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More People In Europe Are Dying Than Are Being Born (phys.org)
jones_supa writes: More people in Europe are dying than are being born, according to a new report co-authored by a Texas A&M University demographer. In contrast, births exceed deaths, by significant margins, in Texas and elsewhere in the United States, with few exceptions. The researchers find that in Europe, deaths exceeded births in most of the counties of Germany, Hungary, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic, as well as in Sweden and the Baltic States. Further south, natural decrease is found occurring in the majority of the counties of Greece, Portugal and Italy. More births than deaths (natural increase) is widespread in Ireland, Cyprus, Iceland, Lichtenstein and Luxembourg. "Natural decrease is much more common in Europe than in the U.S because its population is older, fertility rates are lower and there are fewer women of child-bearing age," the researchers explain. "Natural decrease is a major policy concern because it drains the demographic resilience from a region diminishing its economic viability and competitiveness."
that's what the US is doing
Well off people don't reproduce as much. But as Idiocracy commented, the idiot crowd can just as well advance the gene pool. Whether we remain civilized or resort to all out tribal warfare, slavery, or feudalism, or leave the world in a choking pulluted, flooded, plague ridden morass with radioactive no-go zones humanity itself will persist. Our aspirations for a egalitarian intellectually absorbed transcendent society are less likely or stable than colonialist domination.
In terms of reproductive habits, it seems like the fast breeders evnetually win unless the elite take a cruel approach.
THat said, I think the progress of mankind has been one of elevation, peace, understanding and freedom. So clearly the cynical view is not supported by societal evolution and birth patterns to date.
On the otherhand there's this years crop of angry republicans that are not very far removed from the president of idiocracy.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
The only reason this is occurring in the U.S. due to immigration perhaps?
This is why the immigration push, also helps to tear down borders by removing "identity", unfortunatly people tend to be labled outcases in their societies due to a resurgence and comeback of anti-immigraiton sentiment, which is not what the EU is about.
We do not want the far right wing parties they do no good for our countries, unfortunatly, bombing campaigns have given them the ammo they need :(
The only people that are impacted by a negative growth rate are politicians, CEOs and economists, who see a lack of growth as the end of the world.
Those that constitute the majority now will surely fade out in a few decades. That's guaranteed.
What makes it worse is that there isn't much that current governments can do about it, though the majority of the population doesn't look forward to being the minority.
This confirms one thing: Times ahead will be interesting.
Don't worry!
The entire population of Syria are already on their way to help.
Good. They need to make room for Syrians and other Middle Easterners.
Summary: The middle class and wealthy of most modern countries are selfish and don't want to raise children because this is the me generation.
There are more than enough Syrians being left in to cover up for the shortfall.
We don't actually need more people in Europe though. Giving people a decent standard of living is all that matters, it's just the old-world financial system that demands a constant supply of new people to pay for the upkeep of the non-working population. Making sure these people have a decent quality of life is not as labour intensive as making sure they get a massive pension that they can spend on importing cheap electronics from China.
The migrants will save you!
and how long before the next Hitler comes to stop that?
We have too many humans on this planet already, too much trash and waste. For once we aren't reproducing like a disease. Keep it up europe
Actually, you need far less people today to produce more work than were needed 100 years ago. Many people are just plain useless for today's society. Less people is the opportunity to have less useless people, that is less angry dudes that don't have a clue of what to do with their life. Unemployment will eventually back down. Overall happiness will probably increase.
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Globalization is good for a trans-national currency.
If there is a case for life extension this is it. Seems like such a waste for a person to live ~70 years, about 20 of which they are at their peak.
love is just extroverted narcissism
It's ok not to be competitive and enjoy your life if you have what you need. It's ok if you can't afford to travel all around the globe. It's ok if you can't wear brand name clothes. It's ok if you walk places or use public transportation. I wish there were policy makers that accepted the benefits of being less rich, but still being rich.
..because we've already got too many people on the planet, it would be a nicer place with about, say, half as many.
..but unfortunately, on the other hand, not good, because I'm pretty sure that the people who are out-breeding everyone else, are the ones causing many of the problems on the planet right now, and that's bad.
Life is indeed imitating art, i'm just waiting for that first hit season of "OW, MY BALLS!" to start anytime.
Jackass ran its course several years ago.
Kids are needy, spoiled, and ungrateful money pits. And I can say that from real-world experience because at one time I used to be one.
Nobody wants to have many kids when they know they'll end up paying for everyone elses brats.
Maybe people don't care that much about a region's "economic viability and competitiveness"--maybe there's an instinct among some people to adjust their reproduction rates to match the long-term carrying ability of the land.
Everything doesn't have to be about making money. Smaller populations are ok. The last thing we need is politicians, determined to goose economic numbers, forcing populations up with unrestricted immigration.
Hasn't Japan been dealing with this for a while? Anybody from Europe bother to ask them what isn't working for them?
Do you actually live in Europe? Integration does not work. We have whole suburbs of "insert immigrant nationality" because they don't integrate. Even politicians have to admit that multiculturalism failed. The cultures are just too different and there are far too many at the same time.
Except when it does. If you have a large, secular society that orients more along the lines of politics than race, culture, or religion, than over time immigrants and more importantly the children of immigrants become part of the larger society. Some people are real jerks to outsiders no matter where they are or what culture they join--the idea is over generations to try to get their kids to be more and more accepting of outsiders, to be part of the larger community.
Integration is not an experiment that succeeds or fails. It's life, and people and even entire populations change across as little as fifty years. That explains everybody's racist uncle.
"Natural decrease is a major policy concern because it drains the demographic resilience from a region diminishing its economic viability and competitiveness." What a silly argument, given that productivity and and GDP are still rising rapidly in Europe.
Automation is accelerating with AI finally becoming a real thing. Economic output is rising in absolute terms and on a per-person basis. What this should mean is a rising standard of living. But in the US all the benefits of per capita productivity are going to the "owner class". This is the stuff of revolutions.
As long as there are intelligent, healthy people who are unemployed, the birth rate has not fallen enough.
"He took a duck in the face at 250 knots." -- William Gibson, Pattern Recognition
One of the problems is almost non-existent state support for new families. They do almost nothing for them, and then they say, well, since you're not having children, we need to bring more migrants in.
If you check birth rates of East European countries before 1989, you'll notice that the rates were pretty good back then. Although communism sucked in every imaginable way, one of the good things was that the state had your back when you had children.
Nowadays, if you decide to have children, your family expenses grow a lot and you lose a single monthly income at the same time. That's enough to bring a middle-class family into poverty. Note that in some European countries, you do receive a pittance for a limited time as a substitute for the lost income, but it's still a joke.
Putting the child(ren) into daycare and working is a no-go (at least here) for women, because the new democratic governments closed down all state-run daycares and the private ones are so expensive, it would cost you the whole income for using them.
I'm strongly right-wing, but this is something that needs to change radically. The only other option I see is denying state pension to people that had no children or a single child, because they provided no future tax payers to keep the pension system functioning.
5 or 10 years. Give or take.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Did Netcraft confirm this?
That's okay, because migrants are filling up the void thanks to Merkel!
Never mind that they may not speak English, or their ability to work is vastly reduced, or that 'moderate' Islam isn't so moderate after all or that sexual assault is ingrained into their culture....
Everything's going to okay...
This is the most compelling argument for uploading the mind.
As human society advances, it detaches itself from the bonds of physical inheritance. In the post-modern society, it is not the biological gene that wants to live on. It's the culture, ideas, values, and preferences. The consensus in Europe is that immigration is destroying not the noble European bloodline, but the European values, mentality, and culture. The existential crisis refers not to the meat space but to the marginalization of Western civilization by sheer amount of biological beings.
However, a post-modern culture that propagates not through genes but through memes must face the curse of its own thriving, and the only way out is mind upload. Let the lands Europe be occupied by Allah-worshippers. Little of value is lost. The new Europe will be united in a safe place that exists non-physically, out of the touch of Muslims.
Between the death of Mohammed and the time of the First Crusade, the following happened:
1. The Caliphate invaded and destroyed the Persian Empire. [Much conversion by the sword of Zoroastrians]
2. The Caliphate took control of over 50% of the Byzantine Empire. [Mass conversion by the sword of Christians]
3. The Caliphate conquered the Iberian peninsula and attempted to conquer the Merovingian Empire in modern day France.
4. All throughout that period and well into the Renaissance, Muslim pirates and raiders took huge numbers of slaves from Southern Europe and coastal territories as far as Iceland.
So no, not revenge. Just a series of efforts by the Muslim world to expand rather violently.
And after that period we have the annexation of much of Eastern Europe, Lepanto, Vienna, need I go on? Anyone who goes "oh noes, teh Crusades" about anyone other than the poor Orthodox Greeks is an ignoramus.
Every way, no of course not.
:)
But in some or even many ways
Think of teen pregnancies, single mothers, gun cult & subsequent number of victims, inefficient use of power generated, lack of language skills = problems communicating with or understanding of different cultures, not knowing geography outside of home county, relying on force instead of wits, lots of creationists etc, etc.
And yet, all in all very nice people in a great country with a fantastic, positive and probably unrivalled drive to make tomorrow better than today.
Now we just have to agree on what this 'better' encompasses...
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Hopefully this fad catches on in the USA
Just for the record, citing from recent news: "With 43 million people employed and fewer than 2 million unemployed, according to new data from the national statistics office, Germany’s active workforce is now more robust than it’s been for decades."
Those who cry for more babies are mostly those who'd like to hire more cheaply.
If "responsibility" leads to extinction or submission, I'll take the opposite.
I've been to Europe, mainly Germany, Austria, and Netherlands. I can say first hand the reason there are more deaths than births is because life a lot more over there than just popping out babies, and that is great thing! There was so much to do and see there and life was easy (compared to here in the US) so why not enjoy it instead of just having kids? That's my theory anyway. I'd move back there in a heartbeat if it were possible.
Oh please! Just say it! Cultural purity and political/religious/economic supremacy.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
... receiving alimony payments, and watch spouses line up for impregnation.
You're telling women that conceiving and raising children is undesirable and primitive compared to a boring white collar career. You're telling men that that marriage is allowed to be a farce where the wife is allowed to leave at any time she's not 100% happy while taking cash and prizes (including the house), while preventing the father from ever seeing his kids again. Frequently, the mere accusation of abuse from a woman's mouth will land a man in jail even without a scrap of evidence.
There's way too much legal liability for european and american men to marry these women and/or impregnate them.
Reproduce like rodents eh?
Hmmm......
MM stands for Mighty Mouse
MM stands for Mickey Mouse
MM stands for Mexicans and Muslims.
Rodent theory checks out.
and how long before the next Hitler comes to stop that?
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It'll average out to 1:1 in the long run.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
(remember that the rescue of the Byzantine Empire was the original motivation for the Crusades--the whole thing was ignited by the Byzantine disaster at Manzikert, after all.)
Uh, the crusaders didn't protect Constantinople-- they sacked it.
It was richer, and less well defended, than the Islamic lands that they were nominally aimed at, and they wanted the loot. The crusaders were not the good guys in this portion of history.
If you want to know, why did Constantinople fall to the Moslems? The answer is, it fell because it never really recovered from being sacked by the Fourth crusade.
http://www.historytoday.com/jo...
http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/1204.html
http://www.historynet.com/fourth-crusade-conquest-of-constantinople.htm
The name of the tiny country between Austria and Switzerland is Liechtenstein
There will be no "next Hitler", just like there will be no "next Napoleon". Certainly Hitler was no Napoleon. Napoleon was a military genius but his famous military accomplishments (having lost very few battles despite at times tremendous odds against him) were far shorter lived than his achievement with re-writing and organizing law: the Napoleonic Code lives on today in many guises because it makes sense. Hitler was an appalling strategist, an amateur tactician at best (who got lucky a very few times), a ruthless and reckless politician who however managed to motivate a demotivated people through his obsession with national spirit and national identity - crucial for a broken people who had lost everything through a devastating war, revolt and punitive blockade and reparations.
Of course there can always be someone worse than Hitler in the future. But the times are different and the solution will therefore be different.
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that's right folks........
What we need is the moderate middle ground between unlimited exponential growth of population, and catastrophically shrinkage of population. In the long term, we'll have to reach a level of birth rate equaling the replacement rate. The two questions are, what is that level, and how can we reach that rate without economic disruptions.
Population growth and reduction (in this case) is NOT the issue. The issue is that economies have been created and will only work based on population (and subsequent sales) growth; this is why immigration is often "used" to keep a countries population growing. As soon as sales reduce the model falls over. A re-think of the way global economies operate is what is needed.
It'll end up over here not over there this time I gather.
Usage of the term "whipper-snapper" is at an ever increasing up-trend.
the one that doesn't believe in killing and raping the infidels is better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
the one that believes in not killing homo sexuals is better.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/...
...on Friday's Republican campaign event, showing videos of Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal and Mike Huckabee engaging in question-and-answer sessions with extremist pastor Kevin Swanson, who then went on to say that he would smear cow dung over his body to protest a gay couple's wedding and urged the government to execute gays in the future if they don't repent.
the one that believes woman are equal to men is better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
That last one is a longer read.
But it includes such gems as "legitimate rape", sexual assaults in the military excused as "hormone level created by nature" and last but not least - rape as god's will.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I will say that EU immigration is somewhat more difficult only because I don't speak the native language [....] But I don't know how one would go about fixing it.
Try learning to speak the native language.
They were flexible enough to let you in; be flexible enough to learn to fit in.
In other words, quit trying to fix *them* to suit you, and instead fix *you* to suit them.
... instead of allowing young couples to have kids. Nope, the system is set up that young folks can't afford kids and postpones them as long as they can. How about some REAL incentives?
And don't come back.
We keep having the topic of sexism and misogyny, where strong denial of any existence in the tech community usually meets strong expressions of the above.
And now we have clear racist attitudes towards supposed "Muslims invaders" with higher birthrates somehow "extinguishing" local culture.
Let me get to some facts: 3.8% of the EU population is currently Muslim. Yet as of 2012, Hispanics and Latinos make up about 17% of the total U.S. population. At the current rate, using these arguments, US "superior" culture will be replaced by Hispanic culture long, long before anything changes in Europe. You guys are going to speak Spanish soon. Or not?
Who cares anyways? There is no EU culture anymore anyways. It has been replaced by US culture through massive cultural imperialism. Europe watches US produced TV and US produced movies, listens to US produced music, consumes media and communicates via Android or iOS (or maybe Microsoft), socializes on Facebook and does everything else on Google. Have I missed anything? All relevant culture in Europe is American. Muslims aren't any different. They love their US stuff as well.
But talking about this stuff is boring. Racist alarmism is much more fun.
here in America who believe in all of that. They're mostly white male Christians living in Texas and the American South.
The "culture" your referring to is mostly a byproduct of America meddling in Middle Eastern politics to prevent the spread of socialism. Iran was a secular nation until we decided we didn't like their democratically elected gov't and helped eject them. There are pictures of girls in skirts from the 50s before we stuck our nose in. Iraq was, for all of Saddam's faults, going the same route and Modernizing.
If you going to say their religion lets them do bad things that's true of Christianity in spades. Whatever horrible thing I might want to do to you today there's a line in the bible that lets me do it. Hell, you don't even need to be an Infidel. Oh, and I'll remind you that Christians are not, in fact, infidels. Atheists and pagans are.
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There are some people dying who have never died before.
Someone's got to do something about it!
The decline of native Europeans is being more than made up for by the migration of middle easterners. Nothing to worry about here.
and how long before the next Hitler comes to stop that?
I dunno about any other country, but here in the U.S., our 'Hitler' goes by the name of 'Donald Trump'.
DO NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP!
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is moving in droves there in the guise of "escaping" the middle east? Their BIRTH rates have exploded (no pun intended). It's easier to take over a geographic area, by overpopulating it with a group of outsiders. Then, come election time, they have the majority.
Thank you smart mature responsible homosexuals for leaving all of those natural resources for us religious dummy heterosexual's children. You are surely the geniuses in this situation.
about Europe?
This is not a fuckin problem. Western world is moving from 18-20 year generations to 30 year generations. Figure out what that means.
The idea that under-population is some critical problem is ridiculous. I guess people will believe anything.
So who else is going to put an end to Invasion USA (apologies to Chuck Norris)? As soon as a candidate steps up that says they're going to enforce immigration laws, stop the immigration train wreck, stop the bullshit foreign wars and meddling, stop the free shit parade, and bring justice against the bankers, they'll get nearly every sane person's vote.
Except of course for the deluded twits who think it's "rayciss" to enforce immigration laws and knee-jerkedly brand that person "nazi" or "hitler", which sadly there seems to be a large horde of these days.
In US history and likely in Europe too the first generation stays relatively isolated, the second is about half and half and the third is fully integrated.
I hate to say it, but there is a lot of Islamiphobia on here.
So you are saying there won't be a final solution?
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
If "responsibility" leads to extinction or submission, I'll take the opposite.
Well it doesn't so you don't have to worry. 'Responsibility' is very closely tied to 'Sustainability' as concepts.
The next Hitler is already here, but he is many.
turning into Arab shit holes : ( IMO many of the comments insinuating the net result will be a higher standard of living for real Europeans are quite naive. You guys dont owe these people anything, in fact, history would suggest you adopt a very very defensive stance.
Extreme-right wing groups have been on the rise recently in various European countries. In recent polls and elections, some of these groups have scored 25% or more of the votes. A worrying prospect, because these groups are a bunch of undemocratic nutjobs with no political agenda beyond 'no more immigrants'.
And you actually think Trump is going to do that eh? I can't recall any President that even remotely did what they said they will do while Campaigning. Well, except for giving kickbacks to their rich buddies.
Use your Brain, a real leader can't be Democrat OR Republican.
the one that doesn't believe in killing and raping the infidels is better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.
We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers.
We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
the one that believes in not killing homo sexuals is better.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/...
...on Friday's Republican campaign event, showing videos of Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal and Mike Huckabee engaging in question-and-answer sessions with extremist pastor Kevin Swanson, who then went on to say that he would smear cow dung over his body to protest a gay couple's wedding and urged the government to execute gays in the future if they don't repent.
the one that believes woman are equal to men is better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
That last one is a longer read.
But it includes such gems as "legitimate rape", sexual assaults in the military excused as "hormone level created by nature" and last but not least - rape as god's will.
P.S. Dear, right-wing, moderators... we can play this game of you trying to ignore facts while calling pointing out such facts trolling until you run out of mod points or I run out of copy/paste.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I'm European !
The final solution happens when the last living thing dies on this planet.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
GERMAN POLICE COVERING UP RAPES SO AS ‘NOT TO LEGITIMIZE CRITICS OF MASS MIGRATION’
http://politics.slashdot.org/story/16/01/14/2032213/more-people-in-europe-are-dying-than-are-being-born
Please go tell all the people being killed, and raped, to just be patient.
What makes you think radical Islam will not take over? If you knew the history of Islam, you would know what is going on.
Clinton is a square shooter. Clinton 2016!
Maybe just me, but that reads as "BROWN SKINS AGAIN AT THE GATES OF VIENNA!!"
Contraception is paid by universal healthcare, the day after pill is sold over the counter and here in Europe we don't defund planned parenthood and we don't have Christian terrorists attacking abortion clinics.
Also our Teenagers are actually taught in school how children are made and how to prevent it.
The wish to have kids is just hormonal imbalance, your genes wants you to take on a 21 year long unpaid job to replicate itself.
No thank you, I'm good.
Darnit, I thought we finally had that infestation under control.
It could be next Hitler, but it could also be Putin. Even though invasion by Russia would be disaster and Russia is very corrupted country, with serious human right issues, social problems etc, the longer the Muslim mass movement continues, the larger and larger percentage of population will probably start see even invasion by Russia better option than European countries turning in Muslim countries. I cannot understand why Merkel and some other leading politicians are continuing this social experiment with open doors policy to mass movement, that will turn European countries into ruins -- and not just their own countries.
This article reads that we must procreate to preserve economic viability and competitiveness.
"My dear, it is time to tell you the truth. The reason you were born is not because daddy loves mummy but because we want our nation to stay competitive and economically viable. Love, your economically stable parents & your government"
Well, I've got to get back to work. When I stop rowing, the slave ship just goes in circles.
Mussolini is actually a much better comparison to Trump.
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
The EU birthrate has been below replacement rate for at least 10 years, if not twice that.
The usual suspects:
1. Birth control
2. The cost of raising children.
The unmentioned one: overpopulation. (I mean, you want to raise too many kids, like those sickos the Duggars? Fine... then don't come crying to me about the cost of housing, the cost of food (all the local farms forced out by developers building overpriced crap), and that you can't find a parking space.
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Let's put it this way: I don't want to take any chances, so let's not elect Trump, ok?
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We we're told not to have too many children. Now we are being supplemented or replaced by muslims. Indigenous people have and will take right to their territory no matter what train of thought you adhere to. This means war. Generations of indigenous or aboriginal northern european peoples will fight for their territory and freedom.
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-- Achmed, the Dead Terrorist
"Of course there can always be someone worse than Hitler "
Hey, I thought that was Bush!
Much of the developed world falls into that category. Most of these countries maintain or grow populations through immigration.
...
Of course there can always be someone worse than Hitler in the future. But the times are different and the solution will therefore be different.
"Of course there can always be someone worse than Hitler in the future. But the times are different and the solution will therefore be different."
Ted Cruz comes to mind....
Important things to keep in mind:
1. The birth rates of all ethnic groups drop in Europe or anywhere with a high standard of living. Increase health, income and education and people start having fewer kids and they will become less religious. This is a fact that has been researched to death.
2. Europeans are not going to die off. There are more people with European backgrounds than any other ethnicity in the world. There are a billion people in the Americas and they all have some level of European genetics and half of them have only European genetics.
3. You could take every human in North Africa and the middle east and dump them into Europe and white Europeans still would not disappear. There are more Europeans in Europe than there are Arabs/Berbers in the other regions.
4. Arabs, Berbers, Pashtuns, Egyptians, Jews and Turks all have quantifiable levels of European genetics from ancient migrations (Greeks, Romans, Alans, Visigoths, white slave trade etc). Ever wonder why some have blue eyes? Turks in particular.
This is not an issue. Europeans already won the demographic game 300 years ago. All Europe needs to do is keep cracking down on radicalization and to do that they need to focus on reducing the income wealth disparities between native Europeans and their muslim neighbors. For reference American Muslims have the same levels of wealth and education as their non Muslims counterparts and as a result Muslims Americans have much lower rates of radicalization than European Muslims.
Napoleon was a military genius but his famous military accomplishments (having lost very few battles despite at times tremendous odds against him)
Napoleon's skills are greatly overrated.
His disasters (such as the campaign in Spain, in Russia, and Waterloo) were so awful they outweigh the victories in any rational assessment.
He didn't have the skills needed to beat good infantry under good officers, such as the British at Waterloo or in Spain. He didn't stay on top of battles or campaigns when fighting determined opponents. His logistical skills sucked, as demonstrated by the campaign in Russia.
Basically his victories were won against people that weren't very good, with poor training, equipment, and morale. In fact, they were so bad it didn't matter that they had more troops. Not exactly a situation that requires genius.
While some economists say population growth with proportionate economic growth is needed for most countries', population growth will be a curse in a future where AI controlled machines will drastically reduce the work required of, and available to, people.
government run health care tends to diagnose things late
Men and women are equal although different. It doesn't matter who you fuck or fall in love with as long as they are adults and it's consensual. Different races are equal although different. Cultures are different, some are successful and some aren't. Success is measured in the quality of life (happiness is a good indicator) and in scientific progres. Organisation of production and distribution of wealth. Medical advance. Space exploration. Health of the planet.
Freedom od thought is impirtant for advancement and a sense of wrll being. Religion iz tricky. Many religious doctrines are counter productive to above.mentioned values. In fact they are often based on dogma rather than facts.
If a crew member of your space ship.believes that thete is an entity that can read everyones mind and tells them to do or not do things based on some old rag of a book countering your or the brief you have a problem.
At this point in time religion, obsolete folllore, history (revenge) all kinds of isms are fucking up what went reasonably well, destro'ying capital, etc. Counter productive cultures are not equal but a danger to the planet as a whole and to the development of the species. At some point, as on a mutinous ship some very tough decisions will need to be made.
It is of the utmost im'"portance to further develop a morality that supports above mentioned values. Deities, racial prejudices, historical folklore based on revenge etc have no place in a global society that is on the brink of space exploration and saving the planet. Nuke the crazy muteneers if necessary and take charge of the planet and our future.
Didn't Stalin achieve twice the body count of Hitler, plus new strategic lebensraum from Soviet Russia's western neighbors?
Didn't Mao's communist party achieve four times the body count of Hitler, plus massive new strategic lebensraum from China's western neighbors?
As a bonus win neither of those empires have had to show any semblance of remorse over their murderous expansionism, on the contrary their pride in empire-building remains at the core of their nationalistic ideologies.
Hitler was truly evil, but playing him up while ignoring the other two dictatorships may lead to further unfortunate repercussions in the future as the latter two empires keep resorting to militarism since it obviously works for them. They couldn't be happier to see the West so totally preoccupied with islamic extremism.
As an exercise, try to figure out which of the following quotes come from German Nazis, and which ones come from Bernie Sanders:
“A nation will not survive morally or economically when so few have so much while so many have so little. We need a tax system which asks the wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes and which reduces the obscene degree of wealth inequality.”
"I am an enemy of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance"
"We should work for the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, nationalization of corporations that have grown too large, and favoring small firms in public contracts."
“Meanwhile, as the rich become much richer, the level of income and wealth inequality has reached obscene and unimaginable levels.
"Government out to be responsible for fundamentally changing our education system, in order to enable every capable and hard working citizen to obtain higher education and a good job"
Our "Hitler" goes by the name of "Bernie Sanders".
history shows you are just whistling dixie, of course their will be another Hitler (dictator of conquest using genocide/scapegoat of minority). We've already had several Hitler types after WW II, too bad you missed them, at least two are operating right now
Your newly redefined cry of 'RACIST!!!!' depends on a mishmash of cultural and moral relativity that I don't subscribe to. Some cultures are better than others, despite the wishes of you and your huffpo buddy. You can tell this by how people vote with their feet. Hell, why don't you tell me a list of countries you'd like to live in, or could possibly tolerate. Then maybe we can discuss what kind of culture dominates in those countries.
While you consider that, I'll give you a few quotes in this area (in retaliation for that huffpo article):
At some point someone just has to tell these kids the truth: some civilizations are better than others. But that has nothing to do with you. You are not inexorably linked to your ancestors. You can appropriate all the good insights anywhere you find them. To deny yourself goodness, truth, and beauty wherever it is, you wind up diminishing your own dignity, treating yourself as if you were no more than your color or your genes.
- Anonymous
And this one from Thomas Sowell:
These and other dramatic and heartening rises of whole peoples came from doing things that were often directly the opposite of what is being urged upon less fortunate groups in the United States today. Far from painting themselves into their own little cultural corner and celebrating their "identity," these peoples sought the knowledge and insights of other peoples more advanced than themselves in particular skills, technologies, or organizational experience. It took centuries for the English to absorb the cultural advances brought by such conquerors as the Romans and the Normans and by such immigrants as the Huguenots, Germans, Jews, and others who played a major role in developing the British economy. Their early dependence on outsiders was painfully demonstrated when the Romans pulled out of Britain in the fifth century, in order to go defend their threatened empire on the continent, and the British economy and political structure both collapsed. Yet ultimately--more than a thousand years later--the British rose to lead the world into the industrial revolution and controlled an empire containing one-fourth of the land area of the earth and one-fourth of the human race.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.