How is this law, real or not, any different than thousands of other laws on the books in various states that aim to make something illegal by requiring that you register your 'group', business or service?
Anyone wanting to do something contrary to the morals of the standing legislators is likely to fall foul of one or more laws with the same miasmal qualities. For instance, look at sex laws; they are nothing but attempts to stop 'subversive' elements of local society, or at least make it so you can fine them if they do those 'subversive' things, and generally make them unwelcome in the community.
I say we should hang those that enact such laws if it were not so hypocritical....
Just a thought, capitalism is more like evolution than the Internet. It doesn't route around, it just allows bad ideas to fail. That said, the government(s) sometime stick their ho-ho grabbers in at the wrong places and we end up with life support systems woven into law for some business plans but not others. Evolution stops, and that's messing with nature man! Yes, I just compared Tier 1 providers to Frankenstein in a roundabout way. If the last mile was forced open so anyone can play, those 30 would easily be buying up Tier 1 providers for augmenting their business plan, which gives us a different set of problems. Such as 'how long can Google avoid being evil?'
Oh sure, if we get rid of lobbyists, stock holders, dumbass legislators, and a few greedy groups of sharks like the RIAA et al, all will be good. The trouble is that every time I check the magic 8 ball on this it answers in negative tones.... WITH ALL CAPS too. If capitalistic growth happens, how do we prevent ending up with simply a different and more complex set of problems?
That one phrase is one of the most interesting and most insulting that can be used. Void where prohibited is the same as saying we're not sure where a judge will rule this illegal, but in case they do, you lose. Why not be user friendly (anyone remember that phrase?) and say what laws you ARE in compliance with, perhaps listing a reference to your licensing documents? Even lawyers are prohibited from practicing law in regions they are not licensed for. Yes, I realize that the WWW is not quite the same thing, but in the EULA you should mention all the regions where it is legal and above board since the L in EULA stands for license. As a user, if you don't know where you are in compliance, how the hell am I supposed to know? While 'buyer beware' always applies, in this day and age, it's not unreasonable to expect that a service list where it is in compliance with privacy laws in their privacy statement.
As far as Facebook users should be concerned, if the government of Canada thinks there are privacy violations, there are... at least until Facebook clears the matter up unequivocally and publicly. After all, how can I in good faith sign or accept a EULA if I cannot be sure your service is in compliance with the applicable laws? DING That is to say that EULAs are wrong from word one, but staying on point, if there is to be one, shouldn't the burden be on the provider to show what privacy laws they are in compliance with?
"and which border agents can have total confidence in"
Replace 'border agents' with any group you want... and what they have confidence in does not matter. Total confidence in anything other than yourself is foolish at best. Can anyone in the US say Federal Reserve? Yes, I know, humans were in the loop on that one, but so are they on this one. Anything sold as the be all and end all or something you can have total confidence in is not familiar with how crooked border agents work. sigh. There were some folk with total confidence in electronic voting machines.....
I will go along with this as long as every time it fails the government makes a mortgage payment for me.
Speaking of demographics, even though I think this article is bs, if I do get a refrigerator with a pc in the door, I want it to be this biOS kind. The one in my car would probably be quite handy if it was the biOS kind as well.
computer users, but when the network is down all bets are off. No matter how good the experience normally is, one lightning storm is all it will take to send johnny user off to computers are us to buy a full functioning pc.
Forget jailbreaking the iShit.... just don't buy one, problem solved. Ohhhh, you want to use the iWhateverStuff? Live with the DRM then, sucker!
Ahem, that is not a troll, but simply the facts of iLife stated rather bluntly. It is their store, and if they want to run off all their customers, that is their problem. If you're drinking the iCoolaid you need to not complain about the iDRM. Apple is not too big to fail, they just didn't drill so many holes in their life raft as some automakers did.
You are right, and the suspicion was piqued when the officer in question realized that the user was using command line interface rather than windows, which automatically makes them a hacker... apparently.
The business of allowing law enforcement and the judiciary to make judgment on another profession is ill-advised at the best of times. It's sort of like letting an English teacher decide what bills to enact as law. I'm not saying it will always fail, but the likelihood that it will fail is staggeringly high.
Those Iranians, Arabs, and Terrorists use P2P networks! Lets regulate or ban them. ZOMG, they use television too. Lets ban TV networks. Oh noes, they use cars and roads too... Well, walking is good for you. Damn, they use elections too. We don't want to be like 'them' so no more elections. How much more ignorant are reporters and politicians going to get?
Oh no, they use television to broadcast government propaganda. No more.... wait, they copied that from us, so that's ok.
I'm waiting for the first idiot legislator to suggest that foreign governments and terrorists are using Linux so it too must be banned.
Are you kidding? They lose interest based on who it's from long before any reading of text messages is required.... except for mobile twitterers. Nobody can explain that.
time out! How does making one cable run constitute reason for determining ROI on making cables based on cables per hour etc?
There are some of us who can whip out a standard 15ft Cat5 cable in about twice the time it takes to unwrap a commercially purchased cable. If you need custom sized cables, it's far easier and cheaper except for very small number of situations. If you have one cable run to do and the parts available, it makes no sense to go buy one. It's not like you're going to run out and get a 39 meter Cat6 cable at lunch time in the Mall.
Now, if you need 50 of them? perhaps a different story, but same story goes when you need 5000 of them. Savings get bigger with bulk. In this case, it was for a single cable. My suspicion is that his boss has never actually seen a well made cable created in front of his eyes. Remember grasshopper, all great Samurai swords were made by hand, not a machine with expensive dies.
Whatever happened to quality custom workmanship? It's almost as if people expect that it can't be done anymore? WTF?
There is a difference. Imagine all that you said, but replace Taser with Mercedes. The virtual world part cannot be ignored. What LL is doing is 'selling' something that when combined with the virtual world has the ability to look like someone's product. LL did not create this 'something' nor do they promote it any differently than they promote any other products being virtually sold to virtual people in a virtual world.
The DMCA (w/s)ould apply.
BTW, I can create something that is modeled on anyone's product and sell it. I believe that a great number of artists have done this in the past. There are a great number of watches that you can buy which are recreations of some other watch or are modeled on other watches. This list of things goes on and on. Being modeled after something means nothing. Being an exact replica and being marketed as the copied object... that means something.
In SL there are replicas of a great many things. Should they all be illegal?
Now, if Taser wants to apply the DMCA and start selling their own products in SL the original devices can be renamed "The Shocker" which I'm sure will sell just as well.
I don't think Taser has much, if any, legal grounds here. Regarding the SL market? They have nothing but FAIL. There are a lot of folk on SL that are similar to/b/. Chances of Taser getting anything good out of this now? Zero.
If they are not already in contact with him about this, they probably don't deserve to see any profit from it. This is the first thing I thought of since the stories are right next to each other.
I'm also interested to know if they can improve this to work even when people can't see the keyboard etc.
Owning a portfolio of Senators, Federal Judges, and misc. Whitehouse staffers is not "paid up" in any sense of the words, unless of course you'd like to say that the Democrats or Republican are 'paid up' on their contributions. They say the only good way to rob a bank is to own one. It looks as though this is part of the **AA's new business model - buy the bank, then steal it blind rather than just rob the customers as they come in to deposit their paychecks.
By owning a large enough part of the Federal government, the **AA is able to convince the rest of government that they need international copyright trade agreements that are sealed due to national security. If there really were something we could call the "mark of the beast" I'm willing to bet that it has the **AA members logos displayed aesthetically beneath it.
I'm of a mind to say that even if this girl did share audio files, there is no morality system in the world that is recognized under any name other than evil that justifies how the **AA are treating their own customers, grandkids, mothers, grandparents etc. To paraphrase Mr Gump, "fucking assholes do as fucking assholes do" and no amount of apologetizing will get them a reputation better than that of pond scum.
Just exactly who is going to decide what "... a compelling state interest" is?
Let me guess? The same people that will charge you with treason or terrorism?
Yes, I think anonymous speech should be protected... until it become defamation or slander. Both are pretty difficult slopes to tread when the figure being defamed or slandered is a public figure. On another note, a political figure is both public and a part of the government. They have even less right to any privacy regarding their lives than probably anyone else. Despite the allure of any resulting tapes, Pamela Anderson has a right to expect privacy... no matter who she is fucking. A political leader... not so much.
How in the name of the FSM did you get modded as troll? Damnation, you made sense... oh wait
We will all probably not know for sure. Simply blaming it on a deity is not an answer, so even those who believe in creationism will not know for sure. IMO, not even after they die, but we'll never know about that one either.
I do not have to know how the universe came into existence to believe that evolution is true, and is the foundation of all life on this planet.
BING BING BING -- we have a winner. The wording was changed just enough to stop argument and allow further plundering of science education by those who 'claim' to meet the criteria for course material via 'scientific evidence'....
I live in Texas and I have to tell you that the news that makes national and world headlines from this state is never good... outside that one press release on the invention of breast augmentation. When it comes to science and the law, most people here are not really in the slot of sharp knives in the flatware drawer.
Think about it clearly: the simple fact that this is an ongoing news-making argument means that they just don't get it and will have left a back door for ID and creationism to creep it's way into school curriculum, either directly or through the school's 'emphasis' on what is said in class.
I can tell you that I'm fully frustrated that this is even being discussed. Religion belongs in some other class, not science class. The bible is not evidence. If it was then clips like this would be banned, and not as funny as this really is.
The whole argument about creation in the science class is disgusting. Disgusting as anything I can think of. Fscking morons.
Did you see the episode where they were clearing cured cement from a cement truck? They had no idea what the explosion would do but stood back curiously far when it exploded. Turns out it was a good thing. 500lbs of explosion just has one predictor model: fucking big boom... and subsequent mess. Explosions like the OKC bomb didn't rip things up a mile away. It seems likely that the pressure of the blast may have been affected by weather or something to keep it traveling fast at ground level, which would have been unpredictable by all but the most learned of explosive experts.
Yes, but we are changing history... this particular instance of 42 will help us to build a gravity wave detector which will further be used to detect the Galactic superhighway construction, allowing us to register a complaint about government confiscation of space it has no right to. At long last all the training will pay off and Earth's lawyers will then have something useful to do. Ambulance chasers will become the heroes they always thought themselves to be, and history will forever reward them.... except for *AA lawyers who will be scorned by both humans and all other Galactic citizens right up to the end of time... if you're fortunate enough to have reservations to see it.
Not only did they miss a few, but the simple part of this is that those tech companies really don't go in big for telecommuting/teleworking. The one group of companies that would most be able to use it... oops!
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How is this law, real or not, any different than thousands of other laws on the books in various states that aim to make something illegal by requiring that you register your 'group', business or service?
Anyone wanting to do something contrary to the morals of the standing legislators is likely to fall foul of one or more laws with the same miasmal qualities. For instance, look at sex laws; they are nothing but attempts to stop 'subversive' elements of local society, or at least make it so you can fine them if they do those 'subversive' things, and generally make them unwelcome in the community.
I say we should hang those that enact such laws if it were not so hypocritical ....
Just a thought, capitalism is more like evolution than the Internet. It doesn't route around, it just allows bad ideas to fail. That said, the government(s) sometime stick their ho-ho grabbers in at the wrong places and we end up with life support systems woven into law for some business plans but not others. Evolution stops, and that's messing with nature man! Yes, I just compared Tier 1 providers to Frankenstein in a roundabout way. If the last mile was forced open so anyone can play, those 30 would easily be buying up Tier 1 providers for augmenting their business plan, which gives us a different set of problems. Such as 'how long can Google avoid being evil?'
Oh sure, if we get rid of lobbyists, stock holders, dumbass legislators, and a few greedy groups of sharks like the RIAA et al, all will be good. The trouble is that every time I check the magic 8 ball on this it answers in negative tones.... WITH ALL CAPS too. If capitalistic growth happens, how do we prevent ending up with simply a different and more complex set of problems?
That one phrase is one of the most interesting and most insulting that can be used. Void where prohibited is the same as saying we're not sure where a judge will rule this illegal, but in case they do, you lose. Why not be user friendly (anyone remember that phrase?) and say what laws you ARE in compliance with, perhaps listing a reference to your licensing documents? Even lawyers are prohibited from practicing law in regions they are not licensed for. Yes, I realize that the WWW is not quite the same thing, but in the EULA you should mention all the regions where it is legal and above board since the L in EULA stands for license. As a user, if you don't know where you are in compliance, how the hell am I supposed to know? While 'buyer beware' always applies, in this day and age, it's not unreasonable to expect that a service list where it is in compliance with privacy laws in their privacy statement.
As far as Facebook users should be concerned, if the government of Canada thinks there are privacy violations, there are... at least until Facebook clears the matter up unequivocally and publicly. After all, how can I in good faith sign or accept a EULA if I cannot be sure your service is in compliance with the applicable laws? DING That is to say that EULAs are wrong from word one, but staying on point, if there is to be one, shouldn't the burden be on the provider to show what privacy laws they are in compliance with?
You beat me to the comment. I'm sort of surprised that the reaction so far has been the sound of crickets and loud yawning... meh
That comment makes more sense than any others I've read in this thread.... sigh
"and which border agents can have total confidence in"
Replace 'border agents' with any group you want... and what they have confidence in does not matter. Total confidence in anything other than yourself is foolish at best. Can anyone in the US say Federal Reserve? Yes, I know, humans were in the loop on that one, but so are they on this one. Anything sold as the be all and end all or something you can have total confidence in is not familiar with how crooked border agents work. sigh. There were some folk with total confidence in electronic voting machines.....
I will go along with this as long as every time it fails the government makes a mortgage payment for me.
Speaking of demographics, even though I think this article is bs, if I do get a refrigerator with a pc in the door, I want it to be this biOS kind. The one in my car would probably be quite handy if it was the biOS kind as well.
computer users, but when the network is down all bets are off. No matter how good the experience normally is, one lightning storm is all it will take to send johnny user off to computers are us to buy a full functioning pc.
Forget jailbreaking the iShit.... just don't buy one, problem solved. Ohhhh, you want to use the iWhateverStuff? Live with the DRM then, sucker!
Ahem, that is not a troll, but simply the facts of iLife stated rather bluntly. It is their store, and if they want to run off all their customers, that is their problem. If you're drinking the iCoolaid you need to not complain about the iDRM. Apple is not too big to fail, they just didn't drill so many holes in their life raft as some automakers did.
You are right, and the suspicion was piqued when the officer in question realized that the user was using command line interface rather than windows, which automatically makes them a hacker... apparently.
The business of allowing law enforcement and the judiciary to make judgment on another profession is ill-advised at the best of times. It's sort of like letting an English teacher decide what bills to enact as law. I'm not saying it will always fail, but the likelihood that it will fail is staggeringly high.
Those Iranians, Arabs, and Terrorists use P2P networks! Lets regulate or ban them. ZOMG, they use television too. Lets ban TV networks. Oh noes, they use cars and roads too... Well, walking is good for you. Damn, they use elections too. We don't want to be like 'them' so no more elections. How much more ignorant are reporters and politicians going to get?
Oh no, they use television to broadcast government propaganda. No more .... wait, they copied that from us, so that's ok.
I'm waiting for the first idiot legislator to suggest that foreign governments and terrorists are using Linux so it too must be banned.
Are you kidding? They lose interest based on who it's from long before any reading of text messages is required.... except for mobile twitterers. Nobody can explain that.
time out! How does making one cable run constitute reason for determining ROI on making cables based on cables per hour etc?
There are some of us who can whip out a standard 15ft Cat5 cable in about twice the time it takes to unwrap a commercially purchased cable. If you need custom sized cables, it's far easier and cheaper except for very small number of situations. If you have one cable run to do and the parts available, it makes no sense to go buy one. It's not like you're going to run out and get a 39 meter Cat6 cable at lunch time in the Mall.
Now, if you need 50 of them? perhaps a different story, but same story goes when you need 5000 of them. Savings get bigger with bulk. In this case, it was for a single cable. My suspicion is that his boss has never actually seen a well made cable created in front of his eyes. Remember grasshopper, all great Samurai swords were made by hand, not a machine with expensive dies.
Whatever happened to quality custom workmanship? It's almost as if people expect that it can't be done anymore? WTF?
There is a difference. Imagine all that you said, but replace Taser with Mercedes. The virtual world part cannot be ignored. What LL is doing is 'selling' something that when combined with the virtual world has the ability to look like someone's product. LL did not create this 'something' nor do they promote it any differently than they promote any other products being virtually sold to virtual people in a virtual world.
The DMCA (w/s)ould apply.
BTW, I can create something that is modeled on anyone's product and sell it. I believe that a great number of artists have done this in the past. There are a great number of watches that you can buy which are recreations of some other watch or are modeled on other watches. This list of things goes on and on. Being modeled after something means nothing. Being an exact replica and being marketed as the copied object... that means something.
In SL there are replicas of a great many things. Should they all be illegal?
Now, if Taser wants to apply the DMCA and start selling their own products in SL the original devices can be renamed "The Shocker" which I'm sure will sell just as well.
I don't think Taser has much, if any, legal grounds here. Regarding the SL market? They have nothing but FAIL. There are a lot of folk on SL that are similar to /b/. Chances of Taser getting anything good out of this now? Zero.
If they are not already in contact with him about this, they probably don't deserve to see any profit from it. This is the first thing I thought of since the stories are right next to each other.
I'm also interested to know if they can improve this to work even when people can't see the keyboard etc.
Owning a portfolio of Senators, Federal Judges, and misc. Whitehouse staffers is not "paid up" in any sense of the words, unless of course you'd like to say that the Democrats or Republican are 'paid up' on their contributions. They say the only good way to rob a bank is to own one. It looks as though this is part of the **AA's new business model - buy the bank, then steal it blind rather than just rob the customers as they come in to deposit their paychecks.
By owning a large enough part of the Federal government, the **AA is able to convince the rest of government that they need international copyright trade agreements that are sealed due to national security. If there really were something we could call the "mark of the beast" I'm willing to bet that it has the **AA members logos displayed aesthetically beneath it.
I'm of a mind to say that even if this girl did share audio files, there is no morality system in the world that is recognized under any name other than evil that justifies how the **AA are treating their own customers, grandkids, mothers, grandparents etc. To paraphrase Mr Gump, "fucking assholes do as fucking assholes do" and no amount of apologetizing will get them a reputation better than that of pond scum.
I'm going to assume that you do understand the irony of posting what you did as AC.
Just exactly who is going to decide what "... a compelling state interest" is?
Let me guess? The same people that will charge you with treason or terrorism?
Yes, I think anonymous speech should be protected... until it become defamation or slander. Both are pretty difficult slopes to tread when the figure being defamed or slandered is a public figure. On another note, a political figure is both public and a part of the government. They have even less right to any privacy regarding their lives than probably anyone else. Despite the allure of any resulting tapes, Pamela Anderson has a right to expect privacy... no matter who she is fucking. A political leader... not so much.
How in the name of the FSM did you get modded as troll? Damnation, you made sense... oh wait
We will all probably not know for sure. Simply blaming it on a deity is not an answer, so even those who believe in creationism will not know for sure. IMO, not even after they die, but we'll never know about that one either.
I do not have to know how the universe came into existence to believe that evolution is true, and is the foundation of all life on this planet.
BING BING BING -- we have a winner. The wording was changed just enough to stop argument and allow further plundering of science education by those who 'claim' to meet the criteria for course material via 'scientific evidence'....
I live in Texas and I have to tell you that the news that makes national and world headlines from this state is never good... outside that one press release on the invention of breast augmentation. When it comes to science and the law, most people here are not really in the slot of sharp knives in the flatware drawer.
Think about it clearly: the simple fact that this is an ongoing news-making argument means that they just don't get it and will have left a back door for ID and creationism to creep it's way into school curriculum, either directly or through the school's 'emphasis' on what is said in class.
I can tell you that I'm fully frustrated that this is even being discussed. Religion belongs in some other class, not science class. The bible is not evidence. If it was then clips like this would be banned, and not as funny as this really is.
The whole argument about creation in the science class is disgusting. Disgusting as anything I can think of. Fscking morons.
Did you see the episode where they were clearing cured cement from a cement truck? They had no idea what the explosion would do but stood back curiously far when it exploded. Turns out it was a good thing. 500lbs of explosion just has one predictor model: fucking big boom... and subsequent mess. Explosions like the OKC bomb didn't rip things up a mile away. It seems likely that the pressure of the blast may have been affected by weather or something to keep it traveling fast at ground level, which would have been unpredictable by all but the most learned of explosive experts.
AFAIK, technically speaking, time as we understand it would also end with the Universe.
Yes, but we are changing history ... this particular instance of 42 will help us to build a gravity wave detector which will further be used to detect the Galactic superhighway construction, allowing us to register a complaint about government confiscation of space it has no right to. At long last all the training will pay off and Earth's lawyers will then have something useful to do. Ambulance chasers will become the heroes they always thought themselves to be, and history will forever reward them.... except for *AA lawyers who will be scorned by both humans and all other Galactic citizens right up to the end of time... if you're fortunate enough to have reservations to see it.
Apparently this is what the inside of a layer of ash looks like at this time of morning.
Global cooling on its way?
Not only did they miss a few, but the simple part of this is that those tech companies really don't go in big for telecommuting/teleworking. The one group of companies that would most be able to use it... oops!