"... the Windows world [is] a cold, unforgiving place where nothing is sacred, users turn like rabid wolves on any company that makes even the smallest error, and no prisoners are taken. Especially the Windows browser market."
right . the windows browser market is such a meritocracy untouched by the hand of the monopolist that firefox's market share was able to rise to 78% versus internet explorer's 15% . oh , wait - it's the other way around...
sheesh... i say if apple wants to have a go at it , great . if safari/win flops , they might learn something and try again . if it succeeds , then microsoft and mozilla might learn something from the experience . what i don't see is the part where the consumer loses . choice is good , remember ?
one more item need to show up in that list : the cost of developing macsox and the ilife suite is fixed , as is the cost of designing chipsets and other hardware R&D . so - the greater the sales volumes , the smaller the costs per unit . (apple spends over half a billion in R&D each year) .
that's to say - the smaller apple's market share , the more expensive the units will be . SO... if you PC folks stop whining and start buying macs soon , prices will come down substantially by the time you're ready to get your second mac . how's that for a plan ?
i'm not a gamer , i never have been , and frankly i could care less about games . having said that , i understand your point full well .
that's why i think what apple should do (steve - are you listening?) is take WINE and push it to the point where windows games play well on it , integrate it transparently into macosx86 , and release it with the first x86 mac . it's the single move that would most enhance the mac's chances at greatly increasing market share . i bet we could have 10% in the US by the end of the decade .
on the other hand , i'd be reluctant to push for full win32 api compatibility , as that would only encourage developers to drop native osx app development... and kill the platform .
Those all lower case perfect spellers drive me to a rage.
at work EVERYTHING I DO IS ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME . is it any surprise that on my time off i choose to type all lowercase ? it doesn't affect the meaning and it takes up less space . why Make some Word special at the Expense of Others ?
keep in mind that it's not the PC hardware that falls pray to the 50,000 or so items of malware out there - it's the software . the OS matters . the hardware matters . the little details matter : the choice of materials , the proportions , the fit and finish of the machine - it's all part of the product.
the thing about apple is that they design the whole thing , and the product is often more than the sum of its parts . a $129 airport express is packaged with more love and attention to detail than a the fanciest dell or gateway workstation - you don't take over the world making nice things ( ie: 95% of construction in the US does not involve an architect - can you tell? )
the mac mini is the least expensive way to get a mac (that is , mac os) - if that's what you want to do . if what you want is a tiny PC , get an OQO .
Note that this isn't particularly hard to do when you're the first (and only) seller with a product in that "class"
but isn't that the definition of innovation , being a step ahead of the competition ? what is holding the rest back ? apple already fired the first shot 4 1/2 years ago with the cube . they have managed to shrink its volume by 80% in the meantime .
the mini didn't materialize out of thin air . the shuttle PCs are still catching up (in terms of volume and design) to the cube . if that is an indicator , 4 years from now they still won't have a mini equivalent , volume-wise .
but this is all really stupid , i think . the windoze guys belittle the mac guys , who wonder about the linux guys , who pity the BSD and BeOS 'could-have-beens' .
i mean -really- this is all stupid . i've worked with most of them for some time , and the only reason i don't have LinuxPPC on my g3 anymore is because i could't figure out how to get PPP to work and i needed the drive space , so i'm posting this from my Be box .
but still , i'm a mac type of guy who really really really admires and respects what the linux community is doing - so why can't the linux community respect what Be is doing ? for chrissakes - i'm the mac guy here , i'm the one who is supposed to be stupid as far as these things go . (as for the windoze guys , well , it's like that NIN song - happiness in slavery) . but i'd really like to think that users of alternate OSs would be above that sort of conduct ! we should be in a good position to appreciate anything that is made with love , no ? and BeOS , like Linux , is a labour of love , and it shows
but this is all really stupid , i think . the windoze guys belittle the mac guys , who wonder about the linux guys , who pity the BSD and BeOS 'could-have-beens' .
i mean -really- this is all stupid . i've worked with most of them for some time , and the only reason i don't have LinuxPPC on my g3 anymore is because i could't figure out how to get PPP to work and i needed the drive space , so i'm posting this from my Be box .
but still , i'm a mac type of guy who really really really admires and respects what the linux community is doing - so why can't the linux community respect what Be is doing ? for chrissakes - i'm the mac guy here , i'm the one who is supposed to be stupid as far as these things go . (as for the windoze guys , well , it's like that NIN song - happiness in slavery) . but i'd really like to think that users of alternate OSs would be above that sort of conduct ! we should be in a good position to appreciate anything that is made with love , no ? and BeOS , like Linux , is a labour of love , and it shows .
you don't have to love apple . but the way they're going , they may earn your respect . not only did this lazarus rise from the dead - but it's throwing a bitchen party , too .
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you gotta admit , though , that the type of discussion generated by apple news is a far cry from those generated by MS statements , announcements , and practices . in a nutshell - quit yer whining !
do you suppose they could make some of the gui open source and get it on a red hat distro ? that would never happen , realistically , but then again , i never saw darwin coming - and i run mklinux on my g3 .
of course , there's nothing stopping them from selling the mac os x gui - the workspace manager - as a linux gui , and sell it as 'linux for the rest of us' . would anyone out there pay $50 or so for a kick-ass gui ?
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"... the Windows world [is] a cold, unforgiving place where nothing is sacred, users turn like rabid wolves on any company that makes even the smallest error, and no prisoners are taken. Especially the Windows browser market."
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... i say if apple wants to have a go at it , great . if safari/win flops , they might learn something and try again . if it succeeds , then microsoft and mozilla might learn something from the experience . what i don't see is the part where the consumer loses . choice is good , remember ?
right . the windows browser market is such a meritocracy untouched by the hand of the monopolist that firefox's market share was able to rise to 78% versus internet explorer's 15% . oh , wait - it's the other way around
sheesh
one more item need to show up in that list : the cost of developing macsox and the ilife suite is fixed , as is the cost of designing chipsets and other hardware R&D . so - the greater the sales volumes , the smaller the costs per unit . (apple spends over half a billion in R&D each year) .
... if you PC folks stop whining and start buying macs soon , prices will come down substantially by the time you're ready to get your second mac . how's that for a plan ?
that's to say - the smaller apple's market share , the more expensive the units will be . SO
i'm not a gamer , i never have been , and frankly i could care less about games . having said that , i understand your point full well .
... and kill the platform .
that's why i think what apple should do (steve - are you listening?) is take WINE and push it to the point where windows games play well on it , integrate it transparently into macosx86 , and release it with the first x86 mac . it's the single move that would most enhance the mac's chances at greatly increasing market share . i bet we could have 10% in the US by the end of the decade .
on the other hand , i'd be reluctant to push for full win32 api compatibility , as that would only encourage developers to drop native osx app development
at work EVERYTHING I DO IS ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME . is it any surprise that on my time off i choose to type all lowercase ? it doesn't affect the meaning and it takes up less space . why Make some Word special at the Expense of Others ?
why not get a console ? cheaper than a PC , yet still better looking
keep in mind that it's not the PC hardware that falls pray to the 50,000 or so items of malware out there - it's the software . the OS matters . the hardware matters . the little details matter : the choice of materials , the proportions , the fit and finish of the machine - it's all part of the product .
the thing about apple is that they design the whole thing , and the product is often more than the sum of its parts . a $129 airport express is packaged with more love and attention to detail than a the fanciest dell or gateway workstation - you don't take over the world making nice things ( ie: 95% of construction in the US does not involve an architect - can you tell? )
the mac mini is the least expensive way to get a mac (that is , mac os) - if that's what you want to do . if what you want is a tiny PC , get an OQO .
but isn't that the definition of innovation , being a step ahead of the competition ? what is holding the rest back ? apple already fired the first shot 4 1/2 years ago with the cube . they have managed to shrink its volume by 80% in the meantime .
the mini didn't materialize out of thin air . the shuttle PCs are still catching up (in terms of volume and design) to the cube . if that is an indicator , 4 years from now they still won't have a mini equivalent , volume-wise .
you should be able to dual-boot with yellow dog linux , hopefully in a couple of months . just do it .
that's certainly a good quote for a sig !
but this is all really stupid , i think . the windoze guys belittle the mac guys , who wonder about the linux guys
, who pity the BSD and BeOS 'could-have-beens' .
i mean -really- this is all stupid . i've worked with most of them for some time , and the only reason i don't have
LinuxPPC on my g3 anymore is because i could't figure out how to get PPP to work and i needed the drive space , so
i'm posting this from my Be box .
but still , i'm a mac type of guy who really really really admires and respects what the linux community is doing -
so why can't the linux community respect what Be is doing ? for chrissakes - i'm the mac guy here , i'm the one who
is supposed to be stupid as far as these things go . (as for the windoze guys , well , it's like that NIN song -
happiness in slavery) . but i'd really like to think that users of alternate OSs would be above that sort of
conduct ! we should be in a good position to appreciate anything that is made with love , no ? and BeOS , like
Linux , is a labour of love , and it shows
that's certainly a good quote for a sig !
but this is all really stupid , i think . the windoze guys belittle the mac guys , who wonder about the linux guys , who pity the BSD and BeOS 'could-have-beens' .
i mean -really- this is all stupid . i've worked with most of them for some time , and the only reason i don't have LinuxPPC on my g3 anymore is because i could't figure out how to get PPP to work and i needed the drive space , so i'm posting this from my Be box .
but still , i'm a mac type of guy who really really really admires and respects what the linux community is doing - so why can't the linux community respect what Be is doing ? for chrissakes - i'm the mac guy here , i'm the one who is supposed to be stupid as far as these things go . (as for the windoze guys , well , it's like that NIN song - happiness in slavery) . but i'd really like to think that users of alternate OSs would be above that sort of conduct ! we should be in a good position to appreciate anything that is made with love , no ? and BeOS , like Linux , is a labour of love , and it shows .
you don't have to love apple . but the way they're going , they may earn your respect .
not only did this lazarus rise from the dead - but it's throwing a bitchen party , too .
you gotta admit , though , that the type of discussion generated by apple news is a far cry from those generated by MS statements , announcements , and practices .
in a nutshell - quit yer whining !
do you suppose they could make some of the gui open source and get it on a red hat distro ?
that would never happen , realistically , but then again , i never saw darwin coming - and i run mklinux on my g3 .
of course , there's nothing stopping them from selling the mac os x gui - the workspace manager - as a linux gui , and sell it as 'linux for the rest of us' .
would anyone out there pay $50 or so for a kick-ass gui ?