For the people claiming that Europe is so great because they do this and that. Fuck-off. Well, I've just read the whole thread, and I'm damned if I saw a "Europe is so great" post. And quit referring to disparate European countries as Europe. Would you like it if I referred to the USA, Canada, Mexico etc as the Americas, implying every landmass attached to your country? And by your post, you are no better than those you are slamming. I would return your comment in the true English fashion:Fuck right off, or I'll see you outside.
This ain't Europe. Whoah!!! The genius speaks!!! And judging by your poor quality choice of words, you sure don't have English as your first language, either... We'll decide to do things our way Yeah, and see how your legislative system has fared! I'm not even going to _bother_ starting in on what is wrong with your country, and not so I can make mine seem "better", chiefly because the tone of your post signifies that arguing with you would make kicking a spaniel puppy seem moral. You are a useless waste of bandwidth.
5. i read how he has set up his own "consultancy" business where he will bring your business good luck. Yep. IIRC Reading Football Club (football in the original sense of the word; the beautiful game. Not that USA razzamatazz with 50 heavy dudes in protective harnesses prancing around like they were athletes or something...). Still, last I checked, Reading FC weren't in any danger of threatening the Premier division... Or even anywhere near even being in that division, either...
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Y2K was real, and the geeks saved the day Again. And whilst the PHB's are laughing their stock options to the bank, us geeks slide quietly into our server rooms... To be forgotten until the next crisis hits us all...
Well, I've used Interbase on and off for a good few years, and v5.0 intensively over the last year. It's always been a doddle to administrate, requires almost no resources, and has _never_ lost any data. It dies maybe once every 3 months, but always with a full recovery. Open sourcing InterBase is effectively giving it away. InterBase requires no "after sales support" for Inprise (I agree with the previous poster about the name - Borland _is_ better:) So, although it might not make any money _yet_ with a little patience (and with the targeting of Linux as a new OS platform to develop for), Borland may well kill Access with it. Add a pretty front end; there you have a fully featured DB back end to put any GUI on. And I find it a crying shame that neither Delphi or C++ Builder haven't penetrated the markets yet. Delphi is a piece of piss to use, (surely, ALL programmers play with Pascal at some point), and compiles code with an execution speed that makes VB programmers cream themselves. If you've ever used C++ Builder and MS VC++, well, you already know what I'm talking about... DRAG AND DROP, Bill!!! And what the fuck is all that message pump nonsense about? Sheesh. In a test for a pretty basic GUI and simple database (10 tables), here's what I got: Delphi / Interbase - 8.5 hours. C++ Builder / Interbase - 10 hours (I got distracted and wrote a whole load of thread classes so all DB activity is done in the background. Then included it into the Delphi version. Try doing that between VC++ and Visual Basic...) MSVC++ / SQL Server - 16 hours
And I think I have relatively even spread of skills with all the above. Anyway, don't hold your breath for source code for InterBase.
Technically, the argument boils down to the issue of reverse engineering. And still, judges don't really understand this. If a car manufacturer A can take apart say, a competitor B's carburettor, they can reverse engineer it. There's nothing preventing them doing this, in reality, and no judge would hold this case up. Because there are _manufacturing_ considerations to making the carburettor. Exactly the same applies with software- you can see what it does, but you must still figure out how to "make" (pun intended:) it.
Ideologically, the argument challenges the ideals of free speech, freedom of information, and the ability to innovate on behalf of computer users, hardware engineers and software developers all over the planet. Hmm, think you're pushing it a bit there about the whole planet. The USA is mostly a nice place, but there are other continents
...without lawyers heading innovators off at the pass." Sadly, this is my impression of corporate America these days. If you can't win by market forces, crush them with your legal team.
There are a lot of sites that are mirroring [the code], and they'll keep the program alive. I'll sleep easy at night knowing I did my part." Yep. And when one gets hit with the Cease & Desist, another will take it's place. I really hope this goes high profile. Once corporations get the message that when it comes to the net, winning in court is not absolute, then they may consider their legal actions more carefully. And I find it heartening (hey, I'm British, I always root for the underdog!:) that the "underground" can fight back in this manner - corporate pigs may win the battle, but who is winning the war?
Another interesting point of this case is that anyone who linked to a site that contained the information is also being held liable in the case. That scares the piss out of me. Where does it end? Say if I link to a site that links to a site with the contentious code, am I liable? Reminds me of a rhyme I was taught as a kid - "Big fleas have little fleas upon their back to bite them, little fleas have tiny fleas, and so ad infinitum...". Surely a judge somewhere _must_ realise the complete and utter stupidity of this... I think it's a plot by the lawyers... If they can sue everybody on the net, then everybody requires a lawyer...:(
Maybe the soothsayers are right... Maybe this is the armageddon coming for Y2K. A poor decision by the judge here could badly hurt the whole internet...
By the way, if you're wondering who this Emmett Plant bloke is (I doubt he's related to Egg Plant, but I bet he's heard that before...:), I think this may be the chap here...... If it isn't, my apologies... Would the real Emmett Plant stand up...
Hackers aren't always male, either, you fumbduck. I used to work with an amazing hacker woman who frankly, would recompile your kernel any day... Although having said that, I'd say most trolls _are_ male..... And seeing that/. _does_ have a few female readers (hopefully more by the day), I though it would be nice for them to have a laugh at a N&P post...
Hmm, thanks for the info. But what happens when they run out of characters? Move onto "Mars Attacks"? I'd rather believe that Zappa was giving a helping hand.... Please name the next Debian release "Muffin" after Zappa's classic "Muffin Man" track... If you've not heard it, do you yourself a favour & go buy it... Perfect after a night on the sesh!!!:)
Hmmm, I'm more of a naked NP / MLM sort of chap... And I also would much prefer to leave out the "petrified" bit, being more of a fan of "oiled and breathless with anticipation", hehehehe:) But in the interests of equality, and dare I say it; humour, I felt this had to be posted... As far as "up all night", do you mean recompiling Linux on a slow machine?:)
Debian actually has the largest market share now. It just does not have the hype Umm, proof, please? I would be convinced if you'd either post a link, or failing that, a large cheque... Damn, I've been working in the City too long...:(
Umm, a release named "potato"? Pleeeeease!!! History repeats itself. Does no-one remember the potato blight which killed millions in Ireland all those years ago? It was due to the practice of splitting seed potatoes in two to increase crops - once the disease took hold, there was insufficient genetic mutation in the crops to provide resilience against this sort of thing. Still, it did have an upside... A lot of Irish emigrated elsewhere, which is why there's always an Irish pub in most cities (and I challenge/. to provide me with an example to the contrary!:) I do find it worrying, though, that all the Irish pubs around here are all advertising "good craic"..... Craic detroys lives, just say no! And what the hell is woody all about? I know we're nerds, but I think it a little odd to say "I just gave my computer a woody"... Where on earth do they get their release naming conventions, anyway? Is the ghost of Frank Zappa alive and well, and using Linux? Can we look forward to a "Moon Unit 4" Slackware release soon?
Nice one. The OSS "movement" needs high profile stuff like this. Corporate bigwigs _like_ this sort of thing. Anything that can legitimise Open Source in the eyes of the business world can only be a good thing. And it's a breath of fresh air to read about a computing event that's not totally full of FUD... Anybody notice that the FUD is beginning to fly even more thickly of late?
Confused over your use of "satyr"... Did you mean satire? Or was it a pun? (Satyr being some Greek god or devil or something, I don't really remember much except he has always portrayed in statues as being hung like a donkey, and was perpetually in a state of sexual arousal...
Hehehe kinda like trying to rob a gunshop, really:) But so far, everyone who's been shafted has called for restraint from the community... Wonder how long this will last?
if Micros~1 should pick up say, GCC and put a major part of it into the next VC++
How do you know they haven't already? Or any other big company out there? (#include "stddisclaimer.h" - I'm not accusing anybody, just supposing... God bless American lawyers...) Every major corporation seemes to feel the need for large parasitic departments like Marketing. And one of the first things Marketing does (apart from enjoying the two drink minimum:) is ask "what else is out there like this?". Only, they can do a good deal more than just feature analysis on GPL'ed code. So the techies go and download gcc source, and take it apart. Then they'll pull out all of the best bits and make the techniques work for them. And with the whole closed source kept under wraps until a Judge orders otherwise, you're never going to know that they ripped your code. I'd like to think that if company X liked, say the parser of gcc, they'd give the accredited author a call with their cheque books waiting. But I'm unfortunately not that naive. So, even worse, Joe Coder at company X paraphrases the gcc parser modules and his/her PHB's think he is the next programming guru. And the original programmer never gets his name accredited in the closed source - effectively depriving him of "payment" - ie a bit of respect from other coders. That said, I love being able to see the code behind something cool I just downloaded. It's nice to be able to see how it's done correctly all the time. And I don't care how good a coder you are, if you think you've nothing left to learn by reading other's code then you've given up advancing your skillset.
Hehehe!!! Boy, I wish I was in that class!!! I can picture me in the labs at 4am, playing Q1 and about to get kicked out by the sysadmin.... "But I'm still testing!!!"
Yep. But the barely computer literate PHB's and AOL users will see it and make analogies with cars 'horsepower etc... It's "got more MHz, Elmer, it must be faster!!!" The public is, in general, getting more techno-savvy. However, as this proves, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. And by the time your PHB's actually know what a superscalar pipeline is, we'll be getting into some seriously weird new stuff...
suddenly people will be writing code for one distribution that will absolutely NOT work on any other
Well, this will happen. I'm a Win32 coder by day (oh, the shame, this will be instant Score : -1 Troll:) and getting into Linux by night / weekend. I don't have time or inclination to do much more than that; there's too much to get my head around and frankly too much coding can kill you. I don't have time to play with *BSD distributions. That said, I do play at coding under Linux (port scanning stuff at the minute hehehe:). It's hard enough as it is, without having to get into other OS's as well. But when I get something together that's worth letting other people see, I will GPL it, and publish it on my website. And if someone wants to use it on *BSD, they're welcome to take my code, and get it to run on their box, it they think it's a useful tool. That's the power of the GPL, IMHO...
I was a claymation man with three fingers and no neck running through a swamp full of giant malevolent animated tupperware Don't fear the household products any more!!! Give up the 10 tabs of LSD before bed, and you'll be fiiine!:)
I'm surprised that GritsBoy hasn't yet posted something along the lines of: Hey, everybody! I've just created a new lifeform! I poured a bowl of hot grits down my pants (mmmm mmmm!) just after I'd had a tug!!! Because of the mmmm delicious, tasty and nutritious nature of grits, my little DNA swimmers mutated into a new life form!!! And boy, they just love grits too!!!
Uhm.. let me think now... There is no difference. Only I don't know of any C compiler that compiles to assembler - they normally compile to machine code, which is very different to assembler. No compiler is perfect. I think we can accept that as a given. Sometimes you need to debug the output of the compiler to see what's going on. So you've got machine written C compiled into machine code. Debug that, then! Oh yeah, Eiffel & OO weenies can't get that close to the metal... As far as reliability of software, what do you really think the problem is? Is it crap CS people, or the ridiculous pressures placed on them by PHB's to deliver? Take WinNT. Thousands of developers, goes down more often that a £10 whore. Because the PHB's say deliver, deliver, deliver the next version ASAP. Then look at Linux. No presures to get it out the door quickly, just get it out the door _right_.
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For the people claiming that Europe is so great because they do this and that. Fuck-off. :Fuck right off, or I'll see you outside.
Well, I've just read the whole thread, and I'm damned if I saw a "Europe is so great" post. And quit referring to disparate European countries as Europe. Would you like it if I referred to the USA, Canada, Mexico etc as the Americas, implying every landmass attached to your country? And by your post, you are no better than those you are slamming. I would return your comment in the true English fashion
This ain't Europe. Whoah!!! The genius speaks!!! And judging by your poor quality choice of words, you sure don't have English as your first language, either...
We'll decide to do things our way
Yeah, and see how your legislative system has fared! I'm not even going to _bother_ starting in on what is wrong with your country, and not so I can make mine seem "better", chiefly because the tone of your post signifies that arguing with you would make kicking a spaniel puppy seem moral. You are a useless waste of bandwidth.
"Sex in the White House: Monica Speaks!" :)
I believe she was quoted as saying "mmmmpf! Mmmmpft! Huck-ptui!!!"
So... Any recommendations for a new AGP graphics card for my dual boot (RH Linux & NT4.0) machine? Damned Unreal just doesn't run _quick_ enough!!!
5. i read how he has set up his own "consultancy" business where he will bring your business good luck.
Yep. IIRC Reading Football Club (football in the original sense of the word; the beautiful game. Not that USA razzamatazz with 50 heavy dudes in protective harnesses prancing around like they were athletes or something...). Still, last I checked, Reading FC weren't in any danger of threatening the Premier division... Or even anywhere near even being in that division, either...
Y2K was real, and the geeks saved the day
Again.
And whilst the PHB's are laughing their stock options to the bank, us geeks slide quietly into our server rooms...
To be forgotten until the next crisis hits us all...
Well, I've used Interbase on and off for a good few years, and v5.0 intensively over the last year. It's always been a doddle to administrate, requires almost no resources, and has _never_ lost any data. It dies maybe once every 3 months, but always with a full recovery. :)
Open sourcing InterBase is effectively giving it away. InterBase requires no "after sales support" for Inprise (I agree with the previous poster about the name - Borland _is_ better
So, although it might not make any money _yet_ with a little patience (and with the targeting of Linux as a new OS platform to develop for), Borland may well kill Access with it. Add a pretty front end; there you have a fully featured DB back end to put any GUI on. And I find it a crying shame that neither Delphi or C++ Builder haven't penetrated the markets yet. Delphi is a piece of piss to use, (surely, ALL programmers play with Pascal at some point), and compiles code with an execution speed that makes VB programmers cream themselves. If you've ever used C++ Builder and MS VC++, well, you already know what I'm talking about... DRAG AND DROP, Bill!!! And what the fuck is all that message pump nonsense about? Sheesh. In a test for a pretty basic GUI and simple database (10 tables), here's what I got:
Delphi / Interbase - 8.5 hours.
C++ Builder / Interbase - 10 hours (I got distracted and wrote a whole load of thread classes so all DB activity is done in the background. Then included it into the Delphi version. Try doing that between VC++ and Visual Basic...)
MSVC++ / SQL Server - 16 hours
And I think I have relatively even spread of skills with all the above.
Anyway, don't hold your breath for source code for InterBase.
Technically, the argument boils down to the issue of reverse engineering. :) it.
...without lawyers heading innovators off at the pass."
:) that the "underground" can fight back in this manner - corporate pigs may win the battle, but who is winning the war?
:(
:), I think this may be the chap here...... If it isn't, my apologies... Would the real Emmett Plant stand up...
And still, judges don't really understand this. If a car manufacturer A can take apart say, a competitor B's carburettor, they can reverse engineer it. There's nothing preventing them doing this, in reality, and no judge would hold this case up. Because there are _manufacturing_ considerations to making the carburettor. Exactly the same applies with software- you can see what it does, but you must still figure out how to "make" (pun intended
Ideologically, the argument challenges the ideals of free speech, freedom of information, and the ability to innovate on behalf of computer users, hardware engineers and software developers all over the planet.
Hmm, think you're pushing it a bit there about the whole planet. The USA is mostly a nice place, but there are other continents
Sadly, this is my impression of corporate America these days. If you can't win by market forces, crush them with your legal team.
There are a lot of sites that are mirroring [the code], and they'll keep the program alive. I'll sleep easy at night knowing I did my part."
Yep. And when one gets hit with the Cease & Desist, another will take it's place. I really hope this goes high profile. Once corporations get the message that when it comes to the net, winning in court is not absolute, then they may consider their legal actions more carefully. And I find it heartening (hey, I'm British, I always root for the underdog!
Another interesting point of this case is that anyone who linked to a site that contained the information is also being held liable in the case.
That scares the piss out of me. Where does it end? Say if I link to a site that links to a site with the contentious code, am I liable? Reminds me of a rhyme I was taught as a kid - "Big fleas have little fleas upon their back to bite them, little fleas have tiny fleas, and so ad infinitum...". Surely a judge somewhere _must_ realise the complete and utter stupidity of this... I think it's a plot by the lawyers... If they can sue everybody on the net, then everybody requires a lawyer...
Maybe the soothsayers are right... Maybe this is the armageddon coming for Y2K. A poor decision by the judge here could badly hurt the whole internet...
By the way, if you're wondering who this Emmett Plant bloke is (I doubt he's related to Egg Plant, but I bet he's heard that before...
Hackers aren't always male, either, you fumbduck. I used to work with an amazing hacker woman who frankly, would recompile your kernel any day... /. _does_ have a few female readers (hopefully more by the day), I though it would be nice for them to have a laugh at a N&P post...
Although having said that, I'd say most trolls _are_ male.....
And seeing that
Hmm, thanks for the info. But what happens when they run out of characters? Move onto "Mars Attacks"? :)
I'd rather believe that Zappa was giving a helping hand.... Please name the next Debian release "Muffin" after Zappa's classic "Muffin Man" track... If you've not heard it, do you yourself a favour & go buy it... Perfect after a night on the sesh!!!
Hmmm, I'm more of a naked NP / MLM sort of chap... And I also would much prefer to leave out the "petrified" bit, being more of a fan of "oiled and breathless with anticipation", hehehehe :) :)
But in the interests of equality, and dare I say it; humour, I felt this had to be posted...
As far as "up all night", do you mean recompiling Linux on a slow machine?
Surely this is a cue for some troll out there to start posting
MIGUEL DE ICAZA NAKED AND PETRIFIED!!!
Watch the humour deficient moderators pull this one down...
Ah well, karma is like a hurried lover... It comes, and goes...
Debian actually has the largest market share now. It just does not have the hype :(
Umm, proof, please? I would be convinced if you'd either post a link, or failing that, a large cheque... Damn, I've been working in the City too long...
Umm, a release named "potato"? Pleeeeease!!! /. to provide me with an example to the contrary! :)
History repeats itself. Does no-one remember the potato blight which killed millions in Ireland all those years ago? It was due to the practice of splitting seed potatoes in two to increase crops - once the disease took hold, there was insufficient genetic mutation in the crops to provide resilience against this sort of thing. Still, it did have an upside... A lot of Irish emigrated elsewhere, which is why there's always an Irish pub in most cities (and I challenge
I do find it worrying, though, that all the Irish pubs around here are all advertising "good craic"..... Craic detroys lives, just say no!
And what the hell is woody all about? I know we're nerds, but I think it a little odd to say "I just gave my computer a woody"...
Where on earth do they get their release naming conventions, anyway? Is the ghost of Frank Zappa alive and well, and using Linux? Can we look forward to a "Moon Unit 4" Slackware release soon?
Nice one. The OSS "movement" needs high profile stuff like this. Corporate bigwigs _like_ this sort of thing. Anything that can legitimise Open Source in the eyes of the business world can only be a good thing. And it's a breath of fresh air to read about a computing event that's not totally full of FUD... Anybody notice that the FUD is beginning to fly even more thickly of late?
Confused over your use of "satyr"... Did you mean satire? Or was it a pun? (Satyr being some Greek god or devil or something, I don't really remember much except he has always portrayed in statues as being hung like a donkey, and was perpetually in a state of sexual arousal...
Hehehe kinda like trying to rob a gunshop, really :)
But so far, everyone who's been shafted has called for restraint from the community... Wonder how long this will last?
if Micros~1 should pick up say, GCC and put a major part of it into the next VC++
:) is ask "what else is out there like this?". Only, they can do a good deal more than just feature analysis on GPL'ed code. So the techies go and download gcc source, and take it apart. Then they'll pull out all of the best bits and make the techniques work for them. And with the whole closed source kept under wraps until a Judge orders otherwise, you're never going to know that they ripped your code.
How do you know they haven't already? Or any other big company out there? (#include "stddisclaimer.h" - I'm not accusing anybody, just supposing... God bless American lawyers...)
Every major corporation seemes to feel the need for large parasitic departments like Marketing. And one of the first things Marketing does (apart from enjoying the two drink minimum
I'd like to think that if company X liked, say the parser of gcc, they'd give the accredited author a call with their cheque books waiting. But I'm unfortunately not that naive. So, even worse, Joe Coder at company X paraphrases the gcc parser modules and his/her PHB's think he is the next programming guru. And the original programmer never gets his name accredited in the closed source - effectively depriving him of "payment" - ie a bit of respect from other coders.
That said, I love being able to see the code behind something cool I just downloaded. It's nice to be able to see how it's done correctly all the time. And I don't care how good a coder you are, if you think you've nothing left to learn by reading other's code then you've given up advancing your skillset.
Hehehe!!! Boy, I wish I was in that class!!!
I can picture me in the labs at 4am, playing Q1 and about to get kicked out by the sysadmin.... "But I'm still testing!!!"
You silly arse. Go look up the definition of "humour".
few aspiring programmers can take all of that code and begin development on some true Virtual Reality software
Try Crystal Space
Yep. But the barely computer literate PHB's and AOL users will see it and make analogies with cars 'horsepower etc... It's "got more MHz, Elmer, it must be faster!!!"
The public is, in general, getting more techno-savvy. However, as this proves, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. And by the time your PHB's actually know what a superscalar pipeline is, we'll be getting into some seriously weird new stuff...
suddenly people will be writing code for one distribution that will absolutely NOT work on any other
:) and getting into Linux by night / weekend. I don't have time or inclination to do much more than that; there's too much to get my head around and frankly too much coding can kill you. I don't have time to play with *BSD distributions. :). It's hard enough as it is, without having to get into other OS's as well. But when I get something together that's worth letting other people see, I will GPL it, and publish it on my website. And if someone wants to use it on *BSD, they're welcome to take my code, and get it to run on their box, it they think it's a useful tool. That's the power of the GPL, IMHO...
Well, this will happen. I'm a Win32 coder by day (oh, the shame, this will be instant Score : -1 Troll
That said, I do play at coding under Linux (port scanning stuff at the minute hehehe
I was a claymation man with three fingers and no neck running through a swamp full of giant malevolent animated tupperware :)
Don't fear the household products any more!!! Give up the 10 tabs of LSD before bed, and you'll be fiiine!
I'm surprised that GritsBoy hasn't yet posted something along the lines of :
Hey, everybody! I've just created a new lifeform! I poured a bowl of hot grits down my pants (mmmm mmmm!) just after I'd had a tug!!!
Because of the mmmm delicious, tasty and nutritious nature of grits, my little DNA swimmers mutated into a new life form!!! And boy, they just love grits too!!!
Uhm.. let me think now...
There is no difference. Only I don't know of any C compiler that compiles to assembler - they normally compile to machine code, which is very different to assembler.
No compiler is perfect. I think we can accept that as a given. Sometimes you need to debug the output of the compiler to see what's going on. So you've got machine written C compiled into machine code. Debug that, then! Oh yeah, Eiffel & OO weenies can't get that close to the metal...
As far as reliability of software, what do you really think the problem is? Is it crap CS people, or the ridiculous pressures placed on them by PHB's to deliver?
Take WinNT. Thousands of developers, goes down more often that a £10 whore. Because the PHB's say deliver, deliver, deliver the next version ASAP. Then look at Linux. No presures to get it out the door quickly, just get it out the door _right_.