Yeah, because a "default document" for a web server actually gives a 302 - moved return header, along with the default.asp filename. The browser then requests this document, so it involves an extra response/request cycle.
ditto. One more comment though. Our network guy told me (and I'm wondering if anyone else has input here) that a router has a MAC in a different range, so the cable company would "know" it was a router, so you are better off cloning your PC's MAC even if you can get an IP.
lacked the resources? You could whip this program up in VB in an afternoon, if it took that long. And that's only if you've never used the outlook libraries before and had to fire up MSDN.
Ah! I see from the userid you're kinda new here. That explains it. These guys (and most of the rabid, regular posters here) are like the "computer guy" skit on SNL: They'd be funny if they didn't really believe the idiocy they spew. They also really don't "get" the sarcasm directed their way daily.
but look at 2.4... it seems that's only if you MODIFY the runtimes (some of the mfc libraries you have source availble I think - IANACP -- I am not a C programmer). Right? I don't know. I'm thinking I will post this in an "ask slashdot". Seriously, I want to know.
sorry, when I read: Downloading the J2SE sdk and Tomcat is cheaper than buying Visual Studio.NET from a development standpoint., I thought you were comparing the J2SE sdk and Tomcat to Visual Studio.NET. silly me...
As for your second point, I guess I lose sight of the fact that having 2k pro or xp pro gets you IIS. I don't know anyone who does serious development work in Windows who doesn't use one of those 2 desktop OS's, so I think this is a moot point.
I read this and thought, "no way this is true, sounds like Free Software FUD to me." The article below talks about CIFS (common internet File System, which is file sharing NOTHING to do with VS.NET).
So I pulled out my VS.net disk and looked at the Eula. Can someone explain how this prevents release of software under the GPL. A google search led to little information on the topic.
At first glance, section 3.1(b) looks suspicious, like it's saying you can't make required redistribution of the source code changes to your product a requirement of usage (a core part of the GPL, obviously), but a closer read shows that it is referring to the sample code in the SDK. In other words you can't take SDK samples, make a product from them and make that product GPL. It's basically a licensing restriction on the sample code in the SDK. Is that right? It seems like Microsoft is worried that the GPL will "infect" it thru the sample code, which is ridiculous, I know, but there ya go.
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J2SE sdk and Tomcat != Visual Studio.NET. It's more like they are equivalent to the.NET runtime and SDK (which can also be downloaded for free).
VS.NET is a full IDE, etc.
Hey, you know what? I have plenty of money. I just don't have a TV. I choose not to own one.
I do have a computer. If someone sold a CD of ROM's and an SNES emulator like I have for $50, I'd buy it. But no one does. I guess technically, I could go buy the four or five we actually play used and I would be legal... but the publishers/writers of those games wouldn't see a dime out of that transaction. Oh wait, I could buy them new... but they don't sell them. You know what? I'm not gonna stay up nites worrying about the fact that I am "stealing" from the publishers/writers of those games when, in fact, there is no possible way to purchase those games in a way that would compensate them. If that's not abandonware, I don't know what the hell is.
Hey, c'mon there is a difference between abandonware and pirating the latest copy of GTA or whatever. Where, exactly, can I BUY a copy of SNES roms? Don't tell me to buy a console. I don't game on a TV. We don't have one.
Well, for comparison, my son is 8 and he gets 30mins of computer game time a day, 1 hour on weekends. Of these, I encourage him to play games with some thinking/strategy like Incredible Machine or Ages of Empires II. No shoot 'em ups (I think the graphics/violence in AOEII is pretty tame.)
His favorite games are the SNES9x simulator and a cD of rom's. I have fun with these to (the classic Mario games, etc). and they are cheap!
well, the equiavalent would be Windows Group Policy. Much of the thing people use VNC for or physically going around to windows machines can be automated (like patch installs, etc). Hell, Windows Group Policy can change the default word template to a new letterhead for the company on everbody's machine (I've seen it done).
we had a similar experience with outsourcing some web work to India -- we didn't take them up on it. It was a real eye opener, so we had them look at our product (which included a web application component) for security and they found several BIG holes that had made it through our "security" audit.
hah... we have a bunch of graphic artists at our main company's office (they do mostly multimedia training stuff. pretty good stuff). Anyway, they all have dual flats (or most do, some have one old monitor), that when the big boss came visiting our cubes at the gov't (where we contract), he said " why do these guys only have one monitor? They make all the money for us? Get 'em another one." Actually, he didn't SAY the part about the money, but I think that was his implicit message.
It is pretty sweet. My eyes aren't so great, and with more desktop real estate for the palletes and stuff, you can actually run each at a decent resolution and still have some screen real estate to code. They are 18" viewable and I run 'em at 1024 by 768.
I thought the same thing, until I got my second flat panel at work. If you use an IDE, all your pallet's, toolbars, form design area, etc goes there and your second monitor is a bare window, just code. Even if you don't do IDE's, you can run the program in one window while stepping thru code/watching debug output in another... it's pretty sweet.
um, I think many would argue that many open source projects sacrifice FAST. Time to market is slow, because most developers are working part time, and they emphasize GOOD (quality) independent of time to market. Linus, for instance rarely sets release dates in advance, from what I read, for the kernel. Just says "when it is ready". Such a luxury does not exist in the commercial world.
i do have something impotant enough to not qui my job on priciple -- a family. i will work with the shitiest software in the worst situation to put food on the table for my family of four. forgive the lack of capitals, but i'm holding my 6 month old dayughter whgile she sleeps!
oh, come on. That's just a ridiculous argument. where I live, unless you know someone and a job is filled instantly, it is advertised. I wouldn't jump at the opportunity to admin or program for Linux servers, because of the twenty or so programmers I know, only one has any linux experience. Conversely, when Microsoft has a tech event here in Oklahoma City, hundreds of folks show up.
Your statement about "no one wants..." is just ridiculous. Folks go where the money is. Hell, the big money is in Oracle right now or SQL Server, at least in this market, so that's what people want to learn. You don't get much more closed source than Oracle or Microsoft.
I guess that's the point I'm making here. Linux/open Source has not penetrated to the job market I live/work in. It's just not here to any extent.
And yeah, If I was an electronics tech. in 1982, I wouldn't have learned computers either. Not a significant programming job market until much later (not that there weren't programmers, but I'd wager that was a smaller job market than electronics tech, for sure). Similiarly, I'm not saying that Linux won't be a big, big piece of the job market here in 3-4 years. It may be, but you know what? All the other stuff I use now will be obsolete as well, and I'll pick up Linux skills if it is a big deal. Hell, I've got a redhat partition now on a box, I just don't use it very often.
um,,, I don't know of anyone who makes money coding for Linux. Nor can I find, any jobs in my area listing Linux as a qualificationrelevant monster search here.
I keep saying, I'll learn Linux as soon as I see a significant market for it.
no. passport was out before.NET. BUT, Microsoft is promoting Passport along with/as part of.NET now (I think IIRC, they call it the.NET passport).
It's all part of the confusion caused by the fact that.NET means about 50,000 different things. In this case, we are talking about the.NET Common Language Runtime, not the.NET - everything is about web services man, and you gotta have a Passport so we can centralize all your data about you -- I mean, so you can access all these neat web services!
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah, because a "default document" for a web server actually gives a 302 - moved return header, along with the default.asp filename. The browser then requests this document, so it involves an extra response/request cycle.
no mod points today, but -1 Troll
ditto. One more comment though. Our network guy told me (and I'm wondering if anyone else has input here) that a router has a MAC in a different range, so the cable company would "know" it was a router, so you are better off cloning your PC's MAC even if you can get an IP.
lacked the resources? You could whip this program up in VB in an afternoon, if it took that long. And that's only if you've never used the outlook libraries before and had to fire up MSDN.
Ah! I see from the userid you're kinda new here. That explains it. These guys (and most of the rabid, regular posters here) are like the "computer guy" skit on SNL: They'd be funny if they didn't really believe the idiocy they spew. They also really don't "get" the sarcasm directed their way daily.
but look at 2.4... it seems that's only if you MODIFY the runtimes (some of the mfc libraries you have source availble I think - IANACP -- I am not a C programmer). Right? I don't know. I'm thinking I will post this in an "ask slashdot". Seriously, I want to know.
sorry, when I read : .NET from a development standpoint., I thought you were comparing the J2SE sdk and Tomcat to Visual Studio .NET. silly me...
Downloading the J2SE sdk and Tomcat is cheaper than buying Visual Studio
As for your second point, I guess I lose sight of the fact that having 2k pro or xp pro gets you IIS. I don't know anyone who does serious development work in Windows who doesn't use one of those 2 desktop OS's, so I think this is a moot point.
I read this and thought, "no way this is true, sounds like Free Software FUD to me." The article below talks about CIFS (common internet File System, which is file sharing NOTHING to do with VS.NET).
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So I pulled out my VS.net disk and looked at the Eula. Can someone explain how this prevents release of software under the GPL. A google search led to little information on the topic.
At first glance, section 3.1(b) looks suspicious, like it's saying you can't make required redistribution of the source code changes to your product a requirement of usage (a core part of the GPL, obviously), but a closer read shows that it is referring to the sample code in the SDK. In other words you can't take SDK samples, make a product from them and make that product GPL. It's basically a licensing restriction on the sample code in the SDK. Is that right? It seems like Microsoft is worried that the GPL will "infect" it thru the sample code, which is ridiculous, I know, but there ya go.
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J2SE sdk and Tomcat != Visual Studio .NET. It's more like they are equivalent to the .NET runtime and SDK (which can also be downloaded for free).
VS.NET is a full IDE, etc.
amen. I made the same comment above. Like I said, I don't loose any sleep...
Hey, you know what? I have plenty of money. I just don't have a TV. I choose not to own one.
I do have a computer. If someone sold a CD of ROM's and an SNES emulator like I have for $50, I'd buy it. But no one does. I guess technically, I could go buy the four or five we actually play used and I would be legal... but the publishers/writers of those games wouldn't see a dime out of that transaction. Oh wait, I could buy them new... but they don't sell them. You know what? I'm not gonna stay up nites worrying about the fact that I am "stealing" from the publishers/writers of those games when, in fact, there is no possible way to purchase those games in a way that would compensate them. If that's not abandonware, I don't know what the hell is.
Hey, c'mon there is a difference between abandonware and pirating the latest copy of GTA or whatever. Where, exactly, can I BUY a copy of SNES roms? Don't tell me to buy a console. I don't game on a TV. We don't have one.
Well, for comparison, my son is 8 and he gets 30mins of computer game time a day, 1 hour on weekends. Of these, I encourage him to play games with some thinking/strategy like Incredible Machine or Ages of Empires II. No shoot 'em ups (I think the graphics/violence in AOEII is pretty tame.)
His favorite games are the SNES9x simulator and a cD of rom's. I have fun with these to (the classic Mario games, etc). and they are cheap!
well, the equiavalent would be Windows Group Policy. Much of the thing people use VNC for or physically going around to windows machines can be automated (like patch installs, etc). Hell, Windows Group Policy can change the default word template to a new letterhead for the company on everbody's machine (I've seen it done).
we had a similar experience with outsourcing some web work to India -- we didn't take them up on it. It was a real eye opener, so we had them look at our product (which included a web application component) for security and they found several BIG holes that had made it through our "security" audit.
hah... we have a bunch of graphic artists at our main company's office (they do mostly multimedia training stuff. pretty good stuff). Anyway, they all have dual flats (or most do, some have one old monitor), that when the big boss came visiting our cubes at the gov't (where we contract), he said " why do these guys only have one monitor? They make all the money for us? Get 'em another one." Actually, he didn't SAY the part about the money, but I think that was his implicit message.
It is pretty sweet. My eyes aren't so great, and with more desktop real estate for the palletes and stuff, you can actually run each at a decent resolution and still have some screen real estate to code. They are 18" viewable and I run 'em at 1024 by 768.
I thought the same thing, until I got my second flat panel at work. If you use an IDE, all your pallet's, toolbars, form design area, etc goes there and your second monitor is a bare window, just code. Even if you don't do IDE's, you can run the program in one window while stepping thru code/watching debug output in another... it's pretty sweet.
um, I think many would argue that many open source projects sacrifice FAST. Time to market is slow, because most developers are working part time, and they emphasize GOOD (quality) independent of time to market. Linus, for instance rarely sets release dates in advance, from what I read, for the kernel. Just says "when it is ready". Such a luxury does not exist in the commercial world.
LOL!
That's classic. and so true.
i do have something impotant enough to not qui my job on priciple -- a family. i will work with the shitiest software in the worst situation to put food on the table for my family of four. forgive the lack of capitals, but i'm holding my 6 month old dayughter whgile she sleeps!
oh, come on. That's just a ridiculous argument. where I live, unless you know someone and a job is filled instantly, it is advertised. I wouldn't jump at the opportunity to admin or program for Linux servers, because of the twenty or so programmers I know, only one has any linux experience. Conversely, when Microsoft has a tech event here in Oklahoma City, hundreds of folks show up.
Your statement about "no one wants..." is just ridiculous. Folks go where the money is. Hell, the big money is in Oracle right now or SQL Server, at least in this market, so that's what people want to learn. You don't get much more closed source than Oracle or Microsoft.
I guess that's the point I'm making here. Linux/open Source has not penetrated to the job market I live/work in. It's just not here to any extent.
And yeah, If I was an electronics tech. in 1982, I wouldn't have learned computers either. Not a significant programming job market until much later (not that there weren't programmers, but I'd wager that was a smaller job market than electronics tech, for sure). Similiarly, I'm not saying that Linux won't be a big, big piece of the job market here in 3-4 years. It may be, but you know what? All the other stuff I use now will be obsolete as well, and I'll pick up Linux skills if it is a big deal. Hell, I've got a redhat partition now on a box, I just don't use it very often.
um,,, I don't know of anyone who makes money coding for Linux. Nor can I find, any jobs in my area listing Linux as a qualificationrelevant monster search here.
I keep saying, I'll learn Linux as soon as I see a significant market for it.
MS community is mainly on MSDN, Microsoft.public.* newsgroups, etc. There was an excellent post by a guy a while back listing the resources.
Amen, brother. That's why you do all of the above exchange in email. In writing. bcc'ing your personal home account. I bcc everything like the above.
Always CYA.
no. passport was out before .NET. BUT, Microsoft is promoting Passport along with/as part of .NET now (I think IIRC, they call it the .NET passport).
.NET means about 50,000 different things. In this case, we are talking about the .NET Common Language Runtime, not the .NET - everything is about web services man, and you gotta have a Passport so we can centralize all your data about you -- I mean, so you can access all these neat web services!
It's all part of the confusion caused by the fact that