How do mod points constitute winning? I win when women stop being treated like pieces of meat by the gaming industry. And that won't be any time soon.
I specified women, because the article was about women, not men. Show me an article about the way men are mistreated and used and ignored by the gaming industry...and oh. Wait. There aren't any, are there. Because it doesn't happen.
We at The NIN Hotline are running a competition that is open to all and everyone (and to win prizes too! OH MY GOSH!). We're closely affiliated with nin.com, so basically we're just saving them time and effort by taking it off their hands.:)
Trent's been endorsing Mac products for a good 8+ years now. It's nothing new to the hardcore fans that are most likely to be influenced by his product endorsements. However, if this influences other artists to do the same...well, that's another story.
I can tell you that you're absolutely correct. I'm reasonably prominent on the NIN fan base scene (I help out at The NIN Hotline) and it took about an hour before folks had ripped it to uncompressed.wav format so that even the least able members of the NINternet (yes I know how lame that word is) could make their first attempts at remixing a song.
There are thousands of people burning up the chatwaves right now about this. Professional musicians to 17 year old kids are interested. People who are involved in sound technology certainly doesn't have any kind of majority when it comes to Nine Inch Nails and their fan base - it's a complete myth. Same goes for the goths. There aren't as many as people think.
...it's the gaming company's/store's response to the stereotypes that the media create that needs to change.
I don't care if the media ignores me. Big deal, I don't buy many gaming magazines anyway. I don't feel the need to read every article online either. And advertisements? Well if they aren't aimed at me, then that's one less thing for me to pay attention to.
What annoys me, is the idea that because I'm a girl, I don't know anything or have any worth as a consumer. I couldn't possibly want to talk about Linux distros, I couldn't possibly want to buy a console, I couldn't possibly want to discuss the pro's and con's of the latest release. And every time I walk into a specific gaming/computing store, I immediately have a store assistant shoved up my backside, because I must need help. Stop it! If I need help, I'll ask for it! Likewise, with the gaming companies. Is it so hard to make realistic strong female characters who don't need saving, and are at least on an equal level to the male characters? Who exactly would that scare away if you did that?
So sorry, I don't really care what people think of me...as long as someone thinks of me.
"I mentioned games like the britney one and karaoake/dance games because these are games that seem to be entirely directed at women.
The Britney game is targeted at her fans, not at women in general. Those kinds of games are bundled with consoles, and generally don't make a great impact on the gaming world as a whole. Just because they package the game for a sickly sweet vagina world, it doesn't mean to say that we're going to be buying it.
Your right, the sims is a good example of a game that a women might buy for herself instead of for a man in her life, and although I don't much care for it myself, it is critically praised (unlike leisure suit larry, etc.)."
Oh, so you'll recognise that we have purchasing ability, but you can't quite admit that we have the fortitude to pick up anything serious? Pft.
The rest of your post is completely anecdotal, your a woman and you buy games, this doesn't change the fact that the majority of game purchases are by men (or male driven, mothers buying a game for her son for example).
You're ignoring my point. You said that we only play games when it's defined by a male (ie : research, networks and purchasing power). I was giving you a very real example that proved otherwise.
Yes, there aren't many female gamers. We all know that. But don't sit there and act like we're this submissive gender who have no ability to involve ourselves in gaming culture without the help of the nearest walking penis.
I'm just waiting for the Legend of Zelda release where Princess Zelda goes out and kicks some butt. One day Nintendo...one day...
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"When you look at the women's trashy magazines, they have pretty girls on them (occasionally men). You know, the ones that tell you how to make your butt smaller, charge your cell phone, run a fortune 500 company, and get that cute guy, all before lunch?"
And that's something about society and demographics that needs to change too. No one said that that was right.
"To which I have to say "Do you see any short bald dudes with a big pot belly on any of these boxes either? No, it's all he-man looking dudes busting at the seams with muscles"."
And that is how you know you have gay men working in the gaming industry. No woman I know (including myself) finds that attractive.
I beg to differ about women being a large market, they are actually a very small market. Lots of women play videogames but how many actually buy them ?. Most women who play videogames only do so because they have access to them through a male in their life (boyfriend, brother, father). How many of these would actually be willing to plonk down the money required for a console and buy games regularly ?
Next you'll be saying we don't know how to code, and we're merely vessels for the opposite gender to dump sperm in.
I own an original Gameboy, a SNES, an N64, a PS-One, a Gamecube and a GBA SP. I'm a Nintendo fan. I bought every one of those consoles myself. There might not be many girl gamers out there, but we're certainly not dependant on the male population to provide us with our games.
I do think that girls are getting more into games though, witness britney's dance game and the karaoke games.
Oh please. Because we don't play Final Fantasy, or hold 50% of the market for The Sims. We don't know how to play FPS, or RPG's, and god forbid, we couldn't possibly understand MMORPG's. But hell, you're a Slashdot poster. You probably don't even know what a girl looks like.
It's not necessarily the size of the breasts that bother me. I have large breasts (and shock horror! I'm blonde!), and I don't consider myself particularly empty-headed.
What bother me, is the lack of proportion between the breasts and the hips. If my hips were a size 0 with the chest that I have now, I'd fall over!
Small breasts, large breast. I don't care. Just make the bodies a little more real.
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Further to that, do you see the internet growing towards your original ideal of communication, or apart from it? Do you think that your conceptions of the Metaverse are more or less accurate than you originally thought? Are you planning on returning to explore this culture, now that it is so widespread and becoming entrenched in everyday life - especially with Microsoft's popularity depleting so rapidly - or have you washed your hands with technology for now, and plan to stick with the historical aspects of your plots? What do you think of the growing subculture of non-geek people who are connected and interacting with vast streams of information for 8-10 hours a day?
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How do mod points constitute winning? I win when women stop being treated like pieces of meat by the gaming industry. And that won't be any time soon.
I specified women, because the article was about women, not men. Show me an article about the way men are mistreated and used and ignored by the gaming industry...and oh. Wait. There aren't any, are there. Because it doesn't happen.
...so they couldn't just hire women, could they? They have to divide us up into "dumb but hot" or "smart but ugly".
This is why I'll always have negative opinions about the gaming industry - it makes me feel completely worthless.
We at The NIN Hotline are running a competition that is open to all and everyone (and to win prizes too! OH MY GOSH!). We're closely affiliated with nin.com, so basically we're just saving them time and effort by taking it off their hands. :)
From what I know, there won't be a remix album. He's already queuing up (ie: actively writing) songs for the next record.
Trent's been endorsing Mac products for a good 8+ years now. It's nothing new to the hardcore fans that are most likely to be influenced by his product endorsements. However, if this influences other artists to do the same...well, that's another story.
I take offence at the term "fat". I prefer to think of us as "festively plump".
I can tell you that you're absolutely correct. I'm reasonably prominent on the NIN fan base scene (I help out at The NIN Hotline) and it took about an hour before folks had ripped it to uncompressed .wav format so that even the least able members of the NINternet (yes I know how lame that word is) could make their first attempts at remixing a song.
There are thousands of people burning up the chatwaves right now about this. Professional musicians to 17 year old kids are interested. People who are involved in sound technology certainly doesn't have any kind of majority when it comes to Nine Inch Nails and their fan base - it's a complete myth. Same goes for the goths. There aren't as many as people think.
...it's the gaming company's/store's response to the stereotypes that the media create that needs to change.
I don't care if the media ignores me. Big deal, I don't buy many gaming magazines anyway. I don't feel the need to read every article online either. And advertisements? Well if they aren't aimed at me, then that's one less thing for me to pay attention to.
What annoys me, is the idea that because I'm a girl, I don't know anything or have any worth as a consumer. I couldn't possibly want to talk about Linux distros, I couldn't possibly want to buy a console, I couldn't possibly want to discuss the pro's and con's of the latest release. And every time I walk into a specific gaming/computing store, I immediately have a store assistant shoved up my backside, because I must need help. Stop it! If I need help, I'll ask for it! Likewise, with the gaming companies. Is it so hard to make realistic strong female characters who don't need saving, and are at least on an equal level to the male characters? Who exactly would that scare away if you did that?So sorry, I don't really care what people think of me...as long as someone thinks of me.
...in other news, Bic announces all-time high profits in sales of disposable razors...
Why no boobie pictures? Because I don't want to get slashdotted. Obviously.
"I mentioned games like the britney one and karaoake/dance games because these are games that seem to be entirely directed at women.
The Britney game is targeted at her fans, not at women in general. Those kinds of games are bundled with consoles, and generally don't make a great impact on the gaming world as a whole. Just because they package the game for a sickly sweet vagina world, it doesn't mean to say that we're going to be buying it.Your right, the sims is a good example of a game that a women might buy for herself instead of for a man in her life, and although I don't much care for it myself, it is critically praised (unlike leisure suit larry, etc.)."
Oh, so you'll recognise that we have purchasing ability, but you can't quite admit that we have the fortitude to pick up anything serious? Pft.The rest of your post is completely anecdotal, your a woman and you buy games, this doesn't change the fact that the majority of game purchases are by men (or male driven, mothers buying a game for her son for example).
You're ignoring my point. You said that we only play games when it's defined by a male (ie : research, networks and purchasing power). I was giving you a very real example that proved otherwise.
Yes, there aren't many female gamers. We all know that. But don't sit there and act like we're this submissive gender who have no ability to involve ourselves in gaming culture without the help of the nearest walking penis.
I'm just waiting for the Legend of Zelda release where Princess Zelda goes out and kicks some butt. One day Nintendo...one day...
"When you look at the women's trashy magazines, they have pretty girls on them (occasionally men). You know, the ones that tell you how to make your butt smaller, charge your cell phone, run a fortune 500 company, and get that cute guy, all before lunch?"
And that's something about society and demographics that needs to change too. No one said that that was right."To which I have to say "Do you see any short bald dudes with a big pot belly on any of these boxes either? No, it's all he-man looking dudes busting at the seams with muscles"."
And that is how you know you have gay men working in the gaming industry. No woman I know (including myself) finds that attractive.I beg to differ about women being a large market, they are actually a very small market. Lots of women play videogames but how many actually buy them ?. Most women who play videogames only do so because they have access to them through a male in their life (boyfriend, brother, father). How many of these would actually be willing to plonk down the money required for a console and buy games regularly ?
Next you'll be saying we don't know how to code, and we're merely vessels for the opposite gender to dump sperm in. I own an original Gameboy, a SNES, an N64, a PS-One, a Gamecube and a GBA SP. I'm a Nintendo fan. I bought every one of those consoles myself. There might not be many girl gamers out there, but we're certainly not dependant on the male population to provide us with our games.I do think that girls are getting more into games though, witness britney's dance game and the karaoke games.
Oh please. Because we don't play Final Fantasy, or hold 50% of the market for The Sims. We don't know how to play FPS, or RPG's, and god forbid, we couldn't possibly understand MMORPG's. But hell, you're a Slashdot poster. You probably don't even know what a girl looks like.It's not necessarily the size of the breasts that bother me. I have large breasts (and shock horror! I'm blonde!), and I don't consider myself particularly empty-headed.
What bother me, is the lack of proportion between the breasts and the hips. If my hips were a size 0 with the chest that I have now, I'd fall over!
Small breasts, large breast. I don't care. Just make the bodies a little more real.
Further to that, do you see the internet growing towards your original ideal of communication, or apart from it? Do you think that your conceptions of the Metaverse are more or less accurate than you originally thought? Are you planning on returning to explore this culture, now that it is so widespread and becoming entrenched in everyday life - especially with Microsoft's popularity depleting so rapidly - or have you washed your hands with technology for now, and plan to stick with the historical aspects of your plots? What do you think of the growing subculture of non-geek people who are connected and interacting with vast streams of information for 8-10 hours a day?