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ATI Rage Fury MAXX Review
Johan Jonasson writes "There's an excellent review of the ATI Rage Fury MAXX over at Tom's Hardware. For those unfamiliar with the product it's a monster graphics board with two Rage 128 PRO chips, each with isolated 32MBs of memory per chip which adds up to 64MB on one board. There's another review of the same board at Sharky Extreme. I've got to get me one of these. "
Okay, not interleaving scanlines.. Frame interleaving?
either way, it simply looks like two-cards-on-one. No real forward progress, for me.
.. course, I'm also waiting for the fscking Guillemot Prophet DDRs (geForce) to hit the shelves locally.. hardware t&l... *sigh*
(pirst fost?)
-'fester
Dare I say no?
But does it have the same quality as the geforce?
TnL What more can I say? Oh, maybe: Voodoo5
I am, therefore you think.
ATI just really REALLY blows chunks, IMO. They've got the goofiest named video cards and ads and keep releasing junk with extra features that no one really needs. I think of them as a budget Matrox. Maybe if this card is 'all that' then they might improve their rep a bit.
From the Sharky review:
As the Rage Fury MAXX is meant for gamers, ATi has written drivers for Windows 98 only. While we'd agree that most gamers don't run NT4, it will be interesting to see the impact Windows 2000 has on the gaming community. Other then that, Linux users will have to look elsewhere and Win 3.x users should definitely think about upgrading.
When will these people learn???? Sounds like a nice card, but I'm certainly not in the market for Windows-only hardware.How about a release of the tech. specs so we can write our own driver and make it GPL?
-Vel
Why is this news? Lots of video cards have been reviewed before but was never news on slashdot.
Am I missing something here or is this just a slow news day?
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
I already read both reviews a week ago...
As far as I can remember both articles mentioned that for online-gamers the card would have a slight delay because of the dual-cpu design.
It said something about rendering twice as slow as a nVidia GeForce but made up speed by rendering each frame on the idle cpu. So frame one would be rendered by CPU1, frame two by CPU2, frame 3 by CPU1 and so on...
Anyway, what they said was that if you would have a framerate of 50 frames/sec that would give you on a normal nVidia a time difference between an action (movement, shooting and stuff) and rendering of the actual frame about 0.02 seconds. Giving the ATI has dual-CPU it takes about 0.04 seconds to render.
According to Sharkeyextreme you would certainly "feel" the difference.
Anyway, another reason why I personally would prefer nVidia is because of their good native openGL support.
- Artificial Intelligence usually beats real stupidity -
After reading the review and seeing the benchmarks on Toms Hardware page, this board BITES. It's slower than the G400, TNT2, and GeForce256 for the most part. Why did they bother releasing it?
1) No Linux drivers, win98 only.
2) Great DVD BUT no TV output.
3) Slower frames/s than GeForce and marginally better than TNT2 Ultra for some games.
Seems enough for me to leave it alone for a while.
Do really dense people warp space more than others?
That's a sure sign of a weak card. When you have to put 2 of your best chips in one card to equal the competition, that just means you have a real shoddy chip. I don't see a big performance increase gained over its competition. I'm sure Matrox can put 2 G400 chips on the same board and kill ATi on performance.
I run all of my games in NT. I don't buy things without NT support.
Why are you talking about a card that has no linux drivers. The company has made it a point to just support linux enough to barely use the card. The 3d support for the Rage Fury chipset period isn't even finished yet. Why bother? I will never buy another ATI card again. Hell, I would of been rid of the card if SuSe didn't release a free X server for it. Enough ranting
In simple, why support something that you can't use? Yeah "you gotta get one of those" but what are you gonna do with it? The holidays are over so hanging it on your tree as an ornament would be rather redundant.
And furthermore, I'm quite upset. I've spent my life trying to create a race of fast breeding midgets to sell as slaves on the black market. But the Chinese beat me to it.
I would love to tell you the real story here but I don't think these hardware companies would appreciate it
Tom lost all my respect. And if you feel you need to read the surrounding text, look at the URL below. Wow. http://www6.tomshardwar e.com/graphic/99q4/991230/fury-14.html
Sosumi. just kidding. DONT!
Is it just me, or is it *EVERYTIME* a new graphics board comes out everyone is like "I've gotta get one of these." Exactly how much video processing power do most people need. I have an ATI All-in-Wonder Pro (AGP) with a VooDoo II Add-on. Quake runs fine. :)
--Evan
3dfx is releasing the Voodoo5 6000 later this spring. It's a 128-bit/128Mb card with video out, unlike the ATI card. It won't ship with drivers for anything but Microsoft, but have hope.
I stole this sig from a more creative user.
I've lost large amounts of work due to Rage DLL (ATI video card driver) crashes (Blue screens) under NT4, both on a Dell Inspiron 7000 series laptop, and a Dell Dimension XPST500 desktop.
I would not recommend anyone purchase an ATI card.
Other posters have already commented that ATI has no plans to release the card's specifications to enable a Free driver...
...and I have no reason to doubt that this new card will be as bug ridden as its predecessors.
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Many people are complaining about the lack of Linux support. Don't feel too bad, linux types. The drivers for the current Rage Fury for windows are crap. Pitiful quality. I'd LOVE to get rid of my Rage Fury due purely to the unacceptable quality of the drivers, but I'm a bit short on cash at the moment.
Basically, you have 2 driver options for the Rage Fury: 1) release drivers, which are slower than old people fucking, or 2) beta drivers, which are faster, but ridiculously buggy. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Don't bother emailing ATI for Linux drivers. They aren't worth having. Except for you poor souls who bought Rage Furies. (my condolences to you all)
Theres a lot of power in that there card.... maybe in 2 or 3 years Linux will support it and have semi-decent 3D drivers!
How much were you paid to post this crap up here? If I wanted to read about HARDWARE REVIEWS, I would go to a HARDWARE REVIEW (read: commercial) site.
Kindly do not defile Slashdot with this tripe.
"We apologize for the inconvenience."
"It offers instant gratification for the games that are out now. When T&L-enabled titles start hitting the shelves later in 2000, ATi's next generation chip should be ready for them." - Sharky Extreme
This review seems almost as biased as the last one based on the board before it was released. Do they think that nVidia will be sitting around and not have something better by the time ATi release their next generation chip? If I'm going to spend upwards of $250 on a graphics card, I don't want to be shelling out for another card later in the year to get the new features. Stupid reviewer! The ATi card is no cheaper than the geForce DDR, but with lower performance and fewer features. It's obvious which card to get when chosing between the two. Besides, who cares about the hi-res results: no serious gamer would play at 1280x1024, the framerate is half what I consider the miniumum for games like Quake 3 - where the difference between 50 and 60 fps is noticeable, let alone playing at 30 fps! - and with Quake 2 I would suggest that there is no need to go to resolutions above 640x480 or 800x600 as there is no real gain.
The cheapest Creative Labs 3D Blaster Annihilator Pro (geForce DDR) is available for $233, according to computers.com (can't find the MAXX yet):
Creative Labs 3D Blaster Annihilator Pro, sorted by price
There's a few problems with this card.
Some people have raised the concern that there will be an additional latency in first person shooters that some gamers would notice, since it's rendering the next frame ahead before it displays when you haven't hit the key to decide your actions in that frame yet. Maybe not noticable to some people but for the hard core gamer....
The Voodoo2 SLI and multichip Voodoo4/5 cards don't have this problem because they render portions of the same frame.
It's also very inefficient to have 32 MB per chip rather than a shared 64MB pool.
You're better off going for a Voodoo5 if you want the absolute highest fill rate or a GeForce DDR if you want maximum geometry throughput.
Seems to be a lot of ATI slamming going on. I for one know that ATI has NEVER made the fastest card in the market (although their marketing department seems to think so).
But, I do have an ATI AIW 128 (not Pro). Boy is it nice to watch TV, or record a TV magazine for later. Its nice to be able to broadcast video in netmeeting or CUSeeMe. Its nice to be able to do all of this on one board. I have OpenGL driver support (even in NT!). I have DirectX support. It compensates DVD playback. Its a very well rounded board. And what's more, I get very decent game play at 32bit (whereas most traditional 3D boards cringe at 32-bit color and stick to 16-bit).
Now, there were two ways to proceed in enhancing game performance:
GeForce did one and ATI did the other. The reviews I've seen place them very close. No which one of these guys will figure out how to use TWO T&L chips first?
Anyways, I just wanted to point out that ATI is most prominently a marketing company selling to an OEM market. And they're doing a DAMN GOOD job at that. Their boards are not the best, but they're certainly far from the worst.
anybody who follows 'gaming' hardware knows that the rage 128 chipset was a failure in almost every aspect. every rage 128-based video card was a piece of garbage, imacs and g3 that shipped with rage chips blew major chunks, and you knew carmack tried to squeeze blood from a rock when he tried the best he could to get quake running with decent performance on imacs and g3s.
in short, the rage chipset is a poor performer. slapping two of these guys on a single card may be a good way for ati to get rid of these chips, but it does not make a good video card.
comments welcome. game junkie at the wheel.
Their drivers would be closed source! A pax upon them! The Open Source community has done such a bust-ass job putting out drivers for advanced 3D accelerator so far I'm sure its only... what's that? Oh, someone just told me about the current state of 3D accelerators under Linux... sorry boys, I guess you'll just have to find something else to accelerate Quake3... being as its the only remotely recent game Linux supports (if in a completely crippled way)
Let me get this straight; The card ONLY works in win98, doesn't have native OpenGL support, has a SLOW framerate, and it's ungodly expensive... Boy, sounds like a real winner to me. Why don't we all just go buy some old Cirrus chips, put 50 of them on a board, and sell it. Oh yeah..
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There was never a genius without a tincture of madness.
Sure, you can buy a MAXX product for $200~250 and have yourself a kick-ass video card. Or, you could shell out $200~300 for a GeForce-based card and get a kick-ass video card that might just have a longer lifetime in it.
S3's and nVidia's new chipsets support hardware transformation and lighting--done right on the video card, instead of the CPU (which would be software). 3dfx's and ATI's new products don't. Now, it depends on game developer's support for this new technology, but chances are good that many games in the coming couple years will count on offloading these calculations to the video card in hardware T&L enabled cards. If that happens, then owners of these cards will experience serious performance boosts or be able to run games their non-T&L-card-owning bethren can't.
Don't be fooled by the 64 Megs of RAM on the MAXX, either. It doesn't increase the total textures the card can handle, because each chip has to keep track of (almost) all the textures simultaneously. The RAM on this video card is not a particular selling point compared to other 32M cards.
One point ATI might be able to score on is price. The MAXX is expected to retail for less than GeForce products, and may offer a better deal. Only time and the market will tell.
Of course, MAXX products will really succeed in the OEM market, where ATI's strength is. And when (if) this technology gets ported to the Mac, it'll be a major boon to Mac gaming. Given ATI's current stranglehold on the Mac 3D video card market, I expect this card will find it's way there soon enough.
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Face it. The thing blow like a cheap 42nd street hooker. (no offense to anyone)
My G400 Has only one processor... guess what?
It Can do dual display, TV Out, And support for flat-panels.
And Even More: It's FASTER, and It can be overclocked. ATI Has always been a dissapointment.
And why is it Furry?
Whats the point? Dual processor graphics cards?? I don't get it. I get 55 frames per second in Forsaken. Not exactly impressive but it is easily enough for decent gameplay. My hardware: K6-2 450, 32MB RAM, Diamond Monster Fusion AGP. Not very heany duty hardware. Yet it will play anything acceptably well, and when I get a new 64MB module will be more than enough. But maybe my memories of the time when a gamer debated whether to go for the excellent resolution of Hercules mono or the 4 colors of CGA, and when you wondered who would really need one disk to hold 1.44MB, affects my views of minimum vs. excessive computer power.
Is there a "beginner's guide to video cards" anywhere on the 'net? I seriously don't understand the profusion of card types out there and I need to get something I can import/export video with.
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Sorry, dude, no love from the moderators, I would've given you mad points. I liked it though, it's much better than the crap those first post morons put up. Maybe you should try for an open source first post, but I won't tell you how to do your thing.
Why on earth is that post - a reasonable summary of the two articles - moderated DOWN as a troll?
Hoping to meet you in a dark metamoderation alleyway....I agree the moderation seems to have been done by one of the AC idiots on this one. The post was certainly not a troll. Redundant I could understand, but not troll.
I really would like to know why the person submitting was so excited by this card.
Do really dense people warp space more than others?
Is it just me, or has Sharky been infected with the "suck up to our advertisers" disease that hit Tom a while back? Get this quote from here:
Well, excuse me, since ATI has thrown two chips at the problem compared with one for the NVidia card, I would expect the words "raw power" to be applied to the GeForce. On top of that, he says that the ATI card "almost overtakes" the GeForce DDR; the framerate differences between the ATI and the SDR card on the three tests on this page were 0.4 FPS, 0.1 FPS and 0.4 FPS again, whereas the gaps between the ATI and the DDR card were, respectively, 5 FPS, 5.4 FPS and 5.1 FPS. Since we're talking about a nearly 20% difference in F/R between the ATI and the DDR cards, his comments strike me as being just this side of dishonest. He then goes on to say that the DDR GeForce card has better bandwidth and T&L, as if NVidia were cheating or something.
If you look at the tests, many of them show the ATI card getting its ass well and truly kicked by the GeForce cards, sometimes by margins of 100% or more, yet Sharky skims by these figures as if they were of little importance, even though he's the one who did the tests. Faugh. Show us your list of advertisers, Sharky.
for that price,
lay low for a couple of months,
and buy yourself a Playstation 2
J.
(s)/he is constantly choosing Windows-only stories
that are irrelevant to Windows users.
Is there a way to filter out all Hemos stories?
He is WAY worse than Katz.
(oops minor mistake in last pizost)
(s)/he is constantly choosing Windows-only stories
that are irrelevant to Linux users.
Is there a way to filter out all Hemos stories?
He is WAY worse than Katz.
with the emergence of these new incredible graphics sets, Linux is taking the 3D world by storm. Nothing SGI produces or has produced can stand up to the amazing power and display capabilities these cards offer.
we work on an onyx2 IR2 at work, its one of the most pathetic graphics machines ever made. my TNT2 smokes it nightly (i get over 40 fps more on quake2).
the fact is, hollywood, pixar etc will be using only Linux in all future endeavors. irix/mips is just behind the times and incapable of fostering cutting edge 3D modeling and animation. this is where linux 3d excels. Plus its Open Source.
Any hardware is crappy hardware if you don't have any good drivers for it. What's the word for linux drivers on that card ?
ATI seems to have a very definite anger in its product names.
*Rage* 128 *Fury* - whoa!
*Rage Pro* (how to be professionally mad?)
Is the next board going to be a buget version?: *Rage 128 Mildly-Upset*
And of course dont forget their next board:
*RAGE 256: HOMICIDAL MANIAC*
Ripping an new rectum in the fabric of spacetime.
As long as drivers are availible for Windows first, then other products later, the "lag" will lead to a general public perception that Linux is not as "well-supported" as Windows is - and they're right.
What we need is a public commitment by major companies to have Linux-ready drivers at the get-go. Preferrably open-source, but whatever tickles their whiskers... If they can't handle open-sourcing their drivers, then they can release binary only, and release specs on request for the hardware.
InThane
As others have said, hardware reviews are really not something I go to Slashdot for, enough game/hardware sites out there to keep me informed of those. It's not even a revolutionary card either.
The PSX2 is set for a Christmas 2000 release in the US, Spring in Japan. I could wait "a couple months", but what good is a game if I can't read what it says? And even so, a PSX2 is not going to make Drakan or any of the other pc games I play run any quicker, until the software is available for it.
But I agree. The PSX2 is going to kick severely large ammounts of ass. And I'd rather shell out for a Geforce now anyway
Bad things often happen to good people,
It is up to them to see that they remain good.
if you're bored and you don't read at -1, you HAVE to read the comment this is in reference to. It's pretty funny, if you've ever found a troll funny (I personally do sometimes).
;-) And of course this is only good until the moderators wipe this away too . . . at least some funny points to the original, k? :-)
my lame ass attempt at a public service announcement
Bad things often happen to good people,
It is up to them to see that they remain good.
*sigh* Here's a clue for you, oh clueless one. slashdot != Linux-only.
My ground-burrowing spider-moles were obsoleted just last year by a Lithuanian smackdown syndicate. It ruined my day.
Considering that between him and Gareth Hughes, there's pretty much an alpha driver for the Rage PRO available for the brave at heart to play Q3 and other OpenGL games on. He doesn't like the chip much (seems it's still missing some things- but you apparently can get by with it) but they've gotten the framerates close to what a G200 does right now. We're going to clean it up and use that driver as a reference Utah-GLX driver because it's the cleanest one to date. Shortly, you can expect a RAGE 128 driver to pop up (Beings that they've given a hell of a lot more info for it to us...).
It's not so much the chips themselves but the drivers that make the chipsets worse than they actually are. Yes, the ATI offerings are nowhere near as good as the Matrox, NVidia, etc. offerings- but they're everywhere, cheap, and are serviceable. As for this card, we'll have support for the basic configuration shortly- all we need for the full support is the info to interlace them from ATI.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Man, I'd love to see a Beowulf cluster of these things. But, the most important question, does it run Linux??
then again, to make real use of a good machine, you need a real operating system, and this card can only run with win98?
it's a start, but it definately needs work.
miskam evets
NVidia's not given out anything (honestly now, an obfuscated source of a driver layer is nothing compared to the technical specs and register level information of the chip) compared to Matrox, 3DfX, or ATI. If you don't want to give money to ATI, spend it on Matrox or 3DfX at this point. The GeForce isn't supported under 3D- the others are right now.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
My experiences with ATI cards (except for a stone old Mach32 which works fine since a few years) were all not quite pleasant. Compatibility issues (mostly Gl-wise), bad performance compared to other products and now I should buy a double whopper with only Windows as supported OS... no thanks! I'll stay with nVidia - this GeForce is running soo nice, fast and smooth in my new Athlon PC.
Speakng in terms of the review this one was better than most. I think that is the first review I have read in a long while that pretty much does a comprehensive review of other video cards. Mentioning key things you will want to know when it comes time to buy one. The graphs that showed all of the other video boards were awesome. It is great they showed cards llike the G400 and the TNTUltra. 'these'. Are the real benchmarks. How fast it can run quake. not how well a company can rig a program or driver to smoke a 3D Benchmark program. Well.. If you are interested in video cards go read it its good stuff.
I like the Anandtech review as well.
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Pablo Nevares, "the freshmaker".
ATI's All in Wonder has probably got to be the best all around card you can buy. However ATI hasn't clued into the fact that a lot people don't like windows and won't buy their cards without drivers. I recently bought a TNT2 for a new system for this very reason.
This thing isnt much better than my current Voodoo 3 card. 500 megapixels fill-rate? hrmph...3DFX is coming out with Voodoo 5 this summer....1,333 megapixel fill-rate. Muhahahahaha
They've always been super duper weak as a gaming card. They're the Ford Pinto of video cards. I bought a ATI Rage Pro and man did I get screwed. I've seen turtles draw out screens faster than that. The g200 and the TNT (to say nothing of the TNT2) blasted that piece of garbage right out of the water. I cried, oh man did I cry.
Comon, I can see why companies would make linux drivers for video cards (such as Nvidia and others) because some of their cards can be used as workstations under linux or just so the claim can be made that "we have drivers for linux". Now, the person who bitches about linux drivers I have one question for you. How many games(currently released in the past couple months) are for linux that can be used with the Rage Fury Maxx? Two. The Geforce (which I own) doesn't have drivers out for linux but am I going to tear my hair out? NO! Because there are hardly any games for linux that would want to make me switch. So next time someone bitches about linux support for a 3d gaming card.. think!!
Don't go here
Win98 won't even support SMP, and there's no linux drivers. This is just an attempt to get into the highend video card market with a bad chip. It's like building a dual processor computer using Winchips while your competitors are making them out of PIII/Athlons. Sure, it sounds impressive, dual chips, wow, but it's still old tech masquerading as high tech.
I have found that ATI had been making dumpier and dumpier products as the years have past, but more important is their attitude:
A good while ago I purchased an ATI All In Wonder card (ASIDE: DON'T DO THIS, THE ALL IN WONDER CARDS ARE THE WORST YOU WILL FIND *ANYWHERE*. ABSOLUTLY HORRIBLE.) I looked for support under X (for the TV functions) but found that there were none. I checked around and found out that loads of other people were writing ATI for the specs and the ATI people were, literally in some cases, telling them to fuck off. I wrote them several times with no responses. Finally, on the 5th try I got a VERY nasty message back saying that I was waisting their time and that the open source market was of no interest to them.
I will never buy an ATI product again (unless they do somthing like donate $1Ms to FSF, fat chance). I advise you not to buy their products either.
However, faulting a company releasing a graphics card right now without a Linux driver is a bit unfair. Lets wait until XFree4 is widely available (at which point Linux will finally have something like a standard 3D driver system) before we bash anyone for lack of drivers, and this includes NVidia, 3DFX, etc as well as ATI.
pax == peace I think you meant 'pox'
THE FAT-TIME CHARLIE ONLINE SERIAL IS NOW LIVE!!!! WITH AN ALL NEW EPISODE!!!!!!!
thank you.
http://www.ars-technica.com/
http://www.anandtech.com/
http://www.firingsquad.com/
All of these sites occasionally do exhaustive introductory articles, and even if you can't find exactly what you're looking for, you'll probably still learn a lot from their tangential remarks etc. (kinda like the LDP).
Ars-Technica also has a number of discussion forums that might be able to give you a hand.
Ok, there is somehting wrong when you have more VIDEO RAM than SYSTEM RAM!!! Yeah, I'll just set up my VIDEO CARD as a SWAP FILE!!! Jeez. 80x25 all the way :-)
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I am beginning to believe there were external forces that helped this product get promoted on Slashdot.
All you need to do is skip ahead in the reviews to the benchmarks and you can quickly determine this product is a dual POS. This is obviously not a normal Slashdot news item, so I am led to the conclusion something else is going on behind the scenes.
What did it take to buy Slashdot's integrity? Money, hardware or prostitutes?
I found the quote. Weird thing to say. It
sounds above like he doesn't know what's going
on, then he sais that he wants to tell but he
cant.
I've been dissapointed in toms sight lately, not
really because he's arogant, or has 10 banner
adds on his homepage (though that doesn't help).
The sight has just dried up. The reviews are
too slow, too late, and too few and far between.
There's too many other good sights to read now
and his isn't at the cutting edge anymore.
I read about the MAXX somewhere else before I
read Toms.
His bread and butter was the Celeron overclocking
stuff that he covered and now there's not a
peep about overclocking the P3-x5x0E's. He
did some really good stuff but he's been slipping
lately.
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We have reached a sort of plateau in computer game graphics: we can squeeze X triangles on the screen in any one frame (around 10K, given q3a's r_speeds), and render them damn fast. The problem is, the CPU is still doing the T&L in most cases, and that puts two limits on current games:
1. We can't have any more than X triangles per frame, limiting geometric complexity.
2. Nearly all (90%) of the computing power is going toward rendering, leaving precious little left for AI, physics, or anything else.
The future is obviously in cards with T&L, and it will become clear in the next year that games that expect a T&L card will run MUCH faster. With a T&L engine, we can now fit many more tris on the screen (5x? 10x?) at the nearly the same frame rates. We can also have much more complex worlds.
So while the MAXXXXX might be ok for now, it will lose out to the GeForce. Maybe not today, but it will. While most companies are pushing fill rate to beyond the max (1600x1200 at 120 fps? who needs that?), the geforce is the only card that will could run Myst in real time at 60 fps.
For $270 of *my* dollars, I'd rather spend $20 more and get a GeForce-DDR card - creative, diamond, and guillemot all make fantastic solutions that blow the pants off the performance of ATI's unspectacular MAXX.
They messed up, basically... they find a hard time beating TNT2 Ultra cards, which run $100 cheaper and are well established (with good OpenGL)...
Not too mention their lame driver support right now, versus nVidia's solid existing drivers, their commitment to driver optimizations, and their production of stable cards...
the only thing GeForce is weak at is it's relatively slow SDRAM (only 150MHz) and its slim memory interface (64Mbit).
An intelligent consumer would skip the ATIRage Fury MAXX (and the new S3) and go with a good TNT2 Ultra or shell out the big bucks for the GeForce-DDR.
End of story.
Let's see here:
OS supported: Win9x. Win9x. and Win9x. Not even NT/Win2K.
No T&L, and no fancy VSA-100 effects. You're gonna be suffering on slower CPUs. While it doesn't suck, it doesn't offer anything over the GeForce cards. And it costs too much in that respect, too.
I defy any of you to look at two machines side-by-side running exactly the same game/demo and tell me which one is doing 50fps, and which one is doing 60fps. (Bonus points if you can explain where those extra frames go while the wait for the monitor to refresh.)
hey, it's an ATI product
IT IS CRAP!!!
What's with these idiotic macho names that video cards have these days? "Rage Fury Max Extreme, D00D!" Are these computer hardware or skateboards? Oh well, I guess their primary target market is the same: 12 year old testosterone-poisoned boys....
I can't remember the exact benchmark numbers as I got one second hand, but I remember my ATI Graphics Pro Turbo. It was freakin' fast(TM)(C). It was the one with the Mach64 GX with 4mb VRAM, and at the time, that was a bunch, and the standard was real-slow dram, 1 or 2 MB.
Yes, yes, it's a really old card. But it was The-Sh*t in its day!
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I think that scary undertaker guy from Phantasm beat you to it, except his came from dead bodies.
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I thought I explained to you that in terms of real time 3d geometry the onyx2 is better. Don't forget the onyx2 is a few years older. Its *NOT* all about fill rates.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
3dfx as lost the plot, they can afford shit hot hardware and massive hardware engineering with hightech chips, but their software programmers are still living in the 80s, total crap!
if they can afford million adds and designs, $300,000 can buy you a good software team to write working drivers for Mac/Win/Linux/BeOS
Those guys are clueless.
Typical of todays hardware companies, using good hardware engineers to write their drivers which are buggy and only for one OS.
Why wait 6-9months for a linux driver when by then the card is obselete andyou can buy a better one.
For me, car games MUST be 1024, the extra resolution is ideal for viewing cards in the distance as real cards not 1 or 2 pixels of crap.
Nah, we need true RAYTRACING hardware, give the chips their coords/lites etc, and make it raytrace the world in 25ms @1024
in au, $550
"It's also very inefficient to have 32 MB per chip rather than a shared 64MB pool"... This may seem to be very inefficient, but if you use a single pool vs. two seperate pools, you have a greater chance for errors (such as accesing the wrong mem addresses or overwriting the wrong mem addresses.) Since the two chips are processing indepently of each other already, why pool what you have to divide anyway?
their shitty products drive me to rage fury