It's always worth remembering that North Korea's leadership has a special kind of evil ruthless madness to it that has resulted in them painting themselves into a corner, and China has been willing to give them security guarantees. It is sort of like an excerpt from the plans for World War 1.
If the hijackers die that means the bomb(s) has gone off which means that the pilot is probably dead too, and/or the plane has taken serious damage which will likely lead to a crash. Plenty of hijackers over the years have been willing to do that. Plane crashes have a tendency to kill most if not all of the passengers. And you count that as success? You're defending an absurd position. Or do you have something to add?
Try these: Red Wing Shoes. Comfortable and durable. I've had them resole some in the past. Some of them make for very good walking shoes - like 10-20 miles / day.
In 1941 something like 40,000 people died on the highways and yet the US went to war with Japan due to a trifling 3,000 casualties at Peal Harbor. According to your reasoning that shouldn't have happened. It appears to me that there is something defective in your approach, and in your thinking on this matter. Apparently you think it is patriotic to allow mass murder of your countrymen by foreign forces, and doing nothing. How is that patriotic? The long tradition of the United States has been summed up as, "millions for defense, but not one penny for tribute." Would you see that reversed?
What are all of these rights you claim are being given up? Did someone take away your right to vote, or go to church?
It's not a hijacking if the bomb is on the aircraft.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Yes, it is a hijacking if the bomb is on the aircraft. The bomb is used as a threat to coerce the pilot to fly the plane to the intended destination. Since there have been examples of hijackings since 9/11 in which the plane was diverted, it appears the assumption you claim is not universal.
If by "end of life as we know it" you mean "another round of them being provocative to get attention and remain in the news" or "more talks of sanctions and deals" then.... yes, life as we know it is going to totally end...and by end, I mean not change one bit.
And by not changing one bit you assume that it is not possible for a North Korean instigated military confrontation, like the ship they torpedoed several years ago, or another missile launch over Japan going awry, could spiral out of control leading to an exchange of nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula, North Korean nuclear strikes against both Japan and American forces in Japan, the intervention of China to prevent the collapse of North Korea? And if we're lucky, the Chinese intervention doesn't involve nuclear weapons, including a nuclear attack against the US as advocated by high ranking Chinese military officials in recent years? If the nukes start flying between the US and China, would the Chinese government possibly decide to take out the last remnants of the former government of China, the Republic of China, which has only had control of the Chinese province of Taiwan since it effectively lost the Chinese civil war? After all, with Chinas recent moves toward a market economy the mainland could fit in under the Republic of China's government if the Communist government were decapitated. I'm pretty sure that a series of nuclear weapons going off in South Korea, North Korea, Japan, the US, China, and Taiwan could at least alter life as we know if, or "end it" depending on the definition of that. Hey look! Nuclear Winter! Hmm, climate change just got another thing to incorporate into the model. The Russians, what will they be doing at this time? In the late 1960s the Soviet Union approached the US to see if it would acquiesce to a Soviet attack on China to destroy its nuclear program. The US said, "no." If the nukes are flying, would the Chinese send a few Russia's way? Would Russia decide there is no time like now to finish things with China? If China attacks Russia, would Russia only attack China, or would it send a few towards Europe and the US? The Russians have already threatened nuclear attacks against the NATO missile shield against Iran. China and India are already engaged in a military confrontation. Does something happen there? Pakistan and India are bitter enemies, and both are nuclear armed. Pakistan is an ally of China, and playing a double game, both for and against the US in Afghanistan. An enormous web of possibilities. But I suppose a wave of the hand will always do here: this is not the conflict you're looking for, forget all about it, nothing will happen or change. Life as you know it will continue, there is no threat. Not even of plague.
Sorry, but all that does is change the strategy for the attack. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the 9/11 hijackers picked nearly empty flights partially as a means to help maintain better control during the hijacking until they could hit their targets. Without that requirement they could simply pick 4 full flights on large aircraft, such as a 747, and kill 2,000 people if they can take down the aircraft. That would be 2/3 of the body count of 9/11. Some of the plots that have been interrupted have had a goal of taking down as many as 10 aircraft in one attack. So I don't think your plan is going to work. Besides, no real budget or technology is required to cut the deaths by automobile accident. All you need to do is drop the sleep limit to ~ 20 MPH / 30 KPH and the rate will plummet. I doubt that will happen. Some other proposals that people have here are about equally as likely.
That is ridiculous. A credible threat of a bomb on board is still going to pose the same threat that it ever did, and plenty of aircraft have been hijacked on that basis.
To be fair, it wasn't just for not being Bush. Obama's prize was a Peace prize, so it was for not being Bush in specific ways regarding military conflict. I think there can be only one correct reply to that.
President Carter's reputation was enhanced on leaving office for two reasons: First, he engaged in various humanitarian efforts that were worthy. Second, having left office he was no longer in a position to make poor policy decisions for the country. He has been damaging his legacy of late with a variety of outrageous statements.
how a prize named after Andrei Sakharov is gonna go over with Snowden's landlord, a veteran of the KGB that tormented Andrei Sakharov.
He'll grin and bear it. Just the public revelations about the NSA, GCHQ, and other allied intelligence services and their operations has been priceless to the Russians, not to mention the Chinese, Iranians, and terrorist groups (that are already changing their communications methods). If they manage to get their hands on some of the other documents that he stole* the value would be astronomical. And that is just the documents themselves, the political turmoil, infighting, and disruption add a whole new layer.
* Snowden apparently stole at least 70,000 documents just covering the British, some on Australia, and who knows how many on the US?
The actual trend is that there have been significant changes in the rates of hijacking, and you apparently don't know what the hell you're talking about.
In the mid-1960s there were only a handful of hijacking attempts, including several attempts to and from Cuba and some isolated hijackings in Hawaii, However,... the hijacking rate in the United States increased dramatically in 1968 and remained high through 1972, A similar increase occurred in hijacking attempts outside the United States. There were two peaks in the rate of U.S. hijacking activity during that period, one early in 1969 and one in 1972... The first peak consisted primarily of hijackings by individuals seeking transportation to Cuba, whereas the second consisted primarily of extortion attempts....
The hijacking rate in the United States began to decline in late 1972 and never again reached the high level of the period 1968-72. In the 10-year period 1973-82, there Was an average of only 9.3 hijacking attempts in the United States per year, compared with 29 attempts per year for 1968-72. Foreign hijackings also decreased after 1972, though not as sharply as U.S. hijackings.
And what is the "official" response for why Building 7 magically collapsed again?
It wasn't magic, it was physics. I suppose to some people it might seem like magic. I threw in a few extra links - figured they might be useful to you.
Slashdot Mirror
It's always worth remembering that North Korea's leadership has a special kind of evil ruthless madness to it that has resulted in them painting themselves into a corner, and China has been willing to give them security guarantees. It is sort of like an excerpt from the plans for World War 1.
If the hijackers die that means the bomb(s) has gone off which means that the pilot is probably dead too, and/or the plane has taken serious damage which will likely lead to a crash. Plenty of hijackers over the years have been willing to do that. Plane crashes have a tendency to kill most if not all of the passengers. And you count that as success? You're defending an absurd position. Or do you have something to add?
That isn't nearly enough.
Why North Koreans Were Kidnappers
Try these: Red Wing Shoes. Comfortable and durable. I've had them resole some in the past. Some of them make for very good walking shoes - like 10-20 miles / day.
In 1941 something like 40,000 people died on the highways and yet the US went to war with Japan due to a trifling 3,000 casualties at Peal Harbor. According to your reasoning that shouldn't have happened. It appears to me that there is something defective in your approach, and in your thinking on this matter. Apparently you think it is patriotic to allow mass murder of your countrymen by foreign forces, and doing nothing. How is that patriotic? The long tradition of the United States has been summed up as, "millions for defense, but not one penny for tribute." Would you see that reversed?
What are all of these rights you claim are being given up? Did someone take away your right to vote, or go to church?
Bin Laden, as head of al Qaida, declared war on the US in 1996. They attacked the US for years before the US took effective action.
The fact that hijackings continue to occur suggests that is nonsense.
It's not a hijacking if the bomb is on the aircraft.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Yes, it is a hijacking if the bomb is on the aircraft. The bomb is used as a threat to coerce the pilot to fly the plane to the intended destination. Since there have been examples of hijackings since 9/11 in which the plane was diverted, it appears the assumption you claim is not universal.
So you're concerned about "children, women and other civilians?"
I have some distressing news for you then.
Their nuclear program goes back at least to the 1960s.
If by "end of life as we know it" you mean "another round of them being provocative to get attention and remain in the news" or "more talks of sanctions and deals" then.... yes, life as we know it is going to totally end...and by end, I mean not change one bit.
And by not changing one bit you assume that it is not possible for a North Korean instigated military confrontation, like the ship they torpedoed several years ago, or another missile launch over Japan going awry, could spiral out of control leading to an exchange of nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula, North Korean nuclear strikes against both Japan and American forces in Japan, the intervention of China to prevent the collapse of North Korea? And if we're lucky, the Chinese intervention doesn't involve nuclear weapons, including a nuclear attack against the US as advocated by high ranking Chinese military officials in recent years? If the nukes start flying between the US and China, would the Chinese government possibly decide to take out the last remnants of the former government of China, the Republic of China, which has only had control of the Chinese province of Taiwan since it effectively lost the Chinese civil war? After all, with Chinas recent moves toward a market economy the mainland could fit in under the Republic of China's government if the Communist government were decapitated. I'm pretty sure that a series of nuclear weapons going off in South Korea, North Korea, Japan, the US, China, and Taiwan could at least alter life as we know if, or "end it" depending on the definition of that. Hey look! Nuclear Winter! Hmm, climate change just got another thing to incorporate into the model. The Russians, what will they be doing at this time? In the late 1960s the Soviet Union approached the US to see if it would acquiesce to a Soviet attack on China to destroy its nuclear program. The US said, "no." If the nukes are flying, would the Chinese send a few Russia's way? Would Russia decide there is no time like now to finish things with China? If China attacks Russia, would Russia only attack China, or would it send a few towards Europe and the US? The Russians have already threatened nuclear attacks against the NATO missile shield against Iran. China and India are already engaged in a military confrontation. Does something happen there? Pakistan and India are bitter enemies, and both are nuclear armed. Pakistan is an ally of China, and playing a double game, both for and against the US in Afghanistan. An enormous web of possibilities. But I suppose a wave of the hand will always do here: this is not the conflict you're looking for, forget all about it, nothing will happen or change. Life as you know it will continue, there is no threat. Not even of plague.
The figure that I quote has nothing to do with the wars that followed. That is purely a consequence of the attack.
Sorry, but all that does is change the strategy for the attack. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the 9/11 hijackers picked nearly empty flights partially as a means to help maintain better control during the hijacking until they could hit their targets. Without that requirement they could simply pick 4 full flights on large aircraft, such as a 747, and kill 2,000 people if they can take down the aircraft. That would be 2/3 of the body count of 9/11. Some of the plots that have been interrupted have had a goal of taking down as many as 10 aircraft in one attack. So I don't think your plan is going to work. Besides, no real budget or technology is required to cut the deaths by automobile accident. All you need to do is drop the sleep limit to ~ 20 MPH / 30 KPH and the rate will plummet. I doubt that will happen. Some other proposals that people have here are about equally as likely.
A meaningless change with the prospect of a bomb onboard the aircraft. What are hand grenades? Bombs.
That is ridiculous. A credible threat of a bomb on board is still going to pose the same threat that it ever did, and plenty of aircraft have been hijacked on that basis.
300,000 repairs? The man was a machine himself. RIP.
I wonder if he liked this?
The Typewriter for Orchestra, by Leroy Anderson
There may be growing interest in typewriters. Maybe they will be the office equipment analog to the return of vinyl records or vacuum tubes for music.
The Typewriter Movie trailer (In the 21st Century)
They could certainly still be handy to have around.
You've a brave person. Not many people admit to being commanists.
How times change.
Not really. There is a precedent, in fact, more than one. I'm sure I could find others.
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To be fair, it wasn't just for not being Bush. Obama's prize was a Peace prize, so it was for not being Bush in specific ways regarding military conflict. I think there can be only one correct reply to that.
Dr. Thomas Sowell on Intellectuals and Society
President Carter's reputation was enhanced on leaving office for two reasons: First, he engaged in various humanitarian efforts that were worthy. Second, having left office he was no longer in a position to make poor policy decisions for the country. He has been damaging his legacy of late with a variety of outrageous statements.
An interesting take on that.
how a prize named after Andrei Sakharov is gonna go over with Snowden's landlord, a veteran of the KGB that tormented Andrei Sakharov.
He'll grin and bear it. Just the public revelations about the NSA, GCHQ, and other allied intelligence services and their operations has been priceless to the Russians, not to mention the Chinese, Iranians, and terrorist groups (that are already changing their communications methods). If they manage to get their hands on some of the other documents that he stole* the value would be astronomical. And that is just the documents themselves, the political turmoil, infighting, and disruption add a whole new layer.
* Snowden apparently stole at least 70,000 documents just covering the British, some on Australia, and who knows how many on the US?
The actual trend is that there have been significant changes in the rates of hijacking, and you apparently don't know what the hell you're talking about.
The Contagiousness of Aircraft Hijacking
In the mid-1960s there were only a handful of hijacking attempts, including several attempts to and from Cuba and some isolated hijackings in Hawaii, However, ... the hijacking rate in the United States increased dramatically in 1968 and remained high through 1972, A similar increase occurred in hijacking attempts outside the United States. There were two peaks in the rate of U.S. hijacking activity during that period, one early in 1969 and one in 1972 ... The first peak consisted primarily of hijackings by individuals seeking transportation to Cuba, whereas the second consisted primarily of extortion attempts. ...
The hijacking rate in the United States began to decline in late 1972 and never again reached the high level of the period 1968-72. In the 10-year period 1973-82, there Was an average of only 9.3 hijacking attempts in the United States per year, compared with 29 attempts per year for 1968-72. Foreign hijackings also decreased after 1972, though not as sharply as U.S. hijackings.
And what is the "official" response for why Building 7 magically collapsed again?
It wasn't magic, it was physics. I suppose to some people it might seem like magic. I threw in a few extra links - figured they might be useful to you.
NIST Releases Final WTC 7 Investigation Report
World Trade Center Disaster Study
The Theory vs. the Facts
Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report