I know better than to argue with you, cold "Argument to Authority" fjord.
Some people are uncomfortable in dealing with actual facts instead of fabricated nonsense. I find the actual facts of a matter are often unwelcome on Slashdot, especially when they bring into question political beliefs.
The whole idea of Guantanamo Bay is to circumvent U.S. law. And you think that they're going to follow their own rules?
As a military base Guantanamo Bay is under US military and federal law. There is no circumventing that. Its location has reduced the ability of parts of the US legal system to interfere without good cause, and that is a good thing. Why should a judge in San Francisco be able to interfere with operations at an overseas prisoner of war camp? The idea is silly. Jurisdiction is a significant check on power of the various executive agencies, the judicial system, and so on. Why wouldn't you want that? Do you think all parts of the government should be all powerful without limitation?
It's a bit like how some people argue there is no wage gap because different lifestyles/jobs etc, ignoring the fact that those things are often the product of biases against women.
I take it then that you've known a lot of men that were pregnant, or left the workforce because they wanted to spend time with their children while they were young?
How many women players are on your favorite professional football team? What is the league average? Why do you think those numbers are the way they are? Is it simple bias?
We are often told by feminist advocates that women bring different perspectives to a workplace. If that is true, do you think that different perspective might lead to different priorities and behaviors, and ultimately choices?
Oh, yeah, right. The only difference is that the USA is theoretically secular. But if you jesusfreaks get your way and turn it into a christian caliphate, the murdering you xtians do will remain technically against the law, rather than openly acceptable.
That doesn't stop you jesusfreaks from murdering people for having the wrong, or no, faith.
You are deep, deep in the fever swamps. That is just nuts. Its unbelievable that you actually think that.
A small continuous population, that doesn't give them the right to a self-governing state in that territory any more than it does small minorities in other states.
Land claims from well over 1000+ years ago notwithstanding.
The Jewish people have lived in the land of Israel for at least 3,300 years and have hand multiple self-governing states in that land. They don't have "land clams from well over 1000+ years ago," they have had a continuous claim for thousands of years. Invading powers have prevented them from reestablishing their state until 70 year ago.
And the Jewish immigration was part of a specific plan to create a Jewish homeland. The massive Jewish immigration between 1920 and 1949 was during the Mandate when the British were in change and the local Arab population was unable to manage immigration.
First, Jews had been returning to the land of Israel since at least the 1880s, and the wider population still had ties to their homeland.
They were not so much trying to "create a Jewish homeland" as rebuild it. They have had to do the same thing more than once as invading powers through history have taken away the Israelis only for them to return home later.
Second, why is it that only Jews returning to the land of Israel bother you when Arabs were migrating to those lands at the same time? Are you unaware of the massive movement of Arabs into that areas during the same decades? Where is your outrage about that?
Third, here is a map of Arab lands and Israel. Could you explain why you think the Arabs have to possess the tiny dot that is Israel too? Don't they have enough land?
Of course the Palestinian Arabs disagreed. A different ethnic group declares they're going to start colonizing your territory to create their own state, they then proceed to do so while you're under foreign occupation by states who generally side with the other ethnic group.
Excuse me, but what do you mean "colonizing your territory"? What makes you think it was theirs? You just seem to assume that without proof. What proof do you have?
Jewish independence in the Land of Israel lasted for more than 400 years. This is much longer than Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States. 4 In fact, if not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be more than 3,000 years old today.
Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most of the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: “There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in history, absolutely not.”5
Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:
We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds. 6
In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: “There is no such country as Palestine! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.” 7 The repr
The prisoners are there because they were at one point believed to be terrorists and unlawful combatants.
Agreed.
How many cases can someone find of people moved to Gitmo who did not fit those conditions? I'm willing to learn something.
That depends on how we parse your question. If the question is, "How many people were take to Gitmo for confinement that were known at the time to have no involvement with al Qaida, its affiliates, or terrorism?" the answer is zero to the best of my recollection. If the question is, "How many people were taken to Gitmo for confinement due to suspicion of involvement with al Qaida, its affiliates, or terrorism, but were later thought to be innocent of it?", as I recall the answer is on the order of a couple of hundred of the approximately 800 that were ever held there, with a caveat. Of the people that were claimed to be "totally innocent" of involvement with terrorism and released, something like 20-30% of them were found back on the battlefield involved with al Qaida, the Taliban, or other extremists. It seems many of them were able to either hide their involvement or explain away things to the point they were released. Then there is the case of the Ulighars who were involved with militant groups, but directed at the oppression of the People's Republic of China and considered not to be a threat to the US. The problem for them was where to send them? It was considered impossible to send them back to China where it was expected they would be arrested and tortured. So in summary there is no chance Assange will end up there unless there is some significant and direct involvement with terrorism that we don't know about.
Communists and fascists have some surface resemblances, but in ideology are far different, as is much of the practice. That they are close is just a bunch of ignorant right-wing propaganda.
On the contrary, they are from the same part of the political spectrum (Left/Progressive), have many similar goals, and in the past have formed alliances and worked together. There are significant areas of overlap in their practice, and in terms of ideology there is very much a certain "different side of the same coin" aspect to them. Whereas Nazis exterminated by race, Communists exterminated by class, and the little known fact is that Marx and Engels called for extermination by both class and race. Whereas Communists tend to be internationalist socialists the fascists tend towards nationalist socialism.
Have you heard of the documentary, "The Soviet Story"? It's creation was supported by a group in the European Parliament. It would be well worth your time to view it as it exposes a lot of little known history that is quite revealing. I believe you can watch it on itunes or Amazon video for a modest fee if your library doesn't have it. It can be found on Youtube, but ususally not with English subtitles for foreign language sections. Although you do miss things without the subtitles it can still be worth watching if you can't find it anywhere else and can't pay to watch the localized version. Please, by all means watch it!
You might also find the book (discussed below) Liberal Fascism informative even if it is written in an American context. (Aspects of it might be a bit disorienting since the American political spectrum labeling is a bit different than Europe and the rest of the Anglosphere.) There are other books that discuss these ideas as well.
Although much is heard about the plight of the Palestinian refugees from the aftermath of the 1948 Israeli War of Independence and the 1967 Six Day War, little is said about the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were forced to flee from Arab states before and after the creation of Israel. In fact, these refugees were largely forgotten because they were assimilated into their new homes, most in Israel, and neither the United Nations nor any other international agency took up their cause or demanded restitution for the property and money taken from them.... more
The current Israelis are from Eurpoe, and simple thieves and murderers. I'm in no way anti-Semitic, I'm anti asshole. It's the normal typical wolf cry of a thouroughly discredited bunch of muderous theiving liars to make that claim.
You're "anti asshole"? How do you live with yourself? Well, at least we have it on your authority that you are, "in no way anti-Semitic." @@ . Israeli Jews, by Region of Origin
2003 14% Asia 16% Africa 15% Europe
4% Americas 22% Former USSR 29% Israel (Native) Total Population 5,165,400
Israel fell into joyous celebration tonight as the Government announced the successful conclusion of an emergency airlift of 14,500 Ethiopian Jews, nearly the entire Jewish population, in just under 36 hours.
At the airport this morning, it was difficult to tell who was more joyful -- the barefoot Ethiopians who cheered, ululated and bent down to kiss the tarmac as they stepped off the planes, or the Israelis who watched them aglow, marveling at this powerful image showing that their state still holds appeal, even with all its problems.
"We've stood up to our obligation and completed the operation bringing all the Jews," Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declared tonight. "It gives us a feeling of strength."
Israelis were no less wondrous at the operational accomplishment of ferrying so many people more than 1,500 miles in 40 flights over so short a time. The air force said 35 civilian and military airplanes, including one Ethiopian airliner, had been used in the operation.
In a key address before the Political Committee of the U.N. General Assembly on November 14, 1947, just five days before that body voted on the partition plan for Palestine, Heykal Pasha, an Egyptian delegate, made the following key statement in connection with that plan:
The United Nations . . . should not lose sight of the fact that the proposed solution might endanger a million Jews living in the Moslem countries. Partition of Palestine might create in those countries an anti-Semitism even more difficult to root out than the anti-Semitism which the Allies were trying to eradicate in Germany. . . If the United Nations decides to partition Palestine, it might be responsible for the massacre of a large number of Jews.
Heykal Pasha then elaborated on his threat:
A million Jews live in peace in Egypt [and other Muslim countries] and enjoy all rights of citizenship. They have no desire to emigrate to Palestine. However, if a Jewish State were established, nobody could prevent disorders. Riots would break out in Palestine, would spread through all the Arab states and might lead to a war between two races.1
Heykal Pasha's thinly veiled threats of "grave disorders," "massacre," "riots," and "war between two races" did not at the time go unnoticed by Jews;2 for them, it had the same ring as the proposition made six years earlier by the Palestinian leader Hajj Amin al-Husayni to Hitler of a "final solution" for the Jews of Arab countries, including Palestine. ... "3 . . . more
Hell, almost every story I've heard about people joining IS is virtually the same: they met with a person at their mosque who saw them as an impressionable target and convinced them over a long period of time that they are being oppressed by the west and need to fight back.
If that is all you've heard then it would appear you've never bothered to actually try to find out what is really going on, and don't pay attention to the news. To miss the internet as a recruiting tool in the age of the internet is stunning, almost unbelievable.
"The new militancy is driven by the Web," agreed Fawaz A. Gerges, a terrorism expert at the London School of Economics. "The terror training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan are being replaced by virtual camps on the Web."
From their side, law enforcement and intelligence agencies are scrambling to monitor the Internet and penetrate radical websites to track suspects, set up sting operations or unravel plots before they are carried out.
The FBI arrested LaRose in October after she had spent months using e-mail, YouTube, MySpace and electronic message boards to recruit radicals in Europe and South Asia to "wage violent jihad," according to a federal indictment unsealed this week.
That put the strawberry-haired Pennsylvania resident in league with many of the 12 domestic terrorism cases involving Muslims that the FBI disclosed last year, the most in any year since 2001. The Internet was cited as a recruiting or radicalizing tool in nearly every case.
"Basically, Al Qaeda isn't coming to them," Gerges said. "They are using the Web to go to Al Qaeda."
In December, for example, five young men from northern Virginia were arrested in Pakistan on suspicion of seeking to join anti-American militants in Afghanistan.
A Taliban recruiter made contact with the group after one of the five, Ahmed Abdullah Minni, posted comments on YouTube praising videos of attacks on U.S. troops, officials said. To avoid detection, they communicated by leaving draft e-mail messages at a shared Yahoo e-mail address.
Al-Shabab Recruits in the United States and the Pakistan-Virginia Case
In November 2009, federal authorities unsealed terrorism-related charges against men they say were key actors in a recruitment drive that led young Somali-Americans to join al-Shabab, a Somali insurgent group and an al-Qa`ida affiliate. In total, authorities have implicated 14 people in the case. Perhaps the most notorious is Zakaria Maruf, an American-Somali who had left Minnesota for southern Somalia to link up with al-Shabab and subsequently recruited men from the United States through a variety of means, including the internet.[33]
This was the case of Mohamoud Hassan, a student at the Carlson School of Management, whose path toward extremism began through the internet with searches for jihadist videos and jihadist chat rooms. Like the Toronto 18, Hassan listened to the audio lectures of Anwar al-Awlaki.[34] Hassan then began to communicate frequently with Maruf who established contact through listservs, an antiquated form of sending e-mails, and conference calls arranged by an associate who distributed several hundred numbers and passwords so people could establish contact securely.[35]
In November 2008, Hassan turned his back on a university education and with two other students left for Somalia to join an al-Shabab training camp where he linked up with his internet recruiter Maruf.[36] In September 2009, Hassan’s grandmother received news from Somalia that her grandson was killed. It is unlikely that he will be the last S
No, this is in the US. It is fueled by one thing and one thing only: GREED.
It seems to be that it may very well be about the results of politically correct behavior on the part of social media that tends to ignore violence and threats as long as it comes from the "right" people or is directed at the "right" victims. There are other cases like it that help demonstrate the problem.
An experiment: Make one anti-Israel page and one anti-Palestinian page. Wait to see what happens. . . .
Shurat HaDin also posted graphic photos on both pages. For example, a photograph on the anti-Israel page featured a young girl preparing to punch an Israeli soldier, with text reading, “these children will liberate Palestine with blood.” That photograph was mirrored on the anti-Palestine page by a picture of a bare-chested Israeli soldier wielding a gun and vowing war with all Arabs.
On Dec. 30, Shurat HaDin reported both pages as violating Facebook standards, using Facebook’s report mechanism of a simple button-click available to all users. Within 24 hours, Facebook sent the NGO a message that the anti-Palestine page it reported had been closed down for “containing credible threat of violence” and that it had “violated our [Facebook’s] community standards.” The page immediately became inaccessible to all Facebook users.
The complaint about the anti-Israel page (which had spiraled into an explicitly anti-Jewish page) also received a reply from Facebook. This reply stated that the content was “not in violation of Facebook’s rules.”
Facebook changed its tune after Jan. 4, when Shurat HaDin published a video detailing the experiment, which made waves in the Israeli press and on social media.
Exclusive: Social network rescinds earlier decision to allow page that incites violence . . . .
“Unfortunately we do not believe it was a simple ‘mistake’ as Israelis and Jews worldwide have been relentlessly protesting that Facebook is completely unresponsive to this type of Palestinian incitement to violence,” said Shurat HaDin founder and Israeli attorney, Nitsana Darshan-Leitner. “Two months ago we filed a lawsuit in the New York State Supreme Court on behalf of over 20,000 Israeli citizens, seeking an injunction against Facebook for “intentionally disregarding the widespread incitement and calls for murder of Jews being posted on its web pages by Palestinians. This simple experiment and its results speak for themselves.”
The question is, how will that play out in the long run now that increasing percentages of recent immigrants hold values fundamentally hostile to the nation they are immigrating to? In Europe it is already causing problems, and those problems are going to get much worse in the coming decades. It is also causing problems in the US, Australia, and Canada. It is hard to say how will trend over time for them.
The unemployment rate only takes into account people actively looking for work. A lot of people have stopped looking for work and dropped out of the labor market. There is also a large percentage of people that are underemployed, that want full-time work and can't get it or that are performing jobs well below their skill level because they can't find more suitable employment.
The Supreme Court of the UK said that the allegations against Assange constituted crimes in the UK. Extradition isn't a problem. Assange being a fugitive from justice is a problem.
You don't recall correctly. He is accused of rape. He allegedly inserted his penis into a sleeping woman. A sleeping woman cannot consent to sex. Sex without consent is rape.
Besides rape he was also accused of molestation and other sex crimes.
Assange is a Leftist political activist and oddly enough a Leftist regime is shielding him from the legal process to adjudicate the sex crime allegations against him. This is easy to understand.
There is nothing odd about extradition over allegations of sexual assault. What is odd is how the spurious theories and explanations keep being posted.
By this point, even Cold Dumbfuck Fascist must know that there are people still in Gitmo that were cleared for release by the Bush Administration.
And why were they there to begin with? For the reason I stated.
If the Bush administration cleared them then why didn't Obama release them? Hmm? Do you think there may be a problem?
By this point, even Cold Dumbfuck Fascist . . . Guy's still bent out of shape that he was born at the wrong place and time to be an informer for Francisco Franco, the Shah, or Pinochet.
The fascists are cousins to the Communists, and both of them are on your side of the "progressive" political spectrum. I'm on the side of democracy, free enterprise, and limited government.
Ecuador did not have an agreement in place with Sweden to act as a framework within which such a request could be allowed to go forward . ..
What a grandiose method of handing a request to talk to someone when supposedly everyone agrees to it and thinks it should be done. A treaty just to talk to a guy in a room in London? A "framework"? This is Ecuador simultaneously trolling and puffing itself up. Of course the kicker is that Ecuador still won't allow the Swedes to talk directly to Assange, it will be Ecuador's prosecutors doing the talking. This is really about Ecuador's government continuing to run interference for Assange.
I think it is pretty unlikely that Ecuador requires treaties and frameworks just to talk with other people that they actually want to talk to.
The only individuals held in Gitmo are there because they are either known or believed to be involved in terrorism. Are you claiming that Assange is involved in terrorism? That would be real news. Claims that Assange will be sent to Gitmo are nonsense.
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I know better than to argue with you, cold "Argument to Authority" fjord.
Some people are uncomfortable in dealing with actual facts instead of fabricated nonsense. I find the actual facts of a matter are often unwelcome on Slashdot, especially when they bring into question political beliefs.
The whole idea of Guantanamo Bay is to circumvent U.S. law. And you think that they're going to follow their own rules?
As a military base Guantanamo Bay is under US military and federal law. There is no circumventing that. Its location has reduced the ability of parts of the US legal system to interfere without good cause, and that is a good thing. Why should a judge in San Francisco be able to interfere with operations at an overseas prisoner of war camp? The idea is silly. Jurisdiction is a significant check on power of the various executive agencies, the judicial system, and so on. Why wouldn't you want that? Do you think all parts of the government should be all powerful without limitation?
It's a bit like how some people argue there is no wage gap because different lifestyles/jobs etc, ignoring the fact that those things are often the product of biases against women.
I take it then that you've known a lot of men that were pregnant, or left the workforce because they wanted to spend time with their children while they were young?
How many women players are on your favorite professional football team? What is the league average? Why do you think those numbers are the way they are? Is it simple bias?
We are often told by feminist advocates that women bring different perspectives to a workplace. If that is true, do you think that different perspective might lead to different priorities and behaviors, and ultimately choices?
Wage Gap Myth Exposed -- By Feminists
The Biggest Myth About the Gender Wage Gap
The real gap isn't between men and women doing the same job. It's between the different jobs that men and women take.
There is also Chomsky's ugly history of genocide denial.
Chomsky Denies a Genocide
Oh, yeah, right. The only difference is that the USA is theoretically secular. But if you jesusfreaks get your way and turn it into a christian caliphate, the murdering you xtians do will remain technically against the law, rather than openly acceptable.
That doesn't stop you jesusfreaks from murdering people for having the wrong, or no, faith.
You are deep, deep in the fever swamps. That is just nuts. Its unbelievable that you actually think that.
A small continuous population, that doesn't give them the right to a self-governing state in that territory any more than it does small minorities in other states.
Land claims from well over 1000+ years ago notwithstanding.
The Jewish people have lived in the land of Israel for at least 3,300 years and have hand multiple self-governing states in that land. They don't have "land clams from well over 1000+ years ago," they have had a continuous claim for thousands of years. Invading powers have prevented them from reestablishing their state until 70 year ago.
And the Jewish immigration was part of a specific plan to create a Jewish homeland. The massive Jewish immigration between 1920 and 1949 was during the Mandate when the British were in change and the local Arab population was unable to manage immigration.
First, Jews had been returning to the land of Israel since at least the 1880s, and the wider population still had ties to their homeland.
They were not so much trying to "create a Jewish homeland" as rebuild it. They have had to do the same thing more than once as invading powers through history have taken away the Israelis only for them to return home later.
Second, why is it that only Jews returning to the land of Israel bother you when Arabs were migrating to those lands at the same time? Are you unaware of the massive movement of Arabs into that areas during the same decades? Where is your outrage about that?
Third, here is a map of Arab lands and Israel. Could you explain why you think the Arabs have to possess the tiny dot that is Israel too? Don't they have enough land?
Of course the Palestinian Arabs disagreed. A different ethnic group declares they're going to start colonizing your territory to create their own state, they then proceed to do so while you're under foreign occupation by states who generally side with the other ethnic group.
Excuse me, but what do you mean "colonizing your territory"? What makes you think it was theirs? You just seem to assume that without proof. What proof do you have?
MYTH - “Palestine was always an Arab country.”
Jewish independence in the Land of Israel lasted for more than 400 years. This is much longer than Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States. 4 In fact, if not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be more than 3,000 years old today.
Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most of the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: “There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in history, absolutely not.”5
Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:
We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds. 6
In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: “There is no such country as Palestine! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.” 7 The repr
The prisoners are there because they were at one point believed to be terrorists and unlawful combatants.
Agreed.
How many cases can someone find of people moved to Gitmo who did not fit those conditions? I'm willing to learn something.
That depends on how we parse your question. If the question is, "How many people were take to Gitmo for confinement that were known at the time to have no involvement with al Qaida, its affiliates, or terrorism?" the answer is zero to the best of my recollection. If the question is, "How many people were taken to Gitmo for confinement due to suspicion of involvement with al Qaida, its affiliates, or terrorism, but were later thought to be innocent of it?", as I recall the answer is on the order of a couple of hundred of the approximately 800 that were ever held there, with a caveat. Of the people that were claimed to be "totally innocent" of involvement with terrorism and released, something like 20-30% of them were found back on the battlefield involved with al Qaida, the Taliban, or other extremists. It seems many of them were able to either hide their involvement or explain away things to the point they were released. Then there is the case of the Ulighars who were involved with militant groups, but directed at the oppression of the People's Republic of China and considered not to be a threat to the US. The problem for them was where to send them? It was considered impossible to send them back to China where it was expected they would be arrested and tortured. So in summary there is no chance Assange will end up there unless there is some significant and direct involvement with terrorism that we don't know about.
Communists and fascists have some surface resemblances, but in ideology are far different, as is much of the practice. That they are close is just a bunch of ignorant right-wing propaganda.
On the contrary, they are from the same part of the political spectrum (Left/Progressive), have many similar goals, and in the past have formed alliances and worked together. There are significant areas of overlap in their practice, and in terms of ideology there is very much a certain "different side of the same coin" aspect to them. Whereas Nazis exterminated by race, Communists exterminated by class, and the little known fact is that Marx and Engels called for extermination by both class and race. Whereas Communists tend to be internationalist socialists the fascists tend towards nationalist socialism.
Have you heard of the documentary, "The Soviet Story"? It's creation was supported by a group in the European Parliament. It would be well worth your time to view it as it exposes a lot of little known history that is quite revealing. I believe you can watch it on itunes or Amazon video for a modest fee if your library doesn't have it. It can be found on Youtube, but ususally not with English subtitles for foreign language sections. Although you do miss things without the subtitles it can still be worth watching if you can't find it anywhere else and can't pay to watch the localized version. Please, by all means watch it!
Telling the Soviet story - A new film about Nazi-Soviet links
The Soviet Story 1 of 9
You might also find the book (discussed below) Liberal Fascism informative even if it is written in an American context. (Aspects of it might be a bit disorienting since the American political spectrum labeling is a bit different than Europe and the rest of the Anglosphere.) There are other books that discuss these ideas as well.
Liberal Fascism
Benito Mussolini was a socialist and earned the title “Il Duce” as the leader of the socialists in Italy. When he founded the fas
Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries
Although much is heard about the plight of the Palestinian refugees from the aftermath of the 1948 Israeli War of Independence and the 1967 Six Day War, little is said about the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were forced to flee from Arab states before and after the creation of Israel. In fact, these refugees were largely forgotten because they were assimilated into their new homes, most in Israel, and neither the United Nations nor any other international agency took up their cause or demanded restitution for the property and money taken from them. ... more
The current Israelis are from Eurpoe, and simple thieves and murderers. I'm in no way anti-Semitic, I'm anti asshole. It's the normal typical wolf cry of a thouroughly discredited bunch of muderous theiving liars to make that claim.
You're "anti asshole"? How do you live with yourself? Well, at least we have it on your authority that you are, "in no way anti-Semitic." @@
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Israeli Jews, by Region of Origin
2003
14% Asia
16% Africa
15% Europe
4% Americas
22% Former USSR
29% Israel (Native)
Total Population 5,165,400
Operation Solomon - one of several rescues .....
Ethiopian Jews and Israelis Exult as Airlift Is Completed
Israel fell into joyous celebration tonight as the Government announced the successful conclusion of an emergency airlift of 14,500 Ethiopian Jews, nearly the entire Jewish population, in just under 36 hours.
At the airport this morning, it was difficult to tell who was more joyful -- the barefoot Ethiopians who cheered, ululated and bent down to kiss the tarmac as they stepped off the planes, or the Israelis who watched them aglow, marveling at this powerful image showing that their state still holds appeal, even with all its problems.
"We've stood up to our obligation and completed the operation bringing all the Jews," Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declared tonight. "It gives us a feeling of strength."
Israelis were no less wondrous at the operational accomplishment of ferrying so many people more than 1,500 miles in 40 flights over so short a time. The air force said 35 civilian and military airplanes, including one Ethiopian airliner, had been used in the operation.
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Why Jews Fled the Arab Countries
COORDINATING A PROGRAM OF EXPULSION
In a key address before the Political Committee of the U.N. General Assembly on November 14, 1947, just five days before that body voted on the partition plan for Palestine, Heykal Pasha, an Egyptian delegate, made the following key statement in connection with that plan:
The United Nations . . . should not lose sight of the fact that the proposed solution might endanger a million Jews living in the Moslem countries. Partition of Palestine might create in those countries an anti-Semitism even more difficult to root out than the anti-Semitism which the Allies were trying to eradicate in Germany. . . If the United Nations decides to partition Palestine, it might be responsible for the massacre of a large number of Jews.
Heykal Pasha then elaborated on his threat:
A million Jews live in peace in Egypt [and other Muslim countries] and enjoy all rights of citizenship. They have no desire to emigrate to Palestine. However, if a Jewish State were established, nobody could prevent disorders. Riots would break out in Palestine, would spread through all the Arab states and might lead to a war between two races.1
Heykal Pasha's thinly veiled threats of "grave disorders," "massacre," "riots," and "war between two races" did not at the time go unnoticed by Jews;2 for them, it had the same ring as the proposition made six years earlier by the Palestinian leader Hajj Amin al-Husayni to Hitler of a "final solution" for the Jews of Arab countries, including Palestine. ... "3 . . . more
Assange remains a fugitive from justice.
And just stating it as a fact gets you nothing.
I was starting to wonder if facts mattered to you.
We know that in your eyes, anyone who goes against the government is guilty, no matter what.
And what makes you think you "know" this? I've certainly opposed various government policies, and supported people that oppose them.
This seems to be another case of you "knowing" something that isn't true. That probably feeds back into your "interest" in facts.
Hell, almost every story I've heard about people joining IS is virtually the same: they met with a person at their mosque who saw them as an impressionable target and convinced them over a long period of time that they are being oppressed by the west and need to fight back.
If that is all you've heard then it would appear you've never bothered to actually try to find out what is really going on, and don't pay attention to the news. To miss the internet as a recruiting tool in the age of the internet is stunning, almost unbelievable.
Internet making it easier to become a terrorist
"The new militancy is driven by the Web," agreed Fawaz A. Gerges, a terrorism expert at the London School of Economics. "The terror training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan are being replaced by virtual camps on the Web."
From their side, law enforcement and intelligence agencies are scrambling to monitor the Internet and penetrate radical websites to track suspects, set up sting operations or unravel plots before they are carried out.
The FBI arrested LaRose in October after she had spent months using e-mail, YouTube, MySpace and electronic message boards to recruit radicals in Europe and South Asia to "wage violent jihad," according to a federal indictment unsealed this week.
That put the strawberry-haired Pennsylvania resident in league with many of the 12 domestic terrorism cases involving Muslims that the FBI disclosed last year, the most in any year since 2001. The Internet was cited as a recruiting or radicalizing tool in nearly every case.
"Basically, Al Qaeda isn't coming to them," Gerges said. "They are using the Web to go to Al Qaeda."
In December, for example, five young men from northern Virginia were arrested in Pakistan on suspicion of seeking to join anti-American militants in Afghanistan.
A Taliban recruiter made contact with the group after one of the five, Ahmed Abdullah Minni, posted comments on YouTube praising videos of attacks on U.S. troops, officials said. To avoid detection, they communicated by leaving draft e-mail messages at a shared Yahoo e-mail address.
The Internet and its Role in Terrorist Recruitment and Operational Planning
Al-Shabab Recruits in the United States and the Pakistan-Virginia Case
In November 2009, federal authorities unsealed terrorism-related charges against men they say were key actors in a recruitment drive that led young Somali-Americans to join al-Shabab, a Somali insurgent group and an al-Qa`ida affiliate. In total, authorities have implicated 14 people in the case. Perhaps the most notorious is Zakaria Maruf, an American-Somali who had left Minnesota for southern Somalia to link up with al-Shabab and subsequently recruited men from the United States through a variety of means, including the internet.[33]
This was the case of Mohamoud Hassan, a student at the Carlson School of Management, whose path toward extremism began through the internet with searches for jihadist videos and jihadist chat rooms. Like the Toronto 18, Hassan listened to the audio lectures of Anwar al-Awlaki.[34] Hassan then began to communicate frequently with Maruf who established contact through listservs, an antiquated form of sending e-mails, and conference calls arranged by an associate who distributed several hundred numbers and passwords so people could establish contact securely.[35]
In November 2008, Hassan turned his back on a university education and with two other students left for Somalia to join an al-Shabab training camp where he linked up with his internet recruiter Maruf.[36] In September 2009, Hassan’s grandmother received news from Somalia that her grandson was killed. It is unlikely that he will be the last S
I don't think that is true, but it is interesting to see you displaying your sense of "American exceptionalism."
No, this is in the US. It is fueled by one thing and one thing only: GREED.
It seems to be that it may very well be about the results of politically correct behavior on the part of social media that tends to ignore violence and threats as long as it comes from the "right" people or is directed at the "right" victims. There are other cases like it that help demonstrate the problem.
Facebook and Israel: What’s Not to ‘Like’? Lots, It Seems
An experiment: Make one anti-Israel page and one anti-Palestinian page. Wait to see what happens.
After all, youtube didn't pick up the nickname of "jihad tube" for nothing.
I believe the items below is what he was referring to. (Surely this sort of blatant ant-Israeli bias isn't new to you?)
Thousands of Israelis join lawsuit against Facebook over pages inciting violence
Facebook’s anti-Israel double standard on hate speech
Facebook and Israel: What’s Not to ‘Like’? Lots, It Seems
An experiment: Make one anti-Israel page and one anti-Palestinian page. Wait to see what happens. . . .
Shurat HaDin also posted graphic photos on both pages. For example, a photograph on the anti-Israel page featured a young girl preparing to punch an Israeli soldier, with text reading, “these children will liberate Palestine with blood.” That photograph was mirrored on the anti-Palestine page by a picture of a bare-chested Israeli soldier wielding a gun and vowing war with all Arabs.
On Dec. 30, Shurat HaDin reported both pages as violating Facebook standards, using Facebook’s report mechanism of a simple button-click available to all users. Within 24 hours, Facebook sent the NGO a message that the anti-Palestine page it reported had been closed down for “containing credible threat of violence” and that it had “violated our [Facebook’s] community standards.” The page immediately became inaccessible to all Facebook users.
The complaint about the anti-Israel page (which had spiraled into an explicitly anti-Jewish page) also received a reply from Facebook. This reply stated that the content was “not in violation of Facebook’s rules.”
Facebook changed its tune after Jan. 4, when Shurat HaDin published a video detailing the experiment, which made waves in the Israeli press and on social media.
Facebook Caves on Israel Hate Page
Exclusive: Social network rescinds earlier decision to allow page that incites violence . . . .
“Unfortunately we do not believe it was a simple ‘mistake’ as Israelis and Jews worldwide have been relentlessly protesting that Facebook is completely unresponsive to this type of Palestinian incitement to violence,” said Shurat HaDin founder and Israeli attorney, Nitsana Darshan-Leitner. “Two months ago we filed a lawsuit in the New York State Supreme Court on behalf of over 20,000 Israeli citizens, seeking an injunction against Facebook for “intentionally disregarding the widespread incitement and calls for murder of Jews being posted on its web pages by Palestinians. This simple experiment and its results speak for themselves.”
Israeli NGO says Facebook test proves anti-Israel bias
An experiment by the Israel Law Center sees the social network banning anti-Palestinian incitement, while anti-Israel hate remains online
The question is, how will that play out in the long run now that increasing percentages of recent immigrants hold values fundamentally hostile to the nation they are immigrating to? In Europe it is already causing problems, and those problems are going to get much worse in the coming decades. It is also causing problems in the US, Australia, and Canada. It is hard to say how will trend over time for them.
The unemployment rate only takes into account people actively looking for work. A lot of people have stopped looking for work and dropped out of the labor market. There is also a large percentage of people that are underemployed, that want full-time work and can't get it or that are performing jobs well below their skill level because they can't find more suitable employment.
Western civilization is very resilient.
So is theirs.
It's not "fleeing" if he hasn't been charged with anything.
I didn't "flee" to work this morning. I commuted.
Assange is fleeing extradition to Sweden,* so yes, Assange is FLEEING.
*Where he is likely to be taken into custody, charged, tried, convicted, sentenced, and imprisoned for the crime of rape.
What are you on about?: Assange stuck his penis into a sleeping woman. A sleeping woman cannot consent to sex. Sex without consent is rape.
The Supreme Court of the UK said that the allegations against Assange constituted crimes in the UK. Extradition isn't a problem. Assange being a fugitive from justice is a problem.
You don't recall correctly. He is accused of rape. He allegedly inserted his penis into a sleeping woman. A sleeping woman cannot consent to sex. Sex without consent is rape.
Besides rape he was also accused of molestation and other sex crimes.
Assange is a Leftist political activist and oddly enough a Leftist regime is shielding him from the legal process to adjudicate the sex crime allegations against him. This is easy to understand.
There is nothing odd about extradition over allegations of sexual assault. What is odd is how the spurious theories and explanations keep being posted.
Ohhhh, poor butt-hurt AC.
You've just demonstrated multiple areas of ignorance.
Here, knock yourself out.
By this point, even Cold Dumbfuck Fascist must know that there are people still in Gitmo that were cleared for release by the Bush Administration.
And why were they there to begin with? For the reason I stated.
If the Bush administration cleared them then why didn't Obama release them? Hmm? Do you think there may be a problem?
By this point, even Cold Dumbfuck Fascist . . . Guy's still bent out of shape that he was born at the wrong place and time to be an informer for Francisco Franco, the Shah, or Pinochet.
The fascists are cousins to the Communists, and both of them are on your side of the "progressive" political spectrum. I'm on the side of democracy, free enterprise, and limited government.
Ecuador did not have an agreement in place with Sweden to act as a framework within which such a request could be allowed to go forward . . .
What a grandiose method of handing a request to talk to someone when supposedly everyone agrees to it and thinks it should be done. A treaty just to talk to a guy in a room in London? A "framework"? This is Ecuador simultaneously trolling and puffing itself up. Of course the kicker is that Ecuador still won't allow the Swedes to talk directly to Assange, it will be Ecuador's prosecutors doing the talking. This is really about Ecuador's government continuing to run interference for Assange.
I think it is pretty unlikely that Ecuador requires treaties and frameworks just to talk with other people that they actually want to talk to.
The only individuals held in Gitmo are there because they are either known or believed to be involved in terrorism. Are you claiming that Assange is involved in terrorism? That would be real news. Claims that Assange will be sent to Gitmo are nonsense.