NOT have an Xbox360 or a "solid collection of games." IIRC, there are just around 2 million xboxes actually sold so far. In comparison, there are 20 million gamecubes, 20 million Xboxes, and 100 million Ps2's. One would think "the average family" is still quite happy with those.

    2. Re:few questions by Kuukai · · Score: 1

      Actually, of the two families I've had (host family in Japan and real one in America), both seem to be happy with older stuff. The Japanese one has all sorts of fun on their Super-Famicom, and the suburbanite one loves the NES. Of course, since the "average person" loves high-def fps games (not puzzle or platformer, of course), 360 should be selling like hotcakes.

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  23. Asked this on a previous PS3 thread... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but got no responses... so I ask again:

    This is a real question, and there might be a perfectly good answer to it, but I haven't been able to figure it out...

    Aside from the projected cost to manufacture and the willingness of console manufacturers to "eat" costs for the first months of production, how is Sony going to get away with charging signifigantly less then the $1000 the first dedicated Blu-Ray players are going to cost? If, like Samsung, I were making a Blu-Ray player that cost that much, and then Sony comes in and charges half that for the PS3, I'd be royally pissed. Sure, cost to manufacture would drop eventually, and perhaps the PS3 won't be seen until Christmas, but still, no one's going to buy something that only plays movies when there's another device out there that costs less or close to what I'm selling my device for.

    Again, price for dedicated players may drop dramatically over the coming months, but is this a potential contributing factor in any delay? Am I overlooking something? When the PS2 came out, how much did DVD players go for? Where are my pants?

    Anyway, this is my #1 question about the PS3. Anyone care to shed some light?

  24. Text Extract of TFA. by dannycim · · Score: 1

    It's a rather long-winded article about many Sony topics, here's an extract of the text that addresses the PS3's "delay" and Blu-Ray:

    Sony's new PlayStation 3 was widely expected to be introduced this spring, but will be delayed as the company fine-tunes the chips that are crucial to the success of the console's Blu-ray function.

    The PlayStation 3 --- which is being called "the poor man's Blue-ray" --- is vital to Sony's plans because it plays Blu-ray discs as well as videogames.

    Sony will roll out the PS3 by year end, in time for the holidays. If PS3 "delivers what everyone thinks it will, the game is up," Stringer boasts.

    Blu-ray is the system developed by Sony to view next-generation high-definition DVDs. Rival format HD DVD is championed by Toshiba. Microsoft recently joined the HD DVD camp, a move that came as its Xbox 360 videogame console is trying to grab market share from PlayStation, the industry leader.

    Software makers, electronics firms and Hollywood studios have lined up behind one or the other, or both.

    For Sony, the stakes of the rivalry are colossal. The new discs are seen as a way to energize flattening DVD sales. Both the systems also make movies harder to pirate.

    Some believe Stringer is betting the company on Blu-ray. The technology is more advanced than HD DVD and would allow the players to incorporate interactive features and others still to be developed. But HD DVD is easier to manufacture and the boxes will be cheaper.

    Stringer, and just about every other media exec, studio chief and retailer, fears a Betamax-VHS redux -- a format war that would irritate and confuse consumers. After all, if folks don't know which player to buy, they might walk out empty-handed. "If that happens," one top entertainment exec quips, "I think someone from Wal-Mart is going to take a gun and shoot one of them."

    "Once Microsoft picked sides it was clear we were going to be in a battle royale," Stringer says, vowing to protect his turf. "We won't be stampeded" by Microsoft into rushing decisions "that are there forever."

    One strange twist in the battle is that Toshiba is working with Sony and IMB to produce the cell chip that's the foundation of Blu-ray -- a topsy-turvy scenario that only serves to underscore the contortions Stringer finds himself performing these days. "One day my enemy is my enemy," he says. "The next day the enemy is my friend."

  25. Might mean more competition by scolby · · Score: 1

    Halo has historically been released in November...perhaps old Billy didn't misspeak...

  26. Real Time by tprime · · Score: 1

    Hmm, Sony not being accurate with their predications.... Thats Odd..

    Did he happen to mention if it will be able to render Toy Story in real time??

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    1. Re:Real Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish people would stop perpetuating this. The "Toy Story in real time" remark was made about the Xbox, not the PS2. Hopefully someone else can provide the linkage.

    2. Re:Real Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was more concerend about it being able to render the FF8 ballroom scene in real time. Supposedly the ps2 can already do both of these things but we're all still waiting to see it.

  27. geez by rabbot · · Score: 1

    shucks, by the time the Rev and PS3 come out, the Xbox 2 will be old news. Maybe that's Sony's plan.

  28. Not surprising by lion2 · · Score: 1

    Considering the fact that they've basically showed almost nothing about the PS3. They havent even shown it in its final form. Instead showing empty boxes and demos running on giant development kits. Hopefully E3 can shed some light on what their status is.

  29. XBOX 360's Main Problem by DarkNemesis618 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Maybe this has been said before and if it has, I'm sorry. But I have an XBOX 360 and I like it. I think Microsoft did a decent job with it. I'll admit, there are several things that Microsoft could have done better, backwards compatibility being the big one.

    The thing that I think really hurt the XBOX 360 is the lack of a big launch game. The original XBOX had Halo. XBOX 360 had no one "big" game at launch, and still doesn't have that "big" game. This doesn't mean that Perfect Dark Zero or Call of Duty 2, or any of the launch titles are bad, they're just not the caliber of Halo that the original XBOX launched with. I think that once Microsoft releases that one game, Halo 3 perhaps, that the XBOX 360 will start doing better. It may start doing better this month when more of the 360 games come out such as Ghost Recon 3.

    To sum it up, I think the 360 has what's needed to be a good, true next gen system. Microsoft and the game developers just need to get the new games out, that are truly next gen rather than modified-for-360 games.

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    1. Re:XBOX 360's Main Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...any of the launch titles are bad, they're just not the caliber of Halo that the original XBOX launched with."
      And that says something about people who consider that "game" to be high "caliber."

      Face it, "Perfect Dark Zero or Call of Duty 2, or any of the launch titles" == Halo 1.

    2. Re:XBOX 360's Main Problem by pappy97 · · Score: 1

      Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I could have sworn that the original Halo was NOT an XBOX launch title. I could have sworn it came out later and then quickly gave people a reason to buy XBOX.

      Can anyone confirm?

  30. As I predicted, PS3 is AFTER Blu-Ray players by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Note that, in fact, they will be in the stores before Halloween (the important Thanksgiving to Christmas season), but they're delaying them to allow for any needed tech fixes to Blu-Ray hardware. They are releasing the Blu-Ray discs for music and movies first, working out the bugs, and then will ship the PS3 with any hardware glitches fixed.

    From the article: "Now, electronics and games can take center stage, although major questions loom at those divisions as well.

    Sony's new PlayStation 3 was widely expected to be introduced this spring, but will be delayed as the company fine-tunes the chips that are crucial to the success of the console's Blu-ray function.

    The PlayStation 3 --- which is being called "the poor man's Blue-ray" --- is vital to Sony's plans because it plays Blu-ray discs as well as videogames.

    Sony will roll out the PS3 by year end, in time for the holidays. If PS3 "delivers what everyone thinks it will, the game is up," Stringer boasts."


    Now, to be frank, I wish MSFT would have had a longer burn-in when they did xBox. Anyone have any opinions on any problems with the xBox360? How stable is it? I haven't heard any complaints, so I'm guessing there are fewer glitches than when the xBox came out ...

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    1. Re:As I predicted, PS3 is AFTER Blu-Ray players by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      dang, sorry, forgot the close bracket for bold. my apologies. should have been unbolded after the first sentence.

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    2. Re:As I predicted, PS3 is AFTER Blu-Ray players by jchenx · · Score: 3, Informative

      I haven't had any problems with my 360 console itself. It sits happily in my entertainment shelf, with the power brick sitting behind the TV on the carpet. No disc reading problems, which plagued me on the Xbox and PS2. (With the PS2, I did the whole "tilt it vertical" to get it to work with some games)

      I did have an issue with a controller charger. I had to get a new one and now it works fine.

      I know a few other folks with 360s, and no one has had any problems either. Either we're just lucky, or they know the proper way to keep it ventilated and such. I'm also on a listserv with probably over 100 360 owners too, and only a few people have reported problems. I don't know exactly how many 360 owners there are, since it'd be pretty annoying to have a "raise your hand if you own a 360!" thread going.

      I see a lot of complaints about the 360 hardware, but it seems like it's so anecdotal. Usually it's folks complaining that don't even have the console ... they just read about it on the Internet. And obviously, those folks are going to be a lot more prevalant on sites like Slashdot, which aren't friendly to MS by any means. *shrugs* I imagine we'll see the same complaints when the PS3 ships, since there are plenty of Sony haters as well (rootkit anyone?).

      For those who care, here's my philosophy with defects: Are there occasional problems with the hardware? Absolutely! Every hardware product is going to have some defect rate. That's what return departments are for. Unfortunately, it's pretty common to happen in the console space. Anyone remember the PSP "dead pixel" problem? Or the rants about the original GBA's bad design (lack of backlighting)? Or the many "dirty disc" errors with the PS2 and Xbox? What WOULD be nice is to see actual statistics on how often 360s have to be returned, and then compare it to how other consoles fared (especially when they first started). However, I can't imagine that being made public information by MS, Sony, or Nintendo.

      So, why not make a product that is 100% guaranteed to work every single time, in whatever situation you put it in? Well, you COULD do that, but either the cost of the unit will go up, or it'll take a lot longer to go out. Meanwhile, you have a lot of enthusiasts which will take whatever you have and run with it. I'd say the ideal is to get something that works the vast majority of the time, for the vast majority of cases. Let's say 95%. For the 5% that get screwed, again, that's what return departments are for. It's cheaper to funnel those folks through returns, instead of making the product absolutely idiot proof and NASA-safe.

      But that's just me. Then again, I'm not one of those unlucky 5%, so to each his own. (And it seems to me that the defect rate for the 360 is lower than 5%, but that's just my own guesstimate)

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      -- jchenx
    3. Re:As I predicted, PS3 is AFTER Blu-Ray players by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I have a 360 and, to be fair, mine's not one of the first-out-of-the-gate but it's the second shipment, so maybe problems were fixed.

      But so far I have no complaints whatsoever except one: They made the controller a bit too small, and my hands get sore a LOT quicker than the controller-S on regular Xbox, especially during Dead or Alive 4. Also, removal of the white button really screwed me up in Halo 2 because I forgot how to turn on my radio and talk to teammates. ;) (FYI, you can use Up on the d-pad, or hit the right shoulder button to talk, if you had the same problem I had.)

      When Logitech does their usual controller magic and makes a great 360 controller, I'll have no complaints.

    4. Re:As I predicted, PS3 is AFTER Blu-Ray players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So everyone in the industry knows what has gone down

      Sony was going to release PS3 in Japan in Spring and Summer in US. They are delaying it obviously, but not telling people about it until the last minute to try to create more and more hype. They will say something like "Summer Release! Stay tuned for where!" at GDC, even though they could come out with the truth any time they want to.

      So expect PS3 to come out in VERY SMALL QUANTITIES in the US sometime beore the end of the year. They will be lucky if they have a million units - actually, the only way for them to have a million units in the US is probably to take them from the Japanese launch, which is going to make many a Japanese otaku pissed off this holiday.

      What Sony is looking for is hype and a huge FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) campaign to try to do as much damage to the Xbox 360 momentum which is as strong as any video game system has ever been in history of video game systems.

      Microsoft is on track to break the magic 10 million system mark by the end of the year, so Sony is scared s***tless. Microsoft has the mindshare right now and they are also growing the biggest and best lineup of new and exciting franchises (Too Human, Mass Effect, etc), unlike Sony who has a Halo wannabe(Killzone), and a game with dragons by a flailing Factor 5 (Lair), some 1st party games that nobody even remembers anymore (Warhawk), then some multi-platform games which will have better online play through Xbox 360. Big whoop de doo, on the games side of things Sony is looking very weak. They have hype only, ONLY to carry them along.

      They will do drastic measures to make sure they can hype their system up and try to take away even just some marginal attention away from the Xbox. They simply won't have enough games ready and MS is coming out swinging with second gen titles like Gears of War. I fully expect Sony to:

      1) Release at $399 in US sometime around late Nov or early Dec, but $500 in Japan. They know they have their work cut out for them in the US.

      2) Release with some sort of free but basic online service and claim they have free online versus paid Xbox online (MS already countered this one with the free Silver live memberships).

      3) Say that Blu Ray is the best, blah blah we have new DVD format please switch thanks for ordering please pull to the window so we can make money and get out of debt.

      This is the year of the Xbox 360 - nothing can take away from that at this point and not even Sony is going to stop the momentum. Since Xbox 360 will sell record amounts this year Sony is pretty much screwed to 2nd place, even if they win in Japan they will lose in the rest of the world and be "that system with a bunch of anime and role playing games on it".

  31. the PC is not the Console by Manmademan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The average console gamer does NOT love high def fps games. The average PC gamer DOES. Halo sold generally well on the Xbox (about 5 million per title) but it (and most fps'es) have been grossly outsold by the Marios, Maddens, Grand Theft Autos, etc.

  32. Official, huh? by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Where's the announcement? Where's the quote from Stringer?

    Because I sure don't see either in TFA.

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    "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  33. No Problems here! by MintMMs · · Score: 1

    I've had mine since mid December and it's run without a hitch.

  34. Price by Deth+Rot · · Score: 1

    The delay,if there is one, isnt a bad thing for me. It will give me time to apply for the home loan I will need to buy it.

  35. Sony Playing Hype Machine Game Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So everyone in the industry knows what has gone down:

    Sony was going to release PS3 in Japan in Spring and Summer in US. They are delaying it obviously, but not telling people about it until the last minute to try to create more and more hype. They will say something like "Summer Release! Stay tuned for where!" at GDC, even though they could come out with the truth any time they want to.

    So expect PS3 to come out in VERY SMALL QUANTITIES in the US sometime beore the end of the year. They will be lucky if they have a million units - actually, the only way for them to have a million units in the US is probably to take them from the Japanese launch, which is going to make many a Japanese otaku pissed off this holiday.

    What Sony is looking for is hype and a huge FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) campaign to try to do as much damage to the Xbox 360 momentum which is as strong as any video game system has ever been in history of video game systems.

    Microsoft is on track to break the magic 10 million system mark by the end of the year, so Sony is scared s***tless. Microsoft has the mindshare right now and they are also growing the biggest and best lineup of new and exciting franchises (Too Human, Mass Effect, etc), unlike Sony who has a Halo wannabe(Killzone), and a game with dragons by a flailing Factor 5 (Lair), some 1st party games that nobody even remembers anymore (Warhawk), then some multi-platform games which will have better online play through Xbox 360. Big whoop de doo, on the games side of things Sony is looking very weak. They have hype only, ONLY to carry them along.

    They will do drastic measures to make sure they can hype their system up and try to take away even just some marginal attention away from the Xbox. They simply won't have enough games ready and MS is coming out swinging with second gen titles like Gears of War. I fully expect Sony to:

    1) Release at $399 in US sometime around late Nov or early Dec, but $500 in Japan. They know they have their work cut out for them in the US.

    2) Release with some sort of free but basic online service and claim they have free online versus paid Xbox online (MS already countered this one with the free Silver live memberships).

    3) Say that Blu Ray is the best, blah blah we have new DVD format please switch thanks for ordering please pull to the window so we can make money and get out of debt.

    This is the year of the Xbox 360 - nothing can take away from that at this point and not even Sony is going to stop the momentum. Since Xbox 360 will sell record amounts this year Sony is pretty much screwed to 2nd place, even if they win in Japan they will lose in the rest of the world and be "that system with a bunch of anime and role playing games on it".