Re:Some linux progs do make sense on palm
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You seem to assume "full size keyboard", which is not the case.
For the record, I have a GoType keyboard for my Palm III whenever I want to take notes in class (for reasons already discussed here) and yes it is rather sizable. Roughly the size of a WinCE H/PC, except I don't always have to take it along.:)
The point is, tho Graffitti is a rather nice system, I type far faster than I even write on paper with pen, so I like having a keyboard when I'm entering rather large amounts of information. I don't carry it around with me all the time, this would be a Stupid Thing To Do(tm) for the reasons you mention (too damn big:) ).
And besides, there's a company called Think Outside or somesuch that's about to start shipping a keyboard that folds up into a package not much larger than the Palm itself..... vixiewantbadohyes*drool*:)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
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We already have those. They're called "laptops".
PDAs are not laptops, they are PDAs. Stop trying to apply laptop/desktop "Add More MORE MORE" rules to the PDA market, it does not work. Ask the venturecapitalists and hardware/software manufacturers who dropped 1 billion US $$$ into that market with exactly that strategy if you doubt.
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Nearly everyone does that. Hell, even/. does that - since it's based on submissions by 'nerds', the probablity lies in the direction that said nerds are going to submit that which they like hearing.
Not that this is inevitable, but it sure looks like it:)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
" If I update Netscape on both, my RedHat-box does it in notime with a simple command:"rpm -Uvh nets*.rpm"."
Tell me another story about how that's "intuitive."
That's very very good for a commandline user who has been around rpm for a VERY long time. To anyone else, that's cryptic nonsense that is very scary, dangerous, and unknown.
If ya wanna steal a Windows market, and take down Microsoft, you have to make that along the lines of "Push the button" for the newbies, tell what that's supposed to mean for the intermediates, and explain the total end results of what that does for the advanced.
(And, of course, you have to keep in mind that Linux newbie is roughly equal to Windows intermediate. The vast majority of Windows users are "Newbie.")
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
I submit that your average teenage user is still using Windows and really really wishing Linux could catch up. Many folks are just damn sick of BSODs, so they look around, hear about this dream called "Linux", so they try it. And Linux fails them, utterly, because it is so damn far behind in "intermediate" usability. So they go and buy a Mac, play with it, decide they don't like it, switch back to Windows 'cause it's all they know, and putter on, all the while bitching about BSODs and why Linux sucks and will never go anywhere.
Please prove these folks wrong!
(Trust folks who are out of the loop, people. It'll really help your advancement.)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
It is true, Linux is not quite ready for the desktop. I talk with a lot of folks about this very thing all the time.
Linux is missing several critical things that keep it from being a viable desktop OS to the everyman/woman:
First of all, we need intuitive and easy interfaces for:
Network configuration;
Installing applications - must be fully configured with at least some sort of starter configuration, have icons placed in your Startmenu clone, et cetera (Graphical "wizards" for makefiles, RPMs and whatever-the-heck-Debian's-package-format-is-calle d packages would be an astounding leap forward here);
Updating your OS when new patches and fixes come out (Think along the lines of "Windows Update");
System administration (This is a must have, I will never use Linux at all until at least this is created);
New hardware configuration (Setting up your sound card, replacing your video, etc). This also has to be fairly pain-free - if replacing a video card, we need an autoselected new X server if possible, for example. (Perhaps we could all go out and buy a ton of video cards, create an "X Video Card Autosetup" database or something equally pithy:) ) - Windows's "Device Manager" is an excellent example of how to display this kind of information (it's Windows' best feature, IMHO);
Quick and Easy Interface Changes (Changing colors, button and text size, etc. Themeing does a decent job for this, tho, and so it may already be implemented);
Getting access to useful help. (HOWTOs are not useful to a newbie!), and
Pretty much every single Linux website out there, or at least links to websites that cater totally to newbies in more ways than just NHFs. (apologies to Linuxnewbie.org)
Please note that "Intuitive" is being defined as:
Graphical interface (duh...);
All available options clearly visible with instantly available explanations (Linuxnewbie.org's NHFs provide a good example of what kind of explanations should be initlally offered; use HOWTOs and man pages for LATER explanation, not initial) that can be found with the click of a button - it must be well documented, right there, or else it's unknown/useless/confusing/annoying;
Easily found - placed by default in a Startmenu clone, for example;
Show the most important options alone at first - have a "more options" selection available for most of the rest of us who don't need to be protected, and
Be easily administerred - that is, installable and uninstallable with a menu selection and a click, with intuitive (as defined in the points above) interfaces for handling configuration files.
Of utmost importance are the following:
Do not require any user to use a specific kind of interface - this is the primary mistake of both Linux and Windows (Linux requires you to use a command line too often, Windows requires you to use the GUI too often.);
Make sure every step is taken - In a lot of cases, some of these are already partly implemented (Red Hat and the distribs based off of it have a very nice network configuration tool, for example, and SuSE's YaST is very nice at system administration), but are missing key factors (YaST is missing some of the intuitiveness and explanations, RH's netconf (I think that's it) is nowhere to be found unless you browse thru a lot of helpfiles), and
BE RESPECTFUL TO THE NEWBIE! A lot of newbies (and I myself at times) get very sick and tired of being called "lusers", "Winbabies" and the like. Ya wanna do good, you need to stop being condesending.
Get all these elements mixed together, and Linux will be an unstoppable desktop workstation.
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
I prefer the KISS philosophy of "looking cheap, not being cheap, and costing as much" to the Apple philosophy of "looking pretty but costing a hell of a lot more"
If you want to use a work of art, write your notes on the back of the Mona Lisa for all I care. I'll be happily using a "cheap-looking" Visor Deluxe.
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Those of us with DSL, anything involving proxy severs, T1s (especially in colleges), et cetera, really DO want one, because then you can get connected without gettng a dialup account, or paying the really high expense that wireless is.
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
The datebook, which is the only "enhanced" app with a database to worry about, _is_ compatible, 'cause I've been using it!
how, do you ask? Simple, I say - it's a specially prepared and liscensed version of Pimlico Software's Datebk3 (check them out at http://www.gorilla-haven.org/pimlico). I recognized the feature list, emailed CESD (the guy who coded it) and got this:
HandSpring's "advanced" datebook application is a special version of DateBk3 that I prepared and licensed to them for use in their handheld organizers. It includes almost all of the functionality of DateBk3 omitting only some of the "fancier" features such as icons, categories, timezones and appts spanning midnight. It does feature a somewhat cleaner user interface and may also include some other things that I am not aware of -- i.e. they have their own development staff and may also have done some additional work on it themselves - I'm waiting to pick up my unit too...
(I feel proud - between when I emailed him and when I got a response, he put a note to this effect on the Pimlico page. I contributed to something totally ineffectual but slightly interesting to me! Go me:) )
The only thing I'm curious about is if Handspring modified the Palm Desktop app as well to match up with the new features. If so, I grab _instantly_.:)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Only problem is, not _everyone's_ that way. I know a lot of very nice folks who happen to be both understanding and Christian. Heck, there's a few who actually know what I'm talking about and laugh when I talk about testing computers for Year 5760 compliance. (Which is coming VERY SOON, are YOU ready?:) )
(You may now ignore my feeble attempt to bring this particular thread back onto the topic:) )
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Me and a friend of mine tried it under Linux, and again under Windows. The Windows version could run circles around the Linux version, stop to take a breath, have lunch, then leisurely walk to a finish line, and STILL leave the Linux version in the dust. It was that bad.
CivCTP, IMHO, is a neat way of saying "Yes, it is very possible right now to make games for Linux, but ultimately Linux still sucks as a gaming platform."
(Disclaimer: This is from the endluser perspective, please don't flame me for being technicially innacurate because I don't know the technical details:) )
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Well, I have done some playing around with PalmOS programming, but never actually completed anything (just a few "Hello World" Deluxe Editions:) )... I'm not that much of a coder.:)
And in any case I've never programmed for an old 68k Mac, so I wouldn't know anyways:)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
That Linux port is at http://www.uclinux.org/. Looks like a neat little project, but IMHO has yet to deliver anything really seriously practical. But you really do have to admit, it's damned impressive... Arguably, it would probably run on the Visor, but one never really truly knows until one tries...
As for a PCMCIA handler variant, well, I doubt anyone has a clue about that at the moment 'cause no details about Springboard have been released yet, so we don't know how "genetically similar" it is to PCMCIA.
And a clik drive would be really cool:) But that's ultimately Iomega's call.
Problem is, we still don't have much concrete information. Wait 'till Tuesday.:)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Keep in mind that there is much _much_ more possible with Springboard than just mp3 players.
Point of order: there are currently all sorts of expansions for the Palm using the memory slot and serial connector. These range from wireless modems to a VERY cool magnetic compass device (It's true, i've got one! It really works... even tho it doesn't do much more than what your $5 compass can do, it's really really cool:) )
Visor is going in the right direction by adding something for expansion purposes _only_. That way you can use both something intended for Springboard, and also have something designed to work with whatever cradle connector Visor will have (which WILL happen, trust me - there will definitely be a market for having mutiple expansions on your Palm, we've been waiting for it for a long long long time:) )
Imagine - a keyboard thru the connection port, a modem in the Springboard slot, some PalmOS software which already exists, and you got yerself a highly portable, reliable Internet terminal... ooohhhh..... *drools* vixie WANT! vixie WANT NOW!
erm. 'scuse me:)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
That depends on whether your PDA is a accessory to your computer (Palm) or a replacement for your computer (WinCE, and to a lesser extent, uCLinux).
WinCE makes me sick, not because it's Microsoft, not because it's Windows, and not because it isn't PalmOS. It's because it's a bloated, buggy, non-fault-tolerant OS that has no place in the embedded OS market. If it did it's job without as many crashes, I could reccomend it, but as it is right now I really can't.
('Course, if you're very used to Windows, you might still want to consider WinCE. I'm not stopping or flaming you for doing so, I just think you ought to demand better from your PDA.)
Embedded OSes are just that - embedded. You have to be able to _rely_ on them, all the time, 24/7, or else you just purchased a very pretty paperweight. And for the most part you can't change that OS either. (uCLinux kinda shows otherwise, but it's still alpha hackerware)
The only similarity between Palm and Mac is their popularity - fans of the Palm, much like the Mac, tend to stick to their machines because those machines work _beautifully_, _for them_. It doesn't necessicarily mean that those are The Way That All Must Follow, just that those are The Way That That One Individual (And Others Like Him/Her) Probably Should Follow 'Cause It Works.
(Ya know, that seems to be a problem with lots of folks - just because it works for you does not mean it works for everyone, consequently others should not 1) be flamed, 2) be forced into another way of working, or 3) be ignored. )
I'm sticking with PalmOS, to tell ya the truth, 'cause it works for me:)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Lord, how do I wish for such a situation as what you have us imagine...
This is the same reason why I don't fear about redhat - in fact, it's why I think Red Hat is probably the _greatest_ thing to happen to Linux in a long time. Not for what they may bring to the project as a provider of source and whatnot (which I don't know all that much about anyways), but for putting a corprorate lookalike face on Linux. Which is obviously not what's REALLY going on (Red Hat != Microsoft for all time), but the sort of endlusers who normally buy Microsoft 'cause it's Microsoft can't see any different.:)
RH's duping the endluser, like Microsoft, but it's in a _good_ way:) I can see it now... "Nobody was ever fired for buying Red Hat" - at least that there's a company who can't dictate the important parts of policy if it ever gets taken over by some troll and gets corrupted...
(Now all I have to do is hope that RH doesn't start getting into anti-MS FUD like so many Linux supporters seem to go for...)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
I mean, it just ripped so _much_ from TPM! Luke going off with Obi-Wan? Just like Qui-Gon picking up Anakin, right down to the slavery (slavery to his uncle and aunt). The "kill Obi-Wan" bit was so much a rip on "kill Qui-Gon" it's not funny... And don't even get me started on the whole 'assault on the Death Star' (which was so obviously a clone of the assault on the Trade Federation ship, right down to the single assault by a Skywalker to destroy it...).
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
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You seem to assume "full size keyboard", which is not the case.
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For the record, I have a GoType keyboard for my Palm III whenever I want to take notes in class (for reasons already discussed here) and yes it is rather sizable. Roughly the size of a WinCE H/PC, except I don't always have to take it along.
The point is, tho Graffitti is a rather nice system, I type far faster than I even write on paper with pen, so I like having a keyboard when I'm entering rather large amounts of information. I don't carry it around with me all the time, this would be a Stupid Thing To Do(tm) for the reasons you mention (too damn big
And besides, there's a company called Think Outside or somesuch that's about to start shipping a keyboard that folds up into a package not much larger than the Palm itself..... vixiewantbadohyes*drool*
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
We already have those. They're called "laptops".
PDAs are not laptops, they are PDAs. Stop trying to apply laptop/desktop "Add More MORE MORE" rules to the PDA market, it does not work. Ask the venturecapitalists and hardware/software manufacturers who dropped 1 billion US $$$ into that market with exactly that strategy if you doubt.
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Nearly everyone does that. Hell, even /. does that - since it's based on submissions by 'nerds', the probablity lies in the direction that said nerds are going to submit that which they like hearing.
:)
Not that this is inevitable, but it sure looks like it
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
" If I update Netscape on both, my RedHat-box does it in notime with a simple command:"rpm -Uvh nets*.rpm"."
Tell me another story about how that's "intuitive."
That's very very good for a commandline user who has been around rpm for a VERY long time. To anyone else, that's cryptic nonsense that is very scary, dangerous, and unknown.
If ya wanna steal a Windows market, and take down Microsoft, you have to make that along the lines of "Push the button" for the newbies, tell what that's supposed to mean for the intermediates, and explain the total end results of what that does for the advanced.
(And, of course, you have to keep in mind that Linux newbie is roughly equal to Windows intermediate. The vast majority of Windows users are "Newbie.")
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
I submit that your average teenage user is still using Windows and really really wishing Linux could catch up. Many folks are just damn sick of BSODs, so they look around, hear about this dream called "Linux", so they try it. And Linux fails them, utterly, because it is so damn far behind in "intermediate" usability. So they go and buy a Mac, play with it, decide they don't like it, switch back to Windows 'cause it's all they know, and putter on, all the while bitching about BSODs and why Linux sucks and will never go anywhere.
Please prove these folks wrong!
(Trust folks who are out of the loop, people. It'll really help your advancement.)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
It is true, Linux is not quite ready for the desktop. I talk with a lot of folks about this very thing all the time.
Linux is missing several critical things that keep it from being a viable desktop OS to the everyman/woman:
First of all, we need intuitive and easy interfaces for:
- Network configuration;
- Installing applications - must be fully configured with at least some sort of starter configuration, have icons placed in your Startmenu clone, et cetera (Graphical "wizards" for makefiles, RPMs and whatever-the-heck-Debian's-package-format-is-call
e d packages would be an astounding leap forward here); - Updating your OS when new patches and fixes come out (Think along the lines of "Windows Update");
- System administration (This is a must have, I will never use Linux at all until at least this is created);
- New hardware configuration (Setting up your sound card, replacing your video, etc). This also has to be fairly pain-free - if replacing a video card, we need an autoselected new X server if possible, for example. (Perhaps we could all go out and buy a ton of video cards, create an "X Video Card Autosetup" database or something equally pithy
:) ) - Windows's "Device Manager" is an excellent example of how to display this kind of information (it's Windows' best feature, IMHO); - Quick and Easy Interface Changes (Changing colors, button and text size, etc. Themeing does a decent job for this, tho, and so it may already be implemented);
- Getting access to useful help. (HOWTOs are not useful to a newbie!), and
- Pretty much every single Linux website out there, or at least links to websites that cater totally to newbies in more ways than just NHFs. (apologies to Linuxnewbie.org)
Please note that "Intuitive" is being defined as:- Graphical interface (duh...);
- All available options clearly visible with instantly available explanations (Linuxnewbie.org's NHFs provide a good example of what kind of explanations should be initlally offered; use HOWTOs and man pages for LATER explanation, not initial) that can be found with the click of a button - it must be well documented, right there, or else it's unknown/useless/confusing/annoying;
- Easily found - placed by default in a Startmenu clone, for example;
- Show the most important options alone at first - have a "more options" selection available for most of the rest of us who don't need to be protected, and
- Be easily administerred - that is, installable and uninstallable with a menu selection and a click, with intuitive (as defined in the points above) interfaces for handling configuration files.
Of utmost importance are the following:- Do not require any user to use a specific kind of interface - this is the primary mistake of both Linux and Windows (Linux requires you to use a command line too often, Windows requires you to use the GUI too often.);
- Make sure every step is taken - In a lot of cases, some of these are already partly implemented (Red Hat and the distribs based off of it have a very nice network configuration tool, for example, and SuSE's YaST is very nice at system administration), but are missing key factors (YaST is missing some of the intuitiveness and explanations, RH's netconf (I think that's it) is nowhere to be found unless you browse thru a lot of helpfiles), and
- BE RESPECTFUL TO THE NEWBIE! A lot of newbies (and I myself at times) get very sick and tired of being called "lusers", "Winbabies" and the like. Ya wanna do good, you need to stop being condesending.
Get all these elements mixed together, and Linux will be an unstoppable desktop workstation."I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
I hereby refer you to my earlier post on that particular issue :)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
I prefer the KISS philosophy of "looking cheap, not being cheap, and costing as much" to the Apple philosophy of "looking pretty but costing a hell of a lot more"
If you want to use a work of art, write your notes on the back of the Mona Lisa for all I care. I'll be happily using a "cheap-looking" Visor Deluxe.
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Those of us with DSL, anything involving proxy severs, T1s (especially in colleges), et cetera, really DO want one, because then you can get connected without gettng a dialup account, or paying the really high expense that wireless is.
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
IIRC, the Palm III and below have 4 levels, the Palm IIIx and up have 16.
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
The datebook, which is the only "enhanced" app with a database to worry about, _is_ compatible, 'cause I've been using it!
:) )
:)
how, do you ask? Simple, I say - it's a specially prepared and liscensed version of Pimlico Software's Datebk3 (check them out at http://www.gorilla-haven.org/pimlico). I recognized the feature list, emailed CESD (the guy who coded it) and got this:
HandSpring's "advanced" datebook application is a special version of
DateBk3 that I prepared and licensed to them for use in their handheld
organizers. It includes almost all of the functionality of DateBk3
omitting only some of the "fancier" features such as icons, categories,
timezones and appts spanning midnight. It does feature a somewhat cleaner
user interface and may also include some other things that I am not aware
of -- i.e. they have their own development staff and may also have done
some additional work on it themselves - I'm waiting to pick up my unit
too...
(I feel proud - between when I emailed him and when I got a response, he put a note to this effect on the Pimlico page. I contributed to something totally ineffectual but slightly interesting to me! Go me
The only thing I'm curious about is if Handspring modified the Palm Desktop app as well to match up with the new features. If so, I grab _instantly_.
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Both, actually. Tho response time wasn't _that_ bad, just the overall speed. Graphics slooooowwww....
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Happy birthday!
:)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
- Much of the ignorant Outside World Of Endlusers(tm) is unaware of that, and
- Computers are still storing the date that way, no matter how arbitrary it might be.
So it doesn't matter if the date is meaningless, there will still be problems.(still trying to go back to some semblance of topicality as I see it... Conform to Vixie! Conform, damn you!
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
I agree! (I so _hate_ "me too" posts)
:) )
:) )
Only problem is, not _everyone's_ that way. I know a lot of very nice folks who happen to be both understanding and Christian. Heck, there's a few who actually know what I'm talking about and laugh when I talk about testing computers for Year 5760 compliance. (Which is coming VERY SOON, are YOU ready?
(You may now ignore my feeble attempt to bring this particular thread back onto the topic
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
I compromise. I'll be in a medium-sized city. :)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Just over 240, ya mean. :)
** This post has been certified to be Year 5760 Compliant **
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
CivCTP wasn't _all_ that wonderful...
:) )
Me and a friend of mine tried it under Linux, and again under Windows. The Windows version could run circles around the Linux version, stop to take a breath, have lunch, then leisurely walk to a finish line, and STILL leave the Linux version in the dust. It was that bad.
CivCTP, IMHO, is a neat way of saying "Yes, it is very possible right now to make games for Linux, but ultimately Linux still sucks as a gaming platform."
(Disclaimer: This is from the endluser perspective, please don't flame me for being technicially innacurate because I don't know the technical details
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Well, I have done some playing around with PalmOS programming, but never actually completed anything (just a few "Hello World" Deluxe Editions :) )... I'm not that much of a coder. :)
:)
And in any case I've never programmed for an old 68k Mac, so I wouldn't know anyways
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
That Linux port is at http://www.uclinux.org/. Looks like a neat little project, but IMHO has yet to deliver anything really seriously practical. But you really do have to admit, it's damned impressive...
:) But that's ultimately Iomega's call.
:)
Arguably, it would probably run on the Visor, but one never really truly knows until one tries...
As for a PCMCIA handler variant, well, I doubt anyone has a clue about that at the moment 'cause no details about Springboard have been released yet, so we don't know how "genetically similar" it is to PCMCIA.
And a clik drive would be really cool
Problem is, we still don't have much concrete information. Wait 'till Tuesday.
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Keep in mind that there is much _much_ more possible with Springboard than just mp3 players.
:) )
:) )
:)
Point of order: there are currently all sorts of expansions for the Palm using the memory slot and serial connector. These range from wireless modems to a VERY cool magnetic compass device (It's true, i've got one! It really works... even tho it doesn't do much more than what your $5 compass can do, it's really really cool
Visor is going in the right direction by adding something for expansion purposes _only_. That way you can use both something intended for Springboard, and also have something designed to work with whatever cradle connector Visor will have (which WILL happen, trust me - there will definitely be a market for having mutiple expansions on your Palm, we've been waiting for it for a long long long time
Imagine - a keyboard thru the connection port, a modem in the Springboard slot, some PalmOS software which already exists, and you got yerself a highly portable, reliable Internet terminal...
ooohhhh..... *drools* vixie WANT! vixie WANT NOW!
erm. 'scuse me
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
That depends on whether your PDA is a accessory to your computer (Palm) or a replacement for your computer (WinCE, and to a lesser extent, uCLinux).
:)
WinCE makes me sick, not because it's Microsoft, not because it's Windows, and not because it isn't PalmOS. It's because it's a bloated, buggy, non-fault-tolerant OS that has no place in the embedded OS market. If it did it's job without as many crashes, I could reccomend it, but as it is right now I really can't.
('Course, if you're very used to Windows, you might still want to consider WinCE. I'm not stopping or flaming you for doing so, I just think you ought to demand better from your PDA.)
Embedded OSes are just that - embedded. You have to be able to _rely_ on them, all the time, 24/7, or else you just purchased a very pretty paperweight. And for the most part you can't change that OS either. (uCLinux kinda shows otherwise, but it's still alpha hackerware)
The only similarity between Palm and Mac is their popularity - fans of the Palm, much like the Mac, tend to stick to their machines because those machines work _beautifully_, _for them_. It doesn't necessicarily mean that those are The Way That All Must Follow, just that those are The Way That That One Individual (And Others Like Him/Her) Probably Should Follow 'Cause It Works.
(Ya know, that seems to be a problem with lots of folks - just because it works for you does not mean it works for everyone, consequently others should not 1) be flamed, 2) be forced into another way of working, or 3) be ignored. )
I'm sticking with PalmOS, to tell ya the truth, 'cause it works for me
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Redhat is focusing on Microsoft because it is in Redhat's best interest to kick Microsoft off the desktop, and replace Windows with RH Linux.
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Typical business tactic. But it's by a business whose product is freely available in all the best ways
Go Redhat Go!
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
Lord, how do I wish for such a situation as what you have us imagine...
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This is the same reason why I don't fear about redhat - in fact, it's why I think Red Hat is probably the _greatest_ thing to happen to Linux in a long time. Not for what they may bring to the project as a provider of source and whatnot (which I don't know all that much about anyways), but for putting a corprorate lookalike face on Linux. Which is obviously not what's REALLY going on (Red Hat != Microsoft for all time), but the sort of endlusers who normally buy Microsoft 'cause it's Microsoft can't see any different.
RH's duping the endluser, like Microsoft, but it's in a _good_ way
I can see it now... "Nobody was ever fired for buying Red Hat" - at least that there's a company who can't dictate the important parts of policy if it ever gets taken over by some troll and gets corrupted...
(Now all I have to do is hope that RH doesn't start getting into anti-MS FUD like so many Linux supporters seem to go for...)
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."
I mean, it just ripped so _much_ from TPM! Luke going off with Obi-Wan? Just like Qui-Gon picking up Anakin, right down to the slavery (slavery to his uncle and aunt). The "kill Obi-Wan" bit was so much a rip on "kill Qui-Gon" it's not funny... And don't even get me started on the whole 'assault on the Death Star' (which was so obviously a clone of the assault on the Trade Federation ship, right down to the single assault by a Skywalker to destroy it...).
"I don't believe that there is one, single, perfect spiritual way and, in realizing that, obviously you become a lot more open."