Never! Using force to silence someone - anyone - is an evil act, pure and simple.
You are confusing two completely different entities... Censorship usually has to do with speech, ideas, points of view, etc. What we're referring to above is sensitive information, which are more like facts, specifications, and trade secrets.
I should know a litte about this because I work with it every day. I repair aircraft avionics systems in the US Air Force. Every one of the tech manuals that I use daily have a phrase at the bottom of every page that says "For Official Use Only." Imagine, if you will, that some goon managed to steal one of these manuals from me and sold the contents to an enemy country. More than likely, the content would be useless as most of the information is decades old and already known to every intelligence agency on the planet. But there's the slim chance that the enemy might notice some new change or modification in a system that they could exploit to decieve or hide from a US aircraft. Now, that aircraft and whatever it was protecting has been comprimised.
So, based on your definition of "censorship," protecting our military secrets in the interest of keeping American citizens alive is "an evil act, pure and simple." Our military force is not as big as most people believe, and superior technology is the only reason we are the Number 1 force in the world. And if you don't believe that there are other nations that would GLADLY smash us into little tiny bits merely for being demi-free Americans, you are very sadly mistaken.
The point of this whole rant was to try and show you the line between censorship and sensitive information. Yes, there is a line, and it's not so blurry as you may think.
Mr. Limo mentioned that we ought to take a look at the web page that AOL users see when they fire up a net connection... says that Linux users can't even see the page? Is this true? Can anyone at least provide a URL so we can see for ourselves? Even Micro$oft isn't that discriminatory in regard to web browsers.
This is exactly the point I was trying to prove, except I wasn't quite as... er... ya know. And also the guy (Shane) that replied to this post with his definitions of various groups has it right on the money. I just didn't have the time earlier today to go through all that. Had a point and I stated it.
The AC who submitted the above comment gets a hardy handshake from me. And here's why.
I, for one, am thoroughly sick of the *NIX, OSS, programming, etc communities on a mad rampage about the definition of a single word. I mean, waltzing around going "Oh, you must mean 'cracker,' because a 'hacker' is just another name for a programmer." So based on that statement, it would make perfect sense for a university to offer a class called "Object Oriented Hacking using C++"? Get serious.
Bottom line, if hackers themselves want to be known as hackers and you want to change their label (what they are known as), that seems to me to be worse than any sin the open-source software community exists to rebel against. Cases in point:
2600: The Hacker's Quarterly.
PHRACK (combo of phreak and hack)
It seems to be that some are just irate that the word "hack" has two different definitions: one which applies to two separate groups of people, and one definition that applies only to a certain group. And they can't deal with the fact that the audience might have to use their brain to figure out the correct definition based on context.
People have been complaining about the memory usage, but I'm finding it's only about 2M larger in ram usage than 4.7, 31M vs 29M. Granted, I wish it were smaller than that..
Good god, man! I have 128MB of memory and after a short while browsing, NS 4.7 racks up at least 70 to 80MB altogether and the only way to get that memory back is to kill off Netscape. Mozilla is pretty conservative I notice, at least it is compared to Netscape. If NS6 doesn't take up at least half of 4.7 then there's no way in hell I'm using it regardless of speed / prettiness.
A slightly better analogy would be having a complete brand-new Athlon system built except the graphics card (you have no spares, so the system is dead), but finding out the GeForce you just ordered won't be arriving for another two weeks because the store you ordered it from online didn't actually have them in stock like their webpage said. And guess what? You're only computer at the moment is a Pentium 90 laptop!
It was my understanding that the FCC recently passed some sort of directive allowing people to broadcast whatever they wish on lower-power (less than 7 watts, I think) FM with no license required. Being that I'm right next to a city of thousands, I do this in a heartbeat if I wasn't wasting away in a dormitory.
And AFAIK, most noncommercial / nonprofit / educational radio stations don't broadcast anything that would fall under RIAA's copyrights.
Ya know, I would have to agree with your point. All of my friends that are in college are in fairly poor financial shape right now. Why? The colleges they attend literally milk them dry. You pay for your room, you pay for your books, you pay for your supplies. This is all reasonable. But when you start charging students for additional little things like ethernet, it's getting a tad ridiculous. I mean, shouldn't phone lines and ethernet be included in the cost of the room? I also hear via my sister that OSU's cafeteria situation is in pretty bad shape, screwing-students-wise.
But what of me, you might ask? Well I joined the military. I don't plan on staying in, because I am going to college fulltime after I get out. I had no one to pay my way through college, and I could think of no other way to get my education without being TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars in debt before I even got the chance to set foot in the real world. No thanks, I'll let the US gov foot the bill on that one.
Okay, this is the third time in this thread that I've come across this guy. He simply keeps saying things like THEFT and STEALING in big capital letters. The moderators need an "uninformed" option.
If you've read the story and the accompanying links you'll find that while it happens to nicely fit the university's technical definition of "theft", it doesn't really pan out too well with some rather well-known facts of the real world.
These students did in fact have a right to use the university network. They used it every day, in their various labs and study facilities. Says right there in the news articles that were linked in the/. post. So they can use the network, just not where it would actually useful for them. Somewhere it mentioned that students pay for some sort of technology fee that goes directly to the campus network. So they DO pay for it. Hard to steal something you pay for and are already allowed to use, eh?
Yes well you're probably right about most of that... but as an avid gamer with many years under his belt, I can tell you that you are not going to see gaming consoles replace PCs or vice versa. The only possiblity is if there were to somehow merge. I can tell you firsthand that console gaming and PC gaming are utterly worlds apart. The game styles themselves are radically different. PC Games are developed mostly in America and Europe, whereas probably 80-90% of all console games are developed in Japan.
As a short example, I was personally disgusted with every port of the Quake family to console systems (mostly due to shoddy controls), but I would never trade anything in the world for those long evenings of a Final Fantasy session. Sitting on the floor, controller in hand, and pepsi nearby. Ahhh....
I can't claim to have seen the non-compete agreement, but I highly doubt they can claim ownership to something you coded at home, on your own equipment. Any attempt to enforce that (if it's actually in the agreement) would be tossed out of court anyway.
If you and your employer sign a piece of paper that specifically states that your company owns everything you write either at work or on your free time, there is nothing you can do about it, unless the contract is broken or dissolved. If you went to work for Microsoft and signed a contract that said you had give all your worldly posessions to Bill Gates, it is technically enforcable in a court of law if you refused.
This isn't about freedom or rights, it's about the terms that you agreed to when you decided to work for said company. This is why it pays to go over the fine print before you sign anything.
To me, the name TopClick sounds like something an entrepenuer or something came up in the midst of some dollar-making dream. Or a banner ad service or something.
Although I do like the site, overall, There's little that one can do to improve upon Google, which is what it appears TopClick is doing.
I've been stating for years that as long as you are smart and careful about what you download, you will never catch a virus. I've been using using computers for (looks at watch) holy shit, 12 years to the day!:P) Anyway, none of the computers that I ever owned ever had any kind of anti-virus software on them. Ever. Yet, I've never been infected.
I personally believe that the vast majority of viruses on Win systems come from stupid people opening executables in the email attachments. I seriously believe that if EVERY EMAIL CLIENT simply disregarded (throw away) executable attachments, we'd see a HUGE decrease in virulent outbreaks. After all, we have FTP and the web for distributing programs. Using email for that purpose is a complete waste.
And I completely agree with statement against executable documents.
This is approximately what will happen when you give an AC extremist a keyboard and a place to use it in.
What you are talking about and what Katz is talking about is the exact same argument about Open Software vs. Free Software.
Let's say for a moment that distributing music online was completely free and encouraged by everyone. Got that pictured? Okay. Now, who owns the music? Answer: the artists still do.
Just because a work of art is given away freely does NOT mean that they don't own it. This is the basic foundation of Open Source software. It is hard to browse ANY FTP site these days without stumbling across a complete copy of Red Hat, Slackware, etc. Linus owns Linux, and no one will ever dispute it.
You seem to be inferring that Katz was stating the opposite. He wasn't, he just used a poor analogy.
I did just the opposite: I bought Q3 for Linux, but because the GeForce drivers in Linux are currently unplayable, the only way for me to play is to download the Win32 point release and find a crack that removes the CD-check from the executable. (As the Win32 binary won't recognize the Linux Q3A CD as valid, despite the fact that this was supposed to be addressed in the point release.)
So any of you Linux folks that want Q3A, but can't get hardware acceleration working properly in Linux, just use the method mentioned above. You can still play your games, and support the OS you love.
Get in contact with Loki. I pre-ordered my copy of Q3A from their website as well, and after seeing the Linux Q3 tins on store shelves, but not having one of my own, I dropped them an email.
They replied that the shelf boxes had to be manufactured separately from the ones that ship out to people (cd-less) who pre-ordered the game online. I can see from their standpoint why they got wanted to get the retail boxes out the door before the ones that were techincally already paid for.
But still, you should have already gotten your tin and jewel case. I'd email them about it and give them any information you can (e.g., ship to name, credit card name [NOT NUMBER], address, and definitely an order number or something if they gave you one. I can't remember.)
Good, because there is no accelerated 3D support for the GeForce at the present time. 2D acceleration only, as NVidia hasn't released enough information about the cards for drivers to be written)
Actually, nVidia has Linux GeForce drivers up on their site as we speak. They've been there for months. Both 2D and 3D. They're either working on them internally or contracting it out to Precision Insight, I believe.
However... I doubt those work with X 4.0. DRI isn't supported yet, but one guy said it was right around the corner.
Can't wait for Quake3 to run at a decent framerate.:)
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P.S. Censorship is sometimes a good thing.
Never! Using force to silence someone - anyone - is an evil act, pure and simple.
You are confusing two completely different entities... Censorship usually has to do with speech, ideas, points of view, etc. What we're referring to above is sensitive information, which are more like facts, specifications, and trade secrets.
I should know a litte about this because I work with it every day. I repair aircraft avionics systems in the US Air Force. Every one of the tech manuals that I use daily have a phrase at the bottom of every page that says "For Official Use Only." Imagine, if you will, that some goon managed to steal one of these manuals from me and sold the contents to an enemy country. More than likely, the content would be useless as most of the information is decades old and already known to every intelligence agency on the planet. But there's the slim chance that the enemy might notice some new change or modification in a system that they could exploit to decieve or hide from a US aircraft. Now, that aircraft and whatever it was protecting has been comprimised.
So, based on your definition of "censorship," protecting our military secrets in the interest of keeping American citizens alive is "an evil act, pure and simple." Our military force is not as big as most people believe, and superior technology is the only reason we are the Number 1 force in the world. And if you don't believe that there are other nations that would GLADLY smash us into little tiny bits merely for being demi-free Americans, you are very sadly mistaken.
The point of this whole rant was to try and show you the line between censorship and sensitive information. Yes, there is a line, and it's not so blurry as you may think.
Mr. Limo mentioned that we ought to take a look at the web page that AOL users see when they fire up a net connection... says that Linux users can't even see the page? Is this true? Can anyone at least provide a URL so we can see for ourselves? Even Micro$oft isn't that discriminatory in regard to web browsers.
I lost my mind in a Microsoft Press book about Java once. Guess that means I'm dysfunctional.
This is exactly the point I was trying to prove, except I wasn't quite as... er... ya know. And also the guy (Shane) that replied to this post with his definitions of various groups has it right on the money. I just didn't have the time earlier today to go through all that. Had a point and I stated it.
The AC who submitted the above comment gets a hardy handshake from me. And here's why.
I, for one, am thoroughly sick of the *NIX, OSS, programming, etc communities on a mad rampage about the definition of a single word. I mean, waltzing around going "Oh, you must mean 'cracker,' because a 'hacker' is just another name for a programmer." So based on that statement, it would make perfect sense for a university to offer a class called "Object Oriented Hacking using C++"? Get serious.
Bottom line, if hackers themselves want to be known as hackers and you want to change their label (what they are known as), that seems to me to be worse than any sin the open-source software community exists to rebel against.
Cases in point:
- 2600: The Hacker's Quarterly.
- PHRACK (combo of phreak and hack)
It seems to be that some are just irate that the word "hack" has two different definitions: one which applies to two separate groups of people, and one definition that applies only to a certain group. And they can't deal with the fact that the audience might have to use their brain to figure out the correct definition based on context.</END RANT>
People have been complaining about the memory usage, but I'm finding it's only about 2M larger in ram usage than 4.7, 31M vs 29M. Granted, I wish it were smaller than that..
Good god, man! I have 128MB of memory and after a short while browsing, NS 4.7 racks up at least 70 to 80MB altogether and the only way to get that memory back is to kill off Netscape. Mozilla is pretty conservative I notice, at least it is compared to Netscape. If NS6 doesn't take up at least half of 4.7 then there's no way in hell I'm using it regardless of speed / prettiness.
ROFL, now this is what I like to see, a good old-fashioned cluebie grilling. Moderate this up please, this stuff is great!
Or could just be cause it's 1AM... oh well
A slightly better analogy would be having a complete brand-new Athlon system built except the graphics card (you have no spares, so the system is dead), but finding out the GeForce you just ordered won't be arriving for another two weeks because the store you ordered it from online didn't actually have them in stock like their webpage said. And guess what? You're only computer at the moment is a Pentium 90 laptop!
;)
True story.
You need some valium.
I don't think
It was my understanding that the FCC recently passed some sort of directive allowing people to broadcast whatever they wish on lower-power (less than 7 watts, I think) FM with no license required. Being that I'm right next to a city of thousands, I do this in a heartbeat if I wasn't wasting away in a dormitory.
And AFAIK, most noncommercial / nonprofit / educational radio stations don't broadcast anything that would fall under RIAA's copyrights.
Ya know, I would have to agree with your point. All of my friends that are in college are in fairly poor financial shape right now. Why? The colleges they attend literally milk them dry. You pay for your room, you pay for your books, you pay for your supplies. This is all reasonable. But when you start charging students for additional little things like ethernet, it's getting a tad ridiculous. I mean, shouldn't phone lines and ethernet be included in the cost of the room? I also hear via my sister that OSU's cafeteria situation is in pretty bad shape, screwing-students-wise.
But what of me, you might ask? Well I joined the military. I don't plan on staying in, because I am going to college fulltime after I get out. I had no one to pay my way through college, and I could think of no other way to get my education without being TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars in debt before I even got the chance to set foot in the real world. No thanks, I'll let the US gov foot the bill on that one.
Okay, this is the third time in this thread that I've come across this guy. He simply keeps saying things like THEFT and STEALING in big capital letters. The moderators need an "uninformed" option.
/. post. So they can use the network, just not where it would actually useful for them. Somewhere it mentioned that students pay for some sort of technology fee that goes directly to the campus network. So they DO pay for it. Hard to steal something you pay for and are already allowed to use, eh?
If you've read the story and the accompanying links you'll find that while it happens to nicely fit the university's technical definition of "theft", it doesn't really pan out too well with some rather well-known facts of the real world.
These students did in fact have a right to use the university network. They used it every day, in their various labs and study facilities. Says right there in the news articles that were linked in the
Yes well you're probably right about most of that... but as an avid gamer with many years under his belt, I can tell you that you are not going to see gaming consoles replace PCs or vice versa. The only possiblity is if there were to somehow merge. I can tell you firsthand that console gaming and PC gaming are utterly worlds apart. The game styles themselves are radically different. PC Games are developed mostly in America and Europe, whereas probably 80-90% of all console games are developed in Japan.
As a short example, I was personally disgusted with every port of the Quake family to console systems (mostly due to shoddy controls), but I would never trade anything in the world for those long evenings of a Final Fantasy session. Sitting on the floor, controller in hand, and pepsi nearby. Ahhh....
In gtop, you can just right-click on a process. That brings up a menu to send it various signals. Won't work if netscape is suid, though.
Silly me, I was always under the assumption that the OSS credo for releases was "release early, release often."
I can't claim to have seen the non-compete agreement, but I highly doubt they can claim ownership to something you coded at home, on your own equipment. Any attempt to enforce that (if it's actually in the agreement) would be tossed out of court anyway.
If you and your employer sign a piece of paper that specifically states that your company owns everything you write either at work or on your free time, there is nothing you can do about it, unless the contract is broken or dissolved. If you went to work for Microsoft and signed a contract that said you had give all your worldly posessions to Bill Gates, it is technically enforcable in a court of law if you refused.
This isn't about freedom or rights, it's about the terms that you agreed to when you decided to work for said company. This is why it pays to go over the fine print before you sign anything.
To me, the name TopClick sounds like something an entrepenuer or something came up in the midst of some dollar-making dream. Or a banner ad service or something.
Although I do like the site, overall, There's little that one can do to improve upon Google, which is what it appears TopClick is doing.
They have the right idea, though.
Someone moderate this guy up!
:P) Anyway, none of the computers that I ever owned ever had any kind of anti-virus software on them. Ever. Yet, I've never been infected.
I've been stating for years that as long as you are smart and careful about what you download, you will never catch a virus. I've been using using computers for (looks at watch) holy shit, 12 years to the day!
I personally believe that the vast majority of viruses on Win systems come from stupid people opening executables in the email attachments. I seriously believe that if EVERY EMAIL CLIENT simply disregarded (throw away) executable attachments, we'd see a HUGE decrease in virulent outbreaks. After all, we have FTP and the web for distributing programs. Using email for that purpose is a complete waste.
And I completely agree with statement against executable documents.
This is approximately what will happen when you give an AC extremist a keyboard and a place to use it in.
What you are talking about and what Katz is talking about is the exact same argument about Open Software vs. Free Software.
Let's say for a moment that distributing music online was completely free and encouraged by everyone. Got that pictured? Okay. Now, who owns the music? Answer: the artists still do.
Just because a work of art is given away freely does NOT mean that they don't own it. This is the basic foundation of Open Source software. It is hard to browse ANY FTP site these days without stumbling across a complete copy of Red Hat, Slackware, etc. Linus owns Linux, and no one will ever dispute it.
You seem to be inferring that Katz was stating the opposite. He wasn't, he just used a poor analogy.
Apparently you haven't heard of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act...
More than likely, it's a serial port.
I'm no networking genius, but instinct tells me that you don't want to do ethernet over a serial port.
I did just the opposite: I bought Q3 for Linux, but because the GeForce drivers in Linux are currently unplayable, the only way for me to play is to download the Win32 point release and find a crack that removes the CD-check from the executable. (As the Win32 binary won't recognize the Linux Q3A CD as valid, despite the fact that this was supposed to be addressed in the point release.)
So any of you Linux folks that want Q3A, but can't get hardware acceleration working properly in Linux, just use the method mentioned above. You can still play your games, and support the OS you love.
Get in contact with Loki. I pre-ordered my copy of Q3A from their website as well, and after seeing the Linux Q3 tins on store shelves, but not having one of my own, I dropped them an email.
They replied that the shelf boxes had to be manufactured separately from the ones that ship out to people (cd-less) who pre-ordered the game online. I can see from their standpoint why they got wanted to get the retail boxes out the door before the ones that were techincally already paid for.
But still, you should have already gotten your tin and jewel case. I'd email them about it and give them any information you can (e.g., ship to name, credit card name [NOT NUMBER], address, and definitely an order number or something if they gave you one. I can't remember.)
Good Luck.
Good, because there is no accelerated 3D support for the GeForce at the present time. 2D acceleration only, as NVidia hasn't released enough information about the cards for drivers to be written)
:)
Actually, nVidia has Linux GeForce drivers up on their site as we speak. They've been there for months. Both 2D and 3D. They're either working on them internally or contracting it out to Precision Insight, I believe.
However... I doubt those work with X 4.0. DRI isn't supported yet, but one guy said it was right around the corner.
Can't wait for Quake3 to run at a decent framerate.