Its good to see a BSD release picking up another major instance of commercial use. One of the obstacles the BSDs have faced is mindshare. Linux has had such an overpowering presence in the free/open world that it often overshadows the BSDs. That plays out in the commercial software that is available. If you look at high end vendor software, such as Oracle or other databases, or CAD tools, it is pretty rare to see much released for anything except Red Hat, or maybe Suse Linux. But getting the BSDs out where users are aware of it will definitely help.
This will also probably also be good for FreeBSD in terms of its codebase as well. I expect Sony will probably be feeding back some patches.
Poor analogy. Responding to an act of war with a declaration of war is far different from responding to a non-government-sanctioned act by a handful of individuals with an undeclared war.
You've got that pretty much entirely wrong.
Al Qaida was both guest in Afghanistan, and integrated into its military forces and government. Al Qaida's jihadis were organized up to brigade level and fighting along side the Taliban. Al Qaida was churning out thousands of trained terrorists per year in their training camps, with many of the dispersing to raise havoc around the world. And Bin Laden did in fact issue a recognizable declaration of war as understood in his culture, and similarly understood in the West.
1996 Bin Laden's Fatwa - Text of the fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden first published in Al Quds Al Arabi
After repeated attacks killing thousands and wounding thousands more, the US responded with its own declaration.
Again, poor analogy. Normal law enforcement doesn't suck down half our federal budget (not counting trust funds). If we were spending half our country's income on arresting bank robbers or rapists, then the answer would be a resounding "yes"... well, not to stop it entirely, but certainly to scale it back by several orders of magnitude.
The poster I responded was essentially arguing that the US should not be engaged in military action to defend itself as long as disease killed more people. It was a nonsense argument whether you apply it to national defense or law enforcement, which is what I was demonstrating.
Social welfare spending is about twice what the defense budget is. Defense spending will be taking a disproportionate hit from sequestration. National defense is a Constitutional responsibility of the Federal government.
I largely agree with you. Government is potentially very dangerous. Although nations with a long history of democratic government have been better off, the potential is still there.
The national security apparatus of the US government still appears to be bound by the rule of law, even if one may disagree about the boundaries.
What concerns me most at the moment isn't NSA, but IRS. That is admitted and demonstrated political oppression of ordinary political opposition by an arm of government, but few on Slashdot seem to mind. It might be easy to conclude that few people on Slashdot care about political oppression, as long as the "right people" are being oppressed. That makes the opposition to NSA defending Americans so much more interesting.
You probably should have. It is completely irrelevant.
Shall we give up law enforcement since people die of heart disease? Stop arresting bank robbers because people die of the flu? Stop arresting rapists because people die of stroke?
Should the US have not gone to war with Japan after Pearl Harbor because more people died in automobile accidents?
So don't go on about how the Afghanistan campaign is proportionate
Nothing you wrote addresses that issue in any meaningful way.
As far as is publicly known, the B-3 bomber only exists as a concept, a plan for a future bomber, not as a flyable aircraft.
You can see a clip of what they are referring to here. It is from a famous film.
Fluoridation of water is generally considered safe, and in widespread use. You may not want to hear this, but the position you seem to be taking is often associated with the fringe or cranks, even if there might be a valid concern due to specific circumstances. There are communities that do remove it from drinking water.
The violators will be subjected to interrogration by the newly-established Federal Water Board. After federal water boarding, they'll be shipped to Gitmo.
More like, "Crank official mocked and removed from board, 15 minutes of fame coming to end."
It's true that more than a thousand U.S. citizens have died in Afghanistan, but that's the result of a misguided and disproportionate "action against terrorists" rather than of doing nothing.
The campaign by the US, NATO, and other allies in Afghanistan is neither misguided nor disproportionate.
The government's number one tool in the fight against terrorism.
I hate to say it, but by definition, the only way for terrorism to work is for people to be terrified.
If the People would grow a backbone again, and stop being terrified, no matter if it's salafi jihadists or government propagandists who are attempting the scaring, then there could be no terrorism. War's over, let's pack up and go home.
A skiddish populous is the #1 tool in the effort that has been misnamed the "War on Terror".
The "War on Terror" is symbolic language for the war against al Qaida, just as the "war against fascism" was symbolic language for the fight against Germany and Italy in WW2. Supposedly smart people should be able to understand symbolism, but there seems to be little evidence for it on Slashdot since I keep reading the same nonsense over and over again.
You don't have to be terrified to take actions against terrorists. Just making the judgment that it is prudent to prevent mass slaughter of your fellow citizens is enough. Or maybe you could explain why it is a good idea to let your fellow citizens be killed by the thousands and do nothing?
Al Qaida is just as happy killing brave people as they are frightened people. You seem to be in the camp that wants people to be brave against terrorists, and frightened of the government. Such frightened people are easier to kill. People frightened of their government are prone to interfere with government attempts to protect them. The result of that will be the population in effect becoming human shields for al Qaida. That won't end well, at least for Americans.
“How would you define the Birch fallacy?” Jay Hall asked.
“The fallacy,” I said, “is the assumption that you can infer subjective intention from objective consequence: we lost China to the Communists, therefore the President of the United States and the Secretary of State wished China to go to the Communists.”
That is such a wonderful irony. Just as Snowden has broken the law, betrayed his country, and falsely justified his actions, in that scene of the movie, Colonel Jessup makes statements that prove he had been lying and had in fact ordered a brutal assault on a marine under his command who died. In the next scene, Colonel Jessup is arrested, and defends his actions much as people are defending Snowdens, claiming he saved the country from grave danger. I can handle the truth, you either can't figure out what the truth is, or worse, condone a man who fled the country with four laptops full of American secrets. In the movie, the good Lieutenant is correct in his assessment of Jessup, which applies equally in the other case.
So what is it? Are we living by the god damned piece of paper or not?
Yes, American government does operate according to the Constitution. Apparently you don't like that in some respect.
The pretending is just going to continue to be a source of problems.
I agree. When will people stop pretending that the Constitution isn't being followed? (A misbelief often spawned by ignorance.) That sort of pretending and misbelief has already proved very costly.
Give it a rest. The Soviet Union asked the US if they (the Soviet Union) could attack China with nuclear weapons in the 1960s to take away China's nuclear weapons and prevent them from getting more. Guess what the US said?
If you think the Japanese were ready to simply surrender, you have been getting bad history.
Let me know when China stops trying to take territory from Japan, the Philippines, India, Vietnam, and other neighbors, and then it will be easier to discuss security arrangements.
What do you call it when "tourists" travel to another nation explicitly to steal technology and import said technology when its against the law?
And that nation just got caught doing the exact thing it accuses everyone else of doing, and doing it on the scale that many didn't even think possible.
63 computers is "on the scale that many didn't even think possible"? That isn't even as big as a small botnet. That is nonsense.
Good grief, China has more front companies (3000) for spying in the US that that.
And when it comes to high horses, there seem to be plenty around here.
I'm curious, what would it take for you to acknowledge that Snowden might have betrayed his country? A parade through Red Square? Pictures of him wearing a FRS (nee' KGB) colonel's uniform like Philby?
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BSD vs GPL. Maybe you've heard there is some contention there?
Its good to see a BSD release picking up another major instance of commercial use. One of the obstacles the BSDs have faced is mindshare. Linux has had such an overpowering presence in the free/open world that it often overshadows the BSDs. That plays out in the commercial software that is available. If you look at high end vendor software, such as Oracle or other databases, or CAD tools, it is pretty rare to see much released for anything except Red Hat, or maybe Suse Linux. But getting the BSDs out where users are aware of it will definitely help.
This will also probably also be good for FreeBSD in terms of its codebase as well. I expect Sony will probably be feeding back some patches.
In 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
And don't forget the two trolls: coid fjord, and co1d fjord.
Poor analogy. Responding to an act of war with a declaration of war is far different from responding to a non-government-sanctioned act by a handful of individuals with an undeclared war.
You've got that pretty much entirely wrong.
Al Qaida was both guest in Afghanistan, and integrated into its military forces and government. Al Qaida's jihadis were organized up to brigade level and fighting along side the Taliban. Al Qaida was churning out thousands of trained terrorists per year in their training camps, with many of the dispersing to raise havoc around the world. And Bin Laden did in fact issue a recognizable declaration of war as understood in his culture, and similarly understood in the West.
1996 Bin Laden's Fatwa - Text of the fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden first published in Al Quds Al Arabi
After repeated attacks killing thousands and wounding thousands more, the US responded with its own declaration.
The Authorization for Use of Military Force passed by Congress after 9-11-2001 is legally equivalent to a declaration of war. That is well settled law.
Again, poor analogy. Normal law enforcement doesn't suck down half our federal budget (not counting trust funds). If we were spending half our country's income on arresting bank robbers or rapists, then the answer would be a resounding "yes"... well, not to stop it entirely, but certainly to scale it back by several orders of magnitude.
The poster I responded was essentially arguing that the US should not be engaged in military action to defend itself as long as disease killed more people. It was a nonsense argument whether you apply it to national defense or law enforcement, which is what I was demonstrating.
Social welfare spending is about twice what the defense budget is. Defense spending will be taking a disproportionate hit from sequestration. National defense is a Constitutional responsibility of the Federal government.
I largely agree with you. Government is potentially very dangerous. Although nations with a long history of democratic government have been better off, the potential is still there.
The national security apparatus of the US government still appears to be bound by the rule of law, even if one may disagree about the boundaries.
What concerns me most at the moment isn't NSA, but IRS. That is admitted and demonstrated political oppression of ordinary political opposition by an arm of government, but few on Slashdot seem to mind. It might be easy to conclude that few people on Slashdot care about political oppression, as long as the "right people" are being oppressed. That makes the opposition to NSA defending Americans so much more interesting.
Since the founding of Communist China, the general approach to dissent has tended to involve either the threat or use of jail cells or guns.
So far the communist government has managed to kill 70,000,000 of its citizens.
I can't let this go.
You probably should have. It is completely irrelevant.
Shall we give up law enforcement since people die of heart disease? Stop arresting bank robbers because people die of the flu? Stop arresting rapists because people die of stroke?
Should the US have not gone to war with Japan after Pearl Harbor because more people died in automobile accidents?
So don't go on about how the Afghanistan campaign is proportionate
Nothing you wrote addresses that issue in any meaningful way.
You look like a putz.
It's a big club. Care to show me around?
As far as is publicly known, the B-3 bomber only exists as a concept, a plan for a future bomber, not as a flyable aircraft.
You can see a clip of what they are referring to here. It is from a famous film.
Fluoridation of water is generally considered safe, and in widespread use. You may not want to hear this, but the position you seem to be taking is often associated with the fringe or cranks, even if there might be a valid concern due to specific circumstances. There are communities that do remove it from drinking water.
You may find this useful:
How to Remove Fluoride from Drinking Water
Basic Information about Fluoride in Drinking Water
The violators will be subjected to interrogration by the newly-established Federal Water Board. After federal water boarding, they'll be shipped to Gitmo.
More like, "Crank official mocked and removed from board, 15 minutes of fame coming to end."
The last big internationalist movement was discredited.
The Soviet Story (2008)
The Black Book of Communism
There have been other attacks of course, but this has been the deadliest, and most famous against the United States.
2001 9/11 attacks - 2,973 dead. Two skyscraper towers destroyed, heavy damage to Pentagon.
Estimated damage to US economy: ~ $100,000,000,000.
Attacks against the US embassies in Africa is another example.
1998 Bombing of US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya - 224 dead, est. 4,000 injured, both embassies heavily damaged
It's true that more than a thousand U.S. citizens have died in Afghanistan, but that's the result of a misguided and disproportionate "action against terrorists" rather than of doing nothing.
The campaign by the US, NATO, and other allies in Afghanistan is neither misguided nor disproportionate.
The government's number one tool in the fight against terrorism.
I hate to say it, but by definition, the only way for terrorism to work is for people to be terrified.
If the People would grow a backbone again, and stop being terrified, no matter if it's salafi jihadists or government propagandists who are attempting the scaring, then there could be no terrorism. War's over, let's pack up and go home.
A skiddish populous is the #1 tool in the effort that has been misnamed the "War on Terror".
The "War on Terror" is symbolic language for the war against al Qaida, just as the "war against fascism" was symbolic language for the fight against Germany and Italy in WW2. Supposedly smart people should be able to understand symbolism, but there seems to be little evidence for it on Slashdot since I keep reading the same nonsense over and over again.
You don't have to be terrified to take actions against terrorists. Just making the judgment that it is prudent to prevent mass slaughter of your fellow citizens is enough. Or maybe you could explain why it is a good idea to let your fellow citizens be killed by the thousands and do nothing?
Al Qaida is just as happy killing brave people as they are frightened people. You seem to be in the camp that wants people to be brave against terrorists, and frightened of the government. Such frightened people are easier to kill. People frightened of their government are prone to interfere with government attempts to protect them. The result of that will be the population in effect becoming human shields for al Qaida. That won't end well, at least for Americans.
Snowden is a patriot who's calling out those who would lead us into another war.
Which country is Snowden a patriot of? China? Russia? Venezuela? North Korea? Iran? He has been giving information to all of them.
Depending what else is on the four laptops of secrets he is hauling around with him, he might be the cause of the US losing the next war.
The ever dreaded "conspiracy to prevent terrorism."
Your line of thinking isn't far off from "John Birch land."
Goldwater, the John Birch Society, and Me
“How would you define the Birch fallacy?” Jay Hall asked.
“The fallacy,” I said, “is the assumption that you can infer subjective intention from objective consequence: we lost China to the Communists, therefore the President of the United States and the Secretary of State wished China to go to the Communists.”
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. It hardly matters.
Greetings comrade! All hail Marx and Lennon! I hope you are well rested.
I will be at least mildly surprised if former career KGB officer President Putin does not fete him.
Four laptops of American secrets arriving via air courier is plenty of reason to celebrate.
As a foreigner bringing secrets to Russian, I image he'll be popular with at least some of the women. With Pussy Riot, probably not so much.
Philby's name is prominent in the history of espionage. Eventually Snowden's name will join it.
That is such a wonderful irony. Just as Snowden has broken the law, betrayed his country, and falsely justified his actions, in that scene of the movie, Colonel Jessup makes statements that prove he had been lying and had in fact ordered a brutal assault on a marine under his command who died. In the next scene, Colonel Jessup is arrested, and defends his actions much as people are defending Snowdens, claiming he saved the country from grave danger. I can handle the truth, you either can't figure out what the truth is, or worse, condone a man who fled the country with four laptops full of American secrets. In the movie, the good Lieutenant is correct in his assessment of Jessup, which applies equally in the other case.
So what is it? Are we living by the god damned piece of paper or not?
Yes, American government does operate according to the Constitution. Apparently you don't like that in some respect.
The pretending is just going to continue to be a source of problems.
I agree. When will people stop pretending that the Constitution isn't being followed? (A misbelief often spawned by ignorance.) That sort of pretending and misbelief has already proved very costly.
Last time I checked, politicians could still be voted out of office by citizens, and corporations couldn't hold office or vote.
Has this changed?
ya windows form home and my pc ) well i want to sock you in da face
You seem to be in danger of having a "mycleanpc" problem. You might want to be careful about that.
I see we have the "A Team" moderating today.
Give it a rest. The Soviet Union asked the US if they (the Soviet Union) could attack China with nuclear weapons in the 1960s to take away China's nuclear weapons and prevent them from getting more. Guess what the US said?
If you think the Japanese were ready to simply surrender, you have been getting bad history.
Let me know when China stops trying to take territory from Japan, the Philippines, India, Vietnam, and other neighbors, and then it will be easier to discuss security arrangements.
What do you call it when "tourists" travel to another nation explicitly to steal technology and import said technology when its against the law?
Let me think....
Chinese Espionage: The Risks Within U.S. Companies
Chinese Espionage Campaign Targets U.S. Space Technology
China’s Spies Are Catching Up
And that nation just got caught doing the exact thing it accuses everyone else of doing, and doing it on the scale that many didn't even think possible.
63 computers is "on the scale that many didn't even think possible"? That isn't even as big as a small botnet. That is nonsense.
Good grief, China has more front companies (3000) for spying in the US that that.
And when it comes to high horses, there seem to be plenty around here.
I'm curious, what would it take for you to acknowledge that Snowden might have betrayed his country? A parade through Red Square? Pictures of him wearing a FRS (nee' KGB) colonel's uniform like Philby?
Kim Philby hailed as 'great spy' in Russia